My Name is George Hammond

Fuck the ex-colonizers.
Let's help industrialize Africa and India.
The untapped potential of these regions could be more then enough to ward off the Goald. The continent of Africa could give birth to many powerhouse nations as well as house a population of a couple billion. On the other hand India already has millions and it's trending to billions in the future. The problem is adequate tools at the nation's disposal which industrialization could solve. Just set up some clean nuclear reactors and engineering programs to train/ manage personnel and then we'll zoom.
Problem with that is that Earth will grow a lot more divided. Of we have multiple Superpowers, then each will have their own spheres of indluence.

Also, NATO may not exist anymore, but I'd be hesitant to essentially flip off some of our most powerful allies in GB and France. But can also someone please tell me why NATO popped so quickly? Shouldn't they have refocused on other threats like a potential red China with hundreds of millions and potential billions people?
 
No idea. Honestly, I'm more confused as to why "low rolls" for the USSR meant a relatively peaceful reform movement instead of a multi sided civil war. Or at least major secessionist movements.
 
[X] Return to Nellani
-[X] [CA] Normal - Regular operation conditions with three offworld missions
-[X] Sunchasers: Cartouche Mission NR8-D6O
-[X] Snake Charmers: Fireteam Support
-[X] Fourth Interplanetary: Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
-[X] "Zig Zag" Research Division: Study Site on Retirement Fund
-[X] SG2: Deep Recon Retirement Fund
-[X] SG1 + "Rainbow Bridge" Research Division: Study Site on Nellani
-[X] Guardian Angels: Establish Offworld Outpost on Nellani
-[X] SG4: Diplomatic Engagement on Nellani
-[X] SG3: Deep Recon Nellani
-[X] Relative Space: Study Alien Technology
-[X] Unknown Element Research Division: Jaffa Equipment
-[X] Request manpower - Companies 1 [Garrison on Retirement Fund]
-[X] Request manpower - squads 2
-[X] Have more experts read in [Pressure]
-[X] Have more experts read in [Steam]

Carter gets to investigate Nellani with the support of her entire research division
SG4 is sent on a diplomatic mission to the other advanced group to offer a similar deal as we offered Andana.
Retirement Fund gets an outpost and a science team to search the ruins
Both of those words get a squad on deep recon
Requesting 2 new squads there were more places I wanted to send them so getting more will be useful and at only 4 men each it is only a small expansion of the program.
As each team has a random bonus this will also give us more flexability
A full company for Retirement fund as we plan to mine it long term.
And finally two new research teams
 
Out of everything we could get the 100 on, I think this is the best options(I really like this world, it just keeps giving us good stuff)

[X] Plan Consolidating Gains
-[X] [CA] Normal - Regular operation conditions with three offworld missions
-[X] Sunchasers: Cartouche Mission NR8-D6O
-[X] Snake Charmers : Fireteam Support
-[X] Guardian Angels : Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
-[X] Fourth Interplanetary : Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
-[X] SG-1 : Study Site on Andana
-[X] SG-2 : Deep Recon on Andana
-[X] SG-3 : Deep Recon on Retirement Fund
-[X] SG-4 : Cartouche Mission NR8-D6O
-[X] Unknown Element: Study Alien Technology
-[X] Rainbow Bridge: Study Site on Andana
-[X] Relative Space: Secrets of Zeus
-[X] Zig Zag: Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
-[X] Request manpower - Companies 1 [Garrison on Retirement Fund]

So this plan is mostly us using what we found last turn.
I sent our best recon/diplo team to explore a new world
For Retirement Fund, the base is for us to start mining, SG-3 is good at dangerous terrain recon, and I figured the guy who cant crit fail would be a good choice on a dangerous world like this, also I ordered a company to protect this world
I sent some right people to study to Goa'uld site, I think Sam's ability should let us understand it better

@Powerofmind I wasn't sure if i picked the right study option for the Goa'uld on Andana, and to make sure, the outpost will let us mine and research on retirement fund? Also, since it was announced that the mountain has a huge store of rare metals, the President wont mind us basically claiming a resource world


too many different world, your going to 7 different world
Your choice and style of study site approach works just fine. You're all clear.

