Between Rufus being the cool repentant antihero playing the villains for chumps, and the Turk's all being 30+ years old but looking like 19 year old supermodels doing charming kooky pratfalls, I like to imagine AC is some sort of in-universe movie portraying real events that was heavily bankrolled by Rufus as a PR fluff piece.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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I'd like to think this is the third or fourth time over the last two years that Sephiroth has self resurrected, so the shock and awe is fading. Now it's just that Spongebob meme:
How Many Times Do We Have to Teach You This Lesson, Old Man?
Glad to see Final Fantasy staying true to its Dungeons & Dragons roots.
Egleris
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I mean, if you are following the thread along, you'll learn all you need to know from just reading about the game as Omicron plays it, and I'd rather not spoil that. Also, my opinion is not necessarily mainstream - in fact I seem to often have very unpopular opinions. So, take my heartfelt belief on villain superiority with whatever size of salt you feel necessary.
If you still want to know, the spoiler thread already contains both my answer and the reasoning behind that judgment, so you can just backtrack a few pages there to check it out.
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I must admit - because I would be a liar if I didn't - that for all the criticisms leveled at FFVIIAC
for all the very fair, valid, and well-earned criticisms of this movie
I must admit that they all fade away for a few seconds as the Turks theme plays and we hear the lines "if nothing else it's...flashy." and "Looks like today we're clocking out early."
...and if this film had any guts at all those would be Reno and Rude's last lines because that would be the peak of all peaks for them to go out on.
Zap Rowsdower
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Nonsense, outside of the movie he was dead. No, it was bankrolled by Reno, Rude, and Elena, who with Reeve having left to work with Avalanche are the heirs to the Shin-Ra fortune as the highest ranked employees still on the bankroll software.
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Probably the main reason FF7: Air Conditioner doesn't feel right as a sequel. For a game that was all about subverting conventions and expectations, if to varying degrees of success, AC plays way too much straight (Kadaj's characterisation being maybe the one exception) and does what's most obvious. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, but doesn't fit in at all with the storytelling style FF7 previously established.
Just makes it having the same writers and director even weirder
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look I'm drunk and while I've got this thread on my watched list, it kinda fell into my 'read later' mental list two games ago. Would you mind giving me a link to the posts in question? I'm curious, but not enough to actually hunt those down.
That aside, your mentioning of the fact that your opinion on this matter is not waht you consider to be mainstream is appreciated, and I feel it speaks well of you that you stated such. Thank you for doing so.
Zap Rowsdower
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Just because a writer can land on gold one time in one particular set of circumstances doesn't mean everything they churn out will be gold, particularly when there's a mandate to cash in as much as possible. Hell, the whole plot of Remake was basically about the tension between the demands that everything be the same for the sake of fanservice dollars and the writers' desire to tell a new story, and you don't get a plot about that tension if the writers haven't been feeling pulled between those two for quite a while.
Guile
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No, wait, we can still make this work.Omicron said:But then! I saw this! And I thought to myself, of course! The fact that Tifa and Cloud both wear a red ribbon tied around their arms represents the East Asian red thread of fate which mythically connects those who are bound to meet and fall in love! It's a subtle, implicit indication of their status as a couple!
Look at Yuffie's arm.
See, this is clearly denoting that Yuffie was the runner up in the Cloud Bowl and her being also tied with the Red String of Fate just means that Yuffie is also–
Oh, nevermind.
I said nevermind!
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I get that, it's more 'how do you miss the point of your own story?' that I was trying to say. And yeah, pressures to please the fans will do that.
Of course, writers missing the appeal of their own stories is sadly not unheard of, the Star Wars Special Editions being the obvious example
Ahahaha
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Good one, Omi
Is it just me, or does Cid look a lot younger here?
Cid is lacking his trademark cigarette, probably for reasons of child-friendly ratings - I get why this happens, but for some characters it really ruins the vibe.
Best Ninja Girl just doin' Ninja Things
Also, Tifa did get her dope church fight earlier in the movie at least. Might as well give everyone else their chance to shine. ...Well, a chance to shine, some of them clearly didn't make much of that chance.
I forgive Rufus for literally everything, he is now the best character in all of Final Fantasy VII, No Notes.Rufus Shinra. A character who definitely died in the last movie, whose survival and inexplicable continued leadership of Shinra is an absolute ass-pull/retcon that makes a mockery of the plot of the original game, but who at least, at the very least, was thoroughly crippled by the Diamond Weapon's attack. Who has spent all movie doing a Hannibal/Will Graham routine with Kadaj, just sitting in his wheelchair being pushed around by the movie's main antagonist, exchanging philosophical quandaries and barbs and arguing about humanity and history. From whom Kadaj has been trying to extract the hidden location of Jenova's head using various forms of threat and coercion while clearly enjoying their conversation and feeling in total control of the situation. This Rufus.
Stands up from his wheelchair, dramatically tossing his cloak away, revealing that he is both physically almost completely fine and that he has been holding the container with Jenova's head in it the entire fucking time.
The whole movie.
It was right there.
Just under his cloak.
"A good son would have known."
This is the funniest beat of all time, I knew it was coming and I still literally laughed out loud when it happened. Absolute peak.
