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Maelstrom Games - The Questening (Naruto/Gamer)

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Just to specify...

Healer = Healing/Medical Crap. Fairly obvious.
Brawler = Pretty Much Pure Taijutsu. Maybe a secondary focus on Weapons or Ninjutsu.
Trickster = Genjutsu
Scoundrel = Most 'Shinobi' Build, really. Speed/Stealth/Light Weapons. Very Rogue-ish.
Fighter = Weapon Focused, with a Taijutsu Secondary.
Warrior = Probably the 'rarest' class to see among Shinobi, it focuses on Defense in a myriad of ways.

Well, i say it's rare, but I'd say Hashirama and Madara would have both started out as Warriors, before dipping into Caster/Fighter.

In comparison, Sarutobi and Jiraiya were probably Brawlers who then dipped into Caster, with Sarutobi then dipping into Fighter. Minato, Kakashi and Orochimaru all would have started as Scoundrel.
 
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Now I've got the image of Sakura V Zabuza. poor Sakura.:lol
 
[X] Sakura: Healer
[X] Sasuke: Scoundrel
[X] Naruto: Warrior

Unique classes are that way for a reason! And I must say that I love this spin off the usual gamer plot. I also love that we start at the begining of team seven, before everything got fucked over by Orochimaru.
 
It's also probably a good idea to note that Alternate Universe Tag up there. Superficially, a lot of the world is the same, but then other things simply aren't. For example, the Bijuu? Actual Demons. Or Yokai or what have you.

When it comes to demons, there are 9 'Circles' of Power. Generally, 1st Circles are weaker than 2nd Circles, and 2nd Circles are weaker than 3rd and so on. There's more to it, as each Bijuu rules one of the Circles but each Bijuu is at lest 7th or 8th Circle in terms of power, with the Kyuubi being in the 9th Circle. A Demon's Circle mostly has to do with their 'prestige' and social standing, which is most often tied to Personal Power, so there tends to be a correlation between how strong a demon is and which Circle they are a part of. But Power isn't everything. As an example, Shikaku, a Bijuu in the upper levels of the 7th Circle n terms of power, is only a 1st Circle because he is certifiably insane. Even for a demon, he's simply too volatile.

Kurama on the other hand is so damn strong he's at the top of the food chain, even if he tends to go solo. Then again, all 9th Circle Yokai are like that. All three of them.

But yeah, there are other changes and such like that. More bloodlines, more supernatural oddities, there are actual reasons why Shinobi don't rule the damn world, Hidden Villages are actually, you know, Hidden...things like that. Chakra Wielding Samurai are much more common, for one, and tend to make up a good deal of the Daimyo's Army. Samurai just tend to be a bit more...standard and less variable in how they fight. Essentially the basics taken to the extreme.

In comparison, Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces, who can do a whole range of things that you can't just send an army in for. If said Country's Special Forces also did odd jobs on the side for civilians and private companies.
 
Probellum said:
It's also probably a good idea to note that Alternate Universe Tag up there. Superficially, a lot of the world is the same, but then other things simply aren't. For example, the Bijuu? Actual Demons. Or Yokai or what have you.

When it comes to demons, there are 9 'Circles' of Power. Generally, 1st Circles are weaker than 2nd Circles, and 2nd Circles are weaker than 3rd and so on. There's more to it, as each Bijuu rules one of the Circles but each Bijuu is at lest 7th or 8th Circle in terms of power, with the Kyuubi being in the 9th Circle. A Demon's Circle mostly has to do with their 'prestige' and social standing, which is most often tied to Personal Power, so there tends to be a correlation between how strong a demon is and which Circle they are a part of. But Power isn't everything. As an example, Shikaku, a Bijuu in the upper levels of the 7th Circle n terms of power, is only a 1st Circle because he is certifiably insane. Even for a demon, he's simply too volatile.

