My Name is George Hammond

That's what I'll go with. I had to do a lot of historical reading to get this even remotely close to right, I beg forgiveness for not realizing it took the Russians 5 years to catch up to the US in spook agencies.
Kiiinda the opposite. Specifically, the KGB was a reduced intelligence agency from the ones that came before, divested of many powers that were spun into separate agencies, because after Stalin's death no-one wanted an all-powerful intelligence agency with secret police powers under a single person's control. (timeline)

But I suppose that part of the point of having incredibly large divergences from history right at the start is to limit how much history diving you need. Either way, not a big deal as it's just a bit of alphabet soup, and I was more amused at the mental image of time-travel shenanigans.
 
Kiiinda the opposite. Specifically, the KGB was a reduced intelligence agency from the ones that came before, divested of many powers that were spun into separate agencies, because after Stalin's death no-one wanted an all-powerful intelligence agency with secret police powers under a single person's control. (timeline)

But I suppose that part of the point of having incredibly large divergences from history right at the start is to limit how much history diving you need. Either way, not a big deal as it's just a bit of alphabet soup, and I was more amused at the mental image of time-travel shenanigans.
Ah, well that's actually even better. Such an organization would have even more inside knowledge of their boss and the insanity he'd recently been up to, and would be well aware he's been having his loyalists watched nearly as closely as his enemies. Shame I didn't know the original agency soup letters.

I am still considering shenanigans. You guys are using a junker DHD, even compared to canon's Earth device. I've been making rolls, but it's with a kludged together d10000, so it's not hard to be fortunate on that front.
 
Hmm. I wonder if we could set up a site somewhere and steal a DHD. We'd have to transport a power source and kludged computer, ofc, but still.
 
Steal a DHD from one of the gates that have a dead world on that end?

Though man, there are a lot of addresses that are gonna be nasty for a 1950s SGC to deal with, considering the lack of a MALP to send through first.
 
Steal a DHD from one of the gates that have a dead world on that end?

Though man, there are a lot of addresses that are gonna be nasty for a 1950s SGC to deal with, considering the lack of a MALP to send through first.
The lack of MALP is quite difficult to work with, especially on the chance you call an instant-death world, or a world that attacks anything coming through the gate on principle. You have, fortunately, never generated such a world on exploration yet.

I think I'll let this stop now...
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Oh... Interesting world exploration. Should be fun.
 
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The lack of MALP is quite difficult to work with, especially on the chance you call an instant-death world, or a world that attacks anything coming through the gate on principle. You have, fortunately, never generated such a world on exploration yet.

I think I'll let this stop now...
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    -[X] Guardian Angels : Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
    -[X] Fourth Interplanetary : Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
    -[X] SG-1 : Study Site on Andana
    -[X] SG-2 : Deep Recon on Andana
    -[X] SG-3 : Deep Recon on Retirement Fund
    -[X] SG-4 : Cartouche Mission NR8-D6O
    -[X] Unknown Element: Study Alien Technology
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    -[X] Relative Space: Secrets of Zeus
    -[X] Zig Zag: Establish Offworld Outpost on Retirement Fund
    -[X] Request manpower - Companies 1 [Garrison on Retirement Fund]
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Oh... Interesting world exploration. Should be fun.

Is there any reason we can't build one? the US and Germans experimented with tv-controlled glide bombs during world war II, so even something as simple and crude as a device with an automated television camera that's pushed manually through the gate should be reasonable. it's both crude and cruel, but simply strapping a cage with an animal in it that can be observed via the tv camera will serve as a means of telling if the atmosphere and local conditions are suitable for human life.
 
Is there any reason we can't build one? the US and Germans experimented with tv-controlled glide bombs during world war II, so even something as simple and crude as a device with an automated television camera that's pushed manually through the gate should be reasonable. it's both crude and cruel, but simply strapping a cage with an animal in it that can be observed via the tv camera will serve as a means of telling if the atmosphere and local conditions are suitable for human life.
I had actually wanted to bring it up, but there wasn't a particularly good spot to put it. I was planning on just having something be jury-rigged by a frightful SG squaddie and his fears being justified when the camera shows a volcanic hellscape or some such equally bad thing, sprinkle in some narrative convenience to justify a device that arguably does nothing but sometimes kill birds.
 
