I mean, that would require me to actually read Ward. Given I'm still in the middle of Damsel of Distress' flashback Arc and haven't even tried to read another chapter in months... prospects aren't promising.
Huh, that's exactly where I stalled out. Did you temporarily stall out during the Echidna arc too?
I'm not going to dispute whether it's strange kitchen design or not, but I've seen exactly that distribution before: stove, series of cabinets, and then sink at the opposite end from the stove, with enough room to have a table in between.
Fair enough, but you might want to devote a little more wordcount to it - I'd actually conflated the concepts of 'sink' with 'stove', simply because it'd been long enough to fuzz out of focus.
By 'hoops' she's talking about the process of arranging to wash dishes and whatnot without transforming and without having to figure out how to avoid doing anything obviously weird in front of Danny, whether as a side effect of transforming or from doing weird things to avoid transforming.
Ah, okay. I wasn't expecting "help wash up" to be on her mind, because she's so eager to leave.
I've said this elsewhere in the thread, but if transforming would cause her to be able to see herself as the monster clearly, she won't transform.

The effect you're imagining would apply to someone else removing their helmet while looking at her, but not when looking at herself via a mirror.
Thank you, that does make sense.
Winslow High sucks. You know that, I know that, the teachers know that, the politicians know that, the gangs love it, hell I'm pretty sure the roaches know it.
Why do the gangs like it? Most of their members have gone there.
There's certainly enough of them they could hold the school hostage if they got organized.
Also ha!
I reflexively glance around after having that thought, heading into school grounds. Locust isn't a mindreader, no one except maybe the Simurgh is, but she's scary, and infamous on PHO for her habit of taking statements overly literally. It so consistently ends in pain PHO's tinfoils are 80-90% convinced she's doing it deliberately, like a meta-joke or something. The remainder like to point out that powers sometimes do very weird things to a parahuman's head, and we should feel bad for her.

Then sensible people point out Locust is A: Locust and B: a member of E88, and people remember to stop feeling sorry for the sociopath. Instead they commiserate for her poor husband, Fog. Personally, I want to know what kind of nutcase marries a woman made of bugs. Fucking creepy, the both of them.
Huh. It's a full powerswap, and Night uses bug clones.
...Also, this Taylor is considerably more of a cape fan than canon.
The worst part is wondering if the fly that won't leave me alone just likes the way I smell or if Locust is seeing through it. The fucking worst thing about living in Brockton Bay.
:rofl:
Well. PHO thinks Locust can control tapeworms too, going by a bad encounter between the Underwires or whatever and E88.
The Undersiders are a lot more public at this point in the timeline than I'd expect. That might be down to Locust making it enough harder to stay secret that they didn't really bother, or Taylor might have triggered considerably later than in canon, but I kind of want to see what the six-to-thirty independents that ostensibly exist getting more screentime.
I also want to know why Locust and Fog still seem to be working with the E88, given that they'd quit for a while before Purity came back.
You know what? I'm feeling generous. Greg wins that contest today. He is more awkward and clueless about human normality than the bugwoman. Congratulations Greg, you won something. Not anything an actual person would want to win, but then the award isn't meant for a person, is it?
Wow, she really doesn't like him. Understandable, but not exactly pleasant to read about.
Mr. Gladly is still the most hateable teacher in school, acting like it's my fault when someone else smacks me in the back of the head with a paper airplane. Yes, I was passing notes. Via paper airplane. Into the back of my head. I have talent, you see. A regular airshowwoman with paper airplanes, I am.
Huh. I guess the point of this sequence is to show that this Taylor is angry instead of controlling?
6: Kill Ashbeast? (Too human?)
Pretty sure he doesn't exist at this point in the timeline, at least not publicly. (This is based on the "there are six S-rank threats" line, which I think is from the Echidna arc - and if Ash Beast is only A-rank, Rattenfanger and Jamestowner probably also qualify.)
PHO tinfoil hats are convinced there's a sexily mysterious woman in a hat behind literally everything bad in the entire world, who has been seen anywhere on the planet you care to name. The fact that people cosplay as this supposed woman doesn't help.
*laughter, terrible pun variant*
They also think Hero wasn't really killed by the Siberian and is hiding out somewhere to someday rise with an Endslayer
That actually makes a lot of sense, given the situation.
the Crusades were a Simurgh plot somehow
*more laughter*
Dad gets home nearly an hour later than usual tonight. I'm half-upset, feeling creeped out by being alone in the house with these thoughts in my head, and half-relieved: the shaking didn't die down until twenty minutes before he showed up. His portion of dinner is cold, too, though at least him being late meant he didn't walk in on me cooking with one hand while carrying around the hand mirror. I'm still dreading having that, or something like it, happen one day.
In most households I'd say she needs a phone to pretend to be keeping an eye on, but this is the Herberts. If she can pull that off, she's probably worked through her issues enough to reveal her identity anyway.
When ABB and E88 groups of toughs walk past each other, there's a lot of posturing, but nobody really does anything. In some cases I get the impression they're practically friends, albeit on opposite sides. I don't know what to make of that.
I liked this whole section, but this was my favorite part.
 
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Or it's because a random new trigger killing a threat that the PRT had been insisting was too dangerous for years would be a huge PR loss, and she's been ordered not to say?
Pretty sure they don't have Direct Order authority like that, but I can't prove it.
Now we need Bonesaw to splice up Fun Taylor with Imp for ultimate combo.

Btw I was always wondering what will happen if Night would wear monster suit over her monster form?
Nah, Imp isn't actually invisible, just unnoticible. More powerful in a lot of ways, but not as directly useful as a Grue splice.
Monster Taylor, on the other hand, might be able to use that as an exploit. She'd have to actually, you know, find or create such a suit, which is all kinds of logistical difficulties...
Wear a tent?
Saint was tempted to compare the limbs to a spider's legs, but only for the way they spread out from the curved, vaguely cylindrical body. The way they were shaped, the way they moved, it put him in mind of an octopus' arms, if the octopus had no distinct underside, no suckers, just a featureless cylinder tapering to a point -a point that was apparently quite sharp. When the AI had zoomed in, he was fairly sure he'd spotted blade edges running from the tip to approximately one-quarter of the way back from the tip, five of them per limb, distributed equally around the cylinder, but they jutted so slightly from the limbs and blended so well into it in terms of color that he wasn't entirely certain he hadn't imagined them. The arms had the kind of flexibility he'd expect in an octopus, too, or maybe more so than an octopus.

The axe-head had two green eyes, compound like a fly or other insect, one of each side of the 'blade' of the head. (He had yet to see the head actually used as a weapon, but he wouldn't put it past the being) They unsettled him. No pupil, no way to tell where the thing's focus was, or even to tell whether it had to focus on a specific point at all. Inhuman. Refreshing in a way, when he was so used to dealing with Richter's AI, which could present an unsettlingly human face, good enough to fool his instincts but never his mind.

