Magical Girl Monster Quest
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
[X] Intervene?
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
-[x] "Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals."
Maximum Pride? Maximum Pride.
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
-[x] "Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals."
Maximum Pride? Maximum Pride.
boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Hungry
So the White one is King of the Suits or Lawmakers? At least we know red is anarchy.
And yes, we were supposed to establish the Circle in Japan. That was one of our goals at the beginning. It's why we were sent here.
Meaning we should have assasinated Princess Heart already! And possibly Water! Then summoned as many Human-possessing Youma as possible and make it seem like the Princesses were an operation trying to take over the world by using their minions to make them seem needed, which broke down after Heart died! Seriously, we've been here a while! Besides surviving, surveillance, and sort-of contacts, we need to get something done!
In theory.
However:
Fastest way to mission fail. We're nowhere near in position to do that without simply getting eliminated. We've been here TWO DAYS.
I expect at least a couple of months before they start bothering with getting status updates, considering the town is positively infested with forces of good, enough that they crush anyone going loud before too long.
boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Hungry
All we actually have to do is hire one international assassin! (International= professional+far away= once they leave, unlikely to get caught) And then, all we have to do is hire some thugs (anonymously) to destroy and disperse her remains to make it slightly harder to resurect her.
All we have to do is take advantage of the lack of common sense in this type of setting (i.e. Lack of snipers hired) to pull off an "unorthodox" attack that should turn out relatively untraceable.
Especially if we hire the sniper anonymously.
And we have to do it as soon as possible. The longer we wait, the more power the MG's have a chance to accumulate. Good guys or not, they really are like an infestation. And you don't deal with termites by letting them reach the numbers needed to eat the house before you call an exterminator because "something else might eat them and save me the money."
Also, one of the most dangerous groups is the Choir. They are relatively weak, but highly experienced. And while the Princesses are likely to have a while before gaining attacks that home in on people and identify them, they are fighting more people every day, encountering new things such as a Youma who possesses people. They are growing no matter what. We need to limit that. Killing Heart means they have no way of stopping possession, removes the member who really holds their team together, and is killing a member who likely never did much in fights anyway, so they won't learn many new tricks to make up for her absence.
Destabilizing the team at this stage in their growth allows a strike at the beginning; namely, before people learn to trust them, they are framed as the villains. Whoever is summoning actual Youma (noted to be an extremely powerful summoner to summon their Physical Forms, instead of possessing spirits) will likely play along, summoning tons of possessed with specific instructions.
While some more genre-saavy people will figure it out, the Princesses are on bad terms with the authorities because they openly state an intention to conquer the world. They are tolerated, Word of Questmaster, because they keep the Youma from doing whatever they want. If the aforementioned Youma seem to be their fault? The authorities will want to imprison or kill them. After all, a frame-up the masses believe is cliche, and life isn't a story, so surely this must be real!
Later, have tons of possessed gather in a square and beg for their masters' (mistresses?) help. Have them recieve a "sign" based on the 5 Elements left, and take this as a signal to start destroying the city. When the Princesses give in to their MG instincts and show up, have the Youma obey them, except when commanded to tell them who they work for. ("We serve you loyally, Princess Earth! We swear we have betrayed you to no master! Look! We will gladly destroy this city we once protected, as you have ordered, to show our devotion!")
Have the Youma seem like stupid minions who have been brain damaged or empty charmed- some reason for them to forget this is a secret. Maybe have one Master Youma arrive, apologize to the Princesses, and explain, since their cover is blown anyway, that they were in an (experiment/attack/write-in) that caused this, and that his associates are not trying to ruin the Princesses' plans. Then he begs them not to kill them.
Eventually, a Princess is going to command a Youma to leave the body it is in. The Youma will look thankful, and say, "Yes, Princess. Thank you Princess."
After that, arrange a car accident or something "accidental" to remove the Princesses when not powered up. All at once, in a believable fashion.