I had actually wanted to bring it up, but there wasn't a particularly good spot to put it. I was planning on just having something be jury-rigged by a frightful SG squaddie and his fears being justified when the camera shows a volcanic hellscape or some such equally bad thing, sprinkle in some narrative convenience to justify a device that arguably does nothing but sometimes kill birds.
Honestly, there would actually be some use, namely as a way to check to see if there may be stuff in the air that kills you. Since, just a camera wont tell you about the levels of certain kinds of deadly gasses.
 
So, just curious but has anyone straped several Staff weapons together into a laser minigun?
 
So, just curious but has anyone straped several Staff weapons together into a laser minigun?
See, that just rubs me the wrong way. Staff weapons aren't roman candles, you can't just duct-tape five or six of them in a rough circular arrangement and make a minigun! The plasma projector is clearly electromagnetically charged, and it would have to be quite a powerful field to keep a plasma ball cohesive. You do not put five or six EM fields in close proximity to each other! It's very dangerous!

Your scientist may or may not have died as a result of such a clever idea, when he was researching your captured Goa'uld tech.

Besides, Bra'tac showed us that a staff weapon can be modified by an appropriately talented Jaffa so as to not need the minigun idea, as one of the earliest acts he performs in the series is rapid-firing at least half a dozen bolts in barely a second. Granted, neither he nor any other user of staff weapons or staff-derived technology ever again repeats the trick, but it was there, which kind of puts into question the whole 'giving earth weapons to jaffa' arc, on top of the wildly racist and colonial undertones that white people guns were better than their primitive sticks (and whoa was that cringey to see two decades later).

ONE MORE THING! Staff weapons do not laser!
 
Besides, Bra'tac showed us that a staff weapon can be modified by an appropriately talented Jaffa so as to not need the minigun idea, as one of the earliest acts he performs in the series is rapid-firing at least half a dozen bolts in barely a second. Granted, neither he nor any other user of staff weapons or staff-derived technology ever again repeats the trick, but it was there, which kind of puts into question the whole 'giving earth weapons to jaffa' arc, on top of the wildly racist and colonial undertones that white people guns were better than their primitive sticks (and whoa was that cringey to see two decades later).

ONE MORE THING! Staff weapons do not laser!
... :facepalm: :facepalm:
The wonders of tv show idiocy. if a random Jaffa could make one of them rapid fire, then that means if they actually tried to understand how their stuff work, they could have at least modified it to be comparable to our slug throwers...:facepalm::facepalm:
Yeah. That colors that P90 scene in a not so flattering light...
Edit: Pretty much that or said Jaffa was some sort of genius...
 
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You do not put five or six EM fields in close proximity to each other! It's very dangerous!
So long as they are activated sequentially so that only one of them is activated while the other 2 is off it should be fine.

This idea was made without knowing that the SW can be modified. Even then, modifying SW is dangerous for us with 50's tech as shown with the lab explosion so strapping it on an Earth made mount is much safer than modifying it into a Staff SMG.

Also never saw SG-1, saw the original movie as a kid when the English Teacher rewarded us with a movie when we have finished the curriculum early. So my only exposure to SG1 was with that OG XCOM xover.

Speaking of that fic, how about making Staff Rifles or at least make them ergonomic by gluing a stock and grip on them or something? yes I know you need more than that, but I figure the scientists can work out a viable solution without cracking a SW open.
 
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So long as they are activated sequentially so that only one of them is activated while the other 2 is off it should be fine.

This idea was made without knowing that the SW can be modified. Even then, modifying SW is dangerous for us with 50's tech as shown with the lab explosion so strapping it on an Earth made mount is much safer than modifying it into a Staff SMG.

Also never saw SG-1, saw the original movie as a kid when the English Teacher rewarded us with a movie when we have finished the curriculum early. So my only exposure to SG1 was with that OG XCOM xover.

Speaking of that fic, how about making Staff Rifles or at least make them ergonomic by gluing a stock and grip on them or something? yes I know you need more than that, but I figure the scientists can work out a viable solution without cracking a SW open.
I loved that fic, but I personally think a weapon would need a complete redesign to make it aim better. It doesn't have anything like a barrel to help keep it firing straight. The plasma it fires is affected from many things, including the planet's magnetic field(If the plasma is controlled by mini mag fields). An actual barrel should help control and fire it better, plus if we can get it set up like a rail gun then we might be able to send the plasma bolts out as faster speeds
 
I loved that fic, but I personally think a weapon would need a complete redesign to make it aim better. It doesn't have anything like a barrel to help keep it firing straight. The plasma it fires is affected from many things, including the planet's magnetic field(If the plasma is controlled by mini mag fields). An actual barrel should help control and fire it better, plus if we can get it set up like a rail gun then we might be able to send the plasma bolts out as faster speeds
That sounds way out of 1950's tech ability at the moment so that is why I focus on at least making it ergonomic first, something that should be simple enough for 50s tech before trying to improve the weapon. The bolt flew straight enough and just making a Staff SMG is good enough for most away missions as they are usually in close quarters.