The thing was coated in a layer of fluid that seemed to cling to its body like a second skin. At first he'd thought it some kind of parahuman force-field, an energy effect, due to how far out from the body it extended without simply falling away, but he'd seen dirt float in it, blood spread as it would in water, and other signs that it was a fluid. (Though never for long: he wasn't sure how it happened exactly, but anything trapped in the fluid vanished eventually. Osmosis?) Just another example of parahuman abilities laughing at conventional physics. There was a part of him -the still-fading remnants of Teacher's power- wondering at what the fluid was for, how it worked, potential applications, but it was a weak impulse, and long experience told him it wouldn't pay off particularly even if he were at the peak of Teacher's influence. Teacher gave him a tinker power aimed first at programming and second at the hardware you would run code on. It had never played nice with biologicals, or with non-electronic devices for that matter.
This is a lot of focus on what Taylor looks like, for someone with no obvious reason to have it. Also, "axe-headed spider-fly" is honestly kind of a letdown compared to "writhing shadowbeast with liquid skin".
(There were others. He liked the "monkish" appearance it gave him. He wouldn't have shaved just for that effect, though)
(Even he didn't sleep in it, though. He'd tried. He'd failed)
(Sometimes an emergency was that the plumbing wasn't working. No need to give each other heart attacks by not clearly distinguishing between a cape emergency and a regular emergency)
(Saint still couldn't remember what the errand was. Too hard to keep track of everything, while he had to focus on the AI's feeds)
(The way viscera sprayed everywhere, it seemed an apt metaphor)
(Saint did his best to ignore how Nilbog's creations tended to 'celebrate'. Fucking disgusting, but not relevant)
These all need periods.
the Three Blasphemy's
Blasphemies
(It was an AI and didn't feel guilt, of course, but you could see something distinctive happen in its code anytime it lied, deliberately left out critical information, presented things in a misleading way, or otherwise dissembled. Dobrynja had called it a 'pang of guilt' the first time they'd noticed and the term had stuck)
The first letter shouldn't be capitalized here. Also, why wouldn't "times Dragon has knowingly mislead people" be recorded as a safeguard?
quieter than a man of his size had any right to be without parahuman abilities,
Awkward phrasing, and implies Saint expects to be around parahumans more often than he actually is.
When he came back a few minutes later, he was dressed in an undersuit himself.
Why didn't he suit up as soon as he got back, given that he was called home for a cape emergency?
It was not a proper panic button. The AI clearly thought it had things under control.
Oh wait, the lie Dragon told was some combination of "lethal force" and "only warning". I'd been wondering about that.
a sweeping gesture at the ongoing carnage, now returning to Nilbog's 'court'. "-is a workable plan that will not have any negative consequences at all."
The period in the middle shouldn't be there.
In the end they'd decided their help wasn't necessary. The risk that Dragon would take the opportunity to backtrack them was part of the concern, but not the primary one -Mags in particular had objected to the idea of even giving that angle any consideration at all. In the face of the apocalypse, it just didn't rate. Even so, the Protectorate response was swift -Saint was especially impressed by how fast Legend had arrived, taking literally 3 minutes to arrive from New York City- and Dragon's feeds made it clear that the situation was... not under control, but operating at the very edge of such.
I think the style you're going for is "multitrack and distractible", which makes a lot of sense for Saint, but the formatting is inconsistent.
To be fair, the tinkertech.... let's just go with laser even though the physicist in me cries at that... the tinkertech laser Dragon was using was starting to do something.
Call it a heat ray? Alternately, it actually was machinegun fire. That wasn't totally clear.
(Vaguely relevant: thermite slugs are totally an option.)
I vaguely recall hearing that a railgun is more resistant (Relatively speaking) to wear and tear than a coilgun, but honestly my main logic behind "Dragon using a coilgun" is that my understanding is that a coilgun is considerably more space efficient. Given how it's canon that Dragon manages to pack an absolutely insane amount of stuff into individual suits with no evidence of Armsmaster-esque shapechanging/fuck-your-Euclidean-physics I tend to assume she picks space-efficient designs over non-space-efficient designs even if there is a noticeable advantage to the less space efficient designs.

So: coilgun.
Oh, actually I just remembered this: spin guns are basically coilguns that loop in order to increase their effective length. (And presumably don't let their projectiles touch the barrel at all.) So it's not slightly more space-efficient, it's a lot more space-efficient - and plausibly lower maintenance, too.
Dragon may have used a ground-to-spaceship gun, is what I'm saying.
Emotionally, I see the locker's contents, and I've hurled it away before I can finish telling myself it's just juice.
Ah, so you haven't changed the Trigger. That's a pity; one of my favorite parts of Worm is how mindset/powers/trigger interlace.
Jabberwock's power implies a mentality of hide-from-everyone-kill-discoverers-pretend-to-be-normal-when-observed. Which is a Stranger creed even if ever heard one, albeit one that implies the Monster is her true identity and her human form is camouflage.
The Locker Incident, meanwhile, gives a lot of pressure to distract yourself or else explode. That's quite versatile - I can think of reasonable justifications for almost any rating, with Blaster and Capekiller as the major exceptions - but I feel a Stranger rating would be based on avoiding the insects' notice. If you gave her something like "it was a really bad week for the bullying, and I just needed some space to recover without being interrupted", I think it'd work better for this.
 
Oh, actually I just remembered this: spin guns are basically coilguns that loop in order to increase their effective length. (And presumably don't let their projectiles touch the barrel at all.) So it's not slightly more space-efficient, it's a lot more space-efficient - and plausibly lower maintenance, too.
Dragon may have used a ground-to-spaceship gun, is what I'm saying.
Is this link supposed to lead to a drawing of a giant robot?
 
Is this link supposed to lead to a drawing of a giant robot?
Yep; look at the description.
The only reason I don't drink any of it is that I've made a habit of pre-opening my bottles at home (Long story, ugly memories), and the unexpected resistance catches my attention enough to actually see the contents.
Why is it safer to open the bottles at home? Wouldn't that make it easier to tamper with them?
-he doesn't use his power on anyone he doesn't intend to incorporate long-term
I don't think this contradicts the text of Worm directly, but I think it does contradict what Wildbow has said about Heartbreaker on Reddit. Specifically, that if he gets tired of someone he turns them into a suicide bomber. Just to be clear.
(And the Protectorate, but that goes into the box too and I pretend I never thought it)
(Tinfoil conspiracy shut up)
Need periods.
in some dim (Yet depressing) hope
Shouldn't be capitalized.
The girl lets out a strangled yelp when I turn a corner, and I back up, confused. She's wide-eyed, and not looking at anything in particular, seeming focused on something in her head.
Ah, so Vista can tell when Taylor transforms. Interesting.
If this were cape fiction, I'd have bumped into a Ward without realizing it,
:rofl::lol
crying into his hands
What just happened? Probably not a Heartbroken attack, although someone from the Heartbroken probably knows she was looking for them. It doesn't seem like a Trigger vision, unless it's of a Danny-that-never-was. Maybe a flashback to the mourning period after Annette died? I actually don't know!
Hm. Danny crying? Or no wait, that was Nilbog, right? When he gave up?
Oh, that would make sense.
Doesn't matter. Either Taylor went to occupying a larger and strangely shaped area after exiting sight or she ceased to occupy an area. If this is Vista, which is likely, either one would be 'what the hell'.
Yeah, and I think Vista was at the entrance in the first place because Taylor was giving her some weird readings.
I'm sort of amused people are assuming it's Coil's fault, especially after everyone was so quick to jump to the assumption that Taylor googling for Nilbog would inform Dragon of her location. Dragon+Coil OTP of blame?

Chew on this: what benefit might Coil think he'd get out of going after Taylor/the monster... and why would we be seeing the timeline in which he tried any such thing, if he is indeed doing it? (After all, a timeline in which he simply sounded her out with no intention of keeping the timeline would never be seen by the Taylor we're getting a view from)
Modulo nothing going horribly wrong in the other one. (Maybe his base gets raided, and if there's a group out scouting they can provide much better assistance?)
preferably through positive reinforcement like with Grue or Creeper.
Who's Creeper? This guy?
(I'm now very sad that Taylor didn't go back and give an anti-drug speech)
As you say it, so am I.
about 100 miles/2.5 hour drive of Boston
Only at an average rate of 40 MPH, which is 20-40 miles too slow for interstate highways in my experience.
Making people close their eyes isn't exactly hard, yeah? Throw something at their face, punch them there, dart behind them.