Kurama on the other hand is so damn strong he's at the top of the food chain, even if he tends to go solo. Then again, all 9th Circle Yokai are like that. All three of them.

But yeah, there are other changes and such like that. More bloodlines, more supernatural oddities, there are actual reasons why Shinobi don't rule the damn world, Hidden Villages are actually, you know, Hidden...things like that. Chakra Wielding Samurai are much more common, for one, and tend to make up a good deal of the Daimyo's Army. Samurai just tend to be a bit more...standard and less variable in how they fight. Essentially the basics taken to the extreme.

In comparison, Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces, who can do a whole range of things that you can't just send an army in for. If said Country's Special Forces also did odd jobs on the side for civilians and private companies.
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So part one Naruto with some elements of part two and even the pilot chapter? God damn, I keep liking this more and more!

Pls keep Kaguya as a creation myth tho. Her actual part in the end was pretty lousy, but her backstory was something I thought was pretty good and properly mythologyish for the series itself.
 
[X] Sakura: Healer
[X] Sasuke: Scoundrel
[X] Naruto: Warrior
 
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You...realize that Sasuke is the only one who can be a Scoundrel, right? Classes are chosen not only on what fits them thematically, but also on what they'd go for in character. Sasuke is the only one who'd go the stealthy, assassination route.

If it's a joke vote, I'd think very carefully about how you respond, because I have made my absolute loathing of joke votes particularly clear. >.>
 
Probellum said:
You...realize that Sasuke is the only one who can be a Scoundrel, right? Classes are chosen not only on what fits them thematically, but also on what they'd go for in character. Sasuke is the only one who'd go the stealthy, assassination route.
If it's a joke vote, I'd think very carefully about how you respond, because I have made my absolute loathing of joke votes particularly clear. >.>
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They are supposed to be ninja. And as this is an AU and not canon Naruto, Naruto wouldn't be able to get by with Shadow Clones, the Rasengan and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups, and Sakura wouldn't be a Medic/Brawler that ultimately turns out to be completely useless in the end. And with everything you've said about the AU, about how the Hidden Villages are actually Hidden and that Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces, which generally requires stealth ops amongst other things(actual stealth which no one in Naruto really seems to have), I'd think them learning how to actually be stealthy and shit would be useful/nice. And besides, I'd really like to see them acting as real ninja would and should. None of that dressing in complete orange or wearing a fucking red dress to the battlefield or anything where any relatively good "ninja" would easily see you and take you out. Sasuke had the barest beginnings of being a ninja in some ways, but thanks to Kakashi's shitty teaching style it wasn't enough before he ran off to Orochimaru and then abandoned that for a similar thing to Naruto(Sharingan hax, Chidori and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups).

Chakra is great, don't get me wrong, but Kishimoto handled it poorly and just showed off huge open area battles and stuff, with AOE chakra attacks and the like, none of which ninja are supposed to do. You might as well call them wizards or battle mages or whatever the fuck they are. But they really are not ninja(except maybe the ANBU- Ansatsu Senjutsu Tokushu Butai- which is supposed to be the Special Assassination and Tactical Squad, but we are never shown anyone actually carrying out an assassination). There was never any assassination/espionage/sabotage missions given/shown in Naruto and thus we never see how it's accomplished(with or without chakra), even though it's supposedly actually "done". And ninjutsu in Naruto meant something else entirely. Really, you could change Taijutsu to Body/Reinforcement Magic. Genjutsu to Illusion Magic, and "Ninjutsu" to Elemental Magic, and boom, you've got three core magic types. And Kekkai Genkai is just another word/phrase for magical bloodlines/family magic.

Seriously, the definition of a ninja is: a member of a feudal Japanese society(The whole damn continent Narutoverse is built off of feudal Japan with Daimyo's and shit) of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.

Now, the definition of ninjutsu is: the traditional Japanese art of stealth, camouflage, and sabotage, developed in feudal times for espionage and now practiced as a martial art.

