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Log Horizon Discussion Thread

Cannongerbil said:
Isn't Serara a Druid?

Actually, I think they have an example of each class amongst Log horizon other than monk and summoner.
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Yeah, Serara is a Druid, but she's technically not in Log Horizon.
So they've got like four/five slots open, even if Serara and Kanami are probably going to join at some indefinite point in the future.
 
Tank
Guardian - Naotsugu
Samurai - Tohya
Monk - Open

DPS
Assassin - Akatsuki
Swashbuckler - Nyanta
Bard - Isuzu

Healer
Cleric - Tetra
Kannagi - Minori
Druid - Open

Caster
Enchanter - Shiroe
Sorceror - Rundelhaus Code
Summoner - Roe2(?)
 
Summoner, Druid and Monk are open, yes. I don't think Kanami or Roe2 and possibly not even Serara will join.
 
@Atreidestrooper posted a pretty detailed summary of Volume 9 over at the SB thread. Here it is, in case anyone wants to see it but doesn't have an account there:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/16688284/ said:
Right.

Really simply put, it is the story of yet another Adventurer who finally gets the message that where ever "here" is, there are people living in this place, and he's living in it too.
The major parts of the story were, interestingly enough, pretty much as shown in the Anime, though it could have delved in more depth about details, maybe use another episode or two.

In more detail, the Main Character of the Arc, Leonardo, was an Adventurer from the North American Server who took a Fairy Ring Teleport Device so he could get away from New York(Big Apple in Elder Tales), especially as he got fed up with the feuds that sprang up between the Guilds, which culminated in Food Riots and what not. It is implied that many Adventurers who didn't want to do with the feuds and riots left at the same time, though in different means than Leonardo did.
Leonardo ends up in the Chinese Server, around where Kazakhstan is in RL. The Arc opens with Leonardo giving up, as he had been trying to get out of the Trap that he accidentally triggered.
An Entire City is set up for the Trap, and while getting in was easy, getting out was almost impossible for a solo player; trying to get out of the city triggers a flag, spawning infinite amounts of weak ass monsters. As in, thousands and thousands of Level 52 monsters.

Our Froggy Assassin who built his character around a certain Mutant Ninja is first shown lying on his back in the middle of a street, just gazing upon the sky, thinking about starvation (and his favorite sushi bars) and how that could work, when a face pops in front of him.

That face is Kanami, who Leonardo first hopes that is a player of the Chinese Server and can call for help, but dashes his hopes when she reveals she had come from the European Servers, with her own team, trying to get to the Japan Server.
Said team includes Elias Hackblade and Coppelia. Of which Leonardo is surprised of Elias even being around; he's supposed to be a NPC of the North European Servers, and a member of the Knights of the Red Branch.
The text goes in to much detail about the difference between Landers and Ancients, how it should be impossible for NPCs and Players (note that Leonardo hasn't managed to adjust to the situation as much as he likes to think) to work together, and so on.

Then they start a mad dash out of the City, of course with Kanami leading the way and Leonardo thinks it to be a reckless act caused from despair at the situation.
However, they manage to carve a decent way out all by themselves, with Leonardo utilizing his Assassin Skills to full effect, and Elias' insane powers, which manage to drive home to Leonardo that Elias is the real deal and not some wannabe Adventurer masquerading as the character.
The unexpected thing for Leonardo, is that Kanami's damage output is insane for a Monk, as she had been practically One Hit Killing Monsters, which was beyond even a Top Rank Assassin like himself.
(Dragon Howl was the original Fifth Arc of Log Horizon, which was deemed unpublishable due to Copyright as it referenced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; when it first came out in around 2011 stuff like Overskills/Kuden were not even defined yet in the story.)
Leonardo quickly realizes, that while Elias' insane powers (with the arbitrary limits imposed upon him) were explainable with him being an Ancient, Kanami's was impossible.
Though soon enough the four of them manage to get out of the City, where a white Haku-Taku(a mystical horse from Chinese Myth) suddenly appears and picks up Kanami and Coppelia with the two men left running on their feet.