It only takes a few seconds of being the monster to hit the average cape hard enough they go down. If you move up to flash bangs, you can do that essentially at will, and then you're fine to go up against any non brute you can get in touch range of.
Ooh, ooh, Kenzie's flash gun from Ward!
I'm 99% confident the Three Blasphemies are projections, probably from a single parahuman pretending to be a trio that revives if any member is still alive. It's the most consistent explanation with... everything about canon.

(Incidentally, how the fuck do people "know" that the Three Blasphemies specifically need a surviving member to revive? The only way you'd know that is if you'd successfully killed all three of them! At which point they'd be dead forever and not a problem!)
Could some Tinker's rogue experiment that didn't destroy their development notes when they killed their maker.
Kind of convoluted, sure, but it makes for a more interesting fight than Siberian II: This One Has Area Attacks.
Monster Taylor is similar-yet-different from canon Taylor. I do not consider it any kind of spoiler to say that she's more reckless.

One of the driving forces behind Monster's writing (One of the many ones, admittedly) is that it annoys me to see alt-power Taylors where there's no attempt to synchronize their psychology to their power. Even if it weren't canon that what power you get is defined by what kind of person you are/how you think about the world, in addition to what shard is shoving itself into your brain, it seems like common sense to me that the power would affect how you think, even if no Burnscar-esque psychological intrusion were occurring.

So Monster Taylor is, roughly, Taylor if she were coming from a different place such that she got a different power, and in turn is becoming a different person thanks to having a different power.
One of my perennial projects is to map out the power classifications on psychological lines. I'm pretty sure Movers and Masters should be split into two categories each, for example.
Meanwhile, the benefits of explaining trigger events to civilians are...

...

...

...?

... reducing the number of parahumans that come into being? If you consider that a benefit? I guess?
Sounds like something Canon Cauldron would want to do, but Canon Cauldron is a bizarre hash of conflicting motives that are hard to reconcile with its tiny, well-informed management structure.
tl;dr blame contessa Cauldron. (no seriously, they want more triggers. They have Contessa. They'd find a way to keep it out of common knowledge.)
Their stated reason for barely helping against the Slaughterhouse Nine is that if Zion waited fifteen years to go psycho, there might not be as many capes. But they also say that natural triggers outstripping their bottle-triggers is a big problem, because natural triggers aren't as stable. It is confusing.
Anything that constitutes a "trigger event in progress" is such a violation of basic human decency that if the people making it happen gave a crap about improving the world it wouldn't be happening.
I'm pretty sure there are a few exceptions - car crash in the woods that leaves your entire family dead except you, for example - but you're right that knowledge of triggers wouldn't help in that case.
"Hey, Joe Bob Citizen. Those random superpowered people who can topple buildings and depopulate small countries? You know how they seem to happen randomly? I have good news! Not only are they largely random, but they're made primarily of people whose lives suck so much that they have better than even odds of wanting to vent their anger on entire societies!

Joe Bob Citizen, please stop trying to hang yourself in despair. This was supposed to be reassuring. Why are you not reassured?

Knowing things is supposed to make you feel better, consarnit!"

/Cave Johnson voice
*wheezing laughter*
Wait, you don't want superpowered defenders to reduce your odds of being reduced to paste by an Endbringer? (Or worse, Simurgh'd)
I think that falls under the umbrella of "don't want to think about it". Local supervillains are your problem, whereas Endbringers are basically someone else's most of the time.
Just putting it out there that I really like how the arcs are named. I felt that was one of the most interesting 'meta features' of Worm. I'm enjoying the obvious references to villains that Ghoul King has had as the arc titles.
Oh dear. Those seem to have been removed, and I am now horribly curious.
 
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"If people are looking at me I'm noth- er." Right, the people-sensing. "Um, I can tell when people are nearby at all times, too. But aside from that I'm just an ordinary girl if you can see me."
She's a camouflage Stranger. Why doesn't she have a massive hangup about revealing her true self's powers?
Really, I thought it would be the Wards and no, I don't need superpowered teenage drama in addition to regular high school drama -imagine what Sophia would do to torment me if she had Vista's powers!-
That's oddly specific. Especially given that Taylor knows how much better Arcadia is than Winslow.
and if I'm entirely honest, much as I respect Armsmaster and Miss Militia and Legend and so on, there are times I feel like the Protectorate isn't so much making the world a better place as it is slowing down the rate at which it gets worse. I think Legend coming out as gay was the last time a member of the Protectorate did anything to improve the state of the world?
Also an odd tangent for this Taylor. She seems like she should've been too self-absorbed to notice how much good or bad the Protectorate is doing. (Also I don't know that she'd be interested in gay rights, given how little it seems to impact her or any of her friends.)
Weakness of her power, its not crumbstomp everyone for no reasons fic.
True, but some mention of her trying to run and failing would've been nice.
I personally suspect this isn't actually that unusual in canon for interactions with new capes -treat them with caution, if you get reassured they're not trouble try to talk them into becoming a hero... even though you buried them in containment foam five minutes ago.
*pained snerking*
Yeah, that sounds all too plausible. A bit like @Jinx999's Shadow Stalker theory.
I still feel like the chapter could be better, that if I was more skilled there'd be something clearly understandable happening to keep the chapter from just being "Something happened and I'm confused", but I'm glad to hear this regardless.
Then make it a character beat. "I tried my best to investigate carefully, but I was caught and interrogated, and it was honestly more stressful than the whole thing with Nilbog."
You make me desperately wish I could successfully write the internal workings of a formal bureaucracy so I could adequately cover the aftermath.
What's your worry? Not having a firm grasp of the roles involved? Not knowing what format to use? Not having a good enough model of the PRT's institutional priorities?
The PRT/Protectorate holds itself to the unwritten rules except when they think they can get away not doing so, is the short version, actually. The fact that they stop holding themselves to the unwritten rules when it comes to Skitter is actually a major plotpoint -an indication of exactly how hard they're coming after her, that they're repealing "basic cape decency" when it comes to her when they never did any such thing to the gangs.
I read that as them being desperate rather than overconfident. They knew there'd be serious backlash, but they were worried that letting an official villain be the city's emergency-services-in-all-but-name would be worse.
Give some thought to why Armsmaster and Miss Militia were the ones to interrogate her. It's a clue.
It's been too long since I read about Piggot's relationship with Miss Militia. Is she okay with getting them killed, or does she have some reason to think them more durable than the others?
Given Taylor is canonically -and here too- a big fan of Armsmaster to the point of buying Armsmaster underwear... yeeees? Any publicly known weaknesses probably are known to her.

It's also less of an admission of weakness and more an explanation of mechanics.
Again, given her Stranger profile she should have more of a hangup about revealing her details. Skitter had that because she compartmentalized so heavily, but Monster literally hides who she is whenever there are people watching.
(Then again, not being able to hide at-will messes with that reading a tiny bit, which I interpret as a break from canon. Powers are complicated!)
 
Arc 2 is now fully edited, which actually was mostly on the order of getting comma placement right.

I've occasionally wondered if Johnson's Interlude should've gone before Taylor being jumped, but I don't feel like jumping through the hoops that would be involved in making that happen and I can't help but suspect that for people reading at this point it wouldn't change much. I dunno, maybe I'll come back to this possibility later.

In fairness, the Fallen of Worm weren't the most developed and detailed faction.

Yes, which makes it impressive that they can't be reconciled. I should be going 'well, that's not what I would've expected, but it's plausible', since there is so little to contradict.

Huh, that's exactly where I stalled out. Did you temporarily stall out during the Echidna arc too?

I didn't stall out, no, but it was a close thing, and if my circumstances had been a little different I probably would have.

Why didn't he suit up as soon as he got back, given that he was called home for a cape emergency?

Because 'let's discuss whether we're activating Ascalon now' is a possible cape emergency and doesn't require suiting up, for one.

