Let's read Worm and its sequel Ward by Wildbow (One chapter/every day)

Colin was legitimately nominated. Jack nominated Oni Lee, but he failed the pre-test.


Gallant's family bought a vial for their son, and the guy who bought the five vials the Merchants stole planned to give them all to his kids and their friends without taking one himself.


Wildbow released an interlude later in Worm that provided some information about Shatterbird's backstory. The interlude was taken down due to the present-day sections not making sense, but the Shatterbird backstory is still canon. You want to hear it now or wait until we reach the point where the interlude was released?


Like the time you thought Sophia's trigger was from rape, someone else had the same thought as you and asked Wildbow about it.

-Wow, I'm surprised Colin is the candidate. He isn't a S9 material at all. Hanah would have made a better S9 material because of her mental problems+ the murders she directly committed in the past (well, her murders were perfectly justified, but maybe S9 don't see the situation like this). What was in Mannequin's plastic head? He sucks at recruiting then. He and the super-boring lady Shatterbird ended turning their nominees into their enemies :) This is actually fun to watch S9 failing at some of their purposes.
-Wow, I didn't expected Gallan's powers to be via Cauldron. Too bad that his powers didn't helped him too much against Leviathan :(. So I guess Shatterbird's family bought powers for her to make her strong or heroic but she was recruited by S9 and turned into a boring villain instead of probably becoming.... a boring hero.
-No, I don't want to know now her's (probably) sad backstory. Because it might contain some spoilers about other characters/situations. You'll tell me when the right moment will come, thank you :).
-Did Wildbow ever explained Sophia's trigger? I suppose that she triggered after her father abandoned her family, cause I can't see other reason. Her mother obviously loved her, she didn't went through a rape or any other abuse I'm aware of. Sophia is a big mystery and maybe I'll never find out why she became like this.
 
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-Did Wildbow ever explained Sophia's trigger? I suppose that she triggered after her father abandoned her family, cause I can't see other reason. Her mother obviously loved her, she didn't went through a rape or any other abuse I'm aware of. Sophia is a big mystery and maybe I'll never find out why she became like this.

Kinda-sorta. Wildbow has created documents for many of the cape classifications, and in them describes a variety of 'example' triggers for each combination of classifications (e.g. Master-Stranger, Tinker-Stranger, etc). One of those listed for the Breaker-Stranger combination seems to me to be strongly hinting that it's what Sophia's trigger was, and I think it also matches tidbits Wildbow has said elsewhere (but I can't find those other tidbits).

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Interlude 11f
Hey, glassbenders and...other benders, I'm glad to see you again waiting patiently for me to start reviewing another Interlude. Precisely this one 11.f | Worm So far we have 4 recruits for S9: Rachel (who doesn't like the idea but is "curious" to try the tests), Oni Lee (who got really fucked up and now he probably serves as one of Bonesaw's experiments), Colin (who decided: fuck this recruitment shit, I'll never be like them, I'm like me, I'm a hero and once I'll feel better, I'm gonna kick their ass with the help of my AI girlfriend) and Hookwolf (who also decided: I'm gonna play the mole inside S9 then try to kill them to protect my brothers and sisters. White Lives Matter!). Hookwolf is pretty similar with Taylor regarding to this undercover op, just like Taylor wanted to betray a villain organisation to heroes, Hookwolf dreams to destroy a super-villain organisation. But let's not forget that Taylor changed her mind because she got emotionally attached by her new friends. I'm dreading at the thought the Hookwolf might be forced to get emotionally attached by S9 and become for real one of them. Depends if either Hatchet Face or Crawler are Masters. I'm not counting the new member, because she's more like a GPS parahuman than anything else. But if she's acting like a GPS, able to locate where anyone might hide, maybe she have a way to "feel" them, possible by sensing their minds or their emotions. And if she can sense minds/emotions, then its not impossible for her to be another possible Master. So, Crawler, Hatchet Face and GPS Girl, one of them can be a Master. Alright, I think the new recruit is Alec or Skidmark. Home I'm right....hope I'm right...hope I'm....hope.....

If each of the tens of trillions of universes were like pictures, then they were organized into a mosaic, constantly rearranging itself and shuffling. Taken in as a whole, it was a muddle. Depending on how it shuffled, sometimes patterns emerged. A predominant color, perhaps, or lots of scenes that were blurs of motion and activity.
But there was more to it. There were faint sounds, for one thing, and they weren't just two-dimensional. Just the opposite – they were each a fully realized world, and each was continuous, like a slideshow or film reel that extended vast distances forward and backward from any of the scenes of focus. Things got even more complicated when each of the slideshow reels forked out and branched as they moved further away. The only thing stopping them were the terminus points. The first terminus wasn't complicated. The now, the present. It moved inexorably, steadily forward, consuming the individual realities as they ceased to be the future and became the now.
The other terminus was somewhat more ominous. Every branch ended at some point, some sooner than others.
Dinah Alcott knew that those branches were ones where she had died.
Ho....h....I WAS SO FUCKING WRONG! Dinah is one of S9 recruits? OMFG!!!!! How? Why????????????? This kid is innocent like a little angel. She's incapable to do anything bad to anyone. Even her power is harmless. She's not a murderbeast, she's a freaking victim. My God, Dinah is the ETERNAL VICTIM CHARACTER of Worm-verse. Its like the whole Worm-verse hates her and wants her to endure a perpetually suffering. Nobody suffered as much as Dinah (and even if they suffered at least they could defend themselves or they deserved to suffer). First, her power sucks big time, by giving her powerful headaches everytime when she's using it, then she was kidnapped by a monster and turned into his slave and now a whole group of monsters decided to recruit her and probably use her to gain an advantage in relation to everyone else. Dinah, your codename should be Eternal Scapegoat. Kind of fit you.

Right now, there were a lot of them, more coming into view with every passing second. Almost all of the images in the mosaic were either black or crimson. Either the lights were on and everything was covered in blood, or they were off, and she was effectively blind.
She concentrated, and the mosaic organized into two portions, one slightly larger than the other. In one half, that death-terminus came very soon. In the other, it was some distance off. She judged the size of the individual parts, and the number snapped into her head.
43.03485192746307955659 percent chance she would die in the next thirty minutes. The chance was steadily
ticking upward with each passing second, with possible realities becoming impossible and fading from her view, or being replaced with other possibilities, effectively shifting over to the other side.
Anxiety crept up on her. She wanted her 'candy', to take the edge off, to help clarify her thoughts.
Poor kid :( Ok, I can predict that this Interlude will be very sad. Any Chapter/Interlude featuring Dinah is inevitable very sad. I should prepare my tissues. Fuck this, I wasn't in the mood for a tear-exciting Interlude. Why are you doing this to me, Wildbow? What I have ever done to you, apart from butchering your brilliant work with my silly reviews :D? "sighs" So, the new S9 member (I suppose is Crawler. Please, be Crawler this time) wants to KILL her, not to recruit her. Maybe because they know that Dinah is a great help for their future enemies thanks to her power to see the future and making predictions based on percentages and they want to eliminate her. I absolute HATE to say that but...Coil, do a single good thing in your entire horrible life and protect your slave. At least you're keeping her alive even if you're doing a lot of bad things to her. They're going to kill her.

She knocked on the door to her room. She heard Coil say something on the other side and tested the knob. Finding it unlocked, she stepped through.
Coil sat at his desk, on the phone. She didn't want to talk to him, but she wanted to die less.
"It's unfortunate," Coil was saying. "Step up recon, call in a secondary team to ensure twenty-four seven surveillance. We'll want a replacement for our Leah the moment they start recruiting again. Yes. Good. Let me know."
He hung up.
"Coil?"
"What is it, pet?"
"Forty-four point two zero three eight three percent chance I die in the next half-hour."
He stood from his desk. "How?"
"Blood or darkness. Don't know."
"The chance I die in the next thirty minutes?"
She thought, and felt the mosaic shift into a new configuration. Coil's face predominated each tiny scene, active, speaking and alive in some, unmoving or dead in the others. "Forty two point seven zero nine percent for the worlds where I don't die. Don't know about the worlds where I'd die first."
"And, say, Mr. Pitter? The chance he dies?"
"Forty point-" She stopped as Coil raised a hand.
"So whatever it is, it happens here, and involves everyone here. Chance of survival if we leave?"
"Ten point six six four-"
"No. Chance the average person in the city lives if we leave?"
"Ninety-nine point-"
"So we're targets. It's not an attack on the city. If we mobilize the squads? To one decimal place?"
"Forty-eight point one percent chance I survive, forty-nine point nine percent chance you survive."
"No difference. Worse if anything," he said. She nodded, and he rubbed his chin, thinking.
Time was running out. She fidgeted.
"I need some candy, please."
"No, pet," Coil said, "I need you focused. What-"
She interrupted him, which always she tried to avoid doing, but she was feeling desperate. "Please. I've been using my power a lot. I'm going to get a bad headache, and then I won't be useful to you."
"No," he said, with more ferocity than she had expected. "Pitter isn't here to administer it, and won't be until this situation is over. Listen. Chance that we survive Crawler's attack if my soldiers use the laser attachments I've provided?
Crawler? Crawler.... FINALLY. I was finally right about Crawler...after 3 Interludes of expecting him to appear :D. How does this bastard Coil knows that Crawler is the one attacking his base? Ah, of course he knows, he already lived the other timeline with his bullshit of a power and he confronted Crawler, dying during the fight. Then he crashed it and now he's living the second timeline where the attack didn't happened yet but he remembers Crawler from the first timeline. I'm right? I still have some questions about Coil's power but I'm gonna ask them when I'll finish this Interlude (this snake of a man's power is seriously the most complicated power in the entire story so far. All others are easy to understand, but juggling with two timelines is pretty complex in its essence. If I had Coil's power, I'd be unable to use it properly cause I won't fully understand it).

Crawler? It took her a second to get her mental footing. Coil was using his power. She wasn't sure how it worked, but she could always tell when he was doing it because the numbers always started changing all at once, and he knew things he couldn't. He'd know about things and numbers she might have told him, except she didn't remember telling him.
"Thirty Nine point one-"
"If I deploy the Travelers that are on site at the moment?"
"Thirty point-"
He pushed his monitor off his desk in a fit of anger. It crashed to the floor, pieces of screen rolling and sliding onto the rug at one end of the room.
Striding around the desk, he seized her by the arm and pulled her out of his office.
"Candy. Please," she said, whispering.
"No."
Gripping her wrist so hard it hurt, he drew her into the main area of his underground complex.
Yes, I was right about Coil using his power- he already saw/probably fought (his people, not he himself) with Crawler in timeline A and he knows how to protect himself (and Dinah in extension) from S9 member in timeline B that he turned into timeline A. Dinah can see in all timelines, in every future possible, she can see infinite possibilities. Her power is pretty strong but she can't use it in combat so kind of sucks (hell, even Lisa can use her power in combat, by messing with her foes' minds and even making them turn against each other). Not even Travelers can defeat Crawler, it looks like....What kind of monster this Crawler is? A second Siberian? Gosh, I don't want another Siberian. A single passionate stripper is enough. We don't need S9 to turn into a strip club :D:p.

"Get battle ready!" Coil shouted. It was so out of character for him to shout. "Threat incoming!"
The soldiers that were at ease in the lower area of the base jumped to action, grabbing weapons and protective wear.
It wasn't going to make a difference. The numbers weren't changing enough. But he was already upset, so she didn't tell him that.
Trickster, Oliver and Sundancer appeared, running along the metal catwalk. Sundancer had her mask off, and her permed blond hair was damp against her scalp with sweat. Oliver was in casual clothing, like Trickster. He was good looking, his features chiseled.
Athletically built. Trickster wasn't. He had a hook nose and long hair that didn't suit him, but she knew he was smart, and she would
have guessed it even if she didn't know, just going by the way he looked at stuff.
"What's going on?" Trickster asked.
"My pet has graciously informed us that Crawler of the Slaughterhouse Nine is less than thirty minutes away from entering this complex and murdering us all. Suggestions outside of the obvious would be appreciated."
"Trickster and I could go and try to stop him," Sundancer suggested.
"Outside of the obvious, Sundancer. I've asked my pet. You try that and we're all more likely to die."
"Why?"
"He's a regenerator," Coil answered, sounding irritated at having to explain, "And he regenerates exceedingly quickly. More to the point, he has the added advantage that any part that grows back is stronger than it was before, typically with extra features, growths and increased durability to render him more resistant to whatever hurt him or give him other capabilities. These adjustments are not only permanent, but he's been working on it for some time."
Trickster added, "I read up on these guys after you mentioned them the other night. Crawler eventually becomes immune to whatever was hurting him, and he's that much less human, afterward. He wants to get hurt, wants to further his transformation, like a crazed masochist or someone with a death wish. Throws himself into suicidal situations and then comes out stronger. Which may be why he's here. The soldiers?"
......................Ok, I officially declare S9 the most overpowered evil organisation from the entire story. I don't know how Cauldron are in terms of power (maybe they're more powerful that S9 or maybe less powerful) but until I'll get to know their Tinkers/other parahumans, I'll keep my belief that nothing is even equally strong like S9. So far, they have a very smart boss who can bring the end of the world ever AFTER HIS DEATH, a Tinker with an almost indestructible shell filled with weapons, a crazy pyromaniac who can teleport through flames, an elegant lady who, when she stops being boring, she actually fuck people up with her impressive powerful glassbending and a completely invincible stripper. Now they have a former human who slowly turned into a monster by loving to get hurt so he can become immune at any way someone can kill him. For example, if Sundancer will use her sun against him, he might not die at her first try, but will become immune next time when she'll use her power. Right now Crawler became the second powerful S9 member right after Siberian (at least from my point of view). These guys are more DC/Marvel material than everyone else. I can see them in a crossover fighting against X-Men and X-Men having NOT a very easy time to defeat them. :D (well, Phoenix Jean Grey will turn them into ashes in the first seconds of fight, if I have to be honest entirely :D). Now I kind of want to see a Siberian- Wolverine fight. Or even better: Crawler- Wolverine. Wanna make bets?

