Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]

Thoughts:
Golbez should have been a party member, I agree.
I support King Yang and the Kingdom of the Swole
Did the moon just fucking go "my work here is done" and straight up leave?
 
I can see how FF got a reputation for giant space flea final bosses, even if it's not quite accurate. They're not actually without context, but when you're reaching the climax it does seem like you need to brace yourself for a twist or reveal that's convoluted and/or half baked.
 
I'm gonna head canon that Golbez was all for taking a nap for a bit, then heard it'd be for another couple millennia and went "Nah, let's just putz around the universe instead."

And FuSoYa was like "sure, staring at a planet doesn't change much until someone gets nukes anyways"

And away they went. Utterly destroying the ocean's delicate ecosystem by throwing the entire tidal cycle out of whack.
 
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Proposal: sequels get played only when they can stand in for an MMO. So, X-2 in place of XI, and XIII-2 and -3 in place of XVI, but not, say, IV-2, or XII-2.

Dissidia is right out.

Counter-proposal:

no sequels. FF 11 and FF 14 have complete narrative arcs and neatly slot in as the eleventh and fourteenth titles (although FF14 kicks the shit out of FF15 lmao)
 
Counter-proposal:

no sequels. FF 11 and FF 14 have complete narrative arcs and neatly slot in as the eleventh and fourteenth titles (although FF14 kicks the shit out of FF15 lmao)
15 is a spinoff of 13 with a 15 painted on its chest in magic marker because please God just ship it already and try to recoup as much costs as possible we can fix it in DLC just let it END so we can free up the dev team for projects that aren't black holes
 
I can see how FF got a reputation for giant space flea final bosses, even if it's not quite accurate. They're not actually without context, but when you're reaching the climax it does seem like you need to brace yourself for a twist or reveal that's convoluted and/or half baked.
I don't feel like that's really the case?

1 = Twist villain that could be considered a flea if you squint?
2 = main antagonist from the start
3 = space flea
4 = space flea
5 = main antagonist from the start
6 = side villain from the start who gets promoted
7 = main antagonist from almost the start
8 = main antagonist from the start (even if she's in another body at first)
9= space flea
10 = main antagonist from the start, neither Jecht (actual final boss), Yu Yevon (victory lap boss) or Sin (which they both act as the core of) are space fleas since you've been dealing with their shit all game
11 = ???
12 = main antagonist from the start
13 = nah m8
14 = each expansion in order: main baddy/main baddy/main baddy/main baddy/twist villain you only learn about in the second half
15 = haven't played but it should be pretty obvious that Ardyn's the main antagonist from pretty early on, yeah?
 
This whole conflict is presented as the good in humans' heart rising to meet its evil and overcoming it in a cosmic-scale escalation of Cecil's inner conflict at the start of the game, but it's not their evil, it's the Lunarians, who basically don't exist as characters, only as backstory elements, and…
Well, there's Golbez, FuSoYa, and Cecil, I guess, but the latter was raised human and the first two aren't really main party members.
The group have some post-battle banter (Edge is trying to take credit for this and call it an easy win, Rydia tells him she's surprised Zeromus didn't mind-control him with all the evil that's obviously in his heart),
You know what, I'm starting to come around on the Edge and Rydia dynamic. Not because I want them to get together but because I don't and the game seems to be giving me that in an amusing way.
Wait, why are FuSoYa and Golbez going to sleep, rather than working on waking up the other Lunarians? If you don't want to deal with introducing new characters at this point you could imply it would take a while or whatever, but what reason to the Lunarians have to remain asleep?

This is probably wrapped up in the thing where the writers apparently got their wires crossed with "the evil in men's hearts" versus "the evil in Lunarian hearts", but it kind of seems like if Golbez wants to atone for... whatever he's responsible for, he could at least try to convince FuSoYa that maybe the good Lunarians might want to contribute something to the rebuilding efforts of all the people who just got attacked by an evil Lunarian.

