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Cmd. Frost said:
You know given the state of Remnant, whichever version you choose to believe, I somehow doubt that under age drinking is quite the issue that the governments of Earth make it.
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I imagine it would, or should, be of some importance to the coppers of Vale.

Drunken violent teenagers can be a serious hazard to themselves and others right now.

Grossly superhuman drunken violent teenagers who can and do legally own lethal weapons are, quite possibly, a lot worse.

Like if the 16 year old who tried to mug me in a park a few years ago whilst armed with a bread knife and pissed on cider was actually allowed to own, and was carrying, a transforming High-Frequency bread knife/autocannon combo, was superhumanly strong, superhumanly durable, and still drunk on cider, I'd have been attending my closed casket funeral shortly after.

Also posthumously embarrassed at having been murdered by a 16 year old pisshead, but that's neither here nor there.

Edit: to be clear, it was all fine because my friends and I laughed at him and walked off, but if he hit like a truck and was packing a gatling iPod or something then uuuuuuuuh

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Claudette Savagely said:
And drinking tends to lead to being drunk, yes.

What is your point and why should anyone care?

Are you so committed to defending this particular emotional investment of yours that you want to contest the idea that using an intoxicant can lead to intoxication?
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I think he's just arguing the difference in severity.

While illegal in the U.S. A teen drinking a single beer isn't really an issue.

A teen drinking an entire 6 pack would be a different issue.
 
BrokenAscendent said:
I think he's just arguing the difference in severity.

While illegal in the U.S. A teen drinking a single beer isn't really an issue.

A teen drinking an entire 6 pack would be a different issue.
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Given that my post was explicitly about hypothetical teenagers who were drunk and violent, and implicitly about the additional hazards posed to people by drunk violent teenagers with super powers and actual infantry weapons, there's basically no reason for Aris to say "having a small amount of alcohol is not necessarily bad".

It's such a general statement that it has no application with respect to the scenario in question, or the specific point about how intoxication can cause harm edit: by impairing judgement, inhibiting impulse control, and therefore making violent action more likely. It follows very clearly that superstrength makes this potential harm far worse, ergo stopping super strong people getting pissed is good for everyone.

No shit a young french person having a half glass of white with their parents at dinner once a week isn't the same as a bloke from borstal out on the lash.

What next? Are they going to remind us that money can be exchanged for goods and services after someone discusses bribery?
 
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Claudette Savagely said:
And drinking tends to lead to being drunk, yes.

What is your point and why should anyone care?

Are you so committed to defending this particular emotional investment of yours that you want to contest the idea that using an intoxicant can lead to intoxication?
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My point is that I've drunk hundreds of times, and in my 38 years of life I've only been drunk once, and that one mildly. So you better be very careful about restricting healthy well-balanced people's freedom, because *you* have a drinking problem to the point you think that drinking 'tends to lead to being drunk'.

There are probably a thousand people that drink responsibly for any single person for whom drinking will lead to them being drunk. So no, for the vast majority of people drinking doesn't 'tend to them being drunk'.

So that's my point, and I don't give a damn about whether you personally care about it, since you started by psychoanalysing me over the internet just for the horrible crime of saying drinking isn't the same as being drunk.

EDIT: And btw your horrible drinking laws contribute to teen drunkenness, as it means the first alcohol of teens will inevitably be done without adult supervision and treated by them as some sort of cool rebelliousness. So if you wanna argue for your horrible anti-drinking laws, your drunken teenager assholes are actually an argument against such laws.
 
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Aris Katsaris said:
My point is that I've drunk hundreds of times, and in my 38 years of life I've only been drunk once, and that one mildly. So you better be very careful about restricting healthy well-balanced people's freedom, because *you* have a drinking problem to the point you think that drinking 'tends to lead to being drunk'.

There are probably a thousand people that drink responsibly for any single person for whom drinking will lead to them being drunk. So no, for the vast majority of people drinking doesn't 'tend to them being drunk'.

So that's my point, and I don't give a damn about whether you personally care about it, since you started by psychoanalysing me over the internet just for the horrible crime of saying drinking isn't the same as being drunk.
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Aris, you are being willfully oblivious to Claudette's original point.

Picture the amount of trouble a drunken teenager can get into in our world. Now imagine what someone with Yang's super strength could do. I've watched drunken college students bounce into walls, pound on things to make a point, and poke people with a finger to try and keep their attention. Yang could crash through walls, destroy furniture, and seriously injure anyone who doesn't have Aura.