Then spread rumors (especially on the internet. Anonymous, and can spread info fast. Fantastic for control of the Rumor Mill). The Princesses have vanished to perpetuate a new plot. Those people died, and it is sad. Also get a second email so that you can set up a different set of anyonymous accounts on forums and the like. Start rumors about how those people were really the Princesses, and how they were framed. Make it Black-and-White, so people choose one or the other. Than use poor logic and an abundance of evidence from stories, used poorly. Use Victor's social skills to play people's need to believe that life isn't a story, and equate the argument that the Princesses were those people who died with life being a story.
Than create a third email (computer, Gmail, Yahoo, Bing, Personal) and set of accounts and argue that the Princesses are really alive, and those poor girls, and that they faked their deaths. Split it between "they were evil" and "they were good," note how story MGs would never let their parents think they were dead if they were good, etc. That should split up the crowd, and the accusations against people's now dead friends should allow some interesting social opportunities on Victor's end at school.
There are so many opportunities created by the death of Heart and removal of the most powerful, likely most naive MG group- the new one with the most potential. Not to mention that at the beginning of the thread, basically everyone's plan was "assassinate the Heart." Now she's named, and there's a number of benefits of doing so, people aren't aren't focused on doing so?
Aaaaargh!
Also, apparently killing Heart and dispersing her remains to prevent "miraculous survival" is seen as excessive?
I still have an issue with that one.
All we have to do is take advantage of the lack of common sense in this type of setting (i.e. Lack of snipers hired) to pull off an "unorthodox" attack that should turn out relatively untraceable.
Especially if we hire the sniper anonymously.
And we have to do it as soon as possible. The longer we wait, the more power the MG's have a chance to accumulate. Good guys or not, they really are like an infestation. And you don't deal with termites by letting them reach the numbers needed to eat the house before you call an exterminator because "something else might eat them and save me the money."
Also, one of the most dangerous groups is the Choir. They are relatively weak, but highly experienced. And while the Princesses are likely to have a while before gaining attacks that home in on people and identify them, they are fighting more people every day, encountering new things such as a Youma who possesses people. They are growing no matter what. We need to limit that. Killing Heart means they have no way of stopping possession, removes the member who really holds their team together, and is killing a member who likely never did much in fights anyway, so they won't learn many new tricks to make up for her absence.
Destabilizing the team at this stage in their growth allows a strike at the beginning; namely, before people learn to trust them, they are framed as the villains. Whoever is summoning actual Youma (noted to be an extremely powerful summoner to summon their Physical Forms, instead of possessing spirits) will likely play along, summoning tons of possessed with specific instructions.
While some more genre-saavy people will figure it out, the Princesses are on bad terms with the authorities because they openly state an intention to conquer the world. They are tolerated, Word of Questmaster, because they keep the Youma from doing whatever they want. If the aforementioned Youma seem to be their fault? The authorities will want to imprison or kill them. After all, a frame-up the masses believe is cliche, and life isn't a story, so surely this must be real!
Later, have tons of possessed gather in a square and beg for their masters' (mistresses?) help. Have them recieve a "sign" based on the 5 Elements left, and take this as a signal to start destroying the city. When the Princesses give in to their MG instincts and show up, have the Youma obey them, except when commanded to tell them who they work for. ("We serve you loyally, Princess Earth! We swear we have betrayed you to no master! Look! We will gladly destroy this city we once protected, as you have ordered, to show our devotion!")
Have the Youma seem like stupid minions who have been brain damaged or empty charmed- some reason for them to forget this is a secret. Maybe have one Master Youma arrive, apologize to the Princesses, and explain, since their cover is blown anyway, that they were in an (experiment/attack/write-in) that caused this, and that his associates are not trying to ruin the Princesses' plans. Then he begs them not to kill them.
Eventually, a Princess is going to command a Youma to leave the body it is in. The Youma will look thankful, and say, "Yes, Princess. Thank you Princess."
After that, arrange a car accident or something "accidental" to remove the Princesses when not powered up. All at once, in a believable fashion.