It's particularly weird because FuSoYa says that maybe humans have grown stronger than Lunarians not "Maybe humans will never be ready for us." So the implication should be that it'd be okay for them to wake-up and start visiting.
 
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I don't feel like that's really the case?

1 = Twist villain that could be considered a flea if you squint?
2 = main antagonist from the start
3 = space flea
4 = space flea
5 = main antagonist from the start
6 = side villain from the start who gets promoted
7 = main antagonist from almost the start
8 = main antagonist from the start (even if she's in another body at first)
9= space flea
10 = main antagonist from the start, neither Jecht (actual final boss), Yu Yevon (victory lap boss) or Sin (which they both act as the core of) are space fleas since you've been dealing with their shit all game
11 = ???
12 = main antagonist from the start
13 = nah m8
14 = each expansion in order: main baddy/main baddy/main baddy/main baddy/twist villain you only learn about in the second half
15 = haven't played but it should be pretty obvious that Ardyn's the main antagonist from pretty early on, yeah?
Just to note here, in the first 9 games (i.e. 3 generations of consoles worth of them) you're identifying a full third (or more) of them being space flea. The first three generations of the mainline games having like a 1/3rd chance of being space flea is plenty enough to get a reputation for it, yeah?
 
Just to note here, in the first 9 games (i.e. 3 generations of consoles worth of them) you're identifying a full third (or more) of them being space flea. The first three generations of the mainline games having like a 1/3rd chance of being space flea is plenty enough to get a reputation for it, yeah?
It's rather like Ganon displacing existing villains in Zelda games. It doesn't happen that often, but it has happened several times, and when it does happen, it tends to be in very memorable fashion.
 
you could dump the dead weight that is Kain
You're nuts. The releases that allow for party swapping also has the ultimate dungeons giving new gear to everyone. You know what Kain gets? Abel's Lance. You know what Abel's Lance has a chance of doing? Casting Tornado, the spell that sets your HP to single digits. And not just any Tornado. This Tornado WILL hit if it procs , whether it's a regular enemy or a boss! That's right, Kain has a chance and a pretty high one at that, every time he attacks, to put the enemy to single digit health. He's easily the most busted thing in Final Fantasy history with the Lance.
 
PALOM LITERALLY SAYS "I WISH I COULD COME WITH YOU" AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON THEY COULDN'T.

They're literally children, you monster.

The Red Moon leaves Earth's orbit and flies off into outer space, to seek out what I assume to be new horizons. It was foreshadowed by the prophecy and I expressed my disbelief then, but this is still kind of baffling.

IDK what's so confusing. FuSoYa has decided that Lunarians are ready to meet humans, presumably went on to awaken them, then they met Golbez and left.
 
You're nuts. The releases that allow for party swapping also has the ultimate dungeons giving new gear to everyone. You know what Kain gets? Abel's Lance. You know what Abel's Lance has a chance of doing? Casting Tornado, the spell that sets your HP to single digits. And not just any Tornado. This Tornado WILL hit if it procs , whether it's a regular enemy or a boss! That's right, Kain has a chance and a pretty high one at that, every time he attacks, to put the enemy to single digit health. He's easily the most busted thing in Final Fantasy history with the Lance.
Hah, that's fair, I couldn't remember what said equipments did but yeah something like that would absolutely bring Kain up to Brokenly Viable tier.
 
Although it does kind of raises the issue that EVERYONE IS HERE, THOUGH. THE GAME COULD JUST LET ME MAKE UP MY OWN PARTY. PALOM LITERALLY SAYS "I WISH I COULD COME WITH YOU" AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON THEY COULDN'T.

Well, no, I guess they're all lv 20 or something ridiculous. And I guess it would have been impossible for the SNES at the time to handle the changing dialogue lines according to who is actually in the group. Somebody please tell me they change this in the 3D versions.
People already mentioned that the GBA does this, but the 3D version doesn't. Potentially because it already has the whole system where you get remnants of a characters essence after their """"heroic death"""" that you can use to carry their abilities with you by teaching newcomers their skills.
So there you could have just had Kain Kick things and Edge buff everyone using Sing for a while already. I think having these two bond over their uselessness enough that they could spam that Twincast thing together was also a possibility.
 