So unless you can somehow guarantee that no teen with an active Aura will ever get drunk it is worth considering.

Note this is the same kind of consideration that has lead to things like laws against driving while under the influence (alcohol or something else) and generations of firearms instructors telling their classes not to mix alcohol and guns. The difference is that Yang, Ruby, or pretty much the entire cast of RWBY are permanently armed, permanently behind the wheel of something that could hurt a lot of people.
 
Nicholai said:
Aris, you are being willfully oblivious to Claudette's original point.
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If the argument was that any person with superpowers shouldn't be allowed to drink you would have a point. But you both chose to focus on *teenagers* drinking instead, rather than saying people with superpowers in general shouldn't drink.

At that point the argument is no longer about treating superpowers cautiously. It's instead about justifying the same insanity as AngloAmerican attitudes about teens drinking as in our world.

I'd be much more worried about teens allowed to drive motorcycles than about them allowed to drink.
 
Claudette Savagely said:
Given that my post was explicitly about hypothetical teenagers who were drunk and violent, and implicitly about the additional hazards posed to people by drunk violent teenagers with super powers and actual infantry weapons, there's basically no reason for Aris to say "having a small amount of alcohol is not necessarily bad".

It's such a general statement that it has no application with respect to the scenario in question, or the specific point about how intoxication can cause harm edit: by impairing judgement, inhibiting impulse control, and therefore making violent action more likely. It follows very clearly that superstrength makes this potential harm far worse, ergo stopping super strong people getting pissed is good for everyone.

No shit a young french person having a half glass of white with their parents at dinner once a week isn't the same as a bloke from borstal out on the lash.

What next? Are they going to remind us that money can be exchanged for goods and services after someone discusses bribery?
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Mmm.

Just trying to see what they are saying.
 
Anyway, I have no problems with laws against drunk driving, public intoxication or any number of laws about what people can and can't do whilst drunk off their asses. I just believe that drinking age laws are moronic. Especially in the US where you can join the military and fight and die for your homeland at 18 but can't drink until you're 21. The same holds here, Yang is 17 and can train to fight Grimm, a large part of said training involving fighting said Grimm and yet, assuming drinking laws are the same in Vale as in the US she will get thrown out of a bar. It shouldn't be hard to understand why this is fucking stupid.
 
Aris Katsaris said:
I'd be much more worried about teens allowed to drive motorcycles than about them allowed to drink.
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Honestly, she's probably safer on a motorcycle than most people in real life. I mean, it's even arguable that she doesn't need a helmet, and could instead rely on her personal aura. Thus the main issue is the safety of others, and as long as she's licenced then her driving a motorcycle doesn't seem egregious.

Hell, it might even be safer for her to have a motocycle than a car: she has aura to protect her and her vehicle isn't going to be as dangerous for others(much less mass).
 
Cosar said:
Honestly, she's probably safer on a motorcycle than most people in real life. I mean, it's even arguable that she doesn't need a helmet, and could instead rely on her personal aura. Thus the main issue is the safety of others, and as long as she's licenced then her driving a motorcycle doesn't seem egregious.

Hell, it might even be safer for her to have a motocycle than a car: she has aura to protect her and her vehicle isn't going to be as dangerous for others(much less mass).
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Point, though we didn't know about the aura when I first saw the Yellow trailer.

Honestly I do remember seeing her in the motorbike, thinking because of it she must be in her early 20s, then immediately we go to her being too young to drink! I don't remember what my thoughts were but I wpuldn't be surprised if they were something to the point of "Americans! They fuss about teenagers having a drink, and they don't fuss about teenagers riding two-wheeled machines of death".
 
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Aris Katsaris said:
If the argument was that any person with superpowers shouldn't be allowed to drink you would have a point. But you both chose to focus on *teenagers* drinking instead, rather than saying people with superpowers in general shouldn't drink.

At that point the argument is no longer about treating superpowers cautiously. It's instead about justifying the same insanity as AngloAmerican attitudes about teens drinking as in our world.

I'd be much more worried about teens allowed to drive motorcycles than about them allowed to drink.
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Right. So rather than actually answer the point about drunken, super-powered teenagers and the damage they can do you are dragging the argument to the "AngloAmerican attitudes about teens drinking as in our world" argument.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's straw manning, isn't it?