Ah, so you haven't changed the Trigger. That's a pity; one of my favorite parts of Worm is how mindset/powers/trigger interlace.
Jabberwock's power implies a mentality of hide-from-everyone-kill-discoverers-pretend-to-be-normal-when-observed. Which is a Stranger creed even if ever heard one, albeit one that implies the Monster is her true identity and her human form is camouflage.
The Locker Incident, meanwhile, gives a lot of pressure to distract yourself or else explode. That's quite versatile - I can think of reasonable justifications for almost any rating, with Blaster and Capekiller as the major exceptions - but I feel a Stranger rating would be based on avoiding the insects' notice. If you gave her something like "it was a really bad week for the bullying, and I just needed some space to recover without being interrupted", I think it'd work better for this.

There's three angles I can respond to this from:

Angle the first is that Wildbow has, in WoG, laid out a lot of 'this is how trigger events tend to correlate to powers'... and what he's laid out tells us that the Locker fits far better to Monster Taylor's power than canon Taylor's power. So I didn't feel like changing the trigger event made sense in this case.

Angle the second is that you're possibly talking about Ward's cape psychology stuff here. If you are, not only was this written well before Ward was first posting, but Ward's cape psychology stuff is utter bullshit.

Angle the third is that you're just running a novel, unexplained model of power-to-psychology, in which case I probably disagree with your model, but without specifics I couldn't begin to guess why you are using the model you are using or what its details are.

Why is it safer to open the bottles at home? Wouldn't that make it easier to tamper with them?

See exactly what she averted, and extrapolate: this isn't the first time her bottles have been swapped, and pre-opening them gives her a way to notice when such a swap has occurred.

(At one point there was supposed to be an allusion to Taylor's bottles having been swapped with juice from something she's allergic to, but I couldn't figure out how to cram it in organically and then nobody asked so I never mentioned it in the thread)

I might've had an additional thought behind it when I wrote it, but it's been literally years so if so I've forgotten.

I don't think this contradicts the text of Worm directly, but I think it does contradict what Wildbow has said about Heartbreaker on Reddit. Specifically, that if he gets tired of someone he turns them into a suicide bomber. Just to be clear.

I've never heard of that WoG and would've ignored it as 'inane and pointless grimderp that makes no sense' even if I had.

Oh dear. Those seem to have been removed, and I am now horribly curious.

They're not. They're just hidden in the index post, which they always have been.

She's a camouflage Stranger. Why doesn't she have a massive hangup about revealing her true self's powers?

I don't follow this logic at all.

That's oddly specific. Especially given that Taylor knows how much better Arcadia is than Winslow.

... oddly specific for her to hypothesize an imaginary scenario involving one of her primary tormentors, the one who is the more physical of the two, using a power that had reason to be on Taylor's mind anyway? (Because the trip to Arcadia was kicked off in no small part by reading about Vista's power) How does that track?

Also an odd tangent for this Taylor. She seems like she should've been too self-absorbed to notice how much good or bad the Protectorate is doing. (Also I don't know that she'd be interested in gay rights, given how little it seems to impact her or any of her friends.)

If you're going to have an issue with this, go take it up with Wildbow. That's ripped pretty much straight from canon, with the only meaningful deviation being that Monster Taylor is more openly and explicitly pessimistic about how much good the Protectorate is doing. Canon Taylor explicitly comments on gay rights being helped by Legend coming out very early in canon.

Monster Taylor has additionally spent a while unable to sleep and routinely staying up late on the computer doing research relevant to caping, so regardless of whether she's 'self-absorbed' or not she's going to have gathered information and formed an opinion based on that information.

(Also there's later stuff in Monster that ambiguously contradicts your belief here)

What's your worry? Not having a firm grasp of the roles involved? Not knowing what format to use? Not having a good enough model of the PRT's institutional priorities?

Writing a believable bureaucracy with realistic internal politics and organic social dynamics interlaced with work dynamics, where most parties involved are acting in more or less good faith.

I'm pretty confident I could easily write a horribly corrupt bureaucracy, and I could probably pull off a 'work to rule strike only this is just how everyone operates' bureaucracy more or less fine, but one where the people involved are decent human beings who have friends at the office and whatnot? That's not happening. I have no personal experience with such an environment, and I don't have the mentality to readily hypothesize a model. (The idea of making friends with people who you're working with is just bizarre to me)

... it does occur to me I might be able to pull off writing the Vegas PRT office acceptably well, put like that. Hm. Gives some context on why I've considered the story heading to Vegas on and off for ages.

I read that as them being desperate rather than overconfident. They knew there'd be serious backlash, but they were worried that letting an official villain be the city's emergency-services-in-all-but-name would be worse.

That's... exactly what I'm saying in the part you're quoting. Them breaking the rules is a big deal, an indication of how important it is to them to bring down Skitter.
 
(No helmet, of course)
(Well. The cameras and directional microphones would've been getting set up even if it weren't being rushed, but it wasn't supposed to be Armsmaster doing it. His time was too valuable to waste on trivialities. Johnson resentfully assumed it would've been his job. Then he found himself wondering what was in the fridge and if he was missing out and decided he resented Armsmaster for getting the job after all)
(Johnson kept a pistol at home, unregistered because it wasn't the government's goddamn business. If he ever became a freak, he was shooting himself in the goddamn head. Fuck that shit)
(So seven cans, rather than six)
(Johnson ignored the niggling part of his brain reminding him that she was only supposed to do that if the target proved hostile. Of course it was hostile! Nothing so awful could possibly be friendly, and that was a fact)
(Vista, apparently. Johnson hadn't known that before)
(Well, they would, if he had any friends that weren't his three dogs)
(Ignore that she's staring right at you, dude. Coincidence. She's not talking to you, so she's not paying attention to you. Duh)
(Armsmaster glanced at Johnson as he said this, and Johnson congratulated himself for successfully resisting the urge to flip the bird)
Need closing periods.
(Not that Johnson had a tank on him, what with pretending to be a fucking plumber)
(And trying to see if he could identity which skyscraper in the distance Miss Militia was set up on top of with an anti-tank rifle, because that wasn't alarming at all)
(Okay, that was pure fantasy. She'd just assign them some other duty, but frankly Console was looking pretty appealing right about now)
("Because I know you certainly didn't do it while she was here," to which Armsmaster made an acknowledging nod)
(Not that he actually knew the phrase)
First letters shouldn't be capitalized.
He was pretending to be the man of the house in a building that was conveniently owned by a PRT employee already.
Wasn't he supposed to be the driver?
(Johnson didn't know the woman's name. Mary? Milly? Something like that. The rumor mill was that she was perfectly glad to risk her house being trashed in hopes that the it would be trashed so she'd get paid for the damage. She was a secretary? Or maybe she manned the front desk?... Johnson could never remember anybody who wasn't in his squad, a freak, or Director Piggot)
Feels like it shouldn't be parenthetical - he's nervous, but his mind is wandering. (Also, it's missing a period.)
Being bait in a rushed operation sucked worse.
If the previous bit isn't parenthetical, this should get an elliptical trail-in.
Then one of the mini-freaks had phoned in about suspicious activity at Arcadia and their target had been spotted on camera stalking the halls when they followed up and the bigwigs (ie Piggot) had thrown a shitfit and the whole thing was being rushed and goddammit being bait sucked.
I'd use 'but' instead of 'then', to avoid sounding repetitive. And either add about four commas, or rework this paragraph entirely. (Because if he's working up to a tirade, he wouldn't take sidetracks.)
Johnson knew when the bosses were very carefully not saying, "You're fucked, try not to die."
First comma should be a colon instead.
or hell, for Scion to show up and vaporize the freak. He did that sometimes. Just... flew up, grabbed a freak, and poof! They were dust. Great stuff.
Really. Is that referring to the broken core shards he killed? Because I'm pretty sure he canonically works in soup kitchens, stops natural disasters, fights Endbringers, and not much else.
Instead Johnson poured himself coffee. Last of the coffee in the break room. Considered refilling it. Decided it was too much effort. Somebody else could handle it.
Wow, you really don't like this guy.
and it was everyone else's faults
Pretty sure the plural of 'fault' is spelled the same as the singular, but I guess he doesn't know that.
Fr- parahumans always got all the attention.
I'd capitalize the P, but that might be a stylistic thing.
Yeah, this was the You Stupid Fuckups voice.
*amused*
Piggot was clearly not amused. After a pause in which she seemed to be trying to kill Armsmaster with her mind, she shifted gears. "From the top."
*outright laughing*
as best as he could without looking like he was and did his best
Needs a comma after 'was'.
"Yes ma'am, no ma'am, I understand ma'am."
I don't know what he was replying to, so this looks like a very bad coverup.
... they hadn't, not even the cameras ("I was focused on setting up angles on the target house." says Armsmaster) and now everyone's eyes were on Johnson.
Period should probably be removed?
This actually looks quite interestingly stylistic, but I'm not sure it's intentional.
"If her power were a Changer of Breaker state that was rendered inactive by being seen, I would expect Agent Johnson to have not see this state at all," was his concluding statement.
Of should be or, and I'd cut this off at the closequote.
a tentative conclusion that maybe Monster was the target but more likely she lived in the same area as the target and this was one of those unfortunate coincidences that happen sometimes,
That's... really strange. The story she gave them fits all the data, so I'd guess it's just bias against believing the drunk guy no one likes?
Which is hilariously petty, but kind of understandable.
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Arc 2 is now fully edited, which actually was mostly on the order of getting comma placement right.
Whoops, most of this probably isn't helpful then.
 