Split for length again...

So, not really a spoiler but as a heads up the end sequence (like, just the credits after the final boss) for FFVI is like 20+ minutes. You may just want to upload it to Youtube rather than try and screenshot the whole thing. :V

The exchange "Come on, Rosa!" "Please, just call me Rosa." makes me think someone fucked up in the translation.

Probably something to do with honoriffics?
 
I mean that'd be the usual assumption, but it is absolutely a fuck up in translation if you have a character say 'please, just call me exactly what you just called me lol fuck you' unless there's like. Evidence they're meant to be sarcastic or something? It's goofy.

Sure, that's exactly what I was saying? Cid was probably using -sama with her or some shit and the translation fuckup was not localizing the dialogue enough to account for it.
 
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That's debatable. There is a lot of coot stuff to steal in v and vi, steal works a bit better in v, MUCH better in vi, and in vii, most of the good stuff is on common enemies, so while steal is a bit inaccurate, the foes are not that big of a threat.

Not so much in most FFs, just not in FFIV.

In FFV you can start stealing since almost the beginning, and IIRC you can at the very least steal everything you might otherwise get in a nearby town, or somewhat in the same level range, plus bonus stronk goodies.

FFV Steal has been fairly reliable for me; has something like a base 40% success rate (which doubles with a specific accessory), you can eventually get Mug so it isn't as much of a wasted turn, and as Connelly mentions there's several instances where you can steal better equipment than you already have (not to mention it's the only way to get dupes of other equipment, and one entire armor set is steal-exclusive).

Reached the end of the first major segment of the game in FFV and so far there's been nothing worth stealing. I've still been stealing though, since the rate is high enough it's enjoyable, and having one character stealing whilst the others pile on damage is no great loss.

FFVI...I've never played :p

FFVIII...is complicated. For a casual player it's not really useful, steal mostly hits the enemies drop pool, so it can largely just get you the same items you were going to get anyway, but faster. There's some jank with the interaction this game has with levels, stealing, and the equipment system you can get up to, but you kind of have to know a bunch of deeply obscure information to make that exploitable. If you're an ultra-expert in the games overcomplicated mechanics you can minmax and become ridiculous, but you have to have encyclopaedic knowledge to really do that.

Next up: Final Fantasy V.

Gods I'm going to have to hurry up on my own playthrough so I can finish before you can catch up, so I can properly appreciate your comments.

The Lead Character is a thief so they kinda had to make Steal worthwhile in IX.

I'm biased in favor of steal because of chrono trigger, where it was the best thing.

Gods I'm going to have to replay FF9 again aren't I? Stealing was so fucking fun in that game.
 
-sees notifications-
-"Final Fantasy IV, Epilogue posted"-

OH COME ON. I GOT 40 PAGES TO CATCH UP ON NOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T NOTICE IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS SINCE I LAST READ THIS THREAD.

Yes yes I know that's all on me but...

...man I was hoping to see the end of the IV playthrough as soon as it came out.

Bah. Screw it! Back to lurking this thread and just pressing the reaction buttons unless there's something I really wanna say so that I will be caught up by the time you do VI because, damn it, I refuse to be behind whenever you play VI!
 
We zoom out into a pretty view of the whole solar system and the planets orbiting around it, including the Earth and its two moons, as the prophecy plays out again, now with the added context of the plot, as well as adding a new component to it:




I still don't get the "dragon" thing; people in the thread have told me it has to do with the region of the world the Lunar Whale is in but I don't see it.

Also… "One born of a dragon" is the Lunar Whale - it's not Cecil, Cecil doesn't have anything to do with dragons. So "bearing darkness and light" can only clumsily refer to Cecil being a Paladin with a Dark Knight past; the more natural read would be instead that it is the whale bearing (one character embodying) darkness and (one character embodying) light, so…

Yeah I'm Golbezpilled at this point. I am 100% on the conspiracy theory that Golbez not becoming a playable character was a late-game decision that left a bunch of artifacts in the writing.