Also note that, go figure, I assumed most people could use logic and see that if super-powered teenagers were a potential problem super-powered anyone is a potential problem when they are drunk.
 
Cmd. Frost said:
Especially in the US where you can join the military and fight and die for your homeland at 18 but can't drink until you're 21. The same holds here, Yang is 17 and can train to fight Grimm, a large part of said training involving fighting said Grimm and yet, assuming drinking laws are the same in Vale as in the US she will get thrown out of a bar. It shouldn't be hard to understand why this is fucking stupid.
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You seem to be focusing on the idea that 'can drink' and 'can fight and die for your country' are both connected to adulthood to conclude that allowing the latter earlier than the former is 'fucking stupid'.

I'm not really sure why you'd assume adult-ness is the driving factor here. My personal experience suggests that, if any kind of underlying logic drives it, it has to do with the fact that teenagers tend to test boundaries and alcohol lowers inhibitions, and those two together leads to fairly out-there behavior in terms of seriously violating social norms. In RWBY's case, if we take the 'Grimm are drawn to negative emotions' idea seriously, I can totally buy that a culture living in such a world doesn't really want its already-volatile teenagers made even more volatile, because of the dangers inherent therein.

For that matter, in a world with superpowers where some citizens have their Aura activated and many don't seem to, I wouldn't be surprised if people card youth in general because there's no other sane way to keep alcohol out of the hands of your teenager superpowered people (You can't pass out a 'I'm not a Hunter' card to everyone, that's insane, and a Hunter could just go somewhere nobody is going to recognize them), and a super-teen getting pissed could easily seriously hurt non-superpowered people without even meaning to.

Mind, the real answer is probably that the writers just ported real-world laws and stuff in without thinking of any of it -if Vale were coherently handled as a realm on the brink of apocalypse thanks to the slavering hordes of demonic hellbeasts swarming just beyond the barely-holding walls, I'd honestly expect most any writer who thought about it for any time at all to come to the conclusion that Vale would much prefer its citizens drink heavily rather than think too hard about how shit the world they live in is, or something in that vein- but it's actually not any kind of problem within the story, not by itself.

Yet.

(Note that I have zero opinions about drinking age laws myself. I don't drink because the stuff literally makes me ill, and I don't really care what other people get up to with alcohol so long as it doesn't bring trouble to me. Personally I'd prefer the thread stop derailing into sniping at American drinking laws and blah blah blah, and we go back to talking about RWBY, but if someone is going to insist on trying to characterize me as an American troglodyte who is only okay with Vale's drinking laws because I'm such a savage, I'm preemptively shutting any such nonsense down: I don't care about real-world drinking laws. We are talking about RWBY)
 
Nicholai said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's straw manning, isn't it?
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Mmm, no?

Nicholai said:
Also note that, go figure, I assumed most people could use logic and see that if super-powered teenagers were a potential problem super-powered anyone is a potential problem when they are drunk.
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Then why do you people keep focusing on *underage* drinking, if you meant drinking in general? Why do you keep babbling about teenagers this teenagers that?

Why does that guy react to my simple comment about drinking not being the same as drunkenness with the assholish implication that I have a fucking emotional investment to drinkintg, and why do you pretend that was a remotely acceptable response for him to make to my comment?

So, no it isn't strawnanning, it isn't me being deliberately oblivious to his point, I'm addressing the exact points he is making. He treats drinking as leading to drunkeness, I say it does not. He focuses on underage drinking. I say there's no sense in that.

My points address his argument and yours completely and to the point. If you disagree, fine, but don't be an asshole.
 
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Aris Katsaris said:
Then why do you people keep focusing on *underage* drinking, if you meant drinking in general? Why do you keep babbling about teenagers this teenagers that?
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He didn't say he was talking about drinking in general. He was saying that it was based on practical considerations and not some arbitrary idea of adulthood so the military signup age has nothing to do with it.
Aris Katsaris said:
EDIT: And btw your horrible drinking laws contribute to teen drunkenness, as it means the first alcohol of teens will inevitably be done without adult supervision and treated by them as some sort of cool rebelliousness. So if you wanna argue for your horrible anti-drinking laws, your drunken teenager assholes are actually an argument against such laws.
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The effect of such laws is that they prevent teenagers from buying alcohol from shops. Teenagers can still get alcohol if an adult purchases for them but in that case the result is the responsibility is that of the adult / parent that gave it to them. Teenage drinking is a bad idea because of puberty. Teens get a bunch of new impulses and hormones that it takes time to get a handle on, they don't need drugs further impairing their judgement. Adolescence is also a crucial period of mental development, Alcohol and other recreational substances can interfere with this development and lead to long term brain damage. The effects of alcohol on the adolescent brain | Queensland Health.
 
