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Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]

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Cosar said:
Presumably Hilde also stole the blueprints when she took the ship. So while they might be able to reproduce it given time they have to recreate everything, which is a problem if the project lead is now also incapacitated to some degree.
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I'd imagine it's hard for Cid to hold a drafting pen with oglop 'arms,' yeah.
 
I personally think trying to diagnose potential plot holes this early is a bit silly. It may or may not get explained in an hour, or five, or fifty, but these are in any case mostly things not worth stressing over.
 
Omicron said:
Absolutely random question I'm suddenly obsessed with:

Is Cid IX the first Final Fantasy character to canonically cheat on his wife???
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Ramza and Alma were bastard children, even if they were legitimized later. I'm not sure Zaalbags mother was ever mentioned however...

There was also that person in honey bee in who's 'hobby' was found out by their wife.
 
Mamaluigi7 said:
That makes no sense, why would Hilda care about taking the blueprints? And wouldn't the blueprints be kept in a file holder somewhere and not on the ship itself?
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She's the queen: if she can turn Cid into a bug and steal the ship I think she can probably go to wherever the files are and take them.

As for why she would care about the blueprints, well, for one she presumably wants to keep flying this thing. Being able to fix the ship if something happens likely is going to require knowing how it works. But, also, even outside of something like that she's doing this to mess with Cid. So why would she make things easier for him?
 
Havocfett said:
No, they just don't bother explaining every little detail to you because that would take up time and not add anything to the story. FF9, alongside most other media, expected you to be able to make the most basic logical conclusions imaginable so it doesn't have to waste time handholding you through them all the time.
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MysticSeer said:
If that's the case you don't have a leg to stand on because your view of the story is rooted in headcanon, headcanon that sometimes outright contradicts canon. What , do you think that you and only you have an objective idea of what's going on?
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How about we discuss this in the other spoiler related thread if you want answers?
 
Mamaluigi7 said:
You didn't answer the question of why they can't just reuse the blueprints of the first Hilda Garde. And how was my most recent post in any way a rant? I was just asking questions and expressing disagreements.
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you made a nearly 500 word post of nothing but complaining about the game and saying it makes no sense, even though to even argue it makes no sense you frequently have to contradict on screen fact or extrapolate into what by your own standards are wild headcanons (Omicron observes that the waltzes are violent nuts, probably don't work well together. You say; HEADCANON. You argue blueprints must exist, off literally nothing on screen. That's a headcanon by your standards), I'd say that fits the criteria for a rant quite well.
 
Plenty of works have innovation and development be done in a way where the latest stuff can be stymied in terms of reproduction or copying by someone blasting or stealing a prototype or first copy, or killing/taking out the main science guy whom it all depends on. I'm not inclined to be hard on FF9 for it doing a very common fiction cliche, especially when it's less industrial and tech-ish than the previous two final fantasy's.

Having a problem with something like that is having a problem with how fiction handles science broadly, rather than with something that final fantasy 9 is doing worse than fiction, and it involves picking the more fantasy-esque game to complain about the silliness of fiction science, which feels like a very poor choice to care about that as something done. I'm not expecting a work like it to be the work that has tech development be done sensibly, because it's not remotely that sort of work.
 
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Mamaluigi7 said:
Explain to me why Zorn and Thorn didn't just program the Waltzes to work well with each other, that is what I meant by Omicron's claims on the waltzes being headcanon. They are the ones that experimented on the Waltzes.
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'because people are stupid and life is hard and people do less than optimal things all the time'.

there. done. I don't even need to theorize that they couldn't, which by the way until and unless we get info on the black waltz creation process may well be true, I can just point out that characters not doing The Optimal Thing is not a goddamn plot hole.

The waltzes, observably, do not work as Zorn and Thorn would most optimally want them to. There is no way in hell Zorn and Thorn's ideal world is 'we have to bail out because black waltz no 3 is coming this way and a threat to us, it's creators', so obviously they can't just get any result they would want, nevermind the possibility of actual ineptness on their part.
 