That night, the four of them swap stories, or more like Leonardo listens them, and especially why Kanami wants to go East; the newest Expansion is applied in Japan, and likely the cause of everything. Nothing new here, beyond some description of New York City and how it translated into Elder Tales' Big Apple.
Though only in two paragraphs, it is noted that something like the Round Table almost came to be in Big Apple, but there wasn't a Shiroe nor a Nureha and it promptly collapsed when feuds and riots occurred, of which the June 1st Food Riots became the straw that broke the camel's back, turning Big Apple into Pre-Silver Sword Susukino.

Then KR starts talking in his Horse Form, and the discussion enters the topic about Summoners and their relationship with their summons, and how KR even managed to pull his trick of becoming a horse off; a spell called Soul Possession was one of the few ways for a Summoner to control their Summons, though it left the Adventurer themselves become vulnerable to attack, especially as the camera centered on the summon and not the PC, which made it a joke spell in the Game. As it no longer was a Game, the Joke spell now had new uses.
While this, Kanami makes a remark, as in "did the Japan Server become a Zoo? Are you all Animals? That's awesome!", which Leonardo ignores and KR uses to jab at Kanami.

This part ends with KR's remark about how so many Adventurers were so used to having the Internet and referencing Wikis that they are useless without them, or at least KR believes so after two months of roaming about the Asian Continent, as in the Russian and Chinese Servers, and seeing much chaos. KR implies that situations like the Goblin King happened... but not enough Adventurers volunteered to fight.

The group continue their voyage, and reach the small village where they meet that possessed boy. KR makes a comment that there should be a large city there as there is one in Real Life, but instead there was a small village instead due to the developers using automated tools geared towards making filler content. This comment flies over Elias' head, as he is an Ancient. KR rephrases as the village being so small for standing in such an important pass as an intriguing mystery.

The Small Village itself is unremarkable (which Leonardo notes as the auto tools were doing their job right, given it is filler content after all), like other villages that Leonardo had passed through, though he notes that their expressions were much brighter compared to the Landers he saw in Big Apple. The interesting thing about the village is that it is noted to have no 'walls' in particular, only weak stuff to keep the wolves and such out.

Leonardo asks Kanami and Elias' journey, and gets the answer that they come all the way from Europe; his unmentioned question is answered too, as Elias tells Leonardo the situation. The notable Lander power blocs of the European Servers have fallen apart, individual City States grabbing up Adventurers and hoarding them as Strategic Weapons against the developing situation, while the rural parts are left in disrepair, villages disappearing over night due to Monsters wiping them out.

Coppelia supplies her own tale about such a village, mechanically depicting the lives of the villagers and how she made contact with them, and how she had been constantly following the last orders she had received, which was to hunt Ghouls. When she came back to the village one day, there were no villagers and only few dozen Ghouls. She killed them all.
She remarks that if Kanami hadn't appeared, she would have kept following her last orders, which horrifies Leonardo.

Then the possessed boy appears, action happens. The boy is apprehended and the kid stays. Stuff about the possession is discussed pretty much as it did in the Anime though in much more detail, such as the village elder having a name and KR standing outside during the discussion; along with the possession only starting to happen very recently.
Also, the boy isn't from the village, but from one of the villages in the same area.

The event on the Rock is pretty much as it is in the Anime, though Leonardo's thought process about his Overskill(though he doesn't call it that) is explained in more detail, which sheds a light about why he's up there shadow training.
He had been looking up what sort of motions triggered the skill Deadly Dance, which starts with sticking his left hand forward; by ending a skill by sticking his left hand out, it would theoretically continue on to Deadly Dance without pause, which he could use as another trigger for another skill, which would loop back to Deadly Dance, and so on.
He starts out his training by using the icon for the skill and learns the motion for one instance of the skill, then copies it with his own muscle memory until he can execute the skill without triggering the icon.
Unlike the Anime, Coppelia is besides Leonardo as he starts his training.