So please, tell me where in Naruto any of that actually fucking happened. So, no, this is not a joke vote. I really want to see this happen. And honestly, they should have actually been trained as ninjas in canon if they were supposed to actually be called that. Hell, the Samurai in Naruto had more in common and actually seemed to follow the definition of a samurai(even with chakra).
 
Khepri14 said:
They are supposed to be ninja. And as this is an AU and not canon Naruto, Naruto wouldn't be able to get by with Shadow Clones, the Rasengan and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups, and Sakura wouldn't be a Medic/Brawler that ultimately turns out to be completely useless in the end. And with everything you've said about the AU, about how the Hidden Villages are actually Hidden and that Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces, which generally requires stealth ops amongst other things(actual stealth which no one in Naruto really seems to have), I'd think them learning how to actually be stealthy and shit would be useful/nice. And besides, I'd really like to see them acting as real ninja would and should. None of that dressing in complete orange or wearing a fucking red dress to the battlefield or anything where any relatively good "ninja" would easily see you and take you out. Sasuke had the barest beginnings of being a ninja in some ways, but thanks to Kakashi's shitty teaching style it wasn't enough before he ran off to Orochimaru and then abandoned that for a similar thing to Naruto(Sharingan hax, Chidori and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups).
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Well guess fucking what? Shinobi may be special forces, but that doesn't mean every damn shinobi is stealth focused.I literally made it a point to note that one of the bigger flaws for Samurai is how standard they are. Ninja make it a point to not be standard.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post, because it all amounts to same damn thing. 'BUT MAH ACTUAL NINJAS!'

If that is what you want, here, then you are going to be sadly disappointed. Now stop being a whiny little bitch over canon and either give a real fucking vote or get the hell out of my quest.
 
Probellum said:
Well guess fucking what? Shinobi may be special forces, but that doesn't mean every damn shinobi is stealth focused.I literally made it a point to note that one of the bigger flaws for Samurai is how standard they are. Ninja make it a point to not be standard.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post, because it all amounts to same damn thing. 'BUT MAH ACTUAL NINJAS!'

If that is what you want, here, then you are going to be sadly disappointed. Now stop being a whiny little bitch over canon and either give a real fucking vote or get the hell out of my quest.
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I don't care about them being actual ninjas or not. I'm not asking them to be what ancient ninjas are said to be/the very definition of a ninja. I'm asking them to have some knowledge of stealth(unlike canon) and to be able to actually carry out assassination/espionage/sabotage missions unlike the boring thing that happens in every other quest where they go on escort missions/fight S-rank enemy nins to death out in the open/etc... Plus, in your AU, you've said, "Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces", which generally requires stealth in ops and do everything from retrieving intel/people to causing instability/war in other countries.

I never said they had to be just stealth focused. Just that being a ninja means they need to be stealthy somewhat and stealth is actually a big part of what being a ninja really is about. Ninjas can also do espionage and sabotage which involves stealing and destroying stuff respectively(killing people while doing so is optional really). Assassination involves killing and plenty of fighting if caught/found out in the process of attempting the assassination/escaping(It also depends on the assassination request). My point was, that being a ninja actually means something, something that is not fighting out in the open slinging fireballs, punching each other to death, etc...

But since you are so pissy about the fact that I pointed out that stealth can be useful and that they are training to be ninjas, I'll change it.
 
I'm pissy about the fact that your salt over Canon has you making a completely invalid vote and wasting my time on it, just so you can rant about how sucky canon is.

Also, you are clearly waaaaaay too wrapped up in the western idea of Ninjas and have done little to no research on Japan's actual, historical view of Ninja's and their various supernatural powers. Ninjas being fireball hurling, water walking Wizard-Monks has been a longstanding myth in Japan. Jiraiya and the Sannin in particular are known for their various animal themed magics. Sanada's 10 Braves, the Koga and The Iga and more all also supposedly had mystical powers, being akin to sorcerers and mystics.