Should we add AT Snipers Rifles to our inventory? I figure some long range option or Anti-armor weapon should at least be added, whether they can damage Gou'uld Armor is up to the QM. Garands can kill with a head shot if the Jaffa don't wear a helmet and is fairly accurate at medium to long range and Thompsons and Shotguns are great against unarmored enemies up close. But that relies on the enemy not wearing armor, researching Anti-Armor weapons should be a priority since we will fight against their elites eventually. I guess we could have Bazooka teams ready in case of enemy Elites.
 
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So, just curious but has anyone straped several Staff weapons together into a laser minigun?
They did that in XSGCOM by Hotpoint:

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The Commander heard a familiar sound and turned to watch a tracked Heavy Weapon's Platform rolling into range. The Jaffa immediately switched targets and opened up on the machine but the rare staff blast that hit the thick frontal armour merely blackened it before the HWP began to return fire in a storm of identical blasts from the six staff-weapons mounted together on a revolving turret


An electric motor turning them like a Gatling-Gun the cluster of staff-weapons, now minus their counterweight clubs at the far end, began to pour a continual stream of plasma bolts into the treeline as the HWP kept rolling along, its treads marking it's passage across the planet all the way back to the stargate. Cooling issues meant that a staff could only rapid fire a few shots normally, drastically restricting their usefulness in suppression fire, but in this mounting when there was a half dozen of the things putting out better than four-hundred discharges a minute between them, the small automated tanks carrying a Gatling-Staff could really kick ass.


The psychological impact of the continual sound and fury was as much of a factor, if not more as the casualties caused. Laser and conventional cannon armed HWP's had considerably more accuracy, a longer reach and overall slew more effectively, but they didn't project the same aura of mayhem on the move that one of these babies did, Sharp thought to himself with a grin, as the machines relentless, plasma-spewing advance continued, the quantity of fire coming from the forest starting to drop off at last.
 
Besides, Bra'tac showed us that a staff weapon can be modified by an appropriately talented Jaffa so as to not need the minigun idea, as one of the earliest acts he performs in the series is rapid-firing at least half a dozen bolts in barely a second.
It might be that this draws to much power at once and results in a 10% chance the weapon explodes each time you fire more than one shot per second.
 
See, that just rubs me the wrong way. Staff weapons aren't roman candles, you can't just duct-tape five or six of them in a rough circular arrangement and make a minigun! The plasma projector is clearly electromagnetically charged, and it would have to be quite a powerful field to keep a plasma ball cohesive. You do not put five or six EM fields in close proximity to each other! It's very dangerous!

Your scientist may or may not have died as a result of such a clever idea, when he was researching your captured Goa'uld tech.

Besides, Bra'tac showed us that a staff weapon can be modified by an appropriately talented Jaffa so as to not need the minigun idea, as one of the earliest acts he performs in the series is rapid-firing at least half a dozen bolts in barely a second. Granted, neither he nor any other user of staff weapons or staff-derived technology ever again repeats the trick, but it was there, which kind of puts into question the whole 'giving earth weapons to jaffa' arc, on top of the wildly racist and colonial undertones that white people guns were better than their primitive sticks (and whoa was that cringey to see two decades later).

ONE MORE THING! Staff weapons do not laser!

That episode also showed that the Jaffa martial arts(something resembling capoeira) were something incompatible with the gear they regularly wore(heavy chainmail). It showed that there was a disconnect between what Jaffa could and would be proficient as warriors, and what they wore due to their gods telling them to.

I found the difference between a weapon of war and a weapon of terror rather apt. Bre'tac was a master of the weapon, but had been training his entire life. A young teenager can be proficient with a rifle after a few short weeks. It harkens back to the old joke about how if you want a good bowman, start with his grandfather.

It's that whole class and tradition thing that humanity had in regards to armor and it eventually being made useless by firearms and the longbow. The Jaffa wear armor that's okay at withstanding most melee weapons, but there's a reason Jaffa aren't all carrying personal force fields, cloaking devices, quality armor that stops energy weapons, etc. They're meant as intimidating shock troops on locals and medieval serfs, and their design reflects that.