Coil shook his head, "He's immune to conventional ammunition and explosives, and most likely to most unconventional forms of ammunition and explosives as well. The laser attachments might have some small effect, but not enough to draw him here."
"Which makes me wonder all of a sudden how he found us," Trickster added.
Coil shook his head, "One thing at a time. If he is here because he's seeking someone who could harm him, the only individuals on site who would be capable are Sundancer and your Noelle."
That gave the three teenagers pause.
"Noelle? But who even knows about Noelle, except-"
Coil raised his hand to silence Trickster. "Pet, the chance that Crawler would seek out Noelle first, given the opportunity?"
WHAT? I was wrong all this freaking time?!? WHAAAAAAAT? I mean, Crawler is coming after Noelle, not to kill Dinah? Gosh, I feel kind of stupid now. I feel like I don't deserve my high school nickname Miss Holmes anymore. :( It was so obvious. Of course he was coming to recruit Noelle, just like Leviathan tried to do. They're all interested in Noelle because she's insane and she's extremely powerful (I have no freaking idea about her power- except that she might have super-strength, but I can understand that her number must be 12, no matter what her classification is). If Crawler wants to be hurt by her so he can become immune to her power then to recruit her, this means that Noelle is someone nobody should joke about. If Leviathan destroyed half of the City of Masochists and Strippers ONLY to get Noelle, then this girl will surely become a hella frightening menace in the future. And the worst thing...its not even her fault. She blamed Trickster for her condition, maybe he did something to her accidentally during their fight with their first Endbringer (Simurgh??). What kind of shitty thing you did to your girlfriend/friend, Trickster?

She felt the images filter out until she was looking at a pattern of scenarios. The vague shape of the hulking figure, the open vault door. The images snapped into two groups, one vastly larger than the other.
"Ninety three point four percent."
"Shit," Trickster swore. "That's why he's here. Just like Leviathan, Crawler's coming after her?"
"I find every piece of evidence we gather only supports our working theory on your teammate," Coil said. He turned to Dinah, "The chance of survival if we were to give him what he wanted? Give him access to Noelle?"
"Hey, no," Trickster said.
"Eighty-one point nine percent chance we survive the next hour-"
"A start," Coil noted.
Something about the image bothered her. She pushed forward, seeing the possible realities that unfolded after that. Very, very few extended any meaningful distance into the future.
"Six percent chance we survive the next five hours."
Coil stopped, then sighed. "Thank you, pet, for clarifying that."
She nodded.
"Awesome," Trickster responded, his voice thick with sarcasm. With a more serious tone and expression, he said, "Let's not give him access to
Noelle. Agreed?"
"Agreed," Coil conceded. "Any further ideas?"
Time's running out. She looked at the numbers for herself, even though she felt the initial throbbing pains at the base of her skull that foretold the encroaching headaches. 53.8 percent chance I die in the next thirty minutes.
"Pet," Coil said.
What she didn't get from his tone, she grasped from the vague images she saw of her most immediate possible futures.
"No," she pleaded, before he'd even told her what he wanted.
"It's necessary. I want you to look at a future where we survived, and I want you to tell us what happened."
"No. Please," she begged.
"Now, pet."
"Why is she so against this?" Trickster asked.
"Headaches," Dinah answered, pressing her hands to her head, "It breaks my power. It takes days, sometimes weeks before everything is sorted out and working again. Headaches the entire time, until everything is sorted out, worse headaches if I try to get numbers in the meantime. Have to be careful, can't muddle things up. Can't lie about the numbers, can't look at what happens, or it just becomes chaos. Safer to keep a distance, to make and follow rules. Safer to just ask the questions and let things fall into place."
DINAH HAVE THE WORST POWER IN THE ENTIRE STORY. Even Newter and Weld's powers (and conditions) are much, much better than Dinahs. I honestly can't see something worse than Dinah's power. I don't wish this not even to my worst enemies. :( This girl is punished by her own God for....I dunno for what. Maybe some sins from a previous life? Everytime when she's using her power, she gets headaches. Then she can't use it anymore. Only drugs can calm her down (because Coil made her addicted to them). But also drugs destroy her health and mind. To be Dinah is not suffering. Its pure hell. The only people I give a fuck in this Interlude are Dinah and Sundancer. This is the reason why I don't want Crawler to crawl inside Coil's base. If there was only Coil and his people, I'd be more joyful than ever to see Crawler ripping them in small pieces, especially eating Coil alive, SLOWLY. But I don't want Dinah and Sundancer to be hurt. I don't want either Noelle to become a S9 member. Coil, you're lucky because you have around you people I care for, otherwise I'd have seriously cheered for Crawler all the time.

"We don't have time to play twenty questions," Coil said. "Would you rather die?"
Would she? She wasn't sure. Death was bad, but at least then she'd go on to the afterlife. To heaven, she hoped. Finding an answer and surviving would mean days and weeks of absolute hell, of constant pain and not being able to use her power.
"Pet," Coil said, when she didn't give him an immediate response, "Do it now, or you won't get any more candy for a long while."
She could see those futures unfolding. He would. She could see the pain and the sickness she experienced, the full brunt of her power without her candy to take the edges off, complete with all of the details she didn't want. Worst of all were the feedback loops. To go through withdrawal from the drugs, from her 'candy', while simultaneously being able to see and experience echoes of the future moments where she was suffering much the same way? It was a massive increase in the pain and being sick and mood swings and insomnia and feeling numb and skin-crawling hallucinations. There was no limit to these echoes, the feedback from her futures. It would never kill her, knock her out or put her in a coma, no matter how much she might want it to.
She had come close to experiencing it once, early on in her captivity. Never again. She would obey Coil in everything he asked for before she risked that happening again.
"Okay," she murmured. She picked out one of the paths where they survived. Even looking too closely at it made her head throb, like it was in a massive vise and someone had just cranked it a fraction tighter. Some of the possible worlds around the fringes of her consciousness disintegrated into a mess of disordered scenes as she pushed forward. The scenes and images of the less possible worlds flew around her mind like razor-sharp leaves in a gale, cutting at everything they touched. "It hurts."
"Now, pet. As quickly as you can."
He didn't know. It was something else, like trying to will herself to stick a hot poker in her body, in her brain, knowing it would remain there and burn her for weeks before it cooled.
But she did it, because as much as it would hurt, it would hurt more if she didn't get her candy. If Crawler got his hands on her, it wouldn't hurt at all after those first few moments of pain, but that was bad too. It meant dying.
She focused hard on that scene, taking it from an image small and vague enough that it could have fit on the end of a pencil to something full size.
Her head exploded with pain. She caught fragmentary images as she felt herself double over and heave the contents of her stomach onto the metal catwalk and Sundancer's legs and feet.
Sundancer could have yelled, but she didn't. Instead, she fell to her knees and grabbed Dinah by the shoulders to steady her. It was just in time, because Dinah felt fireworks erupt in her brain, felt her body go spastic. Too much, too fast. The image was overly sharp and detailed, overwhelming her senses, shredding all sense of time and present.
It was long moments before she could even piece together what the others were saying and doing. She was lying down, her head on Sundancer's lap, a cold cloth against her forehead. Oliver leaned next to her, holding a bowl of cold water.
"-running out of time!" Trickster shouted. Coil stood just behind Trickster, arms folded, staring out over the railing, at his underground base.
"Give her a moment," Sundancer said. "Whatever that was, it just knocked the poor kid out."
......................................I think I need to take a break from reading. I'm sorry, but I'm crying pretty HARD here. I can't....I'll return....."after 20 minutes" I'm still not completely calm but I have to continue because its late and I should finish this Interlude. Dinah...I honestly don't even care anymore if Crawler will take Noelle with him. He can do whatever he wants, I don't want to see Dinah suffering anymore. I just can't tolerate the hell she's going through, I feel like her pain is MY pain. I'm seriously personally affected by this entire Dinah arc. I think I'll give this story a big black ball if Coil will not suffer a lot before he'll be killed. His suffering should be DOUBLE, if not TRIPLE more intense compared with Dinah's suffering. He should be tortured worse than a...S9 member. What he's doing to this child, to this innocent angel with broken wings is beyond any bad things S9 did so far. I HATE Coil that my head hurts only trying to describe how much I hate him. Trickster is a bad person too. I'll never forget that he almost killed Vista and now he's using a child because he's too much of a coward to find another way to protect Noelle. Fuck him as well. Sundancer is the only HUMAN here (besides Dinah). Oliver seems to be an ok person too but they have no power to stop Coil from torturing Dinah further.

"That deadline she gave us? It's here. Now."
"I know, but pressuring her won't help anything."
A smell hit her. Like the bitterest black chocolate in the world and overly strong coffee, the odor so thick on the air that she could taste it. With her already upset stomach, it made her want to retch.
"Smells bad," she said. "Make the smell go away."
"She's conscious. Is this smell a clue?" Trickster turned.
"No. It's a symptom," Coil answered him, not turning to look at her or them. "She may be dizzy, dazed, or she may rub or scratch at herself until she fully recovers. Don't let her scratch her corneas or rub herself until she bleeds."
Dinah tried to recall what she'd seen. "Darkness."
"You mentioned that earlier, pet."
"We were in the dark, and it smelled like meat. It smelled like sweat, too. And we were all pressed in close together."
"Where?" Coil asked.
"There was a metal door in front of us. Big. The vault door downstairs."
"Noelle's room," Trickster said, an instant before Dinah put the pieces together.
"How many of us, pet?"
"Everyone here was there," she looked towards the soldiers.
"Is she in there?"
"She was. Yes."
Coil turned and swept her up in his arms. Her skin crawled at the contact of her body against his. She didn't say or do anything about it, in part because she wasn't able, too sick, hurting too much. The other reason was because she had seen the numbers shift each time she flinched away from his touch or made her disgust known. Little differences. He was angrier with her, more curt, if she pulled way, if she complained about it.
There was safety in the numbers, in following the rules she set on herself. It kept her power in order, it ensured Coil was tolerant with her, and it meant she didn't have to go without her candy for even a short time.
Coil took the stairs two at a time as he descended to the ground floor, Trickster, Oliver and Sundancer hurrying after him.
"You," Coil called out, not even bothering to recall the employee's name, "The vault door. Open it. Squad leaders, organize your groups!"
There was a faint crash in the distance, and a vibration rippled through the complex.
"Pet, the chance that Crawler kills us, now that we've undertaken this route?"
"I don't. I can't." Her head hurt so much.
"Try," and in his hard tone, she heard the unspoken threat of having her candy taken away.
She did. The scenes had no order to them. They were all jumbled, and trying to pull some semblance of order and sense into them was like thrusting her hands into fire and razor blades, thrusting her mind into fire and razor blades. A long groan of pain was drawn from her throat, and the strength went out of her body.
"You're killing her!" Sundancer gasped.
"No," Coil said, as if from a place far away. "I've had her use her power to check. This may be miserable for her, but she can't die from it."
Coil touching her, that overpowering phantom smell, the fear, the nausea…
"I need to barf."
Coil set her down and held her by the wrists as she leaned forward to cough up mouthfuls of bile. Her stomach was already empty of food.
"The number, pet?"
Sundancer bent down to hold her, so her shoulders weren't being twisted with her arms held behind her by Coil.
"Three point one percent," Dinah gasped out.
"Reassuring," Coil said. The vault door opened before them. "Trickster? Would you announce our imminent arrival to Noelle?"
To have an idea how much I HATE Coil, my dear and patient with me friends, I'm going to tell you that if Mannequin himself will ever kill (with sadism) Coil, Mannequin will become instantly my favorite S9 member. And right now he's my least favorite member. Understand? :D Kudos to Wildbow for creating such an convincing entirely evil character as Coil. This writer is excellent to create some really repulsive, beyond any redemption characters. Ok, I'm going to stop talking about Dinah's personal hell, I don't want to have to stop again 20 minutes to pick up the scraps of my broken heart. So, they're going to hide themselves inside the vault holding Noelle prisoner? Well, if its keeping her from freeing herself then it can keep Crawler outside too, right? Its a damn resistant vault, the best one.