And yes, Truman helped fabricate a rather bold lie about the 'basically limitless supply of rare earths', it's how he's justifying having so much raw material sent down.
Problem with that is that Earth will grow a lot more divided. Of we have multiple Superpowers, then each will have their own spheres of indluence.

Also, NATO may not exist anymore, but I'd be hesitant to essentially flip off some of our most powerful allies in GB and France. But can also someone please tell me why NATO popped so quickly? Shouldn't they have refocused on other threats like a potential red China with hundreds of millions and potential billions people?
It might grow more divided, or, without the rampant idiot-balling of the KGB and CIA deliberately causing tension to rise, people might be more willing to extend some trust to one another, at least on the surface.

Nobody's actually worried about China as a long term aggressive threat. For the most part they're isolationist and have no current access to nuclear weapons (and, should they try, no supporting soviet umbrella to protect them from aggressive containment). People are still reeling from the last Great War, and now that there's no hugely antagonistic entity to make them think a third is coming, they're less worried about such massive preventative alliances.

As a note, several smaller treaties promising mutual defense in the event of war still exist, but they're of smaller scope than the nebulous soviet menace. Hammond would not be directly interested in it, but there is also still a significant desire for a supranational organization like the UN to form and ensure that, while people might not all agree on the means of governing, they will all arguably agree that government should NOT be done in specific ways.
No idea. Honestly, I'm more confused as to why "low rolls" for the USSR meant a relatively peaceful reform movement instead of a multi sided civil war. Or at least major secessionist movements.
A cripplingly bad roll saw Stalin popped, despite doing a SECOND roll to prevent it, and another roll to retain the Soviet OTL course. From there most of the 'member republics' saw a chance to break away from an overlord that had been increasingly brutal, and the new Russian leadership were perfectly happy to not have the issue of dealing with angry client states that weren't necessarily even loyal Russians to begin with.

At the end of the mess, they'd all mostly decided they liked a lot of the basic socialist policies, and made loose agreements that they would protect each other if other countries decided they still wanted to force a conformation with a capitalist or fascist model of government. I had to extrapolate quite a bit from just a few rolls, but I thought it was an interesting shift, considering what the first few dice saddled me with.
 
A cripplingly bad roll saw Stalin popped, despite doing a SECOND roll to prevent it, and another roll to retain the Soviet OTL course. From there most of the 'member republics' saw a chance to break away from an overlord that had been increasingly brutal, and the new Russian leadership were perfectly happy to not have the issue of dealing with angry client states that weren't necessarily even loyal Russians to begin with.

At the end of the mess, they'd all mostly decided they liked a lot of the basic socialist policies, and made loose agreements that they would protect each other if other countries decided they still wanted to force a conformation with a capitalist or fascist model of government. I had to extrapolate quite a bit from just a few rolls, but I thought it was an interesting shift, considering what the first few dice saddled me with.
I mean, I guess that's possible if very anomalously peaceful.* But, frankly, its been a month. Its far too early for everything to have shaken out into the new status quo and its especially too early for "the west" to be convinced that the reformists will actually last, much less come through on their promises. We'd be at the "moderates formed a provisional government last week and everything hasn't exploded yet" stage.

*The Russians actually being willing to give up major parts of their territory peacefully is the weirdest part. Nations very rarely do that.
 
I mean, I guess that's possible if very anomalously peaceful.* But, frankly, its been a month. Its far too early for everything to have shaken out into the new status quo and its especially too early for "the west" to be convinced that the reformists will actually last, much less come through on their promises. We'd be at the "moderates formed a provisional government last week and everything hasn't exploded yet" stage.

*The Russians actually being willing to give up major parts of their territory peacefully is the weirdest part. Nations very rarely do that.
Basically, things fell to pieces so quickly and publicly at Moscow that by the time the moderates could get the dust to settle, most of their client states went through cascading secessions. They couldn't really even start committing energy to pull some back in without the rest of the states that broke away ganging up on them out of the fear they'd be gobbled back up next, or petitioning the west for direct intervention, which they would not be able to handle. About their only good roll was in how their new administration handled the breakaways, by setting up a series of defensive promises and guarantees that, outwardly, would not look TOO much different from the big red blob as it was before, sans most of Asia, and would also be more diplomatically palatable to the west.

