[Mafia] Scarlet Hand Finale

Can you point me to those reasons?

scumreading* Meso, mostly for the way Meso agreed with me in the last few pages. Others have called it out for more obvious reasons.

Like, you're jumping awfully hard on this for a move that is entirely independent of my read of Meso. Given other targets are there, I kinda suspect this may be worth revisiting once we've seen me, Meso, -Rosen or 1K flip (at least one of whom I imagine does today).
In fact, if I'm going to be honest, it would be my first assumption to believe that it actually is FIFO, considering Pawn is part of this team. I feel like if anything, he would prioritize getting rid of threats over trying to look natural, probably more so than anybody here.

Even so, I'd still fear some kind of mass
 
I am currently toying with the idea that we are on a hard time limit.
It would fit the fluff, it would make sense with the amount of town kill power.
 
Like, you're jumping awfully hard on this for a move that is entirely independent of my read of Meso. Given other targets are there, I kinda suspect this may be worth revisiting once we've seen me, Meso, -Rosen or 1K flip (at least one of whom I imagine does today).
It's mostly that I'm for once sold into a lynch and try to push it. I already absented from pushing hard in another game where I maybe could have done more. Got lynched as the result. So yeah, when I'm sure of one scum read, I try to push it for a change.

And sure, go ahead and revisit me after the flip. It's what I'd expect from town, to take the new info and look at the others with it.
 
My thoughts are that they definitely have some kind of wizard/sorcerer based on the being frozen and/or being blown away, and likely have a Paladin or Knight who does the Heroically Vanquished. If there were some sort of exorcist power, it would likely be a cleric/priest or the Paladin character who would do so. We know they did have a Gnome Squire of an unknown power, which lends more credence to a Knight or Paladin by virtue of squires being apprentices to knights. The only thing I don't get is if they would have 1 regular magic-user, or more since Nictis was frozen and blown away at the same time.

I suppose one could postulate that the blown-away was Scum strongman magic and the frozen was a Town jailing rather than an RB, but the timing and setup seems weird to me for that to be the case. Like, if scum were to have assumed that Nictis is a high-info PR due to him being vague as to his position and implying he knows more than he lets on, then RB'ing him and then killing him at the same time serves to remove a veteran with a high potential for power in this game without letting him access to his power (and therefore info) any further. It doesn't seem like a Towny play nor the earlier speculated theory of being a Strongman that didn't consult with their teammates.
 
Ah, to clarify- I am toying with the idea that we are on a hard time limit to kill all the scum.
As in, I suspect Scum auto-wins if they survive long enough.
 
@-Rosen I've given reasons why I don't trust you. You can ISO me if you want them. I don't have time to pick through now. So if you have a reason you should live give it now. And if anyone else does. Please let me know. You've got a half hour.
 
@-Rosen I've given reasons why I don't trust you. You can ISO me if you want them. I don't have time to pick through now. So if you have a reason you should live give it now. And if anyone else does. Please let me know. You've got a half hour.
Yeah and when I've asked you for posts where I've exhibited said reasons, I've been given nothing to work with. Like I already said, the only time I've had something to work with was the Pawn situation.

In particular,this post, which you never responded to. I literally can't defend myself because you're giving me nothing where I could possibly defend my actions.
 
@-Rosen I've given reasons why I don't trust you. You can ISO me if you want them. I don't have time to pick through now. So if you have a reason you should live give it now. And if anyone else does. Please let me know. You've got a half hour.
Short version for me, I'm VT. My loss is no big deal but leaves us worse off than we were before since you'll be out and I'm not particularly helpful, unfortunately. I've been misreading people horribly all game.
 
My suggestion would probably be to hit Shadell. If she's being honest then we lose a weak power role and get an important piece of info that may influence the case about Meso. If she's scum then obviously we lynch Meso today, unless someone else has a better idea.
 
@-Rosen I've given reasons why I don't trust you. You can ISO me if you want them. I don't have time to pick through now. So if you have a reason you should live give it now. And if anyone else does. Please let me know. You've got a half hour.
Already stated my scumread on Meso and (way lesser) consecutive read of Shadell + my townread on -Rosen.
I can understand your motivation for the other three but I don't think they will tell us much productive right now.
 
My suggestion would probably be to hit Shadell. If she's being honest then we lose a weak power role and get an important piece of info that may influence the case about Meso. If she's scum then obviously we lynch Meso today, unless someone else has a better idea.
I feel like if the kill is gonna be to gather info about another player then meso is the better choice between those two, though. Nictis and I already went over it earlier that a meso flip says a lot more about Shadell then a Shadell flip says about meso here.

Granted, that may be a bit moot now with the current situation and how those two have progressed, but I still agree with the original logic here.
 
Frankly I think if meso flips Town then my read on Shadell mostly dissolved into the aether. Same does not go for Shadell flipping Town influencing my read on meso.
 
Killing meso is a terrible idea atm.
Letting them survive a night won't lose us the game (a three day limit is implausible) and their power will self-confirm.
 
Killing meso is a terrible idea atm.
Letting them survive a night won't lose us the game (a three day limit is implausible) and their power will self-confirm.
Okay so I'm assuming the kill-shot is where the self-confirm comes from, in which case he should definitely be using it Tonight. I'm on board with that since we hard-confirm him in either direction based on the feedback, and I don't really think he's too deprived for targets right now so I don't see a world where he doesn't shoot as Town.
 
Killing meso is a terrible idea atm.
Letting them survive a night won't lose us the game (a three day limit is implausible) and their power will self-confirm.
Unless he's encased or scum chooses the same target or his target is encased or his target is doctored.
I mean it doesn't look like his proclaimed target for now will survive the next hour and any proclaim is set to be tinkered with if he really should be town.
 
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