…also, wait, what. The moon will set forth on a voyage?

Why???

What is the motive for this? Did the Lunarians decide cohabitation with humanity was impossible after all? Isn't that counter to everything we've been seeing so far? Also aren't they all asleep? Did FuSoYa decide to take the moonship and search for another planet? Isn't that in contradiction with what he just told us? If this is a "Lunarians decide that coexistence with humans will be too dangerous for them and leave them in peace it would probably make more sense in light of the extra content from the 3D versions about how Kluya brought magic to humans and accidentally caused all kinds of bad things to happen as a result, but... that seems to just fly in the face of the rest of the ending in which the children of Lunarians and humans saved both worlds.

This is so confusing.

Well, anyway.

A pause before the end.

So, I did some internet wiki sleuthing, and assuming no misinformation, I found some interesting stuff:

According to the FF wiki, Golbez is a mistranslation of either Golubaeser or Golubac Fly, a type of fly that features in a South Slavic myth.
In it, the fly is born out of the corpse of an Ala, or Azdaja, a type of malevolent demon or dragon.
This would make Golbez the one born of a dragon, and is even more interesting if you follow the current FFXIV plot...

(Side note, my quick math shows that on average you need 12-13 fights to get the flan drop, assuming 5 flans per fight, but I might have miscalculated)
 
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Regarding the epilogue, I took a moment to check some longplays of the SNES version, and it has a screen in between between the two "Rosa" screens where Cid says, "...No, no, I mean, your Majesty!". So I went to check a Pixel Remaster longplay, and the same screen says, "Er, uh... I mean, Your...Majesty?"

But let's face it, that's not good enough for us, we want to know about the translation. I found a JP-version longplay, but why did I think I could translate that? I found this detailed localization walkthrough that's been in progress since 2013, but it's not done yet so it's useless for now. Finally I found some kind of fansite that uses frames (!) and has the supposed script and a translation, but the script doesn't appear to be completely accurate to what I saw on the screen. Regardless, here it is:

シドまったく! イチャつくのは、これからイヤというほど出来るわい! ささ、ローザ!
いやいや、お妃様じゃったか!
You have plenty of time later to spend together, Rosa!
Or should I say Queen!
ローザいいわよ ローザで‥‥Rosa is fine.
シドそうか!? ではローザ! 花嫁たる者、化粧が肝心じゃ! メイドに用意させておる! さ! 急がんか!Okay, Rosa! The bride needs make-up! The maids are waiting! Hurry up!

I've attempted a few other approaches to translating the "or should I say" line, and the main difference is that I can't tell if it's supposed to say Queen, Consort, Concubine, or Princess.

EDIT: Caffeine is a hell of a drug.
 
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Reached the end of the first major segment of the game in FFV and so far there's been nothing worth stealing. I've still been stealing though, since the rate is high enough it's enjoyable, and having one character stealing whilst the others pile on damage is no great loss.
Oh yeah, you're around the point where stealing starts to get better goodies especially from some bosses. In particular, one recurring boss throughout part 2 has the Genji Armor set.
Gods I'm going to have to hurry up on my own playthrough so I can finish before you can catch up, so I can properly appreciate your comments.
I feel your pain; I intended to finish replaying FFV a while ago but got distracted so now Im barely any farther than you apparently are. I'll have to hoof it if I want to keep ahead for that and FFVI.
 
Omi, once you start playing FF5 I highly recommend grinding in the... Third dungeon technically after you beat the boss.

A certain monster there drops one of the best consumables in any Final Fantasy game, with a pretty high drop rate too.
 
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Omi, once you start playing FF5
I personally highly recommend not giving gameplay advice to someone explicitly doing their best to remain blind beyond whatever they already osmosed. Like. Spoilers can be hard to avoid but literally giving Very Specific Gameplay Tips before even the first part is up seems silly, to say the least.
 
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