Mamaluigi7 said:
Explain to me why Zorn and Thorn didn't just program the Waltzes to work well with each other, that is what I meant by Omicron's claims on the waltzes being headcanon. They are the ones that experimented on the Waltzes. The Waltzes aren't nuts, they are artificial living weapons, and that isn't a spoiler because Zorn and Thorn just said so themselves before in the play through.
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Gee, I dunno, maybe it was them not doing that programming very well, as directly demonstrated in the same scene you're referencing by Number 3 hijacking their airship to keep fighting well after the point where it should have retreated while ranting endlessly about "My only purpose is to kill" with them completely unable to countermand this?
 
I'd say the "programming" and creation of the Walzes seems to be done more in the area of conjuring or creating some magic or mad science creature, where it's not exact and can have the creator have it's creations have odd and unexpected quirks each time as they mess around and try to have some formula or mixture hopefully pop out a creature that is what the creator wants. Typical fiction mad or experimental science, where creation involves testing or figuring out ideas as you make things and throw them out to be used as basically unique models or prototypes then, pretty unremarkable.
 
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Mamaluigi7 said:
Explain to me why Zorn and Thorn didn't just program the Waltzes to work well with each other, that is what I meant by Omicron's claims on the waltzes being headcanon. They are the ones that experimented on the Waltzes. The Waltzes aren't nuts, they are artificial living weapons, and that isn't a spoiler because Zorn and Thorn just said so themselves before in the playthrough.

This is a strawman argument.

And just to clarify, I find the beginning of IX to be decent mostly.
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Why should anyone explain anything to you? This isn't your thread, the internet exists. Go watch a video essay about it.
 
Mamaluigi7 said:
That makes no sense, why would Hilda care about taking the blueprints? And wouldn't the blueprints be kept in a file holder somewhere and not on the ship itself?
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I dunno, have you tried using your imagination?

Maybe she was feeling extra spiteful and raided the filing cabinet or whatever so she could rub salt in the wound.
 
FunkyEntropy said:
I dunno, have you tried using your imagination?

Maybe she was feeling extra spiteful and raided the filing cabinet or whatever so she could rub salt in the wound.
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That's not very responsible as a political leader and could potentially screw a lot of people over. Hilda sounds like a child.

wetodet said:
Gee, I dunno, maybe it was them not doing that programming very well, as directly demonstrated in the same scene you're referencing by Number 3 hijacking their airship to keep fighting well after the point where it should have retreated while ranting endlessly about "My only purpose is to kill" with them completely unable to countermand this?
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That's because No. 3 was broken though from the fight against Zidane and the others, Zorn and Thorn clearly stated that it was "malfunctioning" and not because they couldn't properly program it to be "obedient or work well with the others". So omicron claims on it "having a mental breakdown" are inaccurate.
 
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FunkyEntropy said:
oh fer gawds -

CID CHEATED ON HER AND SHE WAS RIGHTFULLY PISSED OFF
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So? That doesn't give her the right to potentially sabotage an entire city or deny people a revolutionary invention because of a marital spat. Why couldn't she just go down to the bar or something? Or just take a regular airship?

Dekutulla said:
Why should anyone explain anything to you? This isn't your thread, the internet exists. Go watch a video essay about it.
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Pretty sure this thread allows questions and debates. Also, video essays can be pretentious and get a lot of facts wrong. IX doesn't even have that many video essays, essays also aren't reviews and aren't exactly critical.
 
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Mamaluigi7 said:
So? That doesn't give her the right to potentially sabotage an entire city or deny people a revolutionary invention because of a marital spat. Why couldn't she just go down to the bar or something? Or just take a regular airship?
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'wow this story is sure bad, people are behaving like people, the opposite of expected storytelling'- you, apparently.

really??
 
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Terrabrand said:
'wow this story is sure bad, people are behaving like people, the opposite of expected storytelling'- you, apparently.

really??
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There is a right way and a wrong way to do character flaws, dude. They have to be well written and make sense, sorry that I am just asking for a little realism, some logic and no inexplicable stuff in the actions and remarks of certain characters.
 
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