That is the common view of the mythical ninjas of which Naruto as whole is based on.
 
Khepri14 said:
They are supposed to be ninja. And as this is an AU and not canon Naruto, Naruto wouldn't be able to get by with Shadow Clones, the Rasengan and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups, and Sakura wouldn't be a Medic/Brawler that ultimately turns out to be completely useless in the end. And with everything you've said about the AU, about how the Hidden Villages are actually Hidden and that Ninja are like a Country's Special Forces, which generally requires stealth ops amongst other things(actual stealth which no one in Naruto really seems to have), I'd think them learning how to actually be stealthy and shit would be useful/nice. And besides, I'd really like to see them acting as real ninja would and should. None of that dressing in complete orange or wearing a fucking red dress to the battlefield or anything where any relatively good "ninja" would easily see you and take you out. Sasuke had the barest beginnings of being a ninja in some ways, but thanks to Kakashi's shitty teaching style it wasn't enough before he ran off to Orochimaru and then abandoned that for a similar thing to Naruto(Sharingan hax, Chidori and variations, and authorial fiat/bullshit powerups).

Chakra is great, don't get me wrong, but Kishimoto handled it poorly and just showed off huge open area battles and stuff, with AOE chakra attacks and the like, none of which ninja are supposed to do. You might as well call them wizards or battle mages or whatever the fuck they are. But they really are not ninja(except maybe the ANBU- Ansatsu Senjutsu Tokushu Butai- which is supposed to be the Special Assassination and Tactical Squad, but we are never shown anyone actually carrying out an assassination). There was never any assassination/espionage/sabotage missions given/shown in Naruto and thus we never see how it's accomplished(with or without chakra), even though it's supposedly actually "done". And ninjutsu in Naruto meant something else entirely. Really, you could change Taijutsu to Body/Reinforcement Magic. Genjutsu to Illusion Magic, and "Ninjutsu" to Elemental Magic, and boom, you've got three core magic types. And Kekkai Genkai is just another word/phrase for magical bloodlines/family magic.

Seriously, the definition of a ninja is: a member of a feudal Japanese society(The whole damn continent Narutoverse is built off of feudal Japan with Daimyo's and shit) of mercenary agents, highly trained in martial arts and stealth (ninjutsu) who were hired for covert purposes ranging from espionage to sabotage and assassination.

Now, the definition of ninjutsu is: the traditional Japanese art of stealth, camouflage, and sabotage, developed in feudal times for espionage and now practiced as a martial art.

So please, tell me where in Naruto any of that actually fucking happened. So, no, this is not a joke vote. I really want to see this happen. And honestly, they should have actually been trained as ninjas in canon if they were supposed to actually be called that. Hell, the Samurai in Naruto had more in common and actually seemed to follow the definition of a samurai(even with chakra).
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Have you ever considered that you just don't like Naruto and should go for something like Nabari no Ou instead, because what you want literally cannot be Naruto at all. Shit, ninja were just fucking peasants with farm tools. The guys wearing all black and throwing metal stars are liiiiies. And the reason we never see ninjas assassinate people is because Naruto is a series about morals and doesn't think that killing people is a good thing. The cliche you want is called ROOT and its never seen as a good thing. Honestly.

Besides all of that why the fuck would you tell the gm how to not only run their game but also have the god damn setting? He hasn't even been able to make an awful mistake that reveals that he's a shot or anything like that! There is zero to be ass anguished over. If you want gritty and dark ninja shit then Naruto is really just not the series for you.

Probellum said:
I'm pissy about the fact that your salt over Canon has you making a completely invalid vote and wasting my time on it, just so you can rant about how sucky canon is.