Naturally, the only country that absolutely refused all such promises was Poland.
 
I'm just glad the change happened, otherwise we might be looking at less funding. After all, who needs all that money thrown into a weird secret project to travel millions of miles, when you need money to fight at home.
Seriously, we basically lucked into a more peaceful world
 
Assuming the USDR can keep it together. They're probably going to be having "reactionary countercoup y/n?" rolls for the next 6 months at a minimum.

...side note, but how did the Social Democrats sweep congress? Its way too late in the election cycle for the candidates to change. Did they somehow have a massive write in campaign or something?
 
Assuming the USDR can keep it together. They're probably going to be having "reactionary countercoup y/n?" rolls for the next 6 months at a minimum.

...side note, but how did the Social Democrats sweep congress? Its way too late in the election cycle for the candidates to change. Did they somehow have a massive write in campaign or something?
The social dems were already gaining ground thanks to the project's prior contributions, but with some of the Soviet stuff cropping up in the beginning of the month, the Republicans' 'protect us from the reds' platform fell flat on it's face DAYS before the ballot boxes opened. It's hard to take a threat seriously when their own cloak and dagger people literally shoot their own head of state in the head.
 
The social dems were already gaining ground thanks to the project's prior contributions, but with some of the Soviet stuff cropping up in the beginning of the month, the Republicans' 'protect us from the reds' platform fell flat on it's face DAYS before the ballot boxes opened. It's hard to take a threat seriously when their own cloak and dagger people literally shoot their own head of state in the head.
I mean, the problem with that is that the social dems gaining ground in September doesn't matter much if all of the primaries were done by June or July. We just didn't start early enough for Social Democrats to win the 1950 election when the PoD is in September, because the internal party fights and final candidate slates are done by then.
 
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I mean, the problem with that is that the social dems gaining ground in September doesn't matter much if all of the primaries were done by June or July. We just didn't start early enough for Social Democrats to win the 1950 election when the PoD is in September, because the internal party fights and final candidate slates are done by then.
The discovery of the gate prompted some major technological advances that I refused to ignore because the entire point of starting this early in OTL is to see the butterflies fly free. Social dems and progressive elements saw more popularity in the primary because it was harder to deny that those advances didn't provide profit to the government, or dramatically improve the lives of the average American. With two major planks of the republican platform straight up vanished overnight right before the voting commences, they saw landslide defeats in swing states and even several narrow losses in red states.

Moderate dems have gained seats, too (primarily in the red states where they're more palatable), but they'll tend to vote with their progressive colleagues that primaried well in the blue states and some of the swing states. For now, they'll let the Fair Deal progress as far as they feel safe doing, but frankly it's probably further than we are today in terms of overall impact on social welfare, so how far that is is up for debate.
 
The social dems were already gaining ground thanks to the project's prior contributions, but with some of the Soviet stuff cropping up in the beginning of the month, the Republicans' 'protect us from the reds' platform fell flat on it's face DAYS before the ballot boxes opened. It's hard to take a threat seriously when their own cloak and dagger people literally shoot their own head of state in the head.
You do know that for a American, those are the same as communism especially at that time? It's like how you talked about Europe uniting into a single nation from the perspective of an American.
 
You do know that for a American, those are the same as communism especially at that time? It's like how you talked about Europe uniting into a single nation from the perspective of an American.
The trouble is, that you yourself are right now talking out of the Real Life Second Red Scare Zeitgeist that truly got going only in OTL 1955. We can thank Stalin and the GOP for it. And this Zeitgeist just died in the crib ITL, getting poisoned, stabbed, strangled and head loped off. Multiple things killed it: things like the economy doing immensivelly better and Stalin dying at the same time.
@Powerofmind
How is Senator McCarthy's life going currently? He is probably looking rather silly right now?
 
