Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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Well, this is Hojo; his record for actually knowing what he's doing isn't the best.
I can kind of see what his reasoning is; "shoot Mako energy at Sephiroth to make him stronger". It's just that there's no reason to assume that doing so in the form of a blast from a giant gun will do the trick. But it's the epitome of Hojo's "just throw the magic stuff I don't understand at the problem and see what happens" method of experimentation.
It does kind of fit thematically; Cait Sith did show up with the Manipulate Materia after all.
somewhatLazy
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In earlier drafts of the plot and setting, Reeve was an Inspire, a person with the innate magical power to bring objects to life. The terminology was scrapped in the final draft, quite possibly because someone had the good sense to realize that would make Aerith's special magical powers way less special, but as you can quite clearly see, they didn't really bother scrapping the plot point.
Well… I guess sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic? XD
Well… I guess sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic? XD
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To be more specific than the preceding posts, it's an English-to-Japanese loan "word" used as shorthand to signify "double" because, yeah, double-U. You can also see it used that way in other Japanese media (Kamen Rider, for example).
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Honestly, they could have kept that plot element and just made it a unique materia he owns instead of an inherent ability.
somewhatLazy
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Or even done any amount of greater-than-zero foreshadowing about Shinra having any sort of direct neural interface for robots.
Kemayo
A Certain Cheerful Tone Of Voice
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The problem here is that I never even thought to pronounce "W-Summon" as "double-u summon" -- it is forever in my mind as "wuh-summon".
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Since Omi brought up the Tower of Kefka again with the jump into Midgar, I'm only now realising they could've called it Palazzo's Palazzo
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
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It's why I think Cait-Sith would work better if he were, in fact, an actual fae spirit (or some other creature or even perhaps a program believing he is one) that made some kind of deal with Reeve but still retains enough mischievousness to troll people .
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WE'RE JUMPING INTO MIDGAR
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[Omi will regret this decision]
[...Maybe, maybe not.]
Truly the smartest plan of operations with a giant delicate piece of flying machinery, ram it repeatedly into a superweapon at high speeds.
Omnislash is pretty dope honestly, always liked how Cloud just flash steps his way into different hit positions.
You know, I'm starting to think FFVII isn't all that hard to break open after all.
Though honestly that's the problem of any RPG with customization options, once players can get creative they can start to trivialize the game.
Surely yes~
Giving me some "Yoshikage Kira's dad from Jojo Part 4" vibes, ngl, Hojo would totally find out his son is actually a serial killer and react by helping him cover it up while also actively trying to murder anyone else who knows.
Ahahaha
Suffice to say after all your jokes of Reeve being the only sane man in Shinra and really the only one you're even remotely sympathetic to, we've all been waiting for this reveal.
Someone else mentioned it already, but yeah apparently that's just straight up Reeve's magical esper ability or something, remote animated dolls. Crazy shit to never explain but here we are.
Fun fact, at some point in FFVII's development they planned to kill off all the party members you didn't bring in this sequence, having them die parachuting in while only the main party made it.
Which means Foamy, in some alternate timeline, totally just stuck you with Barret and Vincent for the rest of the game AND killed off your waifu! Whoops!
Fun fact, if you didn't do the Wutai side quest? Then the option to let the Turks go isn't there. So presumably, you all bonded just enough from that little side adventure to even make Cloud consider the idea (and the Turks think of accepting it).
Zap Rowsdower
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An explanation for Reeve putting on a silly accent that I heard - no idea if its creator's intent or just somebody's headcanon - is that the rustic Kansai/translated-as-Scottish accent is actually his native acccent, and that he puts on a "neutral" professional Tokyo Japanese /Newscaster English accent for his business executive thing, but doesnt bother with that affectation when he's in character as a not-business-executive critter.
Granted, the ridiculous scottish brogue makes this less plausible in English than his presumably less cartoonish Osaka accent in Japanese, but still.
Granted, the ridiculous scottish brogue makes this less plausible in English than his presumably less cartoonish Osaka accent in Japanese, but still.
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Oh boy, do I have some fun facts for you, Omi.
Did you know that in the initial draft of this scene, everyone except for the other two character chosen for your party were supposed to fucking die, cut down by anti-aircraft fire? This was rightfully changed for being deranged, and we got Aerith dying as a compromise. Reeve was also supposed to have a scene where he would go into the reactor himself to try and shut it down, but no idea if that was going to be successful or just a suicide mission.