Apophis, when he tried out Earth style tactics with his humans using Earth style intars, was testing to see if they were more efficient than what he had. To see if Earth forms of war were useful. So useful that Stargate collected the things and adopted them in canon. The Goa'uld could go for more ergonomic designs, but that would go against their culture of intimidating peasants into thinking they're gods. This is why the Sodan, Jaffa who aren't playacting as guardians of the gods, used a similar form of staff weaponry that was better for melee and ranged combat, but also allowed faster movement and melee. It was a form of kit that was compatible with Jaffa training, and made them more effective than the standard peasant Jaffa.
 
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That episode also showed that the Jaffa martial arts(something resembling capoeira) were something incompatible with the gear they regularly wore(heavy chainmail). It showed that there was a disconnect between what Jaffa could and would be proficient as warriors, and what they wore due to their gods telling them to.

I found the difference between a weapon of war and a weapon of terror rather apt. Bre'tac was a master of the weapon, but had been training his entire life. A young teenager can be proficient with a rifle after a few short weeks. It harkens back to the old joke about how if you want a good bowman, start with his grandfather.

It's that whole class and tradition thing that humanity had in regards to armor and it eventually being made useless by firearms and the longbow. The Jaffa wear armor that's okay at withstanding most melee weapons, but there's a reason Jaffa aren't all carrying personal force fields, cloaking devices, quality armor that stops energy weapons, etc. They're meant as intimidating shock troops on locals and medieval serfs, and their design reflects that.

Apophis, when he tried out Earth style tactics with his humans using Earth style intars, was testing to see if they were more efficient than what he had. To see if Earth forms of war were useful. So useful that Stargate collected the things and adopted them in canon. The Goa'uld could go for more ergonomic designs, but that would go against their culture of intimidating peasants into thinking they're gods. This is why the Sodan, Jaffa who aren't playacting as guardians of the gods, used a similar form of staff weaponry that was better for melee and ranged combat, but also allowed faster movement and melee. It was a form of kit that was compatible with Jaffa training, and made them more effective than the standard peasant Jaffa.
But this argument is based on the idea that the common Jaffa is merely a levy conscript. This is clearly incorrect from their martial culture. The master student relationship is presented as a common element to Jaffa training, which should imply that almost every Jaffa has had the training of grandfathers to be those good bowmen.

Furthermore, most Jaffa, going by Bra'tac and Teal'c, will train for years before being brought into service, Teal'c was well past 40 before he joined apophis' army. That is also an incredibly weird dichotomy with how undisciplined the rebels were, as well as the fact that their best marksman could barely hit a standing target one time out of three at 30 yards.

There's a lot of Jaffa behavior that only makes sense if you use narrative logic and deliberately ignore that the only Jaffa that don't shoot like a stormtrooper are Teal'c and Bra'tac.
 
But this argument is based on the idea that the common Jaffa is merely a levy conscript. This is clearly incorrect from their martial culture. The master student relationship is presented as a common element to Jaffa training, which should imply that almost every Jaffa has had the training of grandfathers to be those good bowmen.

Furthermore, most Jaffa, going by Bra'tac and Teal'c, will train for years before being brought into service, Teal'c was well past 40 before he joined apophis' army. That is also an incredibly weird dichotomy with how undisciplined the rebels were, as well as the fact that their best marksman could barely hit a standing target one time out of three at 30 yards.

There's a lot of Jaffa behavior that only makes sense if you use narrative logic and deliberately ignore that the only Jaffa that don't shoot like a stormtrooper are Teal'c and Bra'tac.

Teal'c and Bre'tac are in no way the norm when it comes to Jaffa. Even if that were the case, a massive civil war that takes out thousands of troops kind of depletes any of the elites they have and leaves you with that mass force of levy conscripts that haven't had the decades of training that the forces prewar had.
 
Teal'c and Bre'tac are in no way the norm when it comes to Jaffa. Even if that were the case, a massive civil war that takes out thousands of troops kind of depletes any of the elites they have and leaves you with that mass force of levy conscripts that haven't had the decades of training that the forces prewar had.
Honestly, this could make some sense, ESPECIALLY if you consider Earth's entrance literally nuked the status quo, leading to a time of relative peace ending, so it could be that the elites were generally getting killed off in the war faster than they could be trained as the Go'auld all jockey for position. Doesn't explain all of it, but could explain at least a small portion of it.
 
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