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Lost on a Death World (Worm, Celestial Forge, pseudo-SI)

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Pen-Paper Toad said:
Kingdom Hearts as a starting point seems like a Survival situation:
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Except that you don't obtain for free Keyblade and others items.
Even with the Celestial Forge, this is like a jumpchain gauntlet.
Trek said:
This is not some problem that can be ignored
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I say no, it won't happen in the story because, I, the author won't write it so. End of the discussion, period.
Trek said:
some of the companions the forge can give for example glados.
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Ah, okay. True, some perks can lead to that. In fact, the scientific skills from HIve Quest enable me to create AI now.
My author's plans, for now, are to have the MC makes either non-sentient VI within a system that shouldn't allow for evolution, or what I call a hardware-based and templated sentient AI. It's not based on software, it's made to be sentient from the beginning and its personality is based on a template (historical or fictional).
And it is something akin to having a child so, the MC isn't particularly pressed on to make one, especially since its life would be endangered from the beginning and the risk to have it considered as a second-class citizen.
Trek said:
Like for example he says he does not trust the branch yet he is handing out exclusive access to world changing tech to them for the free, even though he knows the PRT in this town is full of moles.
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He doesn't trust the central PRT staff, not the ENE branch.
He never said it was free but that ENE only has the exclusivity of use for now.
The MC is counting on those moles to do their jobs since Danzou is mapping all the little connections.
Hmm... you're right, the next chapter will have Danzou explaining all that.
Trek said:
Or another example is mc was conflicted if lunar ceremony was worth it and it might change his personality but then he did it without really explaining why he changed his mind and decided to go though with it.
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Are you talking about the Sorcery Trials? Because there is no conflict with Luna. I repeat again, IT'S A JOKE! Let it go, damn it!
Yes, he was conflicted with the sorcery, but he did it nonetheless because it's a power that can't be ignored. The MC doesn't want to let any part of a power on the side, some might be the key for some situations.
And the Trials didn't change his mind but how he could perceive reality. That is the reason why he is screaming at the end of the chapter.
Everybody change with time and situations.
Trek said:
He considered her an anchor yes thats what I am saying, is it worth sacrificing an anchor for the sake of power? After all arent anchors good things?
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You never play Exalted.
The sacrifice shows the worth of the power. There are 3 tiers of power in Exalted sorcery. Each tier asked for a bigger sacrifice.
And I didn't lose the anchor, I show that Baran could form attachments. I still have the Subnautica PDA, it'll just have another name.
 
Does Creation now include wormverse due to existence of Luna? Can she now able give exalted status to anybody else in wormverse?
 
Trek said:
Super tech is risky stuff and handing it out willy nilly can cause massive harm. Specialty in worm whos economy is near crashing and the world order is only held up because of PtV sending world disrupting products which crash industries is liable to bring the end of the world closer.
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Economy is crashing because Leviathan at minimum culled shipping, Behemoth destroyed things like oil fields and Simurgs ties a lot of resources into containment, plus general cleanup after Endbringer attacks, gangs with their collateral damage do not help matters. While releasing reproducible super tech might disturb some industry further, due to lack of that industry, resources are more likely to be relocated to other branches of industry.

Economy appears to be about to crash. Earth Bet likely is desperately looking for anything that will help to decentralize economy to make it sturdier to Endbringers. That super tech is exactly that, a chance to survive the crash. Some companies will be unhappy, are likely to end bankrupt, but otherwise super tech is a chance for Civilization to survive or even avoid global collapse that is enevitable at the moment.

Destabilized economy can be rebuilt later.
 
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SouvikKundu said:
Does Creation now include wormverse due to existence of Luna? Can she now able give exalted status to anybody else in wormverse?
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No.
The only link for Luna is through Baran.
He's... entertainment. She's eating popcorn while laughing at what happens to him.
andreykl said:
That super tech is exactly that, a chance to survive the crash.
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Finally.
Also, note that the MC will take great care to introduce replicable tech. Being dependent on tinkertech would only exacerbate the problem.
 
Is she aware of Exalted verse Knowledge aka metaknowledge what's going to happen in future? Auto-kun's state, dragons plan and curse of neverborn etc
 
With magic circuits introduced in the setting does that mean other type moon foundation added? Like Gaia, Alaya, Soloman's Temple and Grail system etc?
 
How introducing chakra network in a para human work?will network subsume Corona?

In case of circuits will an external force like shard influence origin and element of user sameway as avalon acted in case of shirou?
 
SouvikKundu said:
How introducing chakra network in a para human work?will network subsume Corona?
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No. Since Chakra isn't supposed to subsume anything inside a body. In fact, most shards would be happy to find an internal source of energy for their dimensional shenanigans.
SouvikKundu said:
In case of circuits will an external force like shard influence origin and element of user sameway as avalon acted in case of shirou?
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Hmm... I would say not by themselves (unlike Avalon since it influenced Shirou while he didn't know about its presence).
However, the life of the host after he received a shard should influence the origin and element.
 