Even with the shaky execution, I really like the twist. There's a reason why FF7 Remake inserts several new scenes of Reeve going "Hmmm. Not a fan of this Big Evil that Shinra is doing." Including a scene with Cait Sith's theme playing very softly in the background, Reeve fucking around with VR equipment, and a scene of Cait Sith showing up during the plate drop to try and do *something*, and is visibly distraught when he's too late. And this ties into the second fun fact. In the original planning for the game, Reeve was meant to secretly be something called an Inspire, someone with the magical ability to bring inanimate objects to life. It's not stated if this is still the case; while it's not directly alluded to in anything else, nothing else about Cait seems really to gel with him being technological creation. It's probably not canon anymore...but stuff like Dirge has Cait acting like less like a piloted drone, and more like an autonomous familiar of sorts.
Since FF7 seems to realise the big weakness with this whole character arc is exactly that sort of nebulous wierdness, we'll probably get a direct answer in Remake. I doubt there will be much of an effort to hide the mystery this time around. And this actually leads into another fun fact. Waaaayyy back in Disc one, when you visit the Honeybee in, there's an old couple you can peep on in one of the rooms. Inside is the old couple, who speak with a very thick country (Kansai) accent, talking about how their son is now a high ranking exec for Shinra, and how he's invited them to visit from their home in the country. Hidden in the bottom corner, is a tiny Cait Sith, all but stating that it's Reeve's parents, and giving a very roundabout implied life history that you could extrapolate quite a bit from.
Really, that sums up my outsized enjoyment of this oddball character. What should be a fun little mascot joke character like Mog or Umaro turns out to have much more going on under the surface that ties directly into the main plot of the game, and a character arc that I personally find very sympathetic. And I won't lie the sheer meme power of "Reeve Tuesti: Corporate Furry" absolutely helps.
I love the Turks, and I love that you can spare them. No notes.
The bullshit headacanon theory that I literally just made up on the spot is that Cait Sith is actually a folkloric creature in whatever region Reeve is from.
And there's actually fan theory that will probably amount to nothing, but I recount because I like it, is that in Remake, Cait will be an unused design for the Urban Planning division, one that was scrapped for the dog mascot. Part of the project was to have a multitude semi-autonomous Cait Sith's acting as guides and helpers for Midgar's citizens scampering across Midgar, that a controller could then override when needed. I'm sure it's not gonna be true, but I like it a lot.
Did you know that in the initial draft of this scene, everyone except for the other two character chosen for your party were supposed to fucking die, cut down by anti-aircraft fire? This was rightfully changed for being deranged, and we got Aerith dying as a compromise. Reeve was also supposed to have a scene where he would go into the reactor himself to try and shut it down, but no idea if that was going to be successful or just a suicide mission.
Even with the shaky execution, I really like the twist. There's a reason why FF7 Remake inserts several new scenes of Reeve going "Hmmm. Not a fan of this Big Evil that Shinra is doing." Including a scene with Cait Sith's theme playing very softly in the background, Reeve fucking around with VR equipment, and a scene of Cait Sith showing up during the plate drop to try and do *something*, and is visibly distraught when he's too late. And this ties into the second fun fact. In the original planning for the game, Reeve was meant to secretly be something called an Inspire, someone with the magical ability to bring inanimate objects to life. It's not stated if this is still the case; while it's not directly alluded to in anything else, nothing else about Cait seems really to gel with him being technological creation. It's probably not canon anymore...but stuff like Dirge has Cait acting like less like a piloted drone, and more like an autonomous familiar of sorts.
Since FF7 seems to realise the big weakness with this whole character arc is exactly that sort of nebulous wierdness, we'll probably get a direct answer in Remake. I doubt there will be much of an effort to hide the mystery this time around. And this actually leads into another fun fact. Waaaayyy back in Disc one, when you visit the Honeybee in, there's an old couple you can peep on in one of the rooms. Inside is the old couple, who speak with a very thick country (Kansai) accent, talking about how their son is now a high ranking exec for Shinra, and how he's invited them to visit from their home in the country. Hidden in the bottom corner, is a tiny Cait Sith, all but stating that it's Reeve's parents, and giving a very roundabout implied life history that you could extrapolate quite a bit from.
Really, that sums up my outsized enjoyment of this oddball character. What should be a fun little mascot joke character like Mog or Umaro turns out to have much more going on under the surface that ties directly into the main plot of the game, and a character arc that I personally find very sympathetic. And I won't lie the sheer meme power of "Reeve Tuesti: Corporate Furry" absolutely helps.
I love the Turks, and I love that you can spare them. No notes.
The bullshit headacanon theory that I literally just made up on the spot is that Cait Sith is actually a folkloric creature in whatever region Reeve is from.
And there's actually fan theory that will probably amount to nothing, but I recount because I like it, is that in Remake, Cait will be an unused design for the Urban Planning division, one that was scrapped for the dog mascot. Part of the project was to have a multitude semi-autonomous Cait Sith's acting as guides and helpers for Midgar's citizens scampering across Midgar, that a controller could then override when needed. I'm sure it's not gonna be true, but I like it a lot.