The next few events were greatly shortened in the Anime.

In the original story, the Lelang Wolf Brigade(or whatever you call them) send their scouts, which lead them to the massive infestation in that weird tower, Tone's Grave.
While the Anime completely skip this part, the original story tells in length about why the Lelang Wolf Brigade even cared enough to muster a Legion-Raid class force; the Guild had entrenched themselves in a City with a Cathedral but no Guild Hall, which meant no Bank nor Royal Guard, after fleeing the Major Player Cities in the Chinese Servers.
They had technically made themselves part of the City they chose to stay, while the Brigade started taking jobs as Caravan Guards, which was a quest back when it was a game. This connected the City with the Guild deeply, to the point that the members takes it personally for failing to protect the Caravan, like when Chun-Lu shows up, as it has been months since the Guild entrenched themselves with the Landers of the City, most of them Caravan Runners.
The Scouts started out as a training exercise, but soon became an important part of their information gathering and soon became their main job when they are not doing Caravan Guards. This particular group of scouts were part of a major push to hunt down the Gnolls, which had been harassing multiple Caravans and were a thorn in their side.

So that leads to the part where the scouts discover the unnatural mass of Gnolls around the Tone's Grave, but are ambushed by something and promptly die.

It is the next day.
The scene is the one with Kids harassing Leonardo, Kanami ribbing KR about horses and love from the Anime, though the order is reversed in the Anime from the book.
Leonardo returns to the Rock, starts training again, meets KR there and the two men talk about the Adventurers causing chaos, and how Japan is relatively calm compared to some places. And Level 91 Adventurers too.
KR notes how the Chinese Player Cities are taking it hard, with self-styled Emperors taking them over and effectively re-enacting Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

KR talks about the Situation in Yamato(note on how KR uses 'Yamato' and not 'Japan Server') and that the problem involves five hundred thousand people, to which Leonardo flips out, since there are supposed to be only thirty thousand Adventurers as KR says. That Landers were NPCs, not people.
KR gives Leonardo a Look and tells him to really adapt to what is happening; who are the intruders here, the Landers or the Adventurers?
The Landers are the people living in the world, and if the Adventurers fail to connect with them, then the Adventurers are reduced to living like animals.

KR goes on to talk about how humans are social creatures, and it isn't strength that defines a person, but how they use society to forward their own means, in whatever way. That goes the same for both Adventurers and Landers, they both need information and society to function properly. And in this case, the Landers already have their own established network, while the Adventurers have lost the advantage of living in the Information Age and are left effectively blind.

The question, then, is how to connect with the Landers. Use them or Work with them; KR tells Leonardo to stop ignoring the Landers, for that just leads to the Abyss.
Leonardo is left confused with the whole debate, though having seen Big Apple fall helps him in gaining perspective about the idea of Landers being people.

A couple of days pass, and there are descriptions of the events that pass during the time. The odd group help out the village in their own way, but Leonardo is the most popular with the kids, which leads to Leonardo fleeing to the Rock.
His training progress is slow but sure, and his experience as an Engineer back home helps in keeping up with the tedious task of finding his own way of replicating Kanami's way of fighting.

Another two days later, Leonardo is the first one to see when the Caravan arrives... but in a sorry state, with only one horse, a middle aged man, and a young woman carrying most of the cargo on her back.
This is Chun-Lu, the Cleric, and the middle aged man is Jyu-Ha, the Caravan Master.

The next scene has Chun-Lu describing how the Caravan was lost to eighty Gnolls, and that the Guards tried to pull the Gnolls away from the Caravan, but to no avail. All Chun-Lu could do was run with Jyu-Ha, and while their Cargo was untouched the rest of the four man Caravan was slaughtered. Chun-Lu and Jyu-Ha had buried the remains(remember, the bodies don't immediately dissolve in the books), but Jyu-Ha tries to assuade Chun-Lu that death comes to all. Chun-Lu almost responds to it, but clamps down. Even so, everybody in the room understands what was left unsaid, "Adventurers come back to life."
Jyu-Ha intends to drop his Cargo in the Village, and go back to Seamanaqui, the city the Lelang Wolf Brigade had set up shop, to start from scratch.

