Well, I mean, it's her Limit Break. Limit Breaks aren't dependent on Para-Magic.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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Okay so I know, realistically, that the writers probably approached the space suit scene from the emotional moment of Squall reaching back minutes in time to give Rinoa the will to continue onward and backfilled the story justification from there, but I'm trying to think of a way that would make the scene make more sense and I think I have an idea?
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So I can't say how accurate an idea that is myself, but the idea of it being less "not enough air" and more "you can vent oxygen from your suit out to squeeze a few extra minutes out of the air supply you have" would at least serve as an explanation.
It would also explain why it doesn't activate automatically as well, if it's less turning a second tank on and more venting the suit in a way the engineers might not have considered as standard operating procedure, which the astronauts figured out themselves over time. And Squall, more than being purely motivational, is able to relay how to activate that mode to Rinoa through the timestream.
The dialogue even kind of makes sense as an explanation the crew is giving to a layperson - "yeah the suit has twenty minutes of air, and you can squeeze an extra five minutes out of there after that" is a reasonable enough way to convey that idea if you don't want to go over the exact mechanics. And even on the off chance that idea is what the writers had in mind, that might be a bit much to convey through FFVIII dialogue boxes, so random extra air tank it is.
... but of course I'm probably thinking about that scene far more than the authors ever did, but it was bugging me real bad.
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Venting a gas into space would simply throw Rinoa even further away at a (slightly) higher velocity thanks to Newtonian physics, though. Not something a person would want to do blind.
I'll admit that plot armor would simply dictate she be propelled in the right direction (i.e., towards Squall) without her even being aware of it.
I'll admit that plot armor would simply dictate she be propelled in the right direction (i.e., towards Squall) without her even being aware of it.
It'd probably be designed to vent in opposite directions, to prevent exactly this problem.
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I guess you wouldn't just need backup oxygen for when you've run out of air, but for when your oxygen tank has broken or malfunctioned. In which case, you would want a secondary tank that isn't just always connected to your air supply. Whatever malfunction is happening with your main tank might also mess up an automatic activation system for your backup tank as well, so you'd want manual activation.
Of course what you probably actually want is both manual and automatic activation. Even if there's some engineering problem in the way of that, astronauts and spacesuits are expensive enough to replace that you probably want to spend however much money it'd take to develop a solution to it. Still, the backup air supply feels a bit more reasonable to me now.
Of course what you probably actually want is both manual and automatic activation. Even if there's some engineering problem in the way of that, astronauts and spacesuits are expensive enough to replace that you probably want to spend however much money it'd take to develop a solution to it. Still, the backup air supply feels a bit more reasonable to me now.
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It is indeed "tadaima". I didn't make note of it, because it's a throwaway trivial joke that Quistis made, pretending that she's coming home from a regular day at work. It's not necessarily significant, and in this context it's like saying a casual "oh hi".
Squall does not follow up with "okaeri", because he has no sense of humour.
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It's also a bit like walking in the door and going "Honey, I'm home" in a joking tone of voice.
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Yeah. I suppose "I'm back" would carry the same idea, including the "it's just a small joke, don't think too hard about it" implication.
The orphanage kids were desperate not to let Matron Edea know about their illicit firecrackers, because they never know when a giant spear of ice will slam into their midst and destroy the fireworks.
When Sorceress Edea impaled Squall on that ice spike, Rinoa was horrified, but Irvine was largely unsurprised: "Yeah, Matron used to do that sort of thing to naughty kids all the time. She's scary when mad."
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Really, the reason Irvine choked so bad when taking the shot wasn't because this terrifying sorceress was possessing the body of his old Matron, but because by all accounts she didn't even seem all that posessed to him.
I'm finally caught up with the thread again! What a ride that was.
Minor detail: I like how the Estharians use the term "Hyne's Descendant" to refer to Rinoa. We know it's a respectful way to address a sorceress, but I'm unsure if it popped up before this. This could indicate that they don't particularly dislike Rinoa but see sealing her as a necessary evil.
edit: Or perhaps that they're trying their best to be formal and respectful to avoid pissing off two very powerful people.
Minor detail: I like how the Estharians use the term "Hyne's Descendant" to refer to Rinoa. We know it's a respectful way to address a sorceress, but I'm unsure if it popped up before this. This could indicate that they don't particularly dislike Rinoa but see sealing her as a necessary evil.
edit: Or perhaps that they're trying their best to be formal and respectful to avoid pissing off two very powerful people.
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It is admittedly a very good theme.
I must truly apologize to all my Ragnarok fans, but while the Ragnarok is cool... It can never be the coolest in my eyes. I was 11 years old when The Treasure Planet came out, and the first Final Fantasy game I actually got past Disc 1 of is IX. To me, a real airship is a sailship that flies (dirigible balloon optional).