"Yeah," Trickster sighed. "Fuck. I hate to do this, but can I get a number?"
"Trickster!" Sundancer admonished him, sounding horrified, "You can see how much pain it's causing her."
"It's important. Kid, what's the chance that Noelle kills us?"
There was another series of crashes, closer.
Dinah shook her head, "Please. I just want to put everything back together. Every time I use my power, it all falls apart and it hurts."
"Pet, it's the last question we'll ask you tonight. I promise," Coil said.
So she did. She reached for the number. It can't kill me. It doesn't do permanent damage. It just hurts. It's my brain telling me my power
shouldn't be used to find answers like that.
The words she used to convince herself did little to soften the pain that came with digging for a number once more. She screamed, and tears
flowed down her face as she sank into Sundancer's arms, screwing her eyes shut.
"Nine point eight percent," she managed. Was she being carried? They were venturing inside, past the first of the two heavy vault doors. How much time had just passed? Where was Trickster?
"That's good information to have, pet," Coil said, from somewhere near her. "Squad leaders. As you gather inside the containment room, I want you organizing your troops into ranks, your backs to the door. Weapons need to be locked, loaded and ready to fire. Be sure to equip the laser attachments and battery packs. Don't venture any further than ten paces inside."
There were affirmative responses. Dinah could hear guns cocking.
Another crash, the closest yet. The sound of rubble and concrete falling echoed through the underground complex.
"He's here," Coil said. "Last people inside, hurry. Close the first door."
Dinah opened her eyes. They were in a concrete room with steel girders at set intervals, as if forming a cage against the inside of the room. It smelled like meat that had gone bad.
The second vault door slowly swung closed as the last few stragglers slipped through the gap. Employees, technicians, people in suits, some soldiers. They packed in close at the end of the room closest to the door, their bodies pressing against her. Three fifths of the chamber were left unoccupied.
And on the other side of the room – darkness. Trickster was emerging.
"How is she?" Coil asked.
"Scared. Hungry. She said she didn't get her meal tonight," Trickster answered, his voice quiet.
Coil folded his arms. "She did. I personally observed the delivery. I suspect she's needing more food as of late. Unfortunate we find this out now."
"She asked me to turn out the lights on this end of her room. Said it would be easier if she can't see us."
"Do it," Coil ordered. He strode over to one of his squad captains and spoke in the man's ear. Dinah thought she might have overheard something about night vision goggles. She closed her eyes, as if it could help shut out the pain that continued to tear through her skull.
The pink of the light shining through her eyelids turned to black as the lights went out.
"I'm sorry," A girl's voice whispered in Dinah's ear. Sundancer?
Dinah tried to answer, but her voice came out in a croak.
"I'd help you if I could, but I can't, you understand?" Sundancer whispered to her. She had her arms around Dinah. She smelled like barf, but that was Dinah's fault. "It's not just that my friends and I are in a bad spot, or having to help Noelle, or even that I don't think I could save you on my own… We made a promise to each other, when everything began. Fuck, it sounds so stupid, sounds so lame, when I say it like that."
There was a crash nearby, the sound of metal on metal.
Then a massive impact against the vault door made the room shudder.
Sundancer kept talking, as if oblivious to the ongoing attack. "When you've been through hell and back again with a group of people, when you've all lost everything, and you collectively stand to lose more? I- I don't even know what I'm saying. Maybe there's no justification for letting you go through what you are. I just… they're all I've got. I'm sorry."
Dinah reached up and fumbled around until she found Sundancer's hand. She didn't have a response, couldn't speak if she'd been able to think of what to say. She just held the hand tight.
A series of hits collided with the metal door. A roar rattled through the air, painfully loud despite the muffling effect of the intervening wall. It was a roar heavy with frustration and anger.
There was the sound of guns cocking. She almost missed it in the midst of the steady, relentless crashes that came from the metal door.
"I'm so hungry," a girl's voice echoed through the chamber. She's close.
"I know, Noelle," Trickster answered. "Just a little while. Let's go back to the other side, away from these people."
Noelle sounded like someone who was very, very tired. "Can't wait. Can't wait at all these days. I can smell them."
She wants food as badly as I want my 'candy', Dinah thought. The difference is that she can and will take what she wants, even if it means eating one of us. I don't have that power.
God, her head hurt. Worse, she knew this was the calm before the storm. Her head would hurt more with every passing hour until she wanted to die.
"You can hold on," Trickster said, his voice gentle. "You don't want to come any closer than that. You know what your power does. None of us want that."
"No."
"And these guys, as good as they are, I can't be positive that one of them won't shoot you in a moment of panic. We don't want that either."
"I'd live. Don't want to, but I'd live."
"You would. But would I? Would Oliver and Marissa, if you went berserk? They're in here too."
Sundancer spoke up, calling out, "Remember the promise we made together."
Noelle didn't reply. The silence lingered, punctuated by the heavy blows on the metal door, echoing through the concrete chamber.
"Come on, Noelle. Let's go back, before you or someone else here does something they'll regret," Trickster urged.
The banging continued.
"Come with me, Krouse? We can talk alone?"
"That sounds good," Trickster said.
Dinah felt the tension in the room ease. The pain in her skull didn't get any better. She set about the tedious task of trying to reorganize the images in her head. Building a house of cards in an unpredictable wind. Every time the numbers changed, what she'd started to sort out fell apart.
She'd have to wait until a period of calm before she made any real headway. The passage of time would help as well. Then it wouldn't be so painful to use her ability.
She got caught up in the painstaking operation, and it was some time before she realized the banging had stopped. Still, the gathered people in the room waited. Just in case Crawler was bluffing them, waiting until they opened the door.
Long minutes passed before Coil gave the order.
Dinah was blind. Her power too fragile and painful to use, so she couldn't see the future that awaited them outside the door. Her heart pounded in her throat as the door was opened. The first squads moved out, fanning through the complex to find if Crawler was lurking in some corner of the underground base. They returned and gave the all-clear.
Emerging from the gloom, she squinted in the face of the flourescent lights. Claw marks gouged the outside of the solid steel of the vault door, each at least half a foot deep. The catwalk had been torn down at one side of the complex, and innumerable boxes of weapons and supplies had been crushed or scattered across the floor.
"Candy?" she asked. "My head hurts."
"You can have your candy, pet. Go to your room, I'll call Pitter in and send him to you."

With her armed escort, she headed to her room. She collapsed gratefully on her bed.
She knew she'd regret it, but she used her power. She had to know. It would be one more use, to hold her over, and she would stop using her power for the next few days, at least. Weeks, if Coil let her.
She clutched her covers and bit her pillow as her head erupted with pain. More than half of the groundwork she'd so carefully laid in place over the past hour fell apart as she pulled the scenes into two groups. Minutes passed before she had her number.
31.6%.
More than four percent higher than it had been yesterday.
Thirty-one point six percent chance she'd get to go home someday.
On short: -Dinah have a very useful power, but also the worst one in the entire story so far.
-Dinah was born under the unluckiest star ever.
-The God of her universe officially hate Dinah.
-She still have chances to return home, but they aren't very high.
-Sundancer's real name is Marrissa and she's an ANGEL, one of the best characters of the story.
-Oliver is not Ballistic as someone told me before.
-Trickster is a BIG ASSHOLE as people told me before but I didn't believed them.
-But he honestly loves Noelle (I'm sure now she's his girlfriend) and will do anything for her, including sacrificing children.
-Noelle is cannibalistic and she can't control her power (whatever it is), poor girl. I seriously feel a lot of pity for her. :(
-Crawler is a strong and scary motherfucker, even if I didn't saw how he looks like (but I know from fan-art).
-I HATE Coil more than anyone in this story. And I mean anyone. Even Jack seems to be a more ok person than Coil, as completely amoral and psychopathic he's.
-This Interlude was not boring at all. :p
-I'm going to ask my question about Coil's power tomorrow.

Good night and sleep well, glassbenders and...other benders. Don't let Crawler crawling in your beds tonight.
 
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Yes, I was right about Coil using his power- he already saw/probably fought (his people, not he himself) with Crawler in timeline A and he knows how to protect himself (and Dinah in extension) from S9 member in timeline B that he turned into timeline A.

I think it's more likely he was asking each Dinah different questions, to speed things along -- but he of course would know both sets of answers.
 
I actually like Coil quite a bit. Not as a person, but as a character.

In a world full of secret societies, murderhobos, and giant monsters, something as grounded as a greedy crimelord who is unpretentious about being that is a refreshing change of pace.
 
I actually like Coil quite a bit. Not as a person, but as a character.

In a world full of secret societies, murderhobos, and giant monsters, something as grounded as a greedy crimelord who is unpretentious about being that is a refreshing change of pace.

The funny thing is that I don't hate Coil so much for being a greedy crimelord (for example Vito Corleone is my favorite fictional boss) I hate him for what he's doing to Dinah. I'm very sensible when it comes to children (I work as a volunteer and I meet a lot of abused children and some of them are beyond any help, they might never recover and become future abusers/traumatized victims in their turn). In the world of superpowers and monsters, people like Coil and Dinah feel very close to reality.
 
Kinda-sorta. Wildbow has created documents for many of the cape classifications, and in them describes a variety of 'example' triggers for each combination of classifications (e.g. Master-Stranger, Tinker-Stranger, etc). One of those listed for the Breaker-Stranger combination seems to me to be strongly hinting that it's what Sophia's trigger was, and I think it also matches tidbits Wildbow has said elsewhere (but I can't find those other tidbits).

Want me to quote the passage in question?

Please, thank you.
 

Here you go. I'm bolding the most relevant bit:

The Breaker-Stranger Combination

Not uncommon, given that both types of trigger tend to touch on abstracts and unusual sorts of harm can include scenarios where the individual is facing unwanted attention. Such a trigger would either involve an audience or observer while the harm took place or the abstract harm is driven home by a concerted effort and fixation on the part of the other party. A young professional suffering from dwindling faculties due to a hidden illness is called before the heads of their organization to prove themselves and fails utterly due to the disease, knowing they'll never get a career in this field again, as the eyes of these people watch them. A stepfather leans too heavily on the triggeree; in the eyes of everyone else he's trying to build a relationship with his new daughter. He doesn't give her a moment to breathe, and she can't escape the pressure or the panic attacks, with her triggering as he admits in a whisper that it's intentional and predatory.

The breaker state in this case enables the Stranger effect. The options here are too varied to name, but tend to involve toggling the state, often with a cost, but is stronger than it would be without the breaker state.
 
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*delurk*

Honestly, while...admittedly, the specifics (and "implications") of Coil's power are, to this day, fought over in the most stubborn and bitter of fandom trench wars since shipping wars, the basics of Coil's power aren't really that hard to grasp. Lisa herself gave a very succinct explanation of it to Taylor in the aftermath of Leviathan, but, lemme see if I can help elucidate a little.


You have Coil's power.
You use Step 1 of Coilpower.
You have "created two timelines"--two 'worlds', in which everything is exactly identical, up to and including marching forward in time and events progressing in exactly the same ways, EXCEPT for one thing:
Yourself. You are the only thing that is different between the two timelines. The two "versions of you" can take any different actions you desire in each timeline.
You cannot use Step 1 of Coilpower now.
You have perfect awareness of both "versions of you". You are, in effect, now one mind in two bodies. You perceive everything from both "versions of you" in both timelines simultaneously, and control them both simultaneously. You proceed forward in time with both of them, simultaneously.
Because the two timelines are exactly identical except for you, you can be the proverbial butterfly and cause events to turn out in two different ways. Or you can just eat ice cream in one timeline, and fruit salad in another, and get the full enjoyment of both.
Eventually, whenever you wish, you may choose to use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You pick between the two timelines which one you "don't want to keep". Step 2 of Coilpower then "deletes" this timeline. Everything in it, everything that existed and happened in one of the timelines, ceases to exist, as if it in fact had never existed in the first place--except for one thing.
Yourself. You retain all memory from your perspective of the deleted timeline, so you know how the actions you took in that timeline didn't pan out how you wanted them to.
From the moment in time after you used Step 2 of Coilpower and onward, you are now allowed to use Step 1 of Coilpower again at any time--but once you do, you cannot use Step 1 -yet again- until after you use Step 2, just like before. (Basically, you cannot use either step twice in a row.)
And so on and so forth.



Basically, this power is ridiculously good on the offensive, when you have the initiative in whatever situation, and helpful but not so great in a defensive situation where you have lost initiative.

Take the example you were trying to figure out earlier in the thread, "Eidolon goes after Coil". If, for whatever reason, Eidolon learns of Coil and decides to attack, tracking him down with some sort of magic GPS before Coil has used Step 1 of his power, then Coil can try to use Step 1, and flee to the left in one timeline, and flee to the right in the second timeline, but it doesn't help him because Eidolon is already following him in both timelines--because they are already identical, except for whatever Coil does after using Step 1.