In case if chakra not subsume the Corona will it not create chakra imbalance? After all Chakra madeup with yin and yang. If you include Experience of Shard in the mix without subsuming it than it will make ratio shift too much towards Yin. I mean shards are billions of year old that makes users chakra network madeup only with Yin chakra not a single bit of yang.
 
andreykl said:
Economy is crashing because Leviathan at minimum culled shipping, Behemoth destroyed things like oil fields and Simurgs ties a lot of resources into containment, plus general cleanup after Endbringer attacks, gangs with their collateral damage do not help matters. While releasing reproducible super tech might disturb some industry further, due to lack of that industry, resources are more likely to be relocated to other branches of industry.

Economy appears to be about to crash. Earth Bet likely is desperately looking for anything that will help to decentralize economy to make it sturdier to Endbringers. That super tech is exactly that, a chance to survive the crash. Some companies will be unhappy, are likely to end bankrupt, but otherwise super tech is a chance for Civilization to survive or even avoid global collapse that is enevitable at the moment.

Destabilized economy can be rebuilt later.
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This could work for a healthy world but worm is not a healthy world. Any crash now simply speeds up the timeline of disaster, better to fix things first and then slowly over the time market can integrate these super techs. Agree to disagree.

But whatever the author has chosen to hand wave and plot armor these problems away for the mc so there is no point discussing it any further.
 
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Baran3 said:
ou never play Exalted.
The sacrifice shows the worth of the power. There are 3 tiers of power in Exalted sorcery. Each tier asked for a bigger sacrifice.
And I didn't lose the anchor, I show that Baran could form attachments. I still have the Subnautica PDA, it'll just have another name.
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Baran3 said:
Are you talking about the Sorcery Trials? Because there is no conflict with Luna. I repeat again, IT'S A JOKE! Let it go, damn it!
Yes, he was conflicted with the sorcery, but he did it nonetheless because it's a power that can't be ignored. The MC doesn't want to let any part of a power on the side, some might be the key for some situations.
And the Trials didn't change his mind but how he could perceive reality. That is the reason why he is screaming at the end of the chapter.
Everybody change with time and situations.
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Ya I have never played Exalted just read the jumpdocs, I dont know anything about Lunar exalts and sorcery other than what you have told us through the story.

Well he may still have the PDA but he lost the personality module, what made the AI snark and fun, which is what I mean. We already knew he could form bonds that's not in question, what I meant is, is sacrificing something you have a bond with worth the power that this sorcery gives, how strong is it? And this is also a question of slippery slopes, if the magic needs greater and greater sacrifices to upgrade then is it really worth it?

What is the biggest sacrifice he would have to make at max, like whats a example of it, a arm? part of his soul? his friends?
 
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SouvikKundu said:
Will we see some bloodline cropping up due to so many external factors? Circuits and blessing of Luna etc?
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No. It would complicate the story.
Trek said:
is it really worth it?
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That is the question every sorcerer asks himself.
Put simply, we have two things here: first, the game mechanism to acquire sorcery (you have to do that to obtain this).
The second is the drama of the situation. There must be a sacrifice. Is what the character doing worth that? The agony, the agony.
Trek said:
What is the biggest sacrifice he would have to make at max, like whats a example of it, a arm? part of his soul? his friends?
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Can't say. I never was able to go beyond the first tier with my RPG characters and none of my players was willing to also go beyond... They all prefer to focus on martial arts...
As an example, Thrice-Radiant Misho, a solar Twilight Exalt from "Keychain of Creation" sacrificed his ignorance for the last tier, the Solar-level sorcery. (that meant he knew about everything but couldn't do a thing)
And from your examples, an arm, the eyes or your sense of hearing, and a friend are amongst the possibilities.

Edit: It's very much like a certain anime about alchemy, don't you think?
 
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Baran3 said:
Edit: It's very much like a certain anime about alchemy, don't you think?
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Indeed, equivalent exchange but in the case of alchemy, I guess you can regen a arm with tech at least, with sorcery who know it may rip out that part of your soul which lets you use a arm.

Baran3 said:
Can't say. I never was able to go beyond the first tier with my RPG characters and none of my players was willing to also go beyond... They all prefer to focus on martial arts...
As an example, Thrice-Radiant Misho, a solar Twilight Exalt from "Keychain of Creation" sacrificed his ignorance for the last tier, the Solar-level sorcery. (that meant he knew about everything but couldn't do a thing)
And from your examples, an arm, the eyes or your sense of hearing, and a friend are amongst the possibilities.
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Maybe if mc goes for it he can choose something he can recover, for example sacrifice a eye or arm and then just regen it with tech.

Like for example could he have backed up Viva module before deleting it? or can he simply destroy the PAD and wait for it to regen repaired and recovered with Viva. Or would that not work as its not really a true sacrifice.
 