Here's a fun fact to you: Up to 1956, wine was provided to students in French schools. The 1956 law forbid providing wine to children on school grounds...
...up to the age of 14. High school age children retained the right to drink wine in school up to 1981.
I just.
It would be one thing if Edea just stayed on the backbench for the whole time after releasing her from Ultimecia's grasp. But the game puts her in our party. She goes with us through the Great Salt Lake! She fights Abaddon with us! She's part of the first Lunatic Pandora raid! How would she not notice that her powers are gone.
That's fairly trivial. Time travel is involved in the story, Adel exists in a prison where she is conscious yet does not age, it's pretty easy to conclude the sorceresses have potential access to ways of escaping the effects of age or enduring beyond death.
It's kind of funny that technically this hasn't been revealed yet but it's so obvious that like, how can we pretend that it's not the case? Ward showing up just in case we didn't get the memo is really the icing on the cake.
It's... Hrm.
The textual answer appears to be, "because Dr Odine is a whimsical mad scientist with a high degree of authority, and he decided to just let Squall and the others see Ellone, so everyone just went along with it." Given Squall's behavior in the last few updates, it seems likely that he would have escalated to physical violence if he felt he wasn't getting what he wanted, but it would have been really easy to misdirect him considering he knew nothing about Ellone's location, the Lunar Gate, Luna Base, or anything like that.
It's just a random spur of the moment Odine decided on.
That's something I'd been thinking about. While the game has held surprisingly well in terms of 'rushed development towards the end,' I think a lot of this weirdness in the script, things that aren't explained or brought up properly, characters making strange logical leaps, is likely at least partially caused by this end-of-development crush.
The line is: "Out of fuel... Low on oxygen... What now? Die in space? I'm so helpless... I can't even save Rinoa? Come on, think!"
Oh, yeah, I totally forgot to mention this, but yeah, I did make the connection between those two scenes.
You know what, sure, I'll integrate this into my headcanon.
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I suppose that's fine, Treasure Planet is really cool and FFIX is the best in the series because it's almost always in the top three Final Fantasy for any particular facet of it you care to examine (it's the most consistently good), so I can see how, adding the nostalgia element, they would win out for you.
I, on the other hand, first saw a spaceship being awesome in the finale of "Nadia of the Blue Water", so to me, while flying sail-ships are cool, a proper spaceship with a sleek, aggressive design like the Ragnarock will always win out in coolness terms.
It is a matter of taste in the end, although it does make me wonder how many of the people here who find the Ragnarock to be cooler do so because of their own formative experiences (and thus their nostalgia) being weighed towards spaceships versus airships.
I feel like the Lunar Cry has the same problem as the World of Ruin: we've got a really cool apocalyptic cutscene, but the actual tangible effects on the world are (presumably, judging by what's revealed so far) the change in random encounters and presumably rearrangement of some towns' interior. Which is not nothing and could convey the hopeless atmosphere, but just doesn't live up to the imagery.
FFVII made the right choice by placing the apocalypse at the end so it could simply wipe out all humanity, unconstrained by gameplay considerations and technical limitations.
Odine: At last! The only people around who don't know you don't need cryosleep to go to the moon!
FFVII made the right choice by placing the apocalypse at the end so it could simply wipe out all humanity, unconstrained by gameplay considerations and technical limitations.
Odine: At last! The only people around who don't know you don't need cryosleep to go to the moon!
It would be one thing if the tone was just "Esthar is ruled by wacky, whimsical goofballs (which they can afford because of their supreme power and immense technological superiority, don't think about it too hard)", but since Odine allowing three randos he doesn't know from Adam into Esthar's most secret, highest-security prison directly resulted in Adel being released, it's a little hard to just shrug it off as just quirky.
And yeah, I guess the Lunatic Pandora summoning a Lunar Cry might have resulted in Adel's prison being dragged down to Earth whether Ultinoa undid the seal or not, but letting Rinoa onto the station would have ended up with Adel released whether or not a Lunar Cry happened, anyway.
At this point I'm kind of wondering whether Odine was actually secretly an Adel loyalist and had some idea this was going to happen.
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My assumption was that the reason why cryosleep was necessary was because it somehow let people survive the G-forces that result from being shot out of a cannon into space.
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European countries are something else.
... We were given beer in Danish kindergarten for Christmas in the 90s. I'm pretty sure people have since stopped doing it, but still, little wonder Danish youths are the hardest drinking in Europe.
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Lunar Base Staff: oh godammit some chucklefucks let Odine freeze them, someone break out the defrosters.
Also to people wondering how Ultinoa could survive several generations into the future, it's obvious - Odine freezes her at some point and forgets to undo that later. She just waked up cranky after a thousand year power nap and decides to break time a little bit, you know, as you do.
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Squall saving Rinoa: closed loop or Back to the Future rules?
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This is the single Frenchest thing I've ever heard.