Then spread rumors (especially on the internet. Anonymous, and can spread info fast. Fantastic for control of the Rumor Mill). The Princesses have vanished to perpetuate a new plot. Those people died, and it is sad. Also get a second email so that you can set up a different set of anyonymous accounts on forums and the like. Start rumors about how those people were really the Princesses, and how they were framed. Make it Black-and-White, so people choose one or the other. Than use poor logic and an abundance of evidence from stories, used poorly. Use Victor's social skills to play people's need to believe that life isn't a story, and equate the argument that the Princesses were those people who died with life being a story.
Than create a third email (computer, Gmail, Yahoo, Bing, Personal) and set of accounts and argue that the Princesses are really alive, and those poor girls, and that they faked their deaths. Split it between "they were evil" and "they were good," note how story MGs would never let their parents think they were dead if they were good, etc. That should split up the crowd, and the accusations against people's now dead friends should allow some interesting social opportunities on Victor's end at school.
There are so many opportunities created by the death of Heart and removal of the most powerful, likely most naive MG group- the new one with the most potential. Not to mention that at the beginning of the thread, basically everyone's plan was "assassinate the Heart." Now she's named, and there's a number of benefits of doing so, people aren't aren't focused on doing so?
Aaaaargh!
Also, apparently killing Heart and dispersing her remains to prevent "miraculous survival" is seen as excessive?
I still have an issue with that one.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
I have no interest in overindulging in "SV Competence", as you seem inclined to do.
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boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Hungry
But competence is awesome! Plus, it means you win!
*Sing-song voice, like offering a treat*
Don't you want to win?
Also survive. And in any case, we take Pride in our competence! Just who are you to say we should ape the inferiority of the masses?
*Sing-song voice, like offering a treat*
Don't you want to win?
Also survive. And in any case, we take Pride in our competence! Just who are you to say we should ape the inferiority of the masses?
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Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
What @LostDeviljho refers to as "SV Competence" is, more often than not, not competence at all.
Also, I'm only speaking for myself here, but I want to have fun while questing. Acting like a murderhobo isn't fun to me. And no, that's not the only way of 'winning'!
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boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
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- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Hungry
It's not the only way. Just the most likely way.
Also, a murderhobo would be a PC, i.e. Charge up and attempt to kill her themselves. Using a sniper is just competent, which we are prideful over being.
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LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
competence
frozenchicken
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For a longer answer, you're suggesting the most direct path to victory, with just barely enough subterfuge to give a faint hope of not being figured out. (Directness and subterfuge often don't work well together, because directness gets people on high alert).
Now, note that I say faint hope, because a) other people can be smart too, b) you are almost certainly underestimating how BS some of the magic powers around here are, especially since we haven't even got enough data on the other players yet, c) facts will become MUCH easier to figure out if any part of your overly-complex plan fails (not limited to-we fail the assassination, we fail to prevent a resurrection attempt, we fail to get the youma summoner onside, the magical girls are good enough at PR to counter a stunt that flies in the face of all established evidence that youma and MGs are enemies, the youma turn out to be bad actors, a large-scale assassination after an obvious barrage of enemy action doesn't catch them off guard, etc), oh and d) we haven't yet got enough data to figure out if there's an easier path to victory.
And for the 'Worm' fans in the audience, this also brilliantly sums up the problem I have with PtV. The swiftest path to victory is by no means the best. Especially once anything at all about the plan starts to go south.
Now, note that I say faint hope, because a) other people can be smart too, b) you are almost certainly underestimating how BS some of the magic powers around here are, especially since we haven't even got enough data on the other players yet, c) facts will become MUCH easier to figure out if any part of your overly-complex plan fails (not limited to-we fail the assassination, we fail to prevent a resurrection attempt, we fail to get the youma summoner onside, the magical girls are good enough at PR to counter a stunt that flies in the face of all established evidence that youma and MGs are enemies, the youma turn out to be bad actors, a large-scale assassination after an obvious barrage of enemy action doesn't catch them off guard, etc), oh and d) we haven't yet got enough data to figure out if there's an easier path to victory.