Leonardo is confused with it all, and doesn't understand why everybody else is getting so worked up, though he feels respect for Jyu-Ha for having the guts to try again from the failure, but feels unsettled.
Kanami takes up the offer to act as Guards for Jyu-Ha, and Leonardo feels relieved, though he is confused by his emotions.

The next scene takes up a few days later, with Kanami telling Leonardo that they were lucky to have both Chun-Lu and Jyu-Ha as guides, to which Leonardo has to agree.
While Chun-Lu helped as being a seasoned guard used with Caravan Travel, without Jyu-Ha, the group could have lost the trail and become lost. Jyu-Ha has no fighting strength of his own, but was indeed a man who survived the deserts, and knew where to look for water and shelter.
Not having the hardiness of an Adventurer was indeed a drag, but that evened out with the Lander's knowledge of the desert and steppes.

His presence also helps the group in the shape of having camping necessities, which include portable fuel and tents.
Leonardo cannot but be grateful about those comforts; he had been doing without, trusting his physical abilities as an Adventurer before.

As Leonardo receives a hot cup of Tea from Chun-Lu, he asks her about the Raid that the Brigade has planned, and indeed has started marching towards Tone's Grave.
The Guild Master, named Ju-Hwang, himself is said by Chun-Lu to be leading the Hundered Man Squad(Lingo in the Chinese Server for Legion Raid, as in 96 Adventurers) assembled.

While some reminiscing by Leonardo about Raids and how the Raid should wipe out the Gnolls without a hitch, his thoughts get snagged by the Possessed Boy, and while both Elias and Leonardo share their doubts they can only warn and pray.

The next scene has the fight between the Raid and the Gnolls, now counting at least ten thousand.
The Gnolls don't stay dead, coming up like Zombies with their HP at Zero and still coming at the Raiders, and the Adventurers start to falter, making mistakes and taking damage.
Their spiritual backbone is damaged, as "HP : Zero" supposed to mean "DEAD", not moving like zombies.
Of course, this isn't critical; the Guild Master knows what he is doing, and send those more used to being mauled, like the Guardians, to the front line, while pulling back those less used to seeing the monsters in their face, like Sorcerers, to the back.
Things almost regain control.

Then the Black Dragon comes down.

The scene switches to the Genius, making their cryptic remarks that make much more sense now than way back then, and do their creepy routine as the Dragon mauls the Raid.
The Dragon has the same oddity happening to the Gnolls, with multiple lives taking the hit instead of dying.
Being a seasoned Guild, the Brigade manage to gain back control of the situation, but the initial strike by the Dragon had taken ten of their number, which is enough to make the fight a losing battle.
The Raid fight, down to the last member of the fight.

The scene switches again to the Group, where Leonardo is shocked with everything.
Pretty much things happen as they do in the Anime over a longer timespan, and it is during Coppelia telling Leonardo her own nature that KR comes rushing in with the news, and the reveal is delayed a bit but comes in the same sort of timing as the Anime.
In the LNs it is implied that Leonardo is starting to get close to Coppelia, and keeps trying to look away from all the telltales that she is an AI. Heck, KR evens says "Sorry to abort your little Date, Lovebirds" when he comes back with the news.
It is also revealed at this point, that Coppelia's nature as a RMT Bot seems to have affect on the Gnolls, depriving them of their "zombie mode", which evens out the score, but still their three to the Gnolls' thousands.

The switch is the same with the Anime, with Leonardo sitting dejectedly under the dawn sunlight, and yet again it is Coppelia's words that spur him to action.
KR does his thing, the Dragon appears, they fly off.