On the other hand, say Coil wants to get rid of Eidolon but doesn't yet know how, but also, Eidolon doesn't know Coil exists (or doesn't see him as a threat). Coil can split the timelines, and in one timeline, stay safely at home eating popcorn and watching anime. In the second timeline, Coil sends himself out to attack Eidolon--or more likely, orders other people to attack Eidolon on his behalf--in some way that might possibly give him an idea of Eidolon's power and potential weaknesses. Eidolon, of course, utterly wrecks the shit of whatever attacks him, but Coil saw through cameras how Eidolon fights, and now has a better picture of ways he might kill Eidolon. Now, even suppose at this point, Eidolon uses some sort of perception-power to know it was Coil who sent the attackers, and now is flying off to go wreck Coil's shit personally. At this point, Coil uses Step 2 of his power, and deletes the timeline where he ordered the attack on Eidolon. That timeline ceases to exist as if it never was to begin with. Coil is still sitting safely at home and just finished a DBZ binge and 3 bowls of popcorn. Eidolon is still sitting safely at HQ himself, nothing ever attacked him, he has no knowledge of anyone even thinking to attack him. But over in Coil's home, Coil remembers. Coil then thinks up a different idea for attacking Eidolon, using different people, that will give him more and different information on how Eidolon works, to fill in more blanks of Eidolon's power and how Eidolon might be killed, and so uses Step 1 again--at which he can do everything of the above all over again, but in another different way (though in his 'safe' timeline, he probably doesn't want to eat -another- bowl of popcorn after already eating 3, so instead starts munching a nice carrot).


Hopefully that cleared things up, at least the basics? (Like I said though, the specifics/"implications" of Coil's power, including "how it actually works", is subject to debate that has no end in sight as of yet--even with WoG on the subject, heh. But the above explanation is the practical matter of how the power functions as you perceive it, if you were Coil.)

*relurk*
 
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Interlude 11g
Hello, cute little masochists and not so cute little masochists. Are you ready for another Interlude? Ready or not, here we go 11.g | Worm I suppose this Interlude will be either about GPS Girl or Bonesaw (I'm not counting Hatchet Face because from what I understand, this guy is most like a zombie than anything else), the last S9 members who have yet to make their appearances and terrorize people around while having a great fun about it. But before, I'll make a short recap about all Interludes so far and how much I liked each one:
-Siberian Interlude was part dramatic (Rachel's backstory and how she forced people from her territory to go away) past suspenseful. One of my favorite. Jack Interlude kept me one edge all the freaking time (because I was afraid that he'll kill Aster anytime). Not my favorite one but it turned an apparently minor character, Theo, into one of my favorite characters.
-Burnscar Interlude was the most psychological and one of the most dramatic one. The only Interlude where I cared for every single character, including Burnscar, and turned Burnscar into my favorite S9 member.
-Mannequin Interlude: The most scary and strangely romantic Interlude. It made me RESPECT Colin more than ever and didn't helped me at all with my fear for mannequins. On the contrary, now its even worse. :(
-Shattterbird Interlude: The most boring Interlude and the only one where I didn't cared for any of the characters; precisely opposite to Burnscar Interlude.
-Crawler Interlude: The most dramatic and emotional one and a large part of it made me want to teleport directly in the story and beat Coil and Trickster to death.
Alright, let's start with the new Interlude already and let's see what new terrors Wildbow have prepared for me.

A teenager with a red streak dyed into her dark hair strode down the street in rubber boots. Three hours past curfew, alone.
She drew a smartphone from the pocket of her jacket, then set to untangling the earbuds. How did the damned things always get so knotted together? They were like Christmas lights. Not that she'd ever untangled Christmas lights, but she'd heard how Christmas lights got tangled.
Popping the foam-covered buds into her ears, she began thumbing through the music as she walked.
J'adore-
Sweet Honey-
Love me, love me, you know you wanna love me…
Love me, love me, you know you wanna love me…

Her head nodded in time with the beat, and she slipped the phone into her pocket.
Ok, we're following a teenager girl, who seem to really like music. She reminds me of my sweet, sweet Weld, who's also a music lover. She knows some french, "J'adore" and she doesn't give a flying fuck about curfew, walking alone on streets. Pretty brave, eh? Unless....unless she's the GPS Girl, capable to locate people even in Birdcage or Coil's base. You're not an innocent person, you're GPS Girl, you can't trick me. Very interesting, this is the first Interlude who started from the POV of a S9 member and not from a candidate or another character.

She supposed she could have bought something to coil up the cord of the earbuds, or replaced the music playlist instead of deleting everything that didn't appeal. It wasn't like she didn't have money. It was an option. What stopped her was the fact that she had a pattern going. Everything she owned and everything she used day-to-day was stolen. The shirt on her back, her shoes, the music, her laptop. She kind of wanted to see how far she could get before she caved and actually bought something.
Love me, you?
Love me, true?

Her boots splashed as she danced a little circle, murmuring the words. The light drizzle had wet her hair, and she pushed it back out of her face, stretched her arms out and let the raindrops fall against her closed eyelids.
It wasn't as though she was in a rush.
She'd walked long enough for six songs to start and finish before someone stopped her.
"Miss. Miss!" He was barely audible over her music.
She turned and saw a man in military gear, forty-something, his face heavily lined. He wasn't wearing a helmet, he had a short buzz cut, a bit of scruff on his cheeks and chin, and his face was beaded with droplets of water. She pulled out her earbuds.

Oh God, I already feel bad for the poor military guy who probably is going to be maimed or killed by GPS Girl in the next minutes. :( I doubt how her GPS power will help her in a fight, but she might be a Master with Mind/Emotions/Body control who'll turn the soldier in her personal slave as fast as the guy would say: -Curfew, miss Bitch! Move your ass out of streets- Btw, until this girl will decide what she wants to do with the soldier, I'd like to discuss a bit about Noelle. I think she'll become a very dangerous villain in the future. A human Endbringer kind of. Its obviously that at least two of her teammates love her and want to save her: Krouse is very possible in love with her, as he seems to do anything (even the most awful things- forcing Dinah to tell him the future despite seeing the kid going through tremendously pain right in front of him) while Marissa seems to be a good friend of her (and even if she didn't liked at all Dinah's situation, she still wanted to help Noelle). I think all Travellers are friends (maybe they were already friends before triggering; its possible that they even triggered in the same time), something happened during their fight with their first Endbringer and Krouse turned Noelle in whatever she's now (accidentally, I don't think he did is on purpose). They trust Coil with Noelle but knowing Coil, he's not going to help them anymore once he'll get what he wants. I kind of feel bad for them (especially for the kind and compassionate Marissa) for being so desperate that they're trusting the last person someone should trust. I think a possible Evil Noelle Arc will be a pretty fucked up one. I'll be like: Oh, poor innocent Noelle....then: She just ate one of my favorite characters. Fucking bitch...then: oh, Noelle, you poor thing...then: She ate another one of my favorite characters. Die already, bitch!...something like that, you get it :). As for Krouse, maybe he's a desperate young man in love, but he's still a huge asshole.

Crazed, kooky, cracked, crazy,
Nutty, barmy, mad for me…

The crooning sounded artificial coming from the earbuds that dangled from her hand, nasal.
"What's up?"
"Are you okay?"
"I'm excellent."
"There's a curfew during the state of emergency. I don't want to scare you too badly, miss, but there're rape gangs, murderers and human traffickers on the street. All people who would prey on a pretty young woman."
"You think I'm pretty?" She smiled, stepping closer.
"I have a daughter about your age," he replied, smiling tightly.
"That doesn't answer my question. Do you think I'm pretty?" She stepped even closer, ran her finger down his chest.
"Yes, but-" he paused, gripping both sides of her jacket. He pulled the jacket together, then did up her zipper all the way to the top, around the heavy box that dangled around her neck. "That's all the more reason for you to be careful, understand? Do you have a home or a shelter you're staying at?"
She didn't reply. Her brows knit together and she undid her jacket and stepped away from him.
He went on, "I can give you directions to the nearest shelter if you want. It's new, just a little ways up Lord street here. There may be space."
"I'm staying with some people."

Let me guess, this young girl acts like a femme fatale type, seducing men then turning them into her slaves or murdering them. Kudos for this soldier for respecting her and not taking advantage upon her little flirtation. She's by his daughter's age and he's aware of this and controls himself. He's thinking with his big brain instead of his little brain :D. Yep, she's staying with some people. Different kinds of psychos. One worse than the other one.

"Do you need directions?"
She didn't reply. She studied him instead.
"If you're willing to wait, I can give you a ride when I'm done here. I'll get relieved in five or ten minutes, but we could talk in the meantime. You can sit in my jeep, and you'll be dry."
She hesitated. "Fine."
The man led her back to his jeep. She sat in the passenger seat while he stood outside, his eyes on the surroundings, occasionally exchanging words with the person or people on the other end of his walkie-talkie.
After a few minutes, he climbed into the driver's seat. "The men who were supposed to take over the watch are late. Something about fires downtown."
She nodded.
Crazed, kooky, cracked, crazy,
Mental, dotty, whacked, loopy…

"Do you mind turning off your music?"
"I like it," she said. "I hate silence."
"Well, I'm not about to deny someone their coping mechanisms. Where do you live, or where did you live, before the attack?"
"Out of town."
He raised one eyebrow, but he kept looking out the windows for possible trouble. He put the key in the ignition and started the car so he could use the windshield wipers. "Sounds like there's a story there. People don't just come into town at a time like this, and if you were just visiting, you would have evacuated already."
"Oh, we're visiting because it's a time like this," she smiled.
"Thrill seeking?" his voice hardened. "That's not only stupid, it's disrespectful."
"The people I'm staying with? They're the Slaughterhouse Nine. I'm one of them."

"That's not funny." His voice went hard, any gentleness gone.
"It's really not," she agreed with a smile.
He went for his gun, but he didn't get that far. She closed her eyes for a moment, listened for the music that came from his mind and body. The jangling, dissonant noise of alarm, the throbbing percussion of mortal fear, every part of his body shifting into fight or flight mode. The underlying notes spoke to his personality. His love of his family, his fear that he was about to leave them behind, anger towards her, a momentary anxiety that he was overreacting. She grasped this in the fraction of a second.

I like how she's so straightforward with admitting that she's a S9 member. But....OMG, she's indeed a Master with control over emotions. She can feel and control people's emotions. This is how she finds them, by feeling their emotions. Shit. Poor man, he's such a kind person, yet he's going to be fucked in the next seconds. Hookwolf's undercover op will crash and burn just like the Third Reich did in 1945. The GPS Girl will know everything about his plans of betrayal (because she'll feel his negative emotions regarding them) and Jack will punish him accordingly. Great, S9 have everything to make them so insanely powerful, including a Master. And we know how SCARY and hard to be defeated Masters are. Alec and Heartbreaker are the finest examples. I think that the other black member of Undersiders (someone related to Brian, a girl, I don't remember her exactly, she's usually very unnoticeable :D) wouldn't stand a chance against GPS Girl, because she'll notice her emotions and become aware of her presence.

Reaching for that mortal fear, she wrenched it. When that wasn't quite enough, she pulled at it and twisted it until everything else was squeezed into the far edges.
He screamed, throwing himself as far away from her as he could get, his weapon falling between the seats.
Crazed, kooky, cracked, crazy,
Nutty, screwy, mentally diseased…

She twisted other parts of his emotional makeup until he was compliant, adrift in apathy, obedient. "Stay."
He stopped retreating. He was still breathing hard from his momentary panic, but that would pass.
She leaned towards him and ran her hand along the top of his head. It was like rubbing a toothbrush, spraying minuscule bits of water onto the wheel and dashboard.
"Good."
He stared at her. There was fear in the look, and she didn't have the heart to erase all of it. A little was good.
"I want to drive. Switch seats with me."
He nodded dumbly and climbed out of the jeep. She made her way over to the driver's seat, then waited for him to climb in before she peeled out.
The jeep cut through the shallow water that covered the roads. Others had noticed her leaving, she knew, and were following in their own vehicle.
She could sense them, each a fingerprint of emotions in deeply individual configurations. The mix of personal pride and confidence that she sensed in them suggested they were military. The soldiers that had been taking over for this guy?
Not much time to do it. She searched through the feelings of her passenger, found the networks of brotherly love, trust, camaraderie, and adjusted each until the music was one of tension, suspicion, paranoia. Then she set his fight or flight reflexes into high gear.
"Get the gun."
He fished for it between the seats, picked it up.
Then he pointed the gun at her.
"No, stop," she said. Too unspecific. Fuck. Still need to work on that. She hit him with as much doubt and indecision as she could manage to keep him from shooting her. Then she stalled all of the 'music' that flowed to and from that one point in the very front of his brain. She knew the music was her way of understanding and interpreting the biological processes that drove people's emotions. By listening for it, she knew what they felt, knew what the emotions were tied to, vaguely.

Oh, she's not that strong. She doesn't seem to have as much control over her power as other Masters have. Which is good, actually awesome to finally see a S9 member who's not that great in whatever she's doing. They should have their own weak points, right? Besides, this obviously crazy girl is a new member so I won't be surprised if she'll turn to be the weak point of Slaughterhouse 9 team. Gosh, I just hope that she'll not make the soldier to go home and kill his daughter, that would be very dramatic for everyone involved :(.