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The trouble is, that you yourself are right now talking out of the Real Life Second Red Scare Zeitgeist that truly got going only in OTL 1955. We can thank Stalin and the GOP for it. And this Zeitgeist just died in the crib ITL, getting poisoned, stabbed, strangled and head loped off. Multiple things killed it: things like the economy doing immensivelly better and Stalin dying at the same time.
@Powerofmind
How is Senator McCarthy's life going currently? He is probably looking rather silly right now?
McCarthy's career would need a sarcophagus to revive it, at this point. He's still got 2 years in his seat, but he's pretty much the laughingstock of D.C., and the embarrassment of Wisconsin. The insidious Red Menace literally blew up in his face, and one high profile member of Truman's staff retorted to an accusation of communist sympathies with, "Even the soviets didn't like communism, why would I?" The retort made headlines in several major papers that saw a chance to lampoon him.

The dichotomy of the staff member's statement and his socialist leanings has led to some confusion over the actual difference between a socialist and a communist, which is expected to become a hot topic of debate for a little while and might see some news coverage.
 
Now, to the accusations that this turn was not politically realistic? The last 5 years of RL US politics convinced me that anything can become realistic.
 
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This is going to really radically shift the developing geostrategic state of the world

On the one hand we're talking about a Europe barely five years removed from World War 2, so very much in recovery phase with damaged demographics. The Marshall plan was only enacted in 1948, and is probably being cut short prior to its original 2 years with no followup replacement.

Keep in mind as well that the US had a vested interest in propping up Europe to prevent it from falling to communism and to form a cohesive block to oppose them. The US prompted free trade and other supportive policies that helped European, and other allied states, to recover.

With the impetetus for that breaking down, and it only being in operation for a bare handful of years, we're likely see trade patterns much like Pre World War 2 and the chances of the globalization movement, and the export your way to affluence a lot of countries use to proper will never happen or at least not in the same way.

The best way to sort to frame things is that is that around 1950 the US is HALF the world's GDP, it's hard to find chart date that goes back that early but by 1960 it's 40%, and by 2020 that fell to under 20%.

A US not engaged in the cold war would absent offworld resources and technologies will tend to have a larger % of the World GDP than our timeline owing to not contributing a considerable part of its GDP in the Cold War Arms race, War Ravaged Europe taking longer to recover and not recovering its share for a longer period.

Offworld Resources and technologies means the US will have first mover advantages in a ton of new markets and will likely dominate the coming world even harder than before.

Due to the scope of the quest we're not likely to have direct influence on what the US does abroad, so it will be interested to see how matters develop.
 
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Now, to the accusations that this turn was not politically realistic? The last 5 years of RL US politics convinced me that anything can become realistic.
This is going to really radically shift the developing geostrategic state of the world

On the one hand we're talking about a Europe barely five years removed from World War 2, so very much in recovery phase with damaged demographics. The Marshall plan was only enacted in 1948, and is probably being cut short prior to its original 2 years with no followup replacement.

Keep in mind as well that the US had a vested interest in propping up Europe to prevent it from falling to communism and to form a cohesive block to oppose them. The US prompted free trade and other supportive policies that helped European, and other allied states, to recover.

With the impetetus for that breaking down, and it only being in operation for a bare handful of years, we're likely see trade patterns much like Pre World War 2 and the chances of the globalization movement, and the export your way to affluence a lot of countries use to proper will never happen or at least not in the same way.

The best way to sort to frame things is that is that around 1950 the US is HALF the world's GDP, it's hard to find chart date that goes back that early but by 1960 it's 40%, and by 2020 that fell to under 20%.

A US not engaged in the cold war would absent offworld resources and technologies will tend to have a larger % of the World GDP than our timeline owing to not contributing a considerable part of its GDP in the Cold War Arms race, War Ravaged Europe taking longer to recover and not recovering its share for a longer period.

Offworld Resources and technologies means the US will have first mover advantages in a ton of new markets and will likely dominate the coming world even harder than before.

Due to the scope of the quest we're not likely to have direct influence on what the US does abroad, so it will be interested to see how matters develop.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say too, but I see I got ninja'd. Without things like NATO, things will be like pre-WW2.

Also, what is the justification for East Germany existing right now? If I remember my history lessons right, there should still be a updated plan for the steps to re-unification, since the Soviets now just seem to have a social market economy, which is the same that West Germany has, so I don't really see a reason for East Germany to still exist besides Ulbricht holding onto power (and also Stalinism probably).
 