Scene Switch to Elias, who's fighting along side Kanami and Coppelia, though the situation is more like Elias and Kanami are charging in with Coppelia close behind.
The sad thing about this arc that the Anime had blissfully ignored, was that by the time the Trio had chosen to stop the force, there are already villages swallowed by the wave of Gnolls. With no sign of not caring in the slightest of the damage that they have wrought, which makes Elias' mind red with anger.
The story goes into detail about the Backstory of the Ancients, which is the history that they remember, along with the words that was sent from the Moon that had put them into forceful sleep, which Elias would have kept sleeping if not for Kanami.
It goes on that their reckless charge is that this time, a reckless charge, but the red hot anger in his veins keep Elias, Elias Hackblade, the Protector of All, to keep charging in.

Switch back the Garnet Dragon, with KR and Leonardo on the back.
This scene is chock full of action, with the Garnet Dragon and Black Dragon entering a dogfight, Leonardo being the CIWS with his Ninja Twin Blades against the Genius' tentacle missile barrage. Even then the cut off tentacles spill acid, gradually damaging the Dragon, which force it to make evasive maneuvers even while keeping the Black Dragon within ten meters in front of it, a mean feat.
During this dog fight, Leonardo meets eyes with Coppelia on the Ground, which flicks a switch in his heart.

Then Leonardo and KR has this exchange:
"I'm saying, can you drag that dragon to the ends of the world if I get those two off that back?"
"Leonardo, I just got here."
"Yeah?"
"If I die, I'm back to Yamato, so win or lose, this is where we part. You okay with that?"
"Fuck YES!" (this line is a direct quote from the Japanese Web LN itself, by the way)
*Que Fist bumping Chest, guess which is whose*

Then Leonardo does his Cowabunga jump.

The story jumps to KR, who has his moments. Simply put, KR, true to his nature as a Member of the DTP, had one or two more cards up his sleeve.
The Garnet Dragon, which used to be a mere Summoned Minion Rank Garnet Dragon, is freed from her Binds and becomes a full-blown Raid Rank Level 90 Garnet Dragon, and she promptly kicks the Black Dragon's ass...
But not before KR faints, falling to his death.

The point of view snaps back to the present, as in Post Scrub Horizon, in Ikoma; the story was basically being told by KR to someone else, though that someone is not Kazuhiko; KR is talking to a young girl who seems to sadistically torment KR for fun; it is implied that KR had personally befriended the Garnet Dragon after the Catastrophe and that the girl is the Dragon itself, using magic to make her look human. Their conversation goes to interesting places, like even those on the system side of things have a way to refer to Overskills and the like.
The name the Garnet Dragon gives them, is "The Skills of Titans", and those who learn them seem to overlap with those KR himself calls "Protagonist Material".

Also, Things going on in Plant hwyaden are also alluded to, and that something is nigh to break; the Genius are afoot in Yamato too, and Kazuhiko's efforts are, from KR's point of view, misguided and will cause more problems in the long run.

In the end, KR thinks about the coming war, regardless what shape it might take or who he has to face, and that he has to get ready.

The story snaps back to Leonardo with the words "Though unlike the memories which KR could just look back in fondness, for Leonardo himself the fight was yet to be over, and it was to be a dirty, clumsy one."
While Leonardo regrets jumping like a loon, he attempts to smash the two into the ground, but Papus escapes, leaving Leonardo in free fall, and yet by some sort of miracle, he and the other Genius safely lands.