I mean. He did have some alone time with an Ultimecia-possessed Rinoa. And he would find an evil Sorceress's (lack of) moral scruples much more freeing for his research than Laguna's policies. It's a real possibility if Ultinoa could manage enough coherence to talk or even make vague prophecies.
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I mean it's entirely possible that given Odine's example sorceresses were Adel and Ultimecia posessed Edea, he just assumed all sorceresses were Like That.
Given that, I can imagine he took one look at Ultinoa and thought to himself, hell yeah my career prospects in mad science are looking up!
Given that, I can imagine he took one look at Ultinoa and thought to himself, hell yeah my career prospects in mad science are looking up!
Perfect relationship dynamic, no notes.
it's très artistique, bro. There's is a level of attention paid to mise-en-scène (or just plain showing off) that I honestly kind of think peaks in this game. Honestly, I love it. From pretentious wineglass shots to disorienting outer-space angles, I am here for it. We've come a long way from 8-bit sprites spinning in a circle and nodding to convey complex emotional states. (One of the very nice things about this LP series is that as a reader, it does a great job removing oneself from the "old fan" headspace where you're locked into old navel-gazing arguments and assumptions and unable to see the forest for the trees, and showing "oh right, this is why these games were and still are a Big Fucking Deal".)
I wonder if it's an intentional tip of the stylistic hat? Nomura once stated in an interview that working with Amano was one of the reasons he applied to work at SE. Either way, Ultimecia is probably my favorite of the Nomura-era FF villain designs, for reasons beyond "absolute cleavage down past her navel", if you can believe it.
I know Endwalker is the FF8 expac, but I cannot believe it took me this long to realize exactly how much of everything related to Dynamis / UT in XIV seems to be drawn specifically from these cutscenes. Literal vibes based storytelling indeed.
I just gotta point out that this usage of Matron as a proper noun with no "the" before it is making my teeth itch. Maybe it's how it's written in Japanese, but my brain is screaming at me that it should be "The Matron". You could argue that it's being used as a familial term like "Mother"...but in that case it would still read better as "Matron Edea". Just Matron feels like you're addressing someone solely as "President" or "Teacher". Not necessarily wrong, but still grammatically weird.
Well, once my epic fanfiction saga where Quistis happens to meet a cool & mysterious, totally-not-self-insert new SeeD member that sweeps her off her feet in a whirlwind romance in between saving the world hits Ao3, we won't be having that problem for much longer...
Who did it better?
Related to romance and interpersonal relationships...We're coming off of FF7's Tifa/Cloud/Aerith reationship, which I would call successfully written. We previously had Cecil / Rosa in FF4, and Locke/Celes in FF6 which I would class as "good enough". We're in it knee-deep with Squal/Rinoa, which I would call *very* successfully written. Without spoiling too much, some upcoming entries have heavy focus on romance, which I would also consider well done. I'd never really stopped to consider FF as a "romantic" series (in the modern sense of the word), but it's really shaping up to be a conerstone element of "Golden Age Final Fantasy" imo.
Anyways, I formally rescind any of my previous usage describing FF8 as mid 90's to early 2000's anime (derogatory), and replace it with mid 90's to early 2000's anime (peak).
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That's a very interesting point, yeah. Notably, I remember that there was some fan backlash to (the otherwise widely acclaimed) FFX for being "girly" or centering a romantic arc, which... *gestures broadly at Squall and Rinoa's Everything*
This is clearly something these games have been wanting to do since IV and have (with a brief break in V) been increasingly giving more narrative space and resources to. And I distinctly recall IX also features a core romance!
This is clearly something these games have been wanting to do since IV and have (with a brief break in V) been increasingly giving more narrative space and resources to. And I distinctly recall IX also features a core romance!
I wasn't going to directly bring this up, but since you did first... I feel like a big part of "which FF do you like better" between 7 thru 10 hinges a lot on "which quirky brunette romantic female lead do you vibe with the most?"
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"Which magitech aesthetic do you vibe with the most" being the secondmost concern.
I always knew you were a Man of Taste and Culture, Omi.
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It's a thing the English translation settled on.
The Japanese term is "Mama-sensei". Every time the English text says "Matron" as a proper noun, it's "Mama-sensei" in the Japanese text. "Mama-sensei" in itself is just a nickname the orphanage children gave to Edea, so there's no further context to the term; it is as it sounds like.
It's one of the several English translations of FFVIII's terms that I just accept as How It Was Officially Translated. Other examples are 魔女 ("majo"), usually translated as "witch" but here translated as "sorceress", and 月の涙 ("tsuki no namida"), which would have been "tears of the moon" but here translated as "Lunar Cry".
Btw, there was a video game, and it is in on Steam.
View: https://store.steampowered.com/app/331970/Disneys_Treasure_Planet_Battle_of_Procyon/
Just if you wanna do another LP with childhood memories flavor.