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Yep. Seems I misremembered his name. A mercenary entrusted with Driving Miss Daisy Mister Calvert because... Well, it's implied that he's some sort of sexual deviant of a morally reprehensible variety, such as a pedophile.
Yes, which makes it impressive that they can't be reconciled. I should be going 'well, that's not what I would've expected, but it's plausible', since there is so little to contradict.
Alright, now I'm confused. I didn't see anything about the Fallen in Worm that was contradicted by Ward.
 
Angle the first is that Wildbow has, in WoG, laid out a lot of 'this is how trigger events tend to correlate to powers'... and what he's laid out tells us that the Locker fits far better to Monster Taylor's power than canon Taylor's power. So I didn't feel like changing the trigger event made sense in this case.
I don't agree with his own analysis. He doesn't seem to get that powers are based on coping methods, for one thing.
Angle the second is that you're possibly talking about Ward's cape psychology stuff here. If you are, not only was this written well before Ward was first posting, but Ward's cape psychology stuff is utter bullshit.
Came up with the whole system before I ever started Ward.
Angle the third is that you're just running a novel, unexplained model of power-to-psychology, in which case I probably disagree with your model, but without specifics I couldn't begin to guess why you are using the model you are using or what its details are.
I need to post it, yeah. Gimme a few minutes.
and pre-opening them gives her a way to notice when such a swap has occurred.
I'm just having trouble picturing the mechanism, is all. It seems too easy to compromise just by looking at the discarded ones.
I've never heard of that WoG and would've ignored it as 'inane and pointless grimderp that makes no sense' even if I had.
Fair enough. "Suicide bomber" may give the wrong impression, though - it seems a bit more along the lines of "heroically sacrifice yourself as a distraction".
I don't follow this logic at all.
Her whole power-identity is "the monster is my true form, which I must keep hidden". Talking about it freely is quite antithetical to that.
... oddly specific for her to hypothesize an imaginary scenario involving one of her primary tormentors, the one who is the more physical of the two, using a power that had reason to be on Taylor's mind anyway? (Because the trip to Arcadia was kicked off in no small part by reading about Vista's power) How does that track?
It might be because I think of powers as strongly bound up in identities, but I'd still expect it to be "general bullying+specific power" or "specific bully+nonspecific power". Also, Sophia hasn't had much focus in this story, whereas general bullying has had a lot.
If you're going to have an issue with this, go take it up with Wildbow. That's ripped pretty much straight from canon, with the only meaningful deviation being that Monster Taylor is more openly and explicitly pessimistic about how much good the Protectorate is doing. Canon Taylor explicitly comments on gay rights being helped by Legend coming out very early in canon.
Ah, it's been a long time since I read that. It does sound vaguely familiar now.
I'm pretty confident I could easily write a horribly corrupt bureaucracy, and I could probably pull off a 'work to rule strike only this is just how everyone operates' bureaucracy more or less fine, but one where the people involved are decent human beings who have friends at the office and whatnot? That's not happening. I have no personal experience with such an environment, and I don't have the mentality to readily hypothesize a model. (The idea of making friends with people who you're working with is just bizarre to me)
I feel sorry for you, but I also find this funny.
That's... exactly what I'm saying in the part you're quoting. Them breaking the rules is a big deal, an indication of how important it is to them to bring down Skitter.
I read it as "the PRT only breaks the code when they think they can get away with it - they broke the code going after Skitter - therefore they thought they could get away with that, for some reason".
 
That's not happening. I have no personal experience with such an environment, and I don't have the mentality to readily hypothesize a model.

One solution to model an environment you have no knowledge of, is to look at TV shows or books with that environment, then model off of them. In this case, The Office would probably work. It gives you a wealth of characters with different motivations, and sort of has the friendly office environment with politics, just needs to be changed up a little.
 
Wasn't he supposed to be the driver?

Armsmaster is in the building, Agent Johnson is the driver.

Really. Is that referring to the broken core shards he killed? Because I'm pretty sure he canonically works in soup kitchens, stops natural disasters, fights Endbringers, and not much else.

If I'm inferring your meaning correctly, yes.

I'm just having trouble picturing the mechanism, is all. It seems too easy to compromise just by looking at the discarded ones.

The... discarded bottles... that will have been opened by definition no matter what?

What?

Fair enough. "Suicide bomber" may give the wrong impression, though - it seems a bit more along the lines of "heroically sacrifice yourself as a distraction".

I figured you weren't being completely literal, but no, it doesn't really change my point.

Her whole power-identity is "the monster is my true form, which I must keep hidden". Talking about it freely is quite antithetical to that.

I mean, I don't view cape psychology as working that way in the first place, but even if I did your logic doesn't hold up: Taylor does keep her monster form hidden from Armsmaster and company, providing a description of her powers that is essentially truthful while leaving out the whole 'oh, and I turn into a monster' part. So... you're complaining she's not doing the thing she literally did.

It might be because I think of powers as strongly bound up in identities, but I'd still expect it to be "general bullying+specific power" or "specific bully+nonspecific power". Also, Sophia hasn't had much focus in this story, whereas general bullying has had a lot.

I view powers and identity as closely tied together, and I don't see how any of the rest of that follows from that premise.

If you really must insist on having an issue with it, you're free to interpret it as a sign that Taylor is subconsciously suspicious that Sophia has powers, but I really don't see any reason to change that bit.

I read it as "the PRT only breaks the code when they think they can get away with it - they broke the code going after Skitter - therefore they thought they could get away with that, for some reason".

That too, sure.

One solution to model an environment you have no knowledge of, is to look at TV shows or books with that environment, then model off of them. In this case, The Office would probably work. It gives you a wealth of characters with different motivations, and sort of has the friendly office environment with politics, just needs to be changed up a little.

I mean yeah, but the one and only series I've ever seen write good faith office politics type stuff is Star Trek: The Next Generation. And there's a bunch of a reasons it's probably not a great starting point, starting from the fact that casting Piggot in the role of Picard, while funny, very obviously doesn't line up at all correctly.