Also, you are clearly waaaaaay too wrapped up in the western idea of Ninjas and have done little to no research on Japan's actual, historical view of Ninja's and their various supernatural powers. Ninjas being fireball hurling, water walking Wizard-Monks has been a longstanding myth in Japan. Jiraiya and the Sannin in particular are known for their various animal themed magics. Sanada's 10 Braves, the Koga and The Iga and more all also supposedly had mystical powers, being akin to sorcerers and mystics.

That is the common view of the mythical ninjas of which Naruto as whole is based on.
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Fucking this. Naruto uses a huge amount of Japanese mythology and folklore. Even his genderbending jutsu is based on the myth of fox wives.
 
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Clearly, this is differences between myth and reality. Khepri14 is in the camp of ninja is Japan ancient CIA, while the GM, who ran the quest mind you, wants Naruto's as magic wielding mythical warrior.

Edit: ninja'ed? Hokage'ed?
 
Kerfirou said:
Clearly, this is differences between myth and reality. Khepri14 is in the camp of ninja is Japan ancient CIA, while the GM, who ran the quest mind you, wants Naruto's as magic wielding mythical warrior.

Edit: ninja'ed? Hokage'ed?
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I just read the wiki page for Ninja and Naruto is actually pretty accurate to most of the shit ninjas were thought to be capable of.

Like summoning animals, using hand signs, and otherwise doing magical bullshit like turning into birds. Being upset over this is akin to being upset about the common depiction of Witches in media.
 
Naruto is quite literally all of Japanese mythology wrapped up into a single big ball of references and expys. It reached the point that some of the twists to american audiences were completly expected in japan due to people recognizing the myth that arc or sub plot was based on. The ninja being magical warriors as opposed to peasants fits that theme.
 
Lilithium said:
I just read the wiki page for Ninja and Naruto is actually pretty accurate to most of the shit ninjas were thought to be capable of.

Like summoning animals, using hand signs, and otherwise doing magical bullshit like turning into birds. Being upset over this is akin to being upset about the common depiction of Witches in media.
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Well, no, I'm just stating that in reality, ninja act like ancient CIA, which Khepri seems to like and want to run.

I'm completely agree that Naruto is more into mythical description, though. Besides, it is much more fun playing fire spewing ninja.
 
Kerfirou said:
Well, no, I'm just stating that in reality, ninja act like ancient CIA, which Khepri seems to like and want to run.

I'm completely agree that Naruto is more into mythical description, though. Besides, it is much more fun playing fire spewing ninja.
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No no like

Katon no jutsu is a real thing that comes from ninja setting shit on fire as distractions. Douton no jutsu is a real thing that comes from disguising yourself as an unmoving rock ball. This one guy wrote that he learnt how to turn into a bird.

Ninja villages were actual things in mountains and they raised you up as a little kid to be a ninja. You can't make this shit up. They'd teach the kids survival bullshit and everything like in the academy in Naruto. The only difference is that Naruto had the magical shit be real and not extremely prolific mythology mixed with the history side of things.

One guy even summoned toads to help him kill a snake... No guesses on his name.
 
erlking said:
Naruto is quite literally all of Japanese mythology wrapped up into a single big ball of references and expys. It reached the point that some of the twists to american audiences were completly expected in japan due to people recognizing the myth that arc or sub plot was based on. The ninja being magical warriors as opposed to peasants fits that theme.
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Exactly. Naruto draws from all corners of japanese myth. The legendary sannin for example, are directly adapted from the folklore, The Tale of the Gallant Jiraiya. Thats the story of the snake killing dude @Lilithium mentioned :V

There are other portrayals of famous mythical ninja like Sarutobi Sasuke, Kato Danzo and Hattori Hanzo in the series. And it's not just ninja myth either; there's the nine tailed fox, the tanuki, the two-tailed nekomata. Son Goku is a reference to The Journey to the West, while Kaguya has her origins in the Tale of the Bamboo-cutter. I'm sure there many other such myth references throughout Naruto; so flashy fire spewing, cloning and toad summoning ninja is perfectly alright in my books.
 
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