The Papus fight happens first, with the three hedged in; Papus had stabbed all the Gnolls around him in the head with his tentacles, effectively using them as his own attack drones.
This makes the three effectively trapped in, though Kanami's intense training with controlling her Overskill keeps her alive, and with Coppelia on her back they manage to give some space for Elias.
Elias faces Papus directly as in the Anime, and Elias actually keeps up a good fight no-selling anything that Papus throws at him. Though Papus gets to drive a nail in; in some way, the Genius can observe this energy called "Empathion", which seems to empower life in general for them, and the Landers used to lack this energy, and the Ancients more so than the others.
The Genius seems to have some sort of code that can interfere with beings that lack this energy, which Papus tries to do so on Elias again... which Kanami stops flat with her own outburst of illogical yet heartfelt welcome to Elias' existence. Reading it now, it seems that what Kanami does to people is feed others Empathion (probably emotional feedback), which seems to reflect Coppelia's comment about Kanami being "the Dawn that comes from the darkness of the Night" sort of thing.
Renewed with energy, his body thrumming with power, Elias again attacks Papus, which this time, with Kanami popping Papus into the air with an Air Combo Skill making him vulnerable, manages to kill Papus in one shot.

The last lines of this scene have this to say:
"His core self must have been weak. With a sloppy splat, in the middle of Papus' chest a large hole opened, almost fully encompassing his upper body. In the end, without freedom of movement nor the protection of his tentacles, he was merely a Normal Rank Monster.
Elias took ragged breaths as he glared at the Corpse of Papus, and he swung his sword clean. This strike heralded to Elias Hackblade of the Ancients his own rebirth, and this strike became the very first one in the War again the Genius."

Back to Leonardo, he is having a running fight against Rasfia, which both of their attacks fail to connect against the other, while for Leonardo is because he's that good, but for Rasfia... well, the Anime did that part correctly; weird, inhuman moves and shifting "names" that take the blow.
Leonardo gets it in his head that if he is to trust his new, untested skill, it was now.
So Leonardo stands still, raises his left arm, and triggers Deadly Dance, starting his new Combo he has started to create.

A large portion of the text devotes into explaining how Skills now function in the world after the Catastrophe/Eclipse/Whatever you call it, and what it means in relation with Leonardo's Overskill.
His new skill, which he calls "Parallel Plot", is rather simple as far as Overskills go; he simply eschews the use of the icons in his HUD, and uses his own body to 'trigger' a skill. A "manual trigger", if you will.
The catch is that he has to manually aim the attack that happens next, whereas using the Icons gives you Auto Aim and optimized body movement to constantly hit the target, no matter what.
Unless you have some prior experience with martial arts, it is almost impossible to pull off "Manual Triggers" in live combat conditions, unless you take the time to examine what sort of movement can act as a 'trigger' and learn every single quirk of all of your skills.
Deadly Dance, which is used by Leonardo as the starting point of his Parallel Plot, has one of the simplest Triggers, 'point left arm at target', and even that has seven different set of moves that results from it, all from just raising his just so.
Even then, its simple trigger motion is the reason he used it as a starting point.

And yet, Kanami had managed to pull that off with her Monk Skills, all of them (or at least ones she generally use), which allowed her to constantly chain attacks as long as her MP held up, with full control of using what Combo Skill at what timing, even flipping through stances on the fly.
For Leonardo, as Assassins don't have chain attacks, he chose to use Deadly Dance as a starting point, and then put another skill in between, then use Deadly Dance again, and so on.
Theoretically, he should be able to chain all of his skills, like Kanami somehow has done, but when he pulls it out he only has Deadly Dance under his belt that he can rely on as an opener.

This puts Rasfia on edge, and she starts spouting about "Al-Knowns" and "sparkling lights" while going all out on her attacks, but Leonardo ignores this and concentrated on chaining his Parallel Plot; he is an Assassin not a Monk, and that meant he hadn't the Health to prolong the fight.
His mind falls into a state of calm, constantly calculating, creating the Code that is his Plot, the Geek meeting the Hero and melting into one (well, probably a little over-dramatic, but bear with me, I always get excited when I get to this part), thoughtlessly flash stepping between trees on branches twenty meters above the forest floor.

Leonardo finally sees the short interval before shifting "names", and manages to slam an "Assassinate" into the Genius, killing it. His pre-attack one liner?
"Sorry, but I got a Date."