I haven't seriously tried watching stuff trying to depict actual office politics stuff because it's invariably bad faith office politics where the essential premise is that virtually everyone is an asshole, no one is actually trying to do their job, and any exceptions are naive and temporary exceptions. Which makes it deeply unpleasant to watch, in addition to unhelpful to this particular goal.

Alright, now I'm confused. I didn't see anything about the Fallen in Worm that was contradicted by Ward.

Okay, as a concrete, specific example, Ward tells us that the Fallen's higher-tier capes get the privilege of dressing up like a specific Endbringer, with the majority of Fallen being forbidden from such. In particular, not just higher-tier in terms of 'power quality', but in terms of the rank structure. And this is heavily implied to have been true long before Golden Morning, not some change they made after we saw them in Worm.

Meanwhile, back in Worm, we had low-tier randos with absolutely no minions of any kind show up dressed like Endbringers and be dunked on by the Undersiders as complete jokes.

These are not reconcilable. The two setups are mutually exclusive. The events in Worm would not have happened at all if the Fallen setup laid out in Ward were actually true.

This isn't even touching on points like how Ward is revealing the Fallen are an extended community of fucked-up-ness and back in Worm Taylor was treating them as a small cult that doesn't really matter. Like, yeah, you can argue that Taylor's view is incomplete and she might just not realize how extensive the Fallen are... but then canon turned her into a Ward, and never took the opportunity to go 'yeah, Taylor just didn't realize how lucky she was back as Warlord Skitter'.

Or the point that the Fallen as presented in Ward are not only extensive and powerful, but spiteful. Where's the retaliation against the Undersiders for humiliating some of their people, people whom Ward's information would imply must be important members of the Fallen? This was fine back when the Fallen were indicated to be a minor cult that basically ran around fucking shit up for giggles under the guise of a weird religion: that's exactly the kind of mentality I'd expect to conspicuously fail to retaliate because they're basically cowards who just have fun bullying non-parahumans and have no interest fighting someone who hits back. But with Ward's version of the Fallen this is literally unbelievable.

There is no way to reconcile the two short of positing that Worm's Fallen weren't real Fallen, they were fanboys of the Fallen who the cult didn't know or care about.

Which has the key problem that Ward brought back one of them as an explicit member of the Fallen.

Frankly, I have no idea why Wildbow didn't make Ward's Fallen a brand-new cult held together by a crazy person who triggered during or after Golden Morning, completely unrelated to known elements of canon. It would've been a massive improvement with literally no downside.
 
One solution to model an environment you have no knowledge of, is to look at TV shows or books with that environment, then model off of them. In this case, The Office would probably work. It gives you a wealth of characters with different motivations, and sort of has the friendly office environment with politics, just needs to be changed up a little.
"Use The Office as a model for characters who are supposed to be good/competent people" is certainly a novel take, I'll give you that.

Also, the Night/Monster power isn't a Stranger power. It doesn't provide stealth or affect minds at all by itself. It's exactly as Armsmaster describes it. A Changer power inactivated by being seen.
 
"Use The Office as a model for characters who are supposed to be good/competent people" is certainly a novel take, I'll give you that.
Use "Parks and Recreations" as a model of how a town's PRT & Protectorate department is supposed to work would also be pretty entertaining, with Ron Swanson and Leslie Knope heading it Pawnee would be both the most hands off and hands on department in the entire midwest... also a disproportionate amount of Rogues. Also the villains would be people like Rocket Racoon, Fairway Frank The Possum Man... Jon Ralfio... just Jon Ralfio.

Also there's another Guardians of the Galaxy joke in here somewhere.
 
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Okay, as a concrete, specific example, Ward tells us that the Fallen's higher-tier capes get the privilege of dressing up like a specific Endbringer, with the majority of Fallen being forbidden from such. In particular, not just higher-tier in terms of 'power quality', but in terms of the rank structure. And this is heavily implied to have been true long before Golden Morning, not some change they made after we saw them in Worm.

Meanwhile, back in Worm, we had low-tier randos with absolutely no minions of any kind show up dressed like Endbringers and be dunked on by the Undersiders as complete jokes.

These are not reconcilable. The two setups are mutually exclusive. The events in Worm would not have happened at all if the Fallen setup laid out in Ward were actually true.
Wildbow WoG here says that Valefor was looking to establish a new branch of the Fallen (Ctrl + F for "establish" to find the relevant section,) so a lack of minions might just mean he was traveling light, and planned to mindrape a bunch of randos into converting upon arrival. He did have a bunch of people in his thrall when the Undersiders found him, after all. As for the costume matter itself... additional WoG from here says Eligos was a trade into the Mathers branch (Ctrl + F for "slippery" for the relevant paragraph,) that was his powered support on the endeavor. I imagine anyone capable enough for the "travel light" plan would be worthy of such an exclusive option. In which case... Valefor and Eligos getting stomped was a case of the Peter Principle as applied to parahuman murder cults.
This isn't even touching on points like how Ward is revealing the Fallen are an extended community of fucked-up-ness and back in Worm Taylor was treating them as a small cult that doesn't really matter. Like, yeah, you can argue that Taylor's view is incomplete and she might just not realize how extensive the Fallen are... but then canon turned her into a Ward, and never took the opportunity to go 'yeah, Taylor just didn't realize how lucky she was back as Warlord Skitter'.
A lot of things dramatically more relevant to the narrative could have happened during Taylor's time as a Ward and didn't, such as character development for her teammates. While Taylor being retrospective as she benefits from the resources of the Wards and Protectorate would've made good story, the lack thereof is more of a failing of Wildbow's minimalist approach to the chronological majority of Taylor's cape career, rather than of consistent representation of the Fallen.
Or the point that the Fallen as presented in Ward are not only extensive and powerful, but spiteful. Where's the retaliation against the Undersiders for humiliating some of their people, people whom Ward's information would imply must be important members of the Fallen? This was fine back when the Fallen were indicated to be a minor cult that basically ran around fucking shit up for giggles under the guise of a weird religion: that's exactly the kind of mentality I'd expect to conspicuously fail to retaliate because they're basically cowards who just have fun bullying non-parahumans and have no interest fighting someone who hits back. But with Ward's version of the Fallen this is literally unbelievable.
Coil called Kaiser and explicitly told him that he was the one who unmasked the Empire, but the latter still let his capes rampage against the heroes and the Undersiders, because it was more useful. While the Undersiders did most of the legwork in bringing down Valefor and Eligos, it was Haven that took them into custody. Which is more useful for the leadership of the Fallen: A spite-stomp on a city geographically distant from their support base, or a fresh rallying cry against an inter-state hero team in their own backyard? If my Peter Principle Theory fits, prioritizing Haven over the Undersiders has the added bonus of shifting focus away from Valefor's reckless overconfidence biting him and Eligos both in the ass in favor of the matter of the capes being in custody.
 
If I'm inferring your meaning correctly, yes.
I was saying that Zion doesn't seem to have disintegrated any humans in canon, but rather killed shards themselves. I rather doubt he'd have such good PR otherwise.
The... discarded bottles... that will have been opened by definition no matter what?