There would only be one thing in his short-term memory that was that important right now. Her. With that link severed, he would now feel nothing towards her, couldn't summon up any self-preservation, anger or hatred. Another tweak, redirecting the flow of emotion from his family to her, and he would feel an extreme aversion to the idea of shooting her, wouldn't be able to shoot her any more than he could his own daughter.
He pulled the gun away, dropped it into his lap. He crumpled over, his hands to his head, then moaned, "No."
She was close to her destination. She pulled the jeep to a stop and hopped out, the other jeep pulling up just a ten or so yards away. Two soldiers got out.
"Hey!" someone shouted at her.
She turned her back to them, slipping her ear buds in. The music had looped back to the first track. She got her phone out and skipped forward a few times, pausing to delete one song. She sang along, "Love me, love me, you know you wanna love me…"
"Hey!"
She could sense her passenger climbing out of the jeep, hear the garbled murmurs of warning, questions. There was a burst of fear from all three, then the sound of multiple guns firing. She smiled. The authorities would have a hell of a time figuring out what happened there.
She'd had her doubts about coming to Brockton Bay. It had been a turn off to know that areas lacked power, that still more areas lacked working plumbing. But Burnscar and Bonesaw had both been excited to come, and Jack Slash had bent to Bonesaw's wishes, pushing for the group to come this way. Crawler, Mannequin and Siberian had seemed fairly indifferent. Not that Crawler or Mannequin showed much emotion. She'd thought she had an ally in Shatterbird, at least, but the woman hated her, and the uptight bitch had gone along with the plans to visit Brockton Bay just to ruin her day.

But it was interesting, she had to admit. The landscape of people here was so different. So many people here were so insecure, so worried. Most were on the brink of some kind of emotional breakdown, needing just one event, one piece of bad news before they broke down completely.
Others had already been broken, or they'd turned vicious and started preying on their fellows, seeking out vengeance on those who had wronged them in a past life. In their pre-Endbringer life.
People here were so deliciously fucked up.
This kind of situation, ordinary citizens were doing things they'd never even have considered before. Stealing, hurting their neighbors, bartering things they once considered precious for clothing, food, toilet paper and other essentials. Emotions were raw, far closer to the surface, easier to manipulate.

Oh, gosh, she made the soldier go in a suicide mission, by killing the other two soldiers and probably get killed in response by them. She's clearly a sociopath, she doesn't seem to have her own emotions, she needs to take control over people and feels their emotions, feeding with them like they're her everyday food. She's kind of an emotional vampire, she hears emotions like she hears her music and she loves to twist them, forcing people to do her biding in this way. She's such a BITCH. She also reminds me of someone pretty similar with her: another sociopath teenager, capable to hijack bodies and turn them into his personal toys. A french-canadian who ran away from his father. Right, Alec. This BITCH knows french and her powers is so identical to Heartbreakers, Alec's father. Soooooooooooooo......................................she's Alec's sister, eh? And she's already in his territory (the explanation for being so many soldiers on street), eager to recruit him. If its true, Alec might be in deep shit. He might be the second Undersider candidate to S9.
As for possible miss Vasil, she doesn't seem to be very close to S9 (now I'd like a whole Arc featuring only S9 and nobody else, because I'm very curious to see their interactions and relationships :)) , Shatterbird hates her (maybe because she fell asleep during Shatterbird's monologues and I can understand why :D) and surprisingly enough, Jack seems to listen Bonesaw. The big boss is listening a child. Does he...cares for her enough to bent to her wishes? Its kind of impossible for me to see Jack as someone able to care for a single living being but everything is possible in S9's demented world. Including someone like Jack having paternal feelings for Bonesaw (whatever feelings he might have for her, I PRAY to be either paternal or just amicable and NOTHING ELSE). Well, possible miss Vasil, welcome to the CITY OF SATAN. Enjoy your staying. :p

Her music cut off. She checked the phone. An alert on the screen notified her that the battery was dying.
She swore. No more time to waste. She dialed a number, but didn't hold the phone up to her ear. Good. Now she had fifteen minutes.
She reached out and started feeling for the outliers. The emotional fingerprints that stood out from the rest.
The other seven members of the Nine were out there. Not hard to find. One or two were interacting with some other outliers. The most fucked
up people in this fucked up city. She'd studied each of these unknown outliers over the course of a week, watching their emotions shift as they went out about their lives, sometimes visiting the areas they tended to hang around, to get a sense of their environments. Slowly, she'd pieced them together, created profiles, discerned which ones had powers and described them to the other members of the Slaughterhouse Nine. Each had made their picks:
The buried girl. The arrogant geek. The dog lover. The daydreamer. The warlord. The scaredy cat. The broken assassin. The crusader.
And all she wanted was a few minutes to pay a visit to hers. She didn't have to name that one. He was familiar enough. She smiled.
Two men sat on the steps outside the building. She knew immediately that they were soldiers, but they weren't official. They wore black, and they wore body armor that she hadn't seen before.
........."he was familiar enough"........ok, Alec's sister, you're going to recruit your dear brother.... I was so fucking right "feels proud of herself". Actually, there's an explanation without having to be arrogant. I'm a girl and girls usually have a pretty great intuition. This is the explanation (I barely restrained myself from saying: I'm a woman, hear me ROAR :D). Ok, she's talking about recruits. Let's see: The buried girl is Noelle (locked inside a vault in an underground base), the arrogant geek is, OF COURSE, Colin, who else (love how even S9 agree over how arrogant he's; looks like Colin's arrogance is an universal agreement in this story "shakes head" Colin, Colin), the dog lover is Rachel, the daydreamer is Elle (so, Elle is an recruit? Mimi nominated her as an recruit? Kind of unexpected), the warlord is Hookwolf, the scaredy cat- no freaking idea (either Alec or the last candidate), the broken assassin is (was) Oni Lee and the crusader....(either Alec or the last candidate). Good to know.

"No," she stopped them from reaching from their guns with a mixture of doubt, apathy and anxiety. Complementing her words with a heavy surge of depression, guilt and self loathing, she ordered them, "Kill yourselves."
It wasn't immediate, but their willpower wasn't enough to stave off some of the strongest and most agonizing emotions they would have felt in their lives. It was quick when their composure cracked, the guns flying to mouth and temple to fire.
She could sense the others inside the building, alarmed at the gunshots, moving toward the front. Four more soldiers and four others who stayed back. Not soldiers.
She didn't wait for them to step outside. She did the same thing she'd done to the guards stationed outside, crushing them with despair, overwhelming them with loathing and paranoia. It was only slightly faster than it had been here. Here, there had been an enemy for the soldiers to focus their negative energies on, to distract them. It was surprising how important that could be.
Nearly a minute passed before the fourth gunshot sounded, marking the death of the last soldier here.
She tried the front door and stepped inside. The inside was nicer than the outside, watertight, heavily reinforced. A feminine looking teenaged boy with a mop of dark curls stood at the other side of the building. He had two men and a woman guarding him.
"Jean-paul. Ça va?"
"It's Alec now. Regent in costume."

Ooooooooh, hello, Alec, welcome to the start of the end of your life. Your crazy, demented sister who loves making people kill themselves wants to recruit you. "sighs" I'm torn between feeling bad for miss Vasil because of her fucked up childhood (her father is responsible for what she become now) and considering her very annoying, hating her for wanting to recruit Alec and making that soldier who was respectful to her die (and the other soldiers, but the first guy's fate kind of hit me in my feelings) and laughing at her stupidity (I seriously don't find her smart; she ran away from an abusive father only to become a member of an equally- if not more, abusive group. Cause I'm sure that she was abused by S9 members as part as her recruitment, having to pass some fucked up testes. She abandoned her hellish home for a hellish group. If this is not stupidity, then what else is???)

"Alec," she smiled. "Still sounds French. I approve, little brother."
"Cherie," he ran his fingers through his hair. "What the fuck?"
"If we're changing our names, I'm going by Cherish. I wanted to make an entrance."
"Man."
"You'll find others."
"Fuck," he sighed.
She reached for the three people who stood between her and her brother, manipulated their emotions towards Alec. Filled them with suspicion,
paranoia, hate.
They didn't budge.
"Cut it out, Cherie," Alec said, "I'm controlling them."
"If I remember right, you lose control if they're hit by enough emotion," she smiled. She turned up the intensity.
"If I'm farther away. Seriously, stop. It's irritating."
One of the men fell to his knees. His hands were clenched at his sides. Beads of sweat rolled down the faces of the other two, tears appearing in
their eyes.
"While I'm doing this, you can't tell them to attack me."
"Unless I've gotten stronger over the past few years," Alec answered. The man who was still standing reached for a knife and started walking towards Cherish.
She hit the knife wielder with fear and indecision, saw him stop.
For nearly a minute, they engaged in a tug of war over the three subjects.
"Seems we have a stalemate," she said, finally.
"Did the dirty old man send you?" Alec asked.
She shook her head, "Daddy? I went my own way. After a bit."
"How's he doing?"
"Unfocused. For the longest time, I thought he was building up to something. Lots of kids, ensuring they had powers. Thought he'd try to topple
the other gangs and become ruler of organized crime in Montreal."
"But?"
"But it didn't happen. Time passed, he never made a push for it. Guillaume got his power, you know. Ten or so of us kids, and three of us could control people one way or another. Four if we count you. We had what we needed to pull off something huge, and Daddy decided he wanted a celebrity among his girls. Took us on a road trip to a film set in Vancouver, kidnapped this star, took her back to Montreal. So petty."
"Somehow I'm not surprised."

Her name is Cherie but she wants to be called Cherish. You know, she's not very "dear" but I think that Cherish suits her better. She makes people want to love and protect her. Alec is surprisingly a fake name, his real name being Jean- Paul. I like your former name better, why you had to change it? Maybe because of your father but there are more Jean-Paul than one, you know. Mr Vasil is a terrible disgusting piece of shit as I already know and I'm still torn between feeling pity for Cherish and wanting to effectively strangle her. I don't like how these two are playing with the poor soldiers like they're their dummies and I hope that Alec will kick his sister's arrogant and stupid ass.

"Heroes came after us, from both Vancouver and Montreal. Half of what we had built and earned as the Vasil family just kind of got trampled in the fighting that spilled out from that. All because Daddy wanted to bone someone famous. I got fed up, left."
"So you're on your own. And he didn't send the others after you?" Alec moved one of his subject's legs so she would fall to the ground rather than point her gun at the man standing next to her.
"He did. Guillaume and Nicholas. Guillaume just has to touch someone and he can sense everything they do for a good while. Nicholas just wallops you with pants-shitting waves of terror. Literally thousands of eyes and ears looking for me, can't fight when they do get close to me."
"Right," he said.
"Anyways, it got old real fast, them constantly finding me, constantly making me pack up and run somewhere else. Besides, the freedom to do what I wanted and go where I wished kind of lost its appeal when the boredom set in. I would've done it even if my big brothers weren't coming for me, but I joined the Nine."
She looked at the multitude of small changes that crossed Alec's expression and smiled.
"Well," Alec said, after processing her statement, "That was dumb."
"It's exciting. I decided I needed to earn a place on the team, both to scare our brothers away and to add some spice to my routine. Took out Hatchet Face to do it."
"I got the info on him a day or so ago, after I heard the Slaughterhouse Nine were in town. Isn't he immune to powers? That's pretty much what he does. Super strong, enhanced toughness, big… and your powers just stop working when he gets close. Or they go haywire."
"He is immune to powers, but he didn't get close. See, difference between me and Daddy is that I have range. I can use my power even if I can't see the person I'm using it on. Through walls, from the building next door. Hatchet didn't get close enough to me to turn off my power. He tried, but it works both ways. I was prepped to run any time my power stopped working, because it told me he'd found my trail or guessed where I was."
"Ah. I sort of remember that bit about your power. The part that sticks in my head is that you don't have long-term benefits. It wears off, and your targets build immunity pretty quickly."

I definitely agree with Alec's statement. That was DUMB. Cherish IS A FUCKING DUMB BITCH. THE DUMBEST S9 MEMBER. I'm allergic to dumb people. She left a monster of a father because she was too bored with his crimes and now she have to work for another monster and his monstrous group and even if she'll probably get bored of them too, they'll never let her leave. She's trapped without escape. Stupidity hurts, Cherish, hurts pretty bad. You could have become an Undersider or a Fenrir's Chosen, but NOOOOOOOOOOO, you decided that being a S9 member is the brightest idea you ever had. "sighs" So, you're the one who killed Hatchet Face? And he had an immunity aura, making powers to stop working. But Cherish had range so she probably made him kill himself. This was her test, right? Hmmm, I expected something worse, this is pretty tame, I must say. Like hurting Siberian without being allowed to use her power. Or being merciless tortured by each S9 member. Dumb, but lucky bitch. Ok, I'll keep Guillaume and Nicholas in mind, I don't think this is the first and the last time I'm going to hear about them.