As someone who's just finished up watching someone play through the entire DMC series, boy do I understand that feeling.
Honestly having not seen the movie in like 20 years, when you mentioned the red ribbon in Part 1 I just figured that's exactly what it was.
But nope, apparently we don't get that level of subtle symbolism, we are LONE WOLF SHOW WOLF tier in this movie.
Eh, those random kids from the slums will take care of it, I'm sure.
Psh, Galuf got nothing on AC Aerith. He did, what, a single "GATHER YOUR POWER WARRIORS OF LIGHT" scene towards the end of the game?
Yuffie confirming, once again, that she is Best Girl.
You tell 'em, girl.
...Yeah. Yeah, sounds like post-FF7 Sephiroth in a nutshell.
I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THE WING
...yeah. Yeah, it is pretty sick.
...No one's ever really gone...
If 0-2 had Sephiroth malding so hard for five years straight, I can only imagine what he's like at this point.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szc5Y4okQXg
It truly is one hell of a baffling move coming from the same people who wrote FFVII in the first place, to go from "brutal death that cuts her life short and we never see her again beyond a brief ending flash", to "lmao lifestream surfin 4 life basically just planet god now bai". I wonder how much that and Sephiroth are actually the writer's intentions... and how much is the overhead corporate or whatever going "Bring back familiar faces need MONEY".
Damn, we really lost out on "perfectly synced to the music" fight scene? That's one of my favorite kinds of cool fight scenes.
Omi, do you need a Snickers? You sound like you need a Snickers.
On one hand, backsliding is a totally realistic thing to have happen to people, even after lifeshattering revelations and new stones unturned.
On the other hand, it basically always feels like absolute goddamn garbage to happen to a character from a once completed piece of media. Whether that be Cloud going Depresso mode, or the Star Wars sequels going "Lmao Han forever smuggler man, haha how about Island Hobo Luke Skywalker", it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I mean I'll give the Turks - if you did all the sidequesting in FFVII (which tends to be the default assumption for sequels), then you had the option to let them live, and I could probably see them joining back up with new reformed Shinra under Reeve.
You know. Reeve. The last executive left after FFVII. Because Rufus, like the rest, was fuckin' DEAD.
But hey, NOONE'SEVERREALLYGONE
What, not even suggesting Omi has to play every single game that has even a hint of FFVII in it? Where's my full Kingdom Hearts series playthrough, and Dissidia, and Theatrhythm?
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Xenogears was name dropped by Could in FF7, and that game has a poster on a wall that has Tifa on it. It's the natural next step.
It also does a lot of really really hilarious things plot wise, considering some of the points/issues raised in this lets play. Really funny shit.
21stCentury
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the Cerberus is absolutely hilarious, because you might wonder "how would a triple-barrel revolver work"?
THREE CYLINDERS, GAMER. THREE HAMMERS, THREE EJECTOR RODS, ONE TRIGGER, VINCENT SPENDS 98% OF HIS TIME IN COMBAT RELOADING AND HE WILL NOT CHANGE FOR ANYTHING
This is still the best gun i've seen in my life.
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Well hell, now I know where the inspiration for that highway fight scene in Red Vs Blue came from.
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Yep.
I saw the original version, not the complete, I can confirm.
I also think it's safe to say this movie helped solidify my notion of what cool is, as well.
As if me playing around with Sephiroth's last line in the movie didn't make that obvious.
But the question am I one of those writers who overuses lone wolves?
I saw the original version, not the complete, I can confirm.
I also think it's safe to say this movie helped solidify my notion of what cool is, as well.
As if me playing around with Sephiroth's last line in the movie didn't make that obvious.
But the question am I one of those writers who overuses lone wolves?
Rufus become top tier with a single line.
And am sure people are wondering... Yes Vincent has a phone by Dirge of Cerberus 10 out of 10 story telling
And am sure people are wondering... Yes Vincent has a phone by Dirge of Cerberus 10 out of 10 story telling
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The part of Vincent will be played by Revolver Ocelot.
"I never knew reloading could be such a thrill!"
somewhatLazy
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Ridiculous. The Fifth Act can never compare to the actual best fic in the Final Fantasy VII fandom...
Sephiroth goes to McDonald's.
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Which I can thankfully confirm is nothing like Dipper Goes To Taco Bell
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Put your hand in front of your mouth and say it with me: "Peace has cost you your strength! Victory has defeated you!"
Someday I'd like to find a comparison between Gundam CQB and Hollywood weightless bullshit, since Gundam fights can be literally zero-g, and not a lot of sci-fi franchises have zero-g fights with melee weapons. Gundam, at least, sometimes has the sense to zoom out, and has the advantage of being able to show glowy thrusters moving the characters around instead of invisible wind magic. I bet modern CGI could do something interesting with wind magic weightless bullshit fights in a dust cloud with vortexes and shit, here's hoping the live action Avatar doesn't suck.
I swear I composed the above before I read this. Good to know, btw, I keep wondering if I should try SEED.
I liked this rant better when it was about The Empire Strikes Back
Yeah, same.
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I started to read this, asked myself, was this written after 2020? It feels like plaguefic. And then I see, May of 2020. The absolute perfect time. This author was craving a trip to the golden arches and had to get it out in this format. Absolutely incredible.
Tifa: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power."