What?
Brainglitch; I meant 'stolen'.
I mean, I don't view cape psychology as working that way in the first place, but even if I did your logic doesn't hold up: Taylor does keep her monster form hidden from Armsmaster and company, providing a description of her powers that is essentially truthful while leaving out the whole 'oh, and I turn into a monster' part. So... you're complaining she's not doing the thing she literally did.
I'm complaining that it doesn't seem to bother her to even give that much. Also I thought the "I turn into a monster" part was implied.
I view powers and identity as closely tied together, and I don't see how any of the rest of that follows from that premise.
Thinking of Sophia Hess in Vista's costume is at least a little incongruous, no? Thinking that Vista will turn out to be a jerk is just understandable paranoia, while thinking that Vista will turn out to be Sophia Hess is enough for a mental spit-take.
Okay, as a concrete, specific example, Ward tells us that the Fallen's higher-tier capes get the privilege of dressing up like a specific Endbringer, with the majority of Fallen being forbidden from such. In particular, not just higher-tier in terms of 'power quality', but in terms of the rank structure. And this is heavily implied to have been true long before Golden Morning, not some change they made after we saw them in Worm.
I don't remember that from Ward. Also, I don't know that their high-tiers have minions very often, or whether that changed after the apocalypse.
and never took the opportunity to go 'yeah, Taylor just didn't realize how lucky she was back as Warlord Skitter'.
Not sure a bunch of normals would have helped - Taylor is an effective armyfighter. Not sure more capes would have helped, either; it was ostensibly a scouting mission and Valefor is really powerful.
Also, there are a lot of things you'd really expect the timeskip to touch on which it doesn't.
Or the point that the Fallen as presented in Ward are not only extensive and powerful, but spiteful. Where's the retaliation against the Undersiders for humiliating some of their people, people whom Ward's information would imply must be important members of the Fallen? This was fine back when the Fallen were indicated to be a minor cult that basically ran around fucking shit up for giggles under the guise of a weird religion: that's exactly the kind of mentality I'd expect to conspicuously fail to retaliate because they're basically cowards who just have fun bullying non-parahumans and have no interest fighting someone who hits back. But with Ward's version of the Fallen this is literally unbelievable.
Fair enough. I'd reconcile those by saying that the Fallen in Ward have a lot more actually-back-you-up-in-a-scrap allies than in Worm, so their entire ethos has changed. But that might be contradicted by how big they are on their own!
Frankly, I have no idea why Wildbow didn't make Ward's Fallen a brand-new cult held together by a crazy person who triggered during or after Golden Morning, completely unrelated to known elements of canon. It would've been a massive improvement with literally no downside.
If it was completely new, it wouldn't have had the Valefor fight or Rain's backstory. If it was a reinvention based on remnants, though...
Also, the Night/Monster power isn't a Stranger power. It doesn't provide stealth or affect minds at all by itself. It's exactly as Armsmaster describes it. A Changer power inactivated by being seen.
Brute-Stranger in mentality, Breaker in terms of combat challenge. (I interpret Breaker as "sometimes powerless, sometimes powerful".)
 
Brute-Stranger in mentality, Breaker in terms of combat challenge. (I interpret Breaker as "sometimes powerless, sometimes powerful".)
Applying the same Class-words to two different things (mentality and powers) seems like a recipe for confusion.

Also, that's literally nothing like what Breaker actually means in canon.
 
"Use The Office as a model for characters who are supposed to be good/competent people" is certainly a novel take, I'll give you that.
I've often considered the idea of basing a PRT and Protectorate office off of Archer (specifically the seasons where they were their own intelligence agency). Basing the PRT Director off of Mallory Archer, with Sterling Archer as the Protectorate leader, Lana as his second, with Ray, Pam and Krieger as members of the Protectorate team with Cheryl/Carol and Cyril as PRT office staff.

Sadly, I don't have the chops or the will to write parody of that magnitude.
 
A thought: there would be significant differences between pre-apocalypse and post-apocalypse Endbringer cult structure.
 
I mean yeah, but the one and only series I've ever seen write good faith office politics type stuff is Star Trek: The Next Generation. And there's a bunch of a reasons it's probably not a great starting point, starting from the fact that casting Piggot in the role of Picard, while funny, very obviously doesn't line up at all correctly.

I haven't seriously tried watching stuff trying to depict actual office politics stuff because it's invariably bad faith office politics where the essential premise is that virtually everyone is an asshole, no one is actually trying to do their job, and any exceptions are naive and temporary exceptions. Which makes it deeply unpleasant to watch, in addition to unhelpful to this particular goal.
I've been watching some of those Reddit Horror Stories on youtube, some of them are good examples that show how just a single person in a strategic position can turn an organization that runs like a well oiled machine into the complete chaos of a trainwreck in a believable fashion.

Conversely, EA games, and several big-name developers in the video game and media industries (and don't get me started on politics) are a fantastic example of what happens when too much money and not enough accountabeility mix with the inflated egos of what ammount to overpaid paper pushers. On a broader scale.

Whenever I'm trying to write corruption and incompetence, that's my starting place.

Okay, as a concrete, specific example, Ward tells us that the Fallen's higher-tier capes get the privilege of dressing up like a specific Endbringer, with the majority of Fallen being forbidden from such. In particular, not just higher-tier in terms of 'power quality', but in terms of the rank structure. And this is heavily implied to have been true long before Golden Morning, not some change they made after we saw them in Worm.

Meanwhile, back in Worm, we had low-tier randos with absolutely no minions of any kind show up dressed like Endbringers and be dunked on by the Undersiders as complete jokes.

These are not reconcilable. The two setups are mutually exclusive. The events in Worm would not have happened at all if the Fallen setup laid out in Ward were actually true.

This isn't even touching on points like how Ward is revealing the Fallen are an extended community of fucked-up-ness and back in Worm Taylor was treating them as a small cult that doesn't really matter. Like, yeah, you can argue that Taylor's view is incomplete and she might just not realize how extensive the Fallen are... but then canon turned her into a Ward, and never took the opportunity to go 'yeah, Taylor just didn't realize how lucky she was back as Warlord Skitter'.

Or the point that the Fallen as presented in Ward are not only extensive and powerful, but spiteful. Where's the retaliation against the Undersiders for humiliating some of their people, people whom Ward's information would imply must be important members of the Fallen? This was fine back when the Fallen were indicated to be a minor cult that basically ran around fucking shit up for giggles under the guise of a weird religion: that's exactly the kind of mentality I'd expect to conspicuously fail to retaliate because they're basically cowards who just have fun bullying non-parahumans and have no interest fighting someone who hits back. But with Ward's version of the Fallen this is literally unbelievable.

There is no way to reconcile the two short of positing that Worm's Fallen weren't real Fallen, they were fanboys of the Fallen who the cult didn't know or care about.

Which has the key problem that Ward brought back one of them as an explicit member of the Fallen.

Frankly, I have no idea why Wildbow didn't make Ward's Fallen a brand-new cult held together by a crazy person who triggered during or after Golden Morning, completely unrelated to known elements of canon. It would've been a massive improvement with literally no downside.
Dude.

I already told you why the Fallen were written like that. Wildbow needed villains that could excuse Cauldron's (and to a lesser extent the PRT/P's) rampant and widespread ineptitude and so designed the version of the Fallen we see in Ward specifically around the idea of inhibiting them from acting on what was a huge threat.

Naturally and logically, he had to make them a huge threat too, and like a lot of things in Worm, he let the cool factor lead when common sense should have been at the helm. Also, he sucks at designing organic motivations and nuance (at least on a bigger scale, when it isn't a main character) so he defaulted to a stereotype.

Hence an overpowered superpowered bunch of what a sheltered citydweller thinks rednecks in america are like.
 
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Applying the same Class-words to two different things (mentality and powers) seems like a recipe for confusion.
Probably, but I don't have a better solution - even if I could think up good seperate names for the tactical roles and the mental roles, most people would know half of them at best. And mentality does usually correlate to powers-from-a-tactical-standpoint.
Also, that's literally nothing like what Breaker actually means in canon.
Well, there's Legend's breaker state which is basically invincible. There's Night herself. And... I think that's it until Ward, which gives us Prancer.
Wait no, I'm forgetting the Houston capes. Wanton was definitely considered a Breaker, and Annex might have been - I don't remember. And on the S9 there was Night Hag, who apparently stayed in her breaker state all the time.
Then again, I think Hooligan (very clearly a Mover otherwise) was implied to count as a Breaker. So confusion is understandable.
Moving to less-common material, I think the PRT Quest definitions said Breaker means "can access an empowered state". Since that makes way more sense than "breaks the normal rules", it's the one I'm going with.
 