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Trek said:
Indeed, equivalent exchange but in the case of alchemy, I guess you can regen a arm with tech at least, with sorcery who know it may rip out that part of your soul which lets you use a arm.
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Oh no, you can replace it because the effort needed to do it (that is making an artifact) is consequent.
Trek said:
Or would that not work as its not really a true sacrifice
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That wouldn't have worked as a real sacrifice.
If you want other examples, in Keychain of Creation, a character sacrificed the last memento of her father. Another had to forgive her mother who made her childhood hell.

Edit: in the case of Baran while the PDA is intact, only a program module promptly replaced was erased.
Baran lost Vida, his first help on Earth Bet. This was pure drama.
 
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Question is this a multi pairing because it doesn't make sense to do a single pairing in celestial forge stories the concept itself would be against it .considering the insane amount of characters in the forge itself.so only no pairing or multi pairings seems logical I'm genuinely curious how you going to get this to work when there's several characters who won't get along with other girls or men.depending on the protagonists gender identification.unless you plan on only pulling male characters out from now on or no characters at all.
 
Multi-pairing...?
For now, this is just Danzou and Baran. I fail to see the problem.
True they should be others, either summoned by the CF or created by Baran's perks or even recruited in the native population.
But where do you see multi-pairing?
I don't think I can write a harem protagonist story... Although it should be fun to write it as a joke. Maybe some teasing from the girls (encouraged by Danzou) who can see the humoristic side of the situation.
 
Isn't Katou a doll like an actual doll um how would the relationship work if she's technically an inanimate a object unless you give her a full on human form and they're relationship should of taken quite a long while because a servant doesn't remember they're previous summons so she should still be in a transition period of her thought process from tool to human,and are you planning on more jumps
 
Trek said:
This could work for a healthy world but worm is not a healthy world.
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1. In a healthy 'world' proposition meets demand (at least somewhat). But on Bet there should be an extreme shortage of quite a few resources, like rare metals and oil products. Something that substitutes that (by getting results with different resources or by using less resources) is welcome and increases chances of civilization's survival even if economy crashes.
2. Existing government, thinkers and companies won't go anywhere, and Bet's economists should have lots of experience navigating in the field of crashing economy. They will see the problem and will regulate it for a better outcome.
3. At the moment MC doesn't release tech for general public, doesn't upload it to internet for an uncontrollable spread. As it is the tech will be checked, pattented and people that need to know will know through normal channels, so the 'problem' will be controllable.

Trek said:
Any crash now simply speeds up the timeline of disaster
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And how is that a problem?

It's going to happen either way without supertech. Spreading supertech around raises chances of civilization rebuilding after that event, even if it speeds up disaster (which I somewhat doubt). And 'disastering' earlier is actually beneficial - more population and workforce for a recovery in comparison to after endbringers wiping out a dozen more major cities.
 
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Conflict!

That's what I couldn't place and felt too lacking until now.
- Thomas & friends were eliminated in the background.
- There was hardly any confrontation against the other gangs.
- The PRT is being reasonable.
- There is no teenage angst.
- We have an excellent ally/teacher/lover who helps for all scenarios.

Everything is very efficient and logical, are we really in Worm?
The "sacrifice" made me realize, I prefer the [HALPING] than a Path To Victory.

I don't know anything about Exalted, so I might be missing some detail, but did the guy really cry because he ordered his servant to kneel?
 
josdhunt said:
Isn't Katou a doll like an actual doll um how would the relationship work if she's technically an inanimate a object unless you give her a full on human form and they're relationship should of taken quite a long while because a servant doesn't remember they're previous summons so she should still be in a transition period of her thought process from tool to human,and are you planning on more jumps
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No, end of the discussion, period.
andreykl said:
In a healthy 'world' proposition meets demand
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Besides, it'll be Brockton Bay first before I tackle the rest of the world. Let me have a semblance of foundation.
andreykl said:
They will see the problem and will regulate it for a better outcome.
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The first step is a patent with replicable tech, then we'll sell it to the government (because selling a patent doesn't mean the buyer has the sole exclusivity).
andreykl said:
At the moment MC doesn't release tech for general public, doesn't upload it to internet for an uncontrollable spread.
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Exactly. Moreover, nothing I released so far is replicable, it's tinkertech. And the scooters and protections are mundane modern tech.
andreykl said:
And how is that a problem?
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It is still a problem right now. I can't afford to let the economy tank so early or I'll need to become a warlord ruling over America.
Eibon_Alain said:
Everything is very efficient and logical, are we really in Worm?
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Yes, it should be more and more epic chapter after chapter.
Eibon_Alain said:
did the guy really cry because he ordered his servant to kneel?
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No, he cried AFTER ordering his servant to kneel because he was really afraid she was a slave to his will. He's crying in relief.
Eibon_Alain said:
- The PRT is being reasonable.
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No, they're not. They're still suspicious and that's why he's still "brownnosing".
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- There is no teenage angst.
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Well, the MC is an adult, so teenage angst...? Not really.
 
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