Cherie shrugged.
"I'm not the best when it comes to strategy, but I'm thinking… I'm going to win here. Eventually. You can't run without me getting control over my people and sending them after you, you can't use them to attack me, and if you stay, I can try doing this."
Her arm jerked involuntarily.
"Remember me practicing my power on you when it was new?"
"I remember, little brother," she frowned, looking at her arm. "Daddy had us all practice on each other."
"Well, I still remember how to hijack your body, pretty much. Info that's stored away in whatever corner of my brain makes my power work. I'm thinking I could get control over you pretty fast if I tried."
"Fuck," she said. "I think we'd both be happier if you didn't."
"Oh? You going to tell me the Nine will come after me if I don't let you go?"
She shook her head, then used one hand to brush the hair away from her face. "No. This."
She reached inside her jacket, and Alec made her hand seize up, the fingers striving to bend the opposite way.
"It's cool," she said. She winced with pain, then used her splayed hand to work a metal case the length of her forearm out into plain view. It dangled from a thick cord that stretched around her neck. "See this?"
"Yep."
"It's a bomb. Very simple. A block of explosives rigged to a timer. Any time I call the right number, the timer will reset. I did make the mistake of letting my phone battery die, but I figure I've still got a couple of minutes. If you keep me here for any longer than that, I go kablooie."
"Is that a threat? Sounds like a win for me."
"You'll probably get blown up as well. Or maimed," she smiled.
"I could walk away."
"And lose control over your minions as you get further away? Please do. I can make the call when you're gone."
His emotions were so muted. Dim. How much of that was Jean-Paul or Alec's personality, and how much was his natural immunity, built up over years of exposure to Daddy? She couldn't get a sense of what he was feeling, which was disappointing.

Ok, despite passing their very tame test, they still don't trust this dumb bitch. They force her to carry a bomb that will explode if she doesn't reset the timer from time to time. See, Cherish, your new family is not very kind and trustful with you. I don't want her to die only because I don't want Alec to die (he's my least favorite Undersider but I appreciate him a lot for what he did to Sophia so I'll be hurt by his death).

However faint his feelings were, she could sense the slightest change. A chime of attention. He didn't look at any of the puppets that he was struggling to control, but she could sense his attention flicker to the woman. A thrum of confidence.
They both dashed towards the woman at the same moment. In their hurry to get to her, they collided, falling to the ground as a trio.
The woman wasn't in any shape to fight, but Alec did strike Cherie across the head, fairly ineffectually. She retaliated by kicking him, then grabbed his wrist as he tried to draw the weapon he had in his pocket. It was a gold-painted stick topped with a crown. She couldn't see why he wanted it, but he did and so she wasn't about to let him have it for just that reason.
He changed tactics, rolling over to drive one shoulder into Cherie. With his free hand he tried to reach for the gun holster worn by the woman.
That had been what caught his attention, gave him that surge of confidence. Cherie fought with him, pulling him away, and then got one leg under him to roll him away. She pinned him, holding his wrists to the floor.
"Got you, little brother. You still suck at fighting."
He stared up at her, panting for breath and looking half-bored at the same time. He used his power, and she let go of his left hand to strike him across the face. He stopped.
She smiled, "Thought you should know that things got pretty shitty at home after you left. Daddy got really overprotective, angry. It sucked.
Sucked worse when we couldn't find you."
"Sorry," he said, in what she judged as the least convincing tone he could manage.
"My payback? I've nominated you for the Nine."
"Not interested."
"Doesn't matter. You get nominated, you're tested no matter what you want… and a few of the Nine don't want to have two Vasils on the same team. Shatterbird hates my guts, for some reason. Crawler doesn't respect me. Jack thinks it would be boring. So what I'm thinking is that this test? The initiation? It's going to be a little harder for you. They won't be testing you to see if you're mean enough, bloodthirsty enough, creative enough. They're just going to try to kill you."
"Fuck," Alec said, his eyes widening.
"Have fun with that," she smiled, standing. She had to leap back to avoid being stabbed with the gold-painted stick as she released his wrist.
"Now we're even."
"Fuck you. That's not even at all! I leave home, so you arrange to have me killed by some of the scariest fuckers on this side of Earth?"
"Yep," she smiled, smug. It was good to see she could provoke him, get a response out of him. Was that because she'd done it well, or had he gotten more emotional as of late?
He ran his fingers through his hair. "Lunatic."
"What I find really interesting is that you've got some connections. A girlfriend, maybe? No. Nothing romantic. You have friends? A team?"
He stayed silent.
"Come after me, I go after them. You may be immune, but they aren't."
"Fine."
"And remember, I can always tell Daddy where you are. He's pissed you left. Pissed I left, but he's too scared to come after me. Not with the Nine having my back."
"They don't have your back, Cherie."
She shrugged. "Close enough."
"No. They're going to kill you someday. Probably sooner than later, when you're no longer useful and they want the thrill of the hunt again.
You've probably seen what they can do. Fates worse than death. Just don't ask formy help when you realize it's happening."

"Whatever."
"You just screwed me over, Cherie. Don't know why you did it, but I think you did a pretty fucking good job of it. You trying to be like Jack? Trying to act like them, pretend you have a place there? Rest assured, you screwedyourself ten times as bad as you screwed me."
She scoffed at that.
"You're way out of your depth. As good as you think you are, they're better."
She smiled and shook her head, "We'll see. I'm gonna leave now. You're going to let me. Cool?"
He sighed. "Can't really stop you or you'll fuck with my team, right?"
"Right. But first…" She bent down and searched the woman who was sweating, panting, and twitching with the combination of Cherie's emotional assault and Alec's physical control. She found the gun, and then found a cell phone. She dialed the number to reset the timer on the bomb she wore.
She felt a touch relieved as the call went through. That could have been a pretty lethal mistake on her part. She'd have to break her rule and buy a cell phone charger.
"Bye, baby brother."
"Go die horribly, sis."
She smirked and turned to leave, putting a touch of extra sway into her walk as she made her way out the door.
She had this. A few weeks, one or two months at the most, she could be one of the most dangerous people in the world, barring the obvious
exceptions like the Endbringers.

What Alec didn't know was that her power did have long-term effects. Subtle, but they were there. Emotions were like drugs. People formed dependencies and tendencies. If she hit someone with a minute amount of dopamine every time they saw her, it would condition them until she didn't even need to use her power to do it.
Just a little while longer, she told herself, and I'll have the Nine wrapped around my little finger.

Ha ha ha ha ha, this Interlude ended up to be the funniest one all thanks to Cherish (I can't call her Cherie, ok?) monumental stupidity. Not only that she honestly believes that S9 will kill Alec and NOT kill her instead (Alec will be more useful than her to their team because he's smarter and better at strategies and he doesn't struggle with his power like her+ they already hates/don't trust her), she's also incredible arrogant, annoyingly smug, she believes that she can take down the other Undersiders by herself (Lisa alone can fuck her up with few well placed words), and worse than anything else, she thinks with her little, limited mind, that she can EVER defeat Jack and take his place as the new S9 boss. Jack is way too smart for her and he'll finish her if he'll ever have the smallest suspicion about her plans. Honestly? I think that Jack already knows about what Cherish wants to do but he's only silently testing her, to see how far she'll go. Jack can't be compared with this stupid bitch. I'm not worried for Alec or for any other Undersider threatened by Cherish. If there will be someone who'll be fucked systematically, that person won't be Alec or anyone else but Cherish herself. I really hate her (I don't even feel sorry for her anymore) and I'll have a great fun watching her downfall.

The last Interlude will be about Bonesaw, right? Bonesaw and her Scaredy Cat because the Crusader is Alec, he doesn't seem like a Scaredy Cat to me.
The actualized list of my favorites-least favorites S9 members: Burnscar, Jack, Siberian, Shatterbird, Crawler, Cherish, Mannequin. :D Will Bonesaw beat Burnscar up and become my favorite S9 member? She already have an advantage: she's a cute child Tinker (I saw few more fanart of her thanks to my friend and she's indeed cute). And she's a child. And she's a Tinker who isn't a mannequin. :D

Good night and sleep well, my cute little masochists and not so cute little masochists, and don't let stupid bitches playing with your emotions.
 
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Honestly, while...admittedly, the specifics (and "implications") of Coil's power are, to this day, fought over in the most stubborn and bitter of fandom trench wars since shipping wars, the basics of Coil's power aren't really that hard to grasp. Lisa herself gave a very succinct explanation of it to Taylor in the aftermath of Leviathan, but, lemme see if I can help elucidate a little.


You have Coil's power.
You use Step 1 of Coilpower.
You have "created two timelines"--two 'worlds', in which everything is exactly identical, up to and including marching forward in time and events progressing in exactly the same ways, EXCEPT for one thing:
Yourself. You are the only thing that is different between the two timelines. The two "versions of you" can take any different actions you desire in each timeline.
You cannot use Step 1 of Coilpower now.
You have perfect awareness of both "versions of you". You are, in effect, now one mind in two bodies. You perceive everything from both "versions of you" in both timelines simultaneously, and control them both simultaneously. You proceed forward in time with both of them, simultaneously.
Because the two timelines are exactly identical except for you, you can be the proverbial butterfly and cause events to turn out in two different ways. Or you can just eat ice cream in one timeline, and fruit salad in another, and get the full enjoyment of both.
Eventually, whenever you wish, you may choose to use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You pick between the two timelines which one you "don't want to keep". Step 2 of Coilpower then "deletes" this timeline. Everything in it, everything that existed and happened in one of the timelines, ceases to exist, as if it in fact had never existed in the first place--except for one thing.
Yourself. You retain all memory from your perspective of the deleted timeline, so you know how the actions you took in that timeline didn't pan out how you wanted them to.
From the moment in time after you used Step 2 of Coilpower and onward, you are now allowed to use Step 1 of Coilpower again at any time--but once you do, you cannot use Step 1 -yet again- until after you use Step 2, just like before. (Basically, you cannot use either step twice in a row.)
And so on and so forth.



Basically, this power is ridiculously good on the offensive, when you have the initiative in whatever situation, and helpful but not so great in a defensive situation where you have lost initiative.

Take the example you were trying to figure out earlier in the thread, "Eidolon goes after Coil". If, for whatever reason, Eidolon learns of Coil and decides to attack, tracking him down with some sort of magic GPS before Coil has used Step 1 of his power, then Coil can try to use Step 1, and flee to the left in one timeline, and flee to the right in the second timeline, but it doesn't help him because Eidolon is already following him in both timelines--because they are already identical, except for whatever Coil does after using Step 1.

On the other hand, say Coil wants to get rid of Eidolon but doesn't yet know how, but also, Eidolon doesn't know Coil exists (or doesn't see him as a threat). Coil can split the timelines, and in one timeline, stay safely at home eating popcorn and watching anime. In the second timeline, Coil sends himself out to attack Eidolon--or more likely, orders other people to attack Eidolon on his behalf--in some way that might possibly give him an idea of Eidolon's power and potential weaknesses. Eidolon, of course, utterly wrecks the shit of whatever attacks him, but Coil saw through cameras how Eidolon fights, and now has a better picture of ways he might kill Eidolon. Now, even suppose at this point, Eidolon uses some sort of perception-power to know it was Coil who sent the attackers, and now is flying off to go wreck Coil's shit personally. At this point, Coil uses Step 2 of his power, and deletes the timeline where he ordered the attack on Eidolon. That timeline ceases to exist as if it never was to begin with. Coil is still sitting safely at home and just finished a DBZ binge and 3 bowls of popcorn. Eidolon is still sitting safely at HQ himself, nothing ever attacked him, he has no knowledge of anyone even thinking to attack him. But over in Coil's home, Coil remembers. Coil then thinks up a different idea for attacking Eidolon, using different people, that will give him more and different information on how Eidolon works, to fill in more blanks of Eidolon's power and how Eidolon might be killed, and so uses Step 1 again--at which he can do everything of the above all over again, but in another different way (though in his 'safe' timeline, he probably doesn't want to eat -another- bowl of popcorn after already eating 3, so instead starts munching a nice carrot).


Hopefully that cleared things up, at least the basics? (Like I said though, the specifics/"implications" of Coil's power, including "how it actually works", is subject to debate that has no end in sight as of yet--even with WoG on the subject, heh. But the above explanation is the practical matter of how the power functions as you perceive it, if you were Coil.)

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Ok, thank you a lot for explanations but the thing that I still don't understand is what will happen if two different persons will kill Coil in both timelines in different ways. For example, Lisa will shoot him in Timeline A and Taylor will fill his stomach with bees in Timeline B. He'll finally die or its really necessary for the same person to kill him in both timelines in the same way? But if these two timelines are identical except for the both version of Coil, then must be a single person who'll kill him in a single way. Otherwise, it won't work if two different persons will kill both his version. This is exactly what I don't understand. How he can die. Under what conditions?
 
the daydreamer is Elle (so, Elle is an recruit? Mimi nominated her as an recruit? Kind of unexpected)
Not all of the named ones are recruits. Elle is indeed the daydreamer, but as I said, Mimi was visiting her for purposes unrelated to recruitment.

the crusader....(either Alec or the last candidate)
Cherish said she didn't have to give a nickname to the person she was visiting, so Alec didn't get one. The crusader is Purity, who Jack initially wanted to mess with before his conversation with Theo gave him new ideas; she's the other person the Nine wanted to visit without nominating.

Next time: Bonesaw, the scaredy-cat, and other things.
 
*delurk*

Honestly, while...admittedly, the specifics (and "implications") of Coil's power are, to this day, fought over in the most stubborn and bitter of fandom trench wars since shipping wars, the basics of Coil's power aren't really that hard to grasp. Lisa herself gave a very succinct explanation of it to Taylor in the aftermath of Leviathan, but, lemme see if I can help elucidate a little.


