Nah, pretty much anything with access to its own essence can gain power from worship. Gods have responsibilities for particular parts of creation and expect to be paid in prayer but they are not the only things worth praying to. Anything with power over you or capable of helping you will likely be better disposed towards you for the worship and if they are already taking up your cause then the power may be used directly for your benefit. A Solar acting as hero for the whole community definitely counts.
Memoirs of a Human Flashlight Thread 2: Now with more Arguments! [Exalted/Worm]
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Finagle007
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True enough, but an Exalt doesn't really need quintessence or ambrosia. They're useful, but not nearly as essential (heh) as the increased rate of mote and Willpower recovery. Especially as Taylor doesn't know to keep Chaos-Repelling Prana active as often as possible...
... Quintessence and Ambrosia are trivial ways to acquire Jade. Ambrosia created by praying to the Incarnae allows you to create their own Magical Materials.
And even discounting that, both materials make excellent sources of raw materials, be it high quality steels, porcelain, soils, wood or pretty much anything you may want to use for craft so long as it's not something that's an arcane ingredient. And even then they can count as ingredients on their own.
To anyone with a head for crafting or economical manipulation (hello kilograms of rare earths that cost more than their weight in gold) Quintessence and Ambrosia are some of the best things you can get.
And even discounting that, both materials make excellent sources of raw materials, be it high quality steels, porcelain, soils, wood or pretty much anything you may want to use for craft so long as it's not something that's an arcane ingredient. And even then they can count as ingredients on their own.
To anyone with a head for crafting or economical manipulation (hello kilograms of rare earths that cost more than their weight in gold) Quintessence and Ambrosia are some of the best things you can get.
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earthboy
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So prayers to the Maidens allow Starmetal without any god-smiting?
That seems to break a conceit of the setting, and an important limitation on Sidereals.
The whole idea of Starmetal being divine Soulsteel is getting discarded entirely in 3E, so it apparently isn't viewed to be all that vital.
As for the Ambrosia thing, you still have to convince at least one of the Maidens to give it up, or rob them, neither of which can really be considered to be easy.
Well it would have to be a prayer to a maiden, and then the maiden would have to give up the resultant ambrosia, and not much can force an incarna. But yes, ambrosia breaks economics hard, esspecialy given essence prayers and such. There is an ammusing nigerian price scam version of this in exalted where a circle of exalts finds a god and arranges to pray to him with an essence prayer, generating tons of ambrosia for that god, who then hands 90% of it to the exalts. Anyway this is way off topic as taylor doesn't have a lot of contacts with gods.
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It was gotten rid of in 2E wasn't it? I thought it was only in 1E that Gods turned into Starmetal when they died and it was their Star of Destiny falling when they die that provides the Starmetal in 2E?
Nope, in 2e both things happened.
It's 3rd Edition that's axing that line of thinking.
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Huh, So what would stop the Sidereals from just harvesting the Star of Destiny directly instead of killing the God?
There is 1 Charm that makes it possible to kick stars from the firmament without killing the appropriate god, and that one is an Uncounqered Sun Panoply Charm.
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Well why not repupose one of the heavenly fleet Airship thingies they use to blow up big Yozi cults and turn it into a essence spaceship to land on said star and harvest the Starmetal or would damaging the star kill the God?
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Mining the stars in the sky while they are still directly connected to fate will probably cause all kinds of nasty problems.
If you really need Starmetal that badly, there are safer and saner ways to get it. Like enslaving Solars and forcing them to produce it using Wyld-Shaping Technique.
Finagle007
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Truly, it is a sad day when a Chosen of the Unconquered Sun believes they are not worthy of public veneration...
Only gods actually hear the content of the prayers. Exalts just get the boosted Essence and WP regen. (There is a Sorcery spell that lets Exalts hear when people are talking about them, which includes prayers, though.)
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Also, one of the First Age Solars designed a language so that any use of it counted as a prayer to him.
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Finagle007
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Don't forget Cecelyne Charms. Also, any being with any iteration of (Primordial/Yozi) Primordial/Yozi-Body Unity, with the Essence 7 repurchase, can hear prayers to themselves from anywhere in existence, without being a spirit.
Chloe Sullivan
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Pretty sure no one sane wants those charms.
Finagle007
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WHAT?! Why would you NOT want that charm?! The first purchase alone makes the Exalt immune to any attack that can't hit both material and immaterial targets, and the second purchase removes the need for food, air and sleep, along with the prayer function. It doesn't require (Primordial/Yozi) Cosmic Principle, just the appropriate First (Primordial/Yozi) Excellency.
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You also start turning into that Yozi, so... no thanks?
earthboy
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Heh. I'd personally argue that you started turning into that Yozi when you took its Excellency.
Also, I'd argue that turning into a Dyson sphere is probably kind of awesome.
There are thaumaturgical procedures that tell the nearest Solar 'there's someone here that needs your help, go fix.' By the late First Age noone but the highest ranked functionaries were allowed to use it, because they kept being called for whatever they found to be a waste of their time.
As Jerkface noted, that starts to happen the moment you start taking up Yozi Charms, Excellencies are merely where it begins. Admittedly, it doesn't get obvious until you start acquiring the 'my mind now works in this way' Charms...
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Turning into a Yozi only becomes permanent once you pick up [Primordial/Yozi] Cosmic Principle. Yozi-Body Unity, as a general charm, should be convertible into a Devil-Tiger equivalent, in which case you turn into... yourself.
Finagle007
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Yup. You can even create a personal (Primordial) Cosmic Principle once you hit Essence 10 which, since it defines you as being you, DOESN'T cause you to lose your Exaltation and its' benefits. It would just reconfigure your personal and peripheral mote pools into a single personal pool with a capacity of 1000 motes, and open up development of personal equivalents of charms with (Primordial) Cosmic Principle as prerequisite. (It would also condemn you to becoming a Neverborn if permanently killed, unless/until they fix Lethe to allow a Primordial to reincarnate...)