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Well, there's Legend's breaker state which is basically invincible. There's Night herself. And... I think that's it until Ward, which gives us Prancer.
Wait no, I'm forgetting the Houston capes. Wanton was definitely considered a Breaker, and Annex might have been - I don't remember. And on the S9 there was Night Hag, who apparently stayed in her breaker state all the time.
Then again, I think Hooligan (very clearly a Mover otherwise) was implied to count as a Breaker. So confusion is understandable.
Moving to less-common material, I think the PRT Quest definitions said Breaker means "can access an empowered state". Since that makes way more sense than "breaks the normal rules", it's the one I'm going with.
Acidbath had a Breaker rating, being one of those in the Breaker/Changer middlegrounds. There's also Lustrum, Velocity, Shadow Stalker, and Brandish.
 
Probably, but I don't have a better solution - even if I could think up good seperate names for the tactical roles and the mental roles, most people would know half of them at best. And mentality does usually correlate to powers-from-a-tactical-standpoint.

Well, there's Legend's breaker state which is basically invincible. There's Night herself. And... I think that's it until Ward, which gives us Prancer.
Wait no, I'm forgetting the Houston capes. Wanton was definitely considered a Breaker, and Annex might have been - I don't remember. And on the S9 there was Night Hag, who apparently stayed in her breaker state all the time.
Then again, I think Hooligan (very clearly a Mover otherwise) was implied to count as a Breaker. So confusion is understandable.
Moving to less-common material, I think the PRT Quest definitions said Breaker means "can access an empowered state". Since that makes way more sense than "breaks the normal rules", it's the one I'm going with.

Breaker is one of those 'what the fuck was Wildbow thinking when he decided this was a good category of thing?' classes but the gist of it is that a breaker power is a power that revolves around changing the way that the user interacts with the world. Technically speaking every single Cape is a breaker but what Wildbow/The PRT seem to actually mean when referring to breakers is 'people that turn into things which break rules.' As a classification it's about as sensible as the ever nebulous Master or Stranger categories.

Here's a few canon Breakers you've missed which help explain how poorly thought out the whole thing is; Shadow Stalker has a breaker form, Velocity is a breaker, Purity has a breaker form, Brandish has a breaker form, Fenja and Menja are both breakers, Lustrum has a breaker form, etc.

Attempting to categorise powers that can land you in the breaker group:

1. The ability to turn into an energy form (Legend, Purity, Ash Beast, Wanton).
2. The ability to turn into a gas (Shadow Stalker, Fog).
3. The ability to turn into solid forms with anomalous properties (Lustrum, Brandish, Night).
4. The ability to turn into a liquid (Acid Bath).
5. The ability to not be affected properly by the world around you (Velocity, Fenja, Menja)
6. The ability to become your environment (Annex).

The only meaningful similarity I can synthesise here is that breaker means something along the lines of 'physically hitting this person will be challenging in a way that is dissimilar to hitting a brute.'
 
Everything works out pretty nice though. So it was Vista then? Here I was thinking it could have been Dinah as well. She's a younger girl with thinker-esque powers. But then, does she even go to Arcadia? I could swear I'd read that somewhere, but it was probably, most definitely fanfiction.
Yeah, we get very little on her background.
And if everybody - and she herself - stop considering her human, we can re-enact "Beauty and the Beast"! With Regent as Belle!
Where did this come from? Regent is a really interesting character, but he doesn't seem notably attracted to monsters, and only loosely attracted to wealth (which Monster wouldn't necessarily have).
Is it just because he's really pretty? If so; fair.
A brief history of Barret Johnson
Is this threadmarked anywhere? It's pretty interesting.
(While she's got perfect makeup, a fashionista dress that can't possibly be keeping her warm enough for Canadian winter, and hair only marginally less amazing than his)
(I honestly can't believe drape-girl isn't freezing to death)
(I very carefully do not think about the possibility that I just killed an innocent man rather than Heartbreaker)
Need closing periods.
(It's not a long wait -not many people are interested in braving the chill past sundown, I've noticed, not on foot anyway)
First letters shouldn't be capitalized.
Her monologue falters for a moment, and then picks up louder than ever. She has a smile like the proverbial cat that ate the canary, suddenly. She was smiling earlier, yes, but it was different, in some way I can't fully quantify. Odd.
Ah, this is Cherish manipulating Taylor into killing her dad. I guess this version of Heartbreaker isn't good at detecting threats?
she probably dresses ugly and hasn't even noticed it,
Oh curse it she's talking about Taylor not her Dad's latest conquest.
He grunts, mumbles something I can't really make out, and then says a bit more loudly, "I've told you before, don't talk about it like that outside." They're passing under the tree. I'm pretty sure that's the only reason I heard him at all, he's a lot quieter than the chatterbox. Also: holy shit. His voice is like someone bottled... I dunno, something sexy. And then concentrated it. And then concentrated that. And this what he sounds like when he's annoyed, holy shit, I would buy tapes of him just nattering on about anything, why is this guy not doing porn or even on the radio or something, holy shit. I try to imagine what he'd sound like if he were trying to ooze sex appeal, and my brain blows a fuse.

Suddenly I have an idea of why drape-girl's head is laying on his shoulder, ear almost touching his jaw, awkward pose be damned.

Looking contrite in a very fake looking way -wait, shit, they've gotten to the other side, I can't see their faces anymore, they're going to be out of my hearing soon- the chatterbox apologetically says, "Sorry daddy, I forget sometimes it's supposed to be a secret, the way we live."

He grunts again, which thankfully doesn't provoke that absurd response from me, and then grumbles out something I can't make out but sounds like it might be, "Don't do it again." Gooodddd I am tempted to follow him just to hear him grumble moodily some more.

Oh wait, I'm following him anyway. Right. Okay. Awesome. I have a good excuse! Reason.

That.

I wait until there's a decent gap in the foot traffic (It's not a long wait -not many people are interested in braving the chill past sundown, I've noticed, not on foot anyway) and then return to the rooftops to resume stalking him. If I'm a little less careful about staying out of sight... well, he's probably Heartbreaker. I can't risk losing track of him.
This was stunningly creepy, which I found very impressive.
My first impulse is to leap to the street, break down the door, and charge in to kill him, but I rein it in. I'd rather sneak up on and assassinate the man rather than risking him noticing me and Mastering me.
Burn the house down! Sabotage the fire escape! Forget that you can't save civilians reliably as the monster! ...Wait.
...No, maybe that's still your best plan.
I leap back onto the roof before anybody spots me again. I don't need people calling up the local PRT office -and there is one in Toronto- and derailing this assassination.
I thought Protectorate wasn't technically international like the Wardens. I thought there was PRT in Alaska, but not Canada proper.
This would be where I'd breathe a sigh of relief as T- the girl.
I'd expect a longer slipup here, where she's distracted. Probably a full name, with the correction in the next sentence.
After a long, slow, torturous minute, I have the staircase down to its fully unfolded position.
That'd compromise stealth a fair bit, if it's a zigzag-folded ladder like I'm familiar with. I'd expect a half-unfold and then to slip out.
Way the hell too much time later, I've gotten the attic door closed back up, quietly, except it thumped at the end and I'd have winced but none of them reacted so it's fine, and I crept into the bedroom, unlatched the window and slid it open a little just in case, and tilted the bedroom door mostly closed. Thankfully, it didn't creak. Now I'm positioned to peek through the gap as invisibly as possible.
I misread that as hiding in the bathroom, and was confused by how bad a plan it was - a rephrase might be in order. (It's still not a good plan; the risk of them all heading to the shower was significant.)
Finally, I am confused by how Nikos couldn't sense her and wasn't on guard, even though he affected her. Does this version just have a "women think I am very attractive" aura?
 
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