You have Coil's power.
You use Step 1 of Coilpower.
You have "created two timelines"--two 'worlds', in which everything is exactly identical, up to and including marching forward in time and events progressing in exactly the same ways, EXCEPT for one thing:
Yourself. You are the only thing that is different between the two timelines. The two "versions of you" can take any different actions you desire in each timeline.
You cannot use Step 1 of Coilpower now.
You have perfect awareness of both "versions of you". You are, in effect, now one mind in two bodies. You perceive everything from both "versions of you" in both timelines simultaneously, and control them both simultaneously. You proceed forward in time with both of them, simultaneously.
Because the two timelines are exactly identical except for you, you can be the proverbial butterfly and cause events to turn out in two different ways. Or you can just eat ice cream in one timeline, and fruit salad in another, and get the full enjoyment of both.
Eventually, whenever you wish, you may choose to use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You use Step 2 of Coilpower.
You pick between the two timelines which one you "don't want to keep". Step 2 of Coilpower then "deletes" this timeline. Everything in it, everything that existed and happened in one of the timelines, ceases to exist, as if it in fact had never existed in the first place--except for one thing.
Yourself. You retain all memory from your perspective of the deleted timeline, so you know how the actions you took in that timeline didn't pan out how you wanted them to.
From the moment in time after you used Step 2 of Coilpower and onward, you are now allowed to use Step 1 of Coilpower again at any time--but once you do, you cannot use Step 1 -yet again- until after you use Step 2, just like before. (Basically, you cannot use either step twice in a row.)
And so on and so forth.



Basically, this power is ridiculously good on the offensive, when you have the initiative in whatever situation, and helpful but not so great in a defensive situation where you have lost initiative.

Take the example you were trying to figure out earlier in the thread, "Eidolon goes after Coil". If, for whatever reason, Eidolon learns of Coil and decides to attack, tracking him down with some sort of magic GPS before Coil has used Step 1 of his power, then Coil can try to use Step 1, and flee to the left in one timeline, and flee to the right in the second timeline, but it doesn't help him because Eidolon is already following him in both timelines--because they are already identical, except for whatever Coil does after using Step 1.

On the other hand, say Coil wants to get rid of Eidolon but doesn't yet know how, but also, Eidolon doesn't know Coil exists (or doesn't see him as a threat). Coil can split the timelines, and in one timeline, stay safely at home eating popcorn and watching anime. In the second timeline, Coil sends himself out to attack Eidolon--or more likely, orders other people to attack Eidolon on his behalf--in some way that might possibly give him an idea of Eidolon's power and potential weaknesses. Eidolon, of course, utterly wrecks the shit of whatever attacks him, but Coil saw through cameras how Eidolon fights, and now has a better picture of ways he might kill Eidolon. Now, even suppose at this point, Eidolon uses some sort of perception-power to know it was Coil who sent the attackers, and now is flying off to go wreck Coil's shit personally. At this point, Coil uses Step 2 of his power, and deletes the timeline where he ordered the attack on Eidolon. That timeline ceases to exist as if it never was to begin with. Coil is still sitting safely at home and just finished a DBZ binge and 3 bowls of popcorn. Eidolon is still sitting safely at HQ himself, nothing ever attacked him, he has no knowledge of anyone even thinking to attack him. But over in Coil's home, Coil remembers. Coil then thinks up a different idea for attacking Eidolon, using different people, that will give him more and different information on how Eidolon works, to fill in more blanks of Eidolon's power and how Eidolon might be killed, and so uses Step 1 again--at which he can do everything of the above all over again, but in another different way (though in his 'safe' timeline, he probably doesn't want to eat -another- bowl of popcorn after already eating 3, so instead starts munching a nice carrot).


Hopefully that cleared things up, at least the basics? (Like I said though, the specifics/"implications" of Coil's power, including "how it actually works", is subject to debate that has no end in sight as of yet--even with WoG on the subject, heh. But the above explanation is the practical matter of how the power functions as you perceive it, if you were Coil.)

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Actually they are not time lines, but an almost perfect simulation of the reality that is chosen beforehand.
Also, blackarrow, you should not underestimate any member of the slaughterhouse nine.
 
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Eh, Cherish is really not the sharpest tool out there. Expect a lot of dumb things with her.
As for the way that Coil's power works, remember this image:
 
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Ok, thank you a lot for explanations but the thing that I still don't understand is what will happen if two different persons will kill Coil in both timelines in different ways. For example, Lisa will shoot him in Timeline A and Taylor will fill his stomach with bees in Timeline B. He'll finally die or its really necessary for the same person to kill him in both timelines in the same way? But if these two timelines are identical except for the both version of Coil, then must be a single person who'll kill him in a single way. Otherwise, it won't work if two different persons will kill both his version. This is exactly what I don't understand. How he can die. Under what conditions?
It's...actually rather simple? I'm having a little trouble figuring out why exactly you're still having problems with it so I can clarify the right aspect. I don't know what part is causing the difficulty, so I can only shoot-in-the-dark repeatedly hoping I clarify the correct point...

Actually, I ended up writing a huge wall of text, but I didn't want to just delete it all after everything I wrote, so I've put it in the below spoilerbox, no actual story spoilers but don't read if the following explanation does work for you, otherwise the spoilerbox probably isn't the best for helping clarification. So instead, I frame this in semi-metaphorical terms, starting with a few axioms:


Aside from his timeline-splitter, Coil is an ordinary human. He is no stronger, tougher, faster, more perceptive, or even smarter than a human could normally be--and he dumpstatted those first three attributes, and the fourth is exactly why he's gone to such extremes to enslave Dinah.

Coil splits timelines. Both proceed for a while, such that both are turning out quite differently for him. Say in T-A, things are going pretty badly for him, and he's probably going to drop it, but hasn't yet because he's still getting useful information in it. But, in T-B, he -thinks- things are okay, but Sneaky Parahuman--with the power to slowly build invisible boxes and then fill them with water--has been building a box around him without him noticing. So then he finally drops T-A and keeps T-B (which then becomes T-0, the real timeline before he splits again), but by the point he drops T-A, Sneaky Parahuman has already finished building the box and locked it in T-B, now T-0. There is no physically possible way out, and the box starts filling with water. No matter how he splits timelines from that point on, he dies for real, because in no possible scenario can he possibly break the box before he drowns, no matter what he tries. There is no timeline in which he is not in the box and drowning.

It works similarly even if Sneaky Parahuman hasn't -completely- finished building the box yet by the time Coil keeps this timeline where he is almost trapped--even if he splits then, as long as Sneaky Parahuman can complete the box before Coil can walk far enough to get out of where the box is before Sneaky Parahuman closes and locks it, then again--in neither timeline is he out of the box, therefore, in all possible timelines he dies--and thus dies for real.

Remember what he said in his own interlude a while back; Whenever he splits timelines, the first thing he always does when possible is to send one version of himself as far away from the other as possible, because he himself knows the moments after he splits the timelines are when he is most vulnerable.

Now substitute "Sneaky Parahuman" for anyone making secret plans against him, and "the box" with said plans.

It's even possible for him to true-die to sheer dumb luck, like the scenario you paint; suppose he's been running A and B for a while, so differently that due to cosmically awful luck, Taylor is about to bee-kill him in one, and Lisa is about to gun-kill him in another. As long as both of these events are about to happen at almost the same time--which is likely because if he hasn't dropped a timeline yet, then he doesn't realize the danger he's in--then he is "in a box" already in both timelines, just for different reasons. So say Taylor surprise-kills him first in A, and that timeline autodrops. But in timeline B, which he just kept, he's also already stuck in Lisa's box, because she's got her scope trained on him at that very moment. He can split timelines again on the spot, and run right in new-A, and left in new-B, but it doesn't matter, Lisa then shoots him in both, such that no matter how or when he could possibly split or what action he could possibly take, he then dies in all possible timelines. He could go up, down, left right, forward, backward--if Lisa is too good to miss, then he dies in all possible permutations. (Same thing happens if Lisa shoots first, leaving a completely ordinary human Coil to try to run away from a swarm of killer bees that is moments away from reaching him, and there is no tool or shelter within reach that will save him, no matter how he splits) The only way he survives is if the moment Taylor kills him in a timeline which then drops, Lisa does not yet have her scope trained on Coil's skull--he is not in the box yet--then it's physically possible for him to survive if he chooses the right actions.

Which is another thing. He can "only" ever choose two actions at once, which is admittedly one more than anyone else, but still just two--and while he can make one of those choices "never happen", he still can't take back the one he does keep. Suppose there's ten possible actions he could take in one given instant, but in seven of them he dies, and only in three he survives. If he's unlucky enough for both his only two choices to not be any of the three safe actions, Coil ded.

How can he die, you ask? Under what conditions? Simple: being in a physically inescapable situation in both of his timelines (whether that be the -same- physically-inescapable situation in both from a fresh timeline split, or two -different- physically-inescapable situations in two long-running timelines. It works out the same way: he ded.) He just needs to be in a physically inescapable situation in both timelines simultaneously before either drops. Doesn't matter how that happens, only that it does.


I mean, there are some fans who underestimate his power all the time, but I've never before seen anyone get the impression that his power makes him literally immortal. :p




Coil is -not- immortal. Two factors; killing him in any timeline auto-cuts that timeline for him, but, it also takes him a moment to re-split after a timeline drop, because, this is key, he is a normal human with normal human reaction times, and he is proceeding forward in time at exactly the same rate as anyone else--he has no ability to slow, pause, or reverse time. Like I exampled in my very post above, if someone is already after him before he splits the timeline, and has him dead to rights no matter what he does in either, then yeah, that's it, he's done. Like, say he's walking down a street, and -hasn't- split timelines yet, then a crazed mugger comes out of nowhere and shoves him to the ground and waves a gun shouting "Gimme your money or I'll shoot!" but is about to shoot anyway because crazy, if Coil splits timelines right there--in one, he rolls to the right, in the second, he rolls to the left--he gets shot in both. He might die a second later in one or the other, but it doesn't make a difference how or when he splits the timelines, if he is already in a physically inescapable situation.

But also remember the other thing I said. The two timelines are exactly identical, except for whatever is affected by Coil's actions. Meaning: Anything that Coil does not affect, anything that he does not know about, and he doesn't know a -lot- (because other than this timeline power he is a completely baseline human being with no other special perceptions, he's not omniscient--which is exactly why he has invested so much in enslaving Dinah, to give him access to more perception, but Dinah -also- isn't perfect), proceeds exactly the same in both timelines. If Private Investigator Parahuman with sneaky powers is looking into this matter of a mysterious leader of the most low-profile gang in Brockton suspected to be behind some nasty stuff, and Coil doesn't know about this guy, then as long as none of Coil's actions in any timeline incidentally reach far enough to affect the guy's investigation, no matter how or when timelines are split, then the guy's investigation proceeds unhindered, until either Coil learns about him, or Private Investigator Parahuman with Sneaky powers finally manages to sneak up on the mysterious gang leader first.

Or, in other more metaphorical words; he walks into a box before splitting timelines, box locks and starts filling with water. No physically possible way out, he can split timelines all he wants, it doesn't let him get out of the box before he drowns if he was already in it before he split. Simple--but admittedly not easy. You have to either put the box around him without him finding out and shut the box before he splits, or trick him into walking into that box without a timeline split to begin with when he's trying to avoid exactly that--but he is only human, and can make mistakes.

But it's also -possible- he -could- get stuck in the very situation you describe, if he's already far apart in two timelines but gets killed in both, -if- by cosmic coincidence both killings happen almost at the same time. He split the timeline a while ago, and somehow based on -his- actions, Taylor is closest to killing him in one(say he went to the trainyard in this one, where Taylor is waiting), Lisa in the other(say he went to the boardwalk, where Lisa is waiting). If Taylor kills him with bees in one timeline, forcing an auto-drop of it, and the exact same moment he's walking down the street in the second timeline with Lisa already having him in her sights, then he's -stuck- walking down that street with Lisa about to pull the trigger, and in such a situation even if he were to split timelines again, the most he could possibly do is walk in two different directions--and then get shot in both anyway, killing him for good. But such a situation is phenomenally unlikely to be pulled off unless someone had a power that let them know what was going on with Coil's...and even then, when you lay it out, he's actually dying the same way as -one- person killing him; He's in two very different timelines, and has two people about to kill him in both. One timeline hits him first. He doesn't true-die, just drops the one. But now he's stuck in the other timeline where he's about to be killed by the other person, and even if he splits timelines right then, he literally cannot physically do enough to stop from then "twice" to the same--in other words, he just got shut in the box.

That's really what it comes down to; just "simply" (but not easily) engineer a situation in which he is in a kept timeline, and is then caught in a physically inescapable situation before or as he splits timelines again.




