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Magic Knight Quest (Surprise, you are a Harem Hero now, SV)

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[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.

Time to speak a lot
 
Wolfy said:
That skirt is way too short.

Like, damn. You can't walk without flashing.
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this is a magic school
i bet 50 that the school uniform are enchanted to deal with these issue while double as combat uniform ( i think that Shirley already explain it or some thing in the earlier post)
 
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.
 
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.

This one I can back. It doesn't color Kazuto's opinion of Cecil with ours. At the same time, it's in-character for him because it contrasts the President's view with the protagonist's own with his current knowledge at this point in time.

Edit: Changed my vote.
 
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if the word highschool and magic goes together and the student fight in their uniform my head would auto tell me that they either enchanted the stuff or it made out of magic spider silk or they sew some magic rune into them
 
I totally am one for speeches, so...
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead hecould be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure sucha thing never happens again. No oneman can face everything alone.
 
Wolfy said:
When Celcia says "this happened because of me" he seriously thinks that he could casually protect the scrubs because that is the simple truth. We know that highest level people have continental level shit going on. It would be absolutely trivial for him to save other Magic Knight because he is just that much above them.

There are two reasons for why scrubs are a thing. First is matter of convenience. You can't have powerful people go around wasting their time on saving cats and old ladies, despite basic policing being one of the basis of society. By having metric fuckton of scrubs, you are making sure that low level stuff is done without wasting time on precious high level fighters.

More importantly, you nurture the scrubs there is a chance that one or few of them will one day get to the point where they are not irrelevant.
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Sorry for this late reply to this post. Well, for me, Celica has this 'Noblesse Oblige' mentality in him. Because he is in a position of power, he believes that he has more responsibilities than those who are beneath him. Though it can be interpreted as him being arrogant, he believes that with his powers and his position as a Lord, he has a fuckton of burdens and responsibilities on his shoulders. As one cool dead uncle once said, with great power, comes great responsibility.

Yes, this kind of mentality can be a little unhealthy, and can be grossly misinterpreted, but Celica is a person who thinks he has to shoulder all the burdens, even though there are other safer, more healthy alternatives.
 
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.
 
PrinceArjuna said:
Sorry for this late reply to this post. Well, for me, Celica has this 'Noblesse Oblige' mentality in him. Because he is in a position of power, he believes that he has more responsibilities than those who are beneath him. Though it can be interpreted as him being arrogant, he believes that with his powers and his position as a Lord, he has a fuckton of burdens and responsibilities on his shoulders. As one cool dead uncle once said, with great power, comes great responsibility.

Yes, this kind of mentality can be a little unhealthy, and can be grossly misinterpreted, but Celica is a person who thinks he has to shoulder all the burdens, even though there are other safer, more healthy alternatives.
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facepalm


dont these people have any head doctor to screw these kid back on their neck
 
PrinceArjuna said:
Sorry for this late reply to this post. Well, for me, Celica has this 'Noblesse Oblige' mentality in him. Because he is in a position of power, he believes that he has more responsibilities than those who are beneath him. Though it can be interpreted as him being arrogant, he believes that with his powers and his position as a Lord, he has a fuckton of burdens and responsibilities on his shoulders. As one cool dead uncle once said, with great power, comes great responsibility.

Yes, this kind of mentality can be a little unhealthy, and can be grossly misinterpreted, but Celica is a person who thinks he has to shoulder all the burdens, even though there are other safer, more healthy alternatives.
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He is not wrong.

Law only exists because state can force punishment because it has monopoly on force. In context of fictional universe such as this, all the power is held by chosen few. And unlike our world, that is literally the case.

Celica and other few decided that law and order will exists, and that's only reason why it exists. That is responsibility they choose on themselves.

In turn, when they fail to protect, such as when they fail to be there to protect citizens of threats of the same level as they are, it is pretty much their fault. That's how responsibility works, it is your fault even if you couldn't do anything to stop it.
 
Wolfy said:
He is not wrong.

Law only exists because state can force punishment because it has monopoly on force. In context of fictional universe such as this, all the power is held by chosen few. And unlike our world, that is literally the case.

Celica and other few decided that law and order will exists, and that's only reason why it exists. That is responsibility they choose on themselves.

In turn, when they fail to protect, such as when they fail to be there to protect citizens of threats of the same level as they are, it is pretty much their fault. That's how responsibility works, it is your fault even if you couldn't do anything to stop it.
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Sole ruler ship, Sole responsibility eh?

We're living in a magical Dictatorship/Oligarchy. Lovely.
 
Wolfy said:
It's kinda hard to pretend that we are all equal when handfull of fuckers keep entire thing going.
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Hah! True that. We, an apprentice, could carve through the terrorists like a hot knife through butter...

Oh God, we are the Establishment. And all the smallfolk plebians peasants civilians are inconsequential and irrelevant! They didn't even get a bloody mention in the funeral!
 
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[] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.
 