After taking his cordless bungee jump, he finds himself with multiple bad statuses and debuffs while lying on the forest floor, which left him with a sliver of his health left; if his final strike had been a few seconds late, he would have been dead.
But he did it, and finally he manages to accept the world is not Elder Tales, but something else.
Along with it, he accepts the position of being a Hero, as in being like one of the Mutant Ninjas he loved so much, and accept being not thanked, he wasn't doing it for that, after all.
He finds himself thinking about what, exactly, those Genius monsters were about.

When Kanami comes up, however, he chooses to just wing it. Life as a Hero is about running with the Flow, all he needs to do is get more tougher to face it.
While he watches the antics that Elias and Kanami go through, I finds himself being looked at by Coppelia, and he asks to be healed for the first time, after telling his name.

The last lines of the Arc are Leonardo's words as he is healed by Coppelia.

"Coppelia."
"Yes"
"Coppelia, you have a soul."
"?"
"You have one, I can see it. Coppelia's soul is the color-"
The color of healing magic, like cherry blossoms, coming out your slender fingers, Leonardo declared.

Well, that took a while. About six hours of typing, give or take?

The actual number of Chapters of the Arc are ten, I split it to Six parts since it felt natural to break it that way. Oh, and I didn't want a wall of text by putting it behind one spoiler, so there is that. I still think I missed stuff, but that should cover some ground.

When I think about the Kanami Arc, I think I can guess that they had to cut massive amounts of content out to fit the Anime code and keep the Anime relatively light-hearted, as there are some gruesome stuff in this Arc, if you know where to look.
But still, one Episode? Oh, come on, DEEN and NHK.
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Kyte said:
Summoner, Druid and Monk are open, yes. I don't think Kanami or Roe2 and possibly not even Serara will join.
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I don't know about Serara, the Catman is too tempting for her. The hot springs scene (which has zero fanservice unless you like Roe2's sexy back) showed everyone that her delusions over Nyanta have only gotten worse.
 
I think s/he is exploiting an Idol overskill to be teleport next to a target character.

Also huh. Ethical Incubators.
 
This is an interesting complication. I'm left wondering if Roe 2 is an alien who took over an unused character (if so, why didn't the bot get taken over, because it wasn't on the moon? Because it never was 'inhabited' by a player?) or if she's an alt character who thinks she's an alien? And does it really matter either way?
 
The Genius might be beta monsters, new ideas that weren't implemented yet, and old ideas that weren't approved because they were broken/not fun/too complicated.
 
If I'm reading this correctly, this is basically what's happening, right?
 
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Also huh. Ethical Incubators.
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Not really. It seems more that the observer units consider the Adventurers to be equivalent intelligences/entities to their creatures and thus have prior claim to this 'resource patch'/dimension etc.

I imagine that if all the Adventurers left and the People of the Land still didn't register as high enough 'intelligences' it would be empathion strip mining time again.
 
Going by the Genius being Class 2, it seems Class 2 is basically smart animal(intelligent in its given domain but has nothing else)/simple task AI levels and legit to exploit.
 
They seem to have capacity for making decisions. Plus, the fact Adventurers are Rank 3 and rated higher than Landers implies Landers are Rank 2 as well.
 
So, empathions sound something like raw emotions or thoughts. Roe 2 talks about how inefficient speech is for conveying thoughts compared to empathions, or something like that. Has it been explained to far exactly what're they?

Also, which volume are we on now. We've covered Stray Child and Kunie, Sparrows and Kanami, so this is Volume 10?
 
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Also, which volume are we on now. We've covered Stray Child and Kunie, Sparrows and Kanami, so this is Volume 10?
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Yeah, the Web LNs are almost set up to stand side by side with the Anime version, with much detail being dropped in the Anime version compared to the Web LN version, though basic events are the same.
 
No she said speech is inefficient, the implication is she's comparing it with some sort of direct communication system (prolly telepathy or hivemind or whatever). Empathion is a resource.
 
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