Actually they are not time lines, but an almost perfect simulation of the reality that is chosen beforehand.
Also, blackarrow, you should not underestimate any member of the slaughterhouse nine.
That would indeed be the mere beginning of the War Without End to which I was referring, yes. Best to keep that out of here, poor Blackarrow is having enough trouble without going down a line of discussion that leads to vicious arguments involving quantum mechanics and P-zombies and other shit. :p


(For the record, that is the side I come down on too for being WoG, but there is absolutely no call to even start talking about the high complexities and implications of Coil's power to add even more confusion to Blackarrow when the basics are already being such a conundrum. :p I am speaking only from the perspective of the user of the power to keep it as comprehensible as possible, thus, it "looks like" timeline splitting. Blackarrow, ignore everything from rafuki's quote to now, forget you ever read it before you stare too deep into the Madness Beyond :p )



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Ok, thank you a lot for explanations but the thing that I still don't understand is what will happen if two different persons will kill Coil in both timelines in different ways. For example, Lisa will shoot him in Timeline A and Taylor will fill his stomach with bees in Timeline B. He'll finally die or its really necessary for the same person to kill him in both timelines in the same way? But if these two timelines are identical except for the both version of Coil, then must be a single person who'll kill him in a single way. Otherwise, it won't work if two different persons will kill both his version. This is exactly what I don't understand. How he can die. Under what conditions?

It doesn't have to be the same way, just close to the same time.
Here let us imagine an example:
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Coil is sitting in his room when Lisa calls him and says she needs to talk to him and he uses his power to split reality.​
In reality A he says that he is busy and stays in his room working.
In reality B he agrees to meet with Lisa and drives out to her HQ which takes half an hour.​
Unknown to Coil Skitter is hiding under his bed where she lies in wait also for half an hour (like she agreed with Lisa).
(the Skitter under the bed in this reality goes home)
When Coil arrives Lisa pulls out a gun and shoots Coil in the stomach.
Coil would rather stay in his room than get shot, so he could banish this reality,
but he decides to try to get Lisa to reveal something useful for him first while he lies bleeding.​
Meanwhile Coil in reality A calls the Travelers on his phone and tells them to go to his HQ (so he can plan their revenge attack on Lisa)
Skitter takes this as her cue and attacks Coil from total surprize and fills his stomach with bees.
Now no matter which reality Coil choses to keep he is going to die, he would probably banish reality A because bees hurt more than bleeding, and he might try some desperate things to get Lisa to get him medical attention, but that won't work, so now he is dead.
***​

Of course in actual wormverse reality I would be harder than that because Coil is smart and paranoid and hides when he splits reality so that people cannot use it against him, but if you somehow found out you could strike.
 
Not all of the named ones are recruits. Elle is indeed the daydreamer, but as I said, Mimi was visiting her for purposes unrelated to recruitment.


Cherish said she didn't have to give a nickname to the person she was visiting, so Alec didn't get one. The crusader is Purity, who Jack initially wanted to mess with before his conversation with Theo gave him new ideas; she's the other person the Nine wanted to visit without nominating.

Next time: Bonesaw, the scaredy-cat, and other things.

Thank you. Yes, Crusader seems fitting for Kayden more than Alec. She's like a crusader, carrying her religious war against "defective" people (this is how she thinks about her actions). I kind of don't like that Alec wasn't given a nickname. I was really curious to see how they're going to call him. :)
 
Actually they are not time lines, but an almost perfect simulation of the reality that is chosen beforehand.
Also, blackarrow, you should not underestimate any member of the slaughterhouse nine.

I don't underestimate Cherish's power, is pretty powerful...if it is used by a smarter person, of course :). But she's not a very smart person, this is easy to see. I mean, look, Jack doesn't have an exceptionally strong power- take away all his knives from him and he'll be defenseless power-wise. But his best weapon is his intelligence and manipulation skills. While Cherish have nothing of these, she's just a dumb bitch who underestimate everyone: Alec, Undersiders, and worse than all, Jack. If either Mannequin or Bonesaw would have tried to take Jack down then that would be a danger for Jack because Mannequin is as very smart asshole and I suppose Bonesaw is not stupid either. But Cherish, I give her zero chances. The only way she can take Jack down if she'll make an alliance with Coil/Undersiders/Travelers and tell them whatever she knows about Jack, all his weaknesses and plans, and help them in this way to defeat him. But this is the last thing she'll ever do. She wants to rule over S9, not finish them off.
 
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It's...actually rather simple? I'm having a little trouble figuring out why exactly you're still having problems with it so I can clarify the right aspect. I don't know what part is causing the difficulty, so I can only shoot-in-the-dark repeatedly hoping I clarify the correct point...

Actually, I ended up writing a huge wall of text, but I didn't want to just delete it all after everything I wrote, so I've put it in the below spoilerbox, no actual story spoilers but don't read if the following explanation does work for you, otherwise the spoilerbox probably isn't the best for helping clarification. So instead, I frame this in semi-metaphorical terms, starting with a few axioms:


Aside from his timeline-splitter, Coil is an ordinary human. He is no stronger, tougher, faster, more perceptive, or even smarter than a human could normally be--and he dumpstatted those first three attributes, and the fourth is exactly why he's gone to such extremes to enslave Dinah.

Coil splits timelines. Both proceed for a while, such that both are turning out quite differently for him. Say in T-A, things are going pretty badly for him, and he's probably going to drop it, but hasn't yet because he's still getting useful information in it. But, in T-B, he -thinks- things are okay, but Sneaky Parahuman--with the power to slowly build invisible boxes and then fill them with water--has been building a box around him without him noticing. So then he finally drops T-A and keeps T-B (which then becomes T-0, the real timeline before he splits again), but by the point he drops T-A, Sneaky Parahuman has already finished building the box and locked it in T-B, now T-0. There is no physically possible way out, and the box starts filling with water. No matter how he splits timelines from that point on, he dies for real, because in no possible scenario can he possibly break the box before he drowns, no matter what he tries. There is no timeline in which he is not in the box and drowning.

It works similarly even if Sneaky Parahuman hasn't -completely- finished building the box yet by the time Coil keeps this timeline where he is almost trapped--even if he splits then, as long as Sneaky Parahuman can complete the box before Coil can walk far enough to get out of where the box is before Sneaky Parahuman closes and locks it, then again--in neither timeline is he out of the box, therefore, in all possible timelines he dies--and thus dies for real.

Remember what he said in his own interlude a while back; Whenever he splits timelines, the first thing he always does when possible is to send one version of himself as far away from the other as possible, because he himself knows the moments after he splits the timelines are when he is most vulnerable.

Now substitute "Sneaky Parahuman" for anyone making secret plans against him, and "the box" with said plans.

It's even possible for him to true-die to sheer dumb luck, like the scenario you paint; suppose he's been running A and B for a while, so differently that due to cosmically awful luck, Taylor is about to bee-kill him in one, and Lisa is about to gun-kill him in another. As long as both of these events are about to happen at almost the same time--which is likely because if he hasn't dropped a timeline yet, then he doesn't realize the danger he's in--then he is "in a box" already in both timelines, just for different reasons. So say Taylor surprise-kills him first in A, and that timeline autodrops. But in timeline B, which he just kept, he's also already stuck in Lisa's box, because she's got her scope trained on him at that very moment. He can split timelines again on the spot, and run right in new-A, and left in new-B, but it doesn't matter, Lisa then shoots him in both, such that no matter how or when he could possibly split or what action he could possibly take, he then dies in all possible timelines. He could go up, down, left right, forward, backward--if Lisa is too good to miss, then he dies in all possible permutations. (Same thing happens if Lisa shoots first, leaving a completely ordinary human Coil to try to run away from a swarm of killer bees that is moments away from reaching him, and there is no tool or shelter within reach that will save him, no matter how he splits) The only way he survives is if the moment Taylor kills him in a timeline which then drops, Lisa does not yet have her scope trained on Coil's skull--he is not in the box yet--then it's physically possible for him to survive if he chooses the right actions.

Which is another thing. He can "only" ever choose two actions at once, which is admittedly one more than anyone else, but still just two--and while he can make one of those choices "never happen", he still can't take back the one he does keep. Suppose there's ten possible actions he could take in one given instant, but in seven of them he dies, and only in three he survives. If he's unlucky enough for both his only two choices to not be any of the three safe actions, Coil ded.

How can he die, you ask? Under what conditions? Simple: being in a physically inescapable situation in both of his timelines (whether that be the -same- physically-inescapable situation in both from a fresh timeline split, or two -different- physically-inescapable situations in two long-running timelines. It works out the same way: he ded.) He just needs to be in a physically inescapable situation in both timelines simultaneously before either drops. Doesn't matter how that happens, only that it does.


I mean, there are some fans who underestimate his power all the time, but I've never before seen anyone get the impression that his power makes him literally immortal. :p




Coil is -not- immortal. Two factors; killing him in any timeline auto-cuts that timeline for him, but, it also takes him a moment to re-split after a timeline drop, because, this is key, he is a normal human with normal human reaction times, and he is proceeding forward in time at exactly the same rate as anyone else--he has no ability to slow, pause, or reverse time. Like I exampled in my very post above, if someone is already after him before he splits the timeline, and has him dead to rights no matter what he does in either, then yeah, that's it, he's done. Like, say he's walking down a street, and -hasn't- split timelines yet, then a crazed mugger comes out of nowhere and shoves him to the ground and waves a gun shouting "Gimme your money or I'll shoot!" but is about to shoot anyway because crazy, if Coil splits timelines right there--in one, he rolls to the right, in the second, he rolls to the left--he gets shot in both. He might die a second later in one or the other, but it doesn't make a difference how or when he splits the timelines, if he is already in a physically inescapable situation.

But also remember the other thing I said. The two timelines are exactly identical, except for whatever is affected by Coil's actions. Meaning: Anything that Coil does not affect, anything that he does not know about, and he doesn't know a -lot- (because other than this timeline power he is a completely baseline human being with no other special perceptions, he's not omniscient--which is exactly why he has invested so much in enslaving Dinah, to give him access to more perception, but Dinah -also- isn't perfect), proceeds exactly the same in both timelines. If Private Investigator Parahuman with sneaky powers is looking into this matter of a mysterious leader of the most low-profile gang in Brockton suspected to be behind some nasty stuff, and Coil doesn't know about this guy, then as long as none of Coil's actions in any timeline incidentally reach far enough to affect the guy's investigation, no matter how or when timelines are split, then the guy's investigation proceeds unhindered, until either Coil learns about him, or Private Investigator Parahuman with Sneaky powers finally manages to sneak up on the mysterious gang leader first.

Or, in other more metaphorical words; he walks into a box before splitting timelines, box locks and starts filling with water. No physically possible way out, he can split timelines all he wants, it doesn't let him get out of the box before he drowns if he was already in it before he split. Simple--but admittedly not easy. You have to either put the box around him without him finding out and shut the box before he splits, or trick him into walking into that box without a timeline split to begin with when he's trying to avoid exactly that--but he is only human, and can make mistakes.

But it's also -possible- he -could- get stuck in the very situation you describe, if he's already far apart in two timelines but gets killed in both, -if- by cosmic coincidence both killings happen almost at the same time. He split the timeline a while ago, and somehow based on -his- actions, Taylor is closest to killing him in one(say he went to the trainyard in this one, where Taylor is waiting), Lisa in the other(say he went to the boardwalk, where Lisa is waiting). If Taylor kills him with bees in one timeline, forcing an auto-drop of it, and the exact same moment he's walking down the street in the second timeline with Lisa already having him in her sights, then he's -stuck- walking down that street with Lisa about to pull the trigger, and in such a situation even if he were to split timelines again, the most he could possibly do is walk in two different directions--and then get shot in both anyway, killing him for good. But such a situation is phenomenally unlikely to be pulled off unless someone had a power that let them know what was going on with Coil's...and even then, when you lay it out, he's actually dying the same way as -one- person killing him; He's in two very different timelines, and has two people about to kill him in both. One timeline hits him first. He doesn't true-die, just drops the one. But now he's stuck in the other timeline where he's about to be killed by the other person, and even if he splits timelines right then, he literally cannot physically do enough to stop from then "twice" to the same--in other words, he just got shut in the box.

That's really what it comes down to; just "simply" (but not easily) engineer a situation in which he is in a kept timeline, and is then caught in a physically inescapable situation before or as he splits timelines again.





That would indeed be the mere beginning of the War Without End to which I was referring, yes. Best to keep that out of here, poor Blackarrow is having enough trouble without going down a line of discussion that leads to vicious arguments involving quantum mechanics and P-zombies and other shit. :p


(For the record, that is the side I come down on too for being WoG, but there is absolutely no call to even start talking about the high complexities and implications of Coil's power to add even more confusion to Blackarrow when the basics are already being such a conundrum. :p I am speaking only from the perspective of the user of the power to keep it as comprehensible as possible, thus, it "looks like" timeline splitting. Blackarrow, ignore everything from rafuki's quote to now, forget you ever read it before you stare too deep into the Madness Beyond :p )



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Thank you a lot for all the explanation. Now I understand everything clearly (or I hope so :p). See, this is one of the reasons why I decided to do a review with audition, because there are a lot of people SMARTER than me around here who can help me when I have problems to understand some situations/characters. The other reason- its more fun this way. So, Coil is not invincible, neither immortal, he can be killed in both timelines if there's no way out for him. This is everything I should know about him :D. There's not a single parahumans invincible in this story, right? Even Siberian, she must her her weakness, her Achilles' heel (ok, don't tell me which one is, thanks :D). I DARE to think that even Scion and Endbringers can be defeated in a way or another.
And yes, you're right about warning people against talking to me about quantum mechanics. I never, never understand the concept of quantum mechanics and how it works (even if I read about but I'm very slow when it comes to physics). And what P-zombies means? Never heard about the term before.
 
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