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PrinceArjuna said:
Are you guys sure that we're not one for speeches? I remember we delivering a rather hot-blooded and shounen-like speech to Elisabeth the day before.
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That wasn't, in multiple ways even, a speech. First up as per the merriam-webster dictionary a speech is defined as:
a spoken expression of ideas, opinions, etc., that is made by someone who is speaking in front of a group of people
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Now sure there were other people around be we were speaking to Elisabeth not the crowd. So it straight up fails the definition of a speech.

On top of that lets think about the phrase "I'm not one for speeches". What is it that makes people dislike listening to them compared to other forms of communication? The answer, at least in my opinion, is the the impersonal nature of speeches.

Since speeches are designed to reach large, usually quite diverse, audiences the content within needs to be highly generalized so it appeals to the majority of the audience. This tends to result in speeches being somewhat dull for the listener since they aren't connecting as well as with other communication types.

Now Cecile did try to make his/her speech more personalized by targeting the values Magic Knights tend to idolize but Kazuto is too new to be sufficiently influenced for that to be effective. Combined with Kazuto's complete lack of connection to any of the victims and to him Cecile's speech was quite dull.

That is really what the phrase is addressing here.

Our so called :turian:speech:turian: to Elisabeth meanwhile was personalized to appeal to her through exploiting known vulnerabilities in her personality. Calling her a "hero" along with all sorts of hero-like descriptors such as "brave" or "sincerely cares". Discussing how we plan to become a darkness wielding "hero" and change the world('s view on darkness magic). Then finally bringing it home with how we acted like heroes, by saving the civilians, and that true heroes don't need thanks.

Now while sure some of that will apply to most people we chose it all because it would resonate well specifically with Elisabeth. So there was none of that impersonal feeling that makes speeches so disliked.



So no I don't really think Kazuto is being a hypocrite because we haven't made a single speech so far.
 
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.

I counter your speech with another speech!:V
 
[X] I understand its a tragedy for most, but well... I don't know these people. It's hard to be sad for those whom you have never met. I can respect the grief of the other students however, and I will not begrudge them for it. He also seems to have taken too much of the blame to carry upon himself. I mean it feels like he is saying that he was the only one who could have saved them, like he's almost ignoring the fact that many of them made a decision to pursue this life, to stand and fight when there were people that needed protecting. I don't know what he's going through, but that he feels he must take the weight and responsibility of the world upon himself cheapens their choice. It's honestly rather sad to see, because I understand that he is trying, but for the wrong goal. He talks about death and sacrifice, when instead he could be talking about how all of us could work together to make sure such a thing never happens again. No one man can face everything alone.
 
[:V] "I'm not one for speeches...unless I'm giving them. Does Celica think he's the protagonist or something? Sorry, but it's me, and all the shonen speeches and waifus are mine. Except Shirley, he can have her."
 
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UberJJK said:
That wasn't, in multiple ways even, a speech. First up as per the merriam-webster dictionary a speech is defined as:


Now sure there were other people around be we were speaking to Elisabeth not the crowd. So it straight up fails the definition of a speech.

On top of that lets think about the phrase "I'm not one for speeches". What is it that makes people dislike listening to them compared to other forms of communication? The answer, at least in my opinion, is the the impersonal nature of speeches.

Since speeches are designed to reach large, usually quite diverse, audiences the content within needs to be highly generalized so it appeals to the majority of the audience. This tends to result in speeches being somewhat dull for the listener since they aren't connecting as well as with other communication types.

Now Cecile did try to make his/her speech more personalized by targeting the values Magic Knights tend to idolize but Kazuto is too new to be sufficiently influenced for that to be effective. Combined with Kazuto's complete lack of connection to any of the victims and to him Cecile's speech was quite dull.

That is really what the phrase is addressing here.

Our so called :turian:speech:turian: to Elisabeth meanwhile was personalized to appeal to her through exploiting known vulnerabilities in her personality. Calling her a "hero" along with all sorts of hero-like descriptors such as "brave" or "sincerely cares". Discussing how we plan to become a darkness wielding "hero" and change the world('s view on darkness magic). Then finally bringing it home with how we acted like heroes, by saving the civilians, and that true heroes don't need thanks.

Now while sure some of that will apply to most people we chose it all because it would resonate well specifically with Elisabeth. So there was none of that impersonal feeling that makes speeches so disliked.

So no I don't really think Kazuto is being a hypocrite because we haven't made a single speech so far.
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Even so, the 'I'm not one for speeches' reaponse seems rather apathetic and too out-of-character for Kazuto. Remember that our personality trait is Compassionate. Even if we aren't really influenced by the speech by Celica, we at least shouldn't just outright dismiss it just because it doesn't resonate with us.

Also, Shirley asked for our opinion, and that response sounds like 'meh, I'm not feelin' it, so no comment'. At the very least, I want our character to properly answer her question.

Plus, there are people listening too.
 
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