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MrCogmor said:
The implication of foul play comes from the fact that Yang is highly identifiable and committed several major crimes but doesn't appear to have suffered any official consequences.
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I doubt any of the gangsters wanted to press charges or cooperate with the investigation. When criminals gets assaulted, their response to the cops is usually, "I didn't see nothing."


Ghoul King said:
specifically that his reaction to his new circumstances was waaaay too chirpy, and it makes Aang look like he doesn't care about his long-dead Air Nomad culture, etc.
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Did this reviewer actually watch the series? Aang doesn't find out that his people are dead until the third episode, at which point he completely loses his shit.
 
The Narrator said:
I doubt any of the gangsters wanted to press charges or cooperate with the investigation. When criminals gets assaulted, their response to the cops is usually, "I didn't see nothing."
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I figure there would be at least some civilians at the night club. It could be possible that the Mafia wanted to enact their own form of revenge and used their own connections to get rid of the police. Raven then intervened and put an end to all thoughts of revenge on their part.
 
The Narrator said:
I doubt any of the gangsters wanted to press charges or cooperate with the investigation. When criminals gets assaulted, their response to the cops is usually, "I didn't see nothing."



Did this reviewer actually watch the series? Aang doesn't find out that his people are dead until the third episode, at which point he completely loses his shit.
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Reviewers don't watch series, that's Canon. :V:V:V
 
@Ghoul King : You really do sum up very well why the trailers waste a ton of potential.
I heavily suspect that the makers of RWBY didn't go and say that the first piece of media they produced should convey essential character traits. The first two trailers are cool fight scenes, Black is "my OCs tragic backstory", and then Yellow is just an utter mess as you described so well. So in a post-mortem of RWBY, we can see quite well how the problems started really early, in the trailers.
 
The Narrator said:
Did this reviewer actually watch the series? Aang doesn't find out that his people are dead until the third episode, at which point he completely loses his shit.
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It's sort of ironic that you're accusing this reviewer of not watching the series when you don't seem to have actually read my post, since I alluded directly to the part where Aang doesn't react within the pilot pair of episodes (To learning it's been 100 years, which directly implies he's never going to see eg Gyatso again), and then the series immediately gets to establishing appropriate angst the very episode after the pilot. (Where he specifically learns about the annihilation of his people) The dissonance, and it being a clear product of being the pilot being the pilot (As made obvious by Episode 3 quickly 'fixing' the issue) is exactly my point.

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BrokenAscendent said:
Reviewers don't watch series, that's Canon. :V:V:V
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PRETEND I WITTILY BUILT UPON THIS IN RELATION TO THE NARRATOR"S POST TO MAKE A GOOD JOKE
 
Sooo...

Rather then talking about the Yellow trailer, lets talk about Jaune! That will make people calm down and enable civil discourse. /Sarcasm

From the Reddit AMA earlier today/yesterday. @Leila Hann don't click on the links. The AMA had unmarked spoilers for the whole show.

On Jaune being Miles' self insert character Kerry said: "In the first few Volumes, if Jaune was in a scene it was almost always because either Monty or myself wanted him in a scene. From the very beginning, Monty was very big on having that archetype of character be fairly prominent in the show. Miles has always been incredibly hesitant to insert Jaune into scenes, to the point where he's voiced before that he wishes sometimes that he didn't voice him. So, if people want to be mad at someone for Jaune being in scenes, take it out on Monty and I :p"

Milles added to that: "Yeahhh, more or less what Kerry said. I won't lie and say that I didn't have fun getting to do lines in the booth. It's always a pleasure to get to do more acting, especially if it's a character that gets to do more dramatic scenes. But yeah, the accusations that Jaune was a "self-insert" really started to get to me over the years, to the point where I began actively avoiding writing scenes that had him in it. Now if I was voicing someone like Torchwick. Bro. Fuckin' rename the show "Teenagers Get their Butts Kicked by Awesome Badguys: The Roman Torchwick Hour of Villainy - Starring, Written, and Directed by Miles 'Loves Playing Villains' Luna""
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So according to the writers, Jaune isn't a Self Insert Mary Sue. Just a Mary Sue.
 
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