Interesting quest, watched. I've always liked me some Stargate.

I'm not sure how the sudden political turmoil will turn out for us. Might make our black project status harder to hide, meaning fewer resources.
 
Last week, rumors of yet another round of leadership purges in Soviet Russia culminated in the sudden assassination of Joseph Stalin by elements of the KGB, with the backing of multiple moderate voices in Soviet politics and international relations. The USSR as a faction is in total disarray, as the loss of their central figurehead and the growing voice of a moderate movement have all but shattered the fragile unity of the bloc. Many European and near east countries are flocking to the recently-renamed Soviet Social Democratic Union, led by more moderate Russian elements, while the far east and Asian elements of the USSR are rallying around the People's Republic of China, which appears to be the spiritual successor to the USSR, albeit much more inwardly focused. Already, leaders are praising the strength and bravery of the leaders of the SSDU for their incredibly dangerous coup, as multiple NATO powers and the US have pledged to aid them in ensuring a peaceful transition to a more peaceful power, even as the wary eye of the modern world shifts to the Chinese, who are desperately scrabbling for anything they can get of the former Soviet nuclear program.
Well, I'm not going to say you were solely the ones that caused all this. The USSR got some very unfortunate quiet rolls, despite me giving large bonuses to keep OTL on the rails. I guess they're social democrats now.
Honestly, I found it probably less surprising than I should have...
After all, they had that alien computer which shown we are not alone in the universe, and probably were at least tangentially aware of what was found at giza, at least because, if I am correct, they managed to get that somewhere between the first foray through it and the current timeline since we needed to figure out how to use the gate, when it was used 25 years ago. Which, well, for those with the clearance, like the KGB, changes things.
 
Honestly, I found it probably less surprising than I should have...
After all, they had that alien computer which shown we are not alone in the universe, and probably were at least tangentially aware of what was found at giza, at least because, if I am correct, they managed to get that somewhere between the first foray through it and the current timeline since we needed to figure out how to use the gate, when it was used 25 years ago. Which, well, for those with the clearance, like the KGB, changes things.
AKA: We cannot do WW3 that destroys Earth's civilization. Because then a random Goa'uld explorer will mop up the survivors.
 
Honestly, I found it probably less surprising than I should have...
After all, they had that alien computer which shown we are not alone in the universe, and probably were at least tangentially aware of what was found at giza, at least because, if I am correct, they managed to get that somewhere between the first foray through it and the current timeline since we needed to figure out how to use the gate, when it was used 25 years ago. Which, well, for those with the clearance, like the KGB, changes things.
Part of it was Stalin's paranoia at alien involvement ratcheting his sociopathic behavior up to 15. He pressured his people hard with practically Orwellian surveillance policies, seeing secret aliens behind every corner and suspecting every one of his political rivals of having some other alien artifact that might be more practically useful than his. Recording techniques derived from DHD data storage were perhaps months from turning Moscow into a panopticon of cameras and audio recording, all slated to pass Stalin's desk personally, and those of his most fanatical followers.

The last attempted purge was simply the last straw, as every competent person in the city could see the writing on the wall, and so did the highest authorities in the KGB.

The DHD had a pretty notable effect on their initial policy efforts, when the new top leadership found out about it.
 
Oh so because Stalin learned that aliens exist and we have one of the artifacts from them he went insane then in the OTL where it was get rid of the incompetent and those that question communism
 
Oh so because Stalin learned that aliens exist and we have one of the artifacts from them he went insane then in the OTL where it was get rid of the incompetent and those that question communism
Except also extreme paranoia of infiltrators( which is actually somewhat justified considering what we are dealing with), which well...
Likely meant only the most fanatical is somewhat safe...
 
The last attempted purge was simply the last straw, as every competent person in the city could see the writing on the wall, and so did the highest authorities in the KGB.
I'm surprised that the KGB was involved, seeing as how it was only founded in 1954, after Stalin's death and Beria being purged. Clearly some sort of time-travel shenanigans are at work. :p
 
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