And for the 'Worm' fans in the audience, this also brilliantly sums up the problem I have with PtV. The swiftest path to victory is by no means the best. Especially once anything at all about the plan starts to go south.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Killing the good guys isn't winning, it's killing the only interesting people around here.
We'll do what we want.
We'll do what we want.
- Location
- La La Land
MAXIMUM PRIDE GO GO GO!
[X] Intervene?
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
"Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals.
Of course, if you disagree, you are welcome to challenge my presumption. As matter of fact, I quite look forward to it."
- [X] Kill the last wolves in a dynamic entry. None of your subjects shall die.
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
"Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals.
Of course, if you disagree, you are welcome to challenge my presumption. As matter of fact, I quite look forward to it."
- [X] Kill the last wolves in a dynamic entry. None of your subjects shall die.
boo600
Ego sum egredietur tempestas.
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Hungry
I'm not assuming I know anything about the MG's abilities. I'm merely noting that in the genre, they are likely to recover from things as paltry as death, and that there are certain precautions that can be taken. And our own observations support Heart as the one who keeps Earth and Fire from each other's throats.
And could the Youma summoner be prideful, or bad actors?
Yes.
But as long as we hide our face and name from the Youma we summon, there is no way to trace any of this back to us. And considering the Homunculus, Kagemusha, Wrecker Infiltrator, Youma Summoner, Nightmares that could randomly possess humans once they reach mastermind level, and other creatures we likely know nothing about, there's a lot of other factions that the other factions can blame.
The "Quick Strike" has a good chance of killing Heart, at the least, and if the rest of the "slander" plan works, the Princesses will have been dealt a blow in ability to publicly operate. Not to mention the opportunities, during that time, that appear if they are killed.
All in all, the plan is very unlikely to draw any more attention to Victor Crowne, especially considering he's already on the Kagemusha hitlist and Wrecker recruitment watch, and a reasonable chance at destroying one of the more powerful enemy factions- one that, unlike the Kaleidoscope, seems unlikely to negotiate.
More data would be great. Removing a great threat quickly and then getting more data would be better.
Heaven Canceler
I would like to have a cool title.
- Location
- Austria
Eh..... magic? Like, a lot of fictional magic systems have various manners of divination magic with which to identify targets of note through a variety of methods. This isn't even going into straight up prophetic stuff, just you know, tracing the magic energy of a summon to the summoner, talking with animals or spirits that may have seen us etc....
In general, unless you assume that everyone in a setting is a moron or the universe literally runs on narrativium, (In which case your attempts will fail due to plot conventions) there is a reason that people don't use snipers! Namely because there is something that makes that sort of stuff fail horribly and backfire like shit.
It is like all these SI into the Nasuverse where a guy uses some random shit some guys on a forum came up with to invent a totally unbeatable method to get infinite power and somehow nobody In-Universe has come up with that perfectly safe and easily-reproduced method since the creation of magecraft. It makes no sense unless you assume everyone is retarded.
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- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Intervene?
-[X] On the side of White. She seems like someone who'd be willing to work under the future King of the World.
-[X] On the side of White. She seems like someone who'd be willing to work under the future King of the World.
- Location
- Somewhere down the road~
[X] Intervene?
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
=[X]"Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals.
Of course, if you disagree, you are welcome to challenge my presumption. As matter of fact, I quite look forward to it."
- [X] Kill the last wolves in a dynamic entry. None of your subjects shall die.
No siding with anyone. We are the KING, dammit, the future god-ruler king of the universe! If we can't bow others to our rule then we do not deserve such a title.
-[X] Stand between them and make yourself the centrepiece of this show.
=[X]"Well done! The two of you both possess worthy hearts to match your obvious combat prowess. I've decided! I shall make the two of you my Generals.
Of course, if you disagree, you are welcome to challenge my presumption. As matter of fact, I quite look forward to it."
- [X] Kill the last wolves in a dynamic entry. None of your subjects shall die.
No siding with anyone. We are the KING, dammit, the future god-ruler king of the universe! If we can't bow others to our rule then we do not deserve such a title.
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