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@Omicron: Technically the W-X materias aren't dualcasts. They allow you to input the relevant command twice, instead. For example, with W-Summon, you could summon both Hades and Bahamut. Or Knights twice. However, you pay the full cost of both commands -- both items are consumed, both summons cost their standard MP and consume a summon use, etc.
W-Item is also infamously glitched in two different ways and can either eat an item without applying its effect or duplicate any useable-in-battle-item (as long as you have at least one of them to start with) indefinitely. Both of these are deterministic so you can trigger one or the other as you wish.
The upcoming sequence has both Barret and Cait Sith's ultimate weapons. They're both easy to miss; Barret's is in a chest that won't even appear if you don't have Barret in the party, and Cait Sith's is in one of those 'unmarked interactable screen element' we've come to know and, well, know. At least it's a logical unmarked interactable, I guess.
That's why I suggested taking Barret, because Barret's ultimate weapon is one of the strongest ones. Technically because there are save points throughout you could swap him in just before the critical field, but I'm trying to avoid too much detail in these spoilers.
Speaking of ultimate weapons, Cloud's Ultima Weapon's strength varies based on Cloud's HP %. It's strongest when he's at max HP and weakens as he's hurt. There's actually a neat visual change in the blade as you go into low (yellow) and critical (red) health states; it fades away.
Also, Vincent's ultimate weapon has been available to you for a while, but you're locked into Midgar for now.
Speaking of Cait Sith:
I love how this game will let you just straight out say what's going on and people think you're joking.
W-Item is also infamously glitched in two different ways and can either eat an item without applying its effect or duplicate any useable-in-battle-item (as long as you have at least one of them to start with) indefinitely. Both of these are deterministic so you can trigger one or the other as you wish.
The upcoming sequence has both Barret and Cait Sith's ultimate weapons. They're both easy to miss; Barret's is in a chest that won't even appear if you don't have Barret in the party, and Cait Sith's is in one of those 'unmarked interactable screen element' we've come to know and, well, know. At least it's a logical unmarked interactable, I guess.
That's why I suggested taking Barret, because Barret's ultimate weapon is one of the strongest ones. Technically because there are save points throughout you could swap him in just before the critical field, but I'm trying to avoid too much detail in these spoilers.
Speaking of ultimate weapons, Cloud's Ultima Weapon's strength varies based on Cloud's HP %. It's strongest when he's at max HP and weakens as he's hurt. There's actually a neat visual change in the blade as you go into low (yellow) and critical (red) health states; it fades away.
Also, Vincent's ultimate weapon has been available to you for a while, but you're locked into Midgar for now.
Speaking of Cait Sith:
I love how this game will let you just straight out say what's going on and people think you're joking.
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Zap Rowsdower
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So, while that supports the idea I just mentioned, that the scottish brogue is his natural accent, it does mean I gotta ask...
Why did Reeve put his parents up in the sex hotel below the plate?
ZerbanDaGreat
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The Ultima Weapon is defeated.
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The reason why this is so easy, of course, is because Ultima runs away after every fight. If this was one single stand up fight, I would need to manage my resources, ensuring timely buff refreshing, heals, and managing MP counts, because some of these overkill spells do have a huge MP cost. As it stands, every time the Weapon runs away, I can just… use a Tent and refresh all resources. So I can go loud every time, from the start. Would this be different if I didn't do that? I mean, it would certainly cost me more, but like… It's going to just amount to "oh I have to spend a Megalixir to top up MP once," isn't it?
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Let's try it anyway.
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It doesn't even kill her.
In the end, the 'Ultimate' Weapon was yet more cannon fodder.
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Identifying with Salami Dave? Get in the cuck coffin with Vincent right now.
Remember how we all had a bit of a laugh about Cait Sith using the Manipulate materia for any of his bullshit to fly with the party?
Yeah Reeve just has superpowers. He can 'breathe life' into the Cait Sith doll and there is zero explanation for how this random human has a genuinely magical ability outside the paradigm of all other supernatural abilities shown in the game. Cait Sith #1 was, seemingly, genuinely sentient and expressed as much before it died in the Temple of the Ancients, before Reeve Drifted with the backup body.
Also funnily enough, according to the wiki at least, it's possible to view a Cait Sith cameo looking into one of the rooms at the Honeybee Inn - that is, an inert plushie of him.
In that same room an elderly couple are discussing amongst themselves, in a kansai accent, that their son has been recently promoted to head of a department at Shinra. This therefore implies that the kansai accent is just how Reeve grew up speaking, but only feels comfortable doing so these days via Cait Sith because he's got to mask his roots at the office. Which adds a fun dimension to it all.
God it'd be so funny if the Re- continuity made Reeve naturally as Scottish as Haggis but bunging on a neutral American accent but I doubt that will be the case, because Dirge of Cerberus has a scene of Reeve and Cait Sith in the same room together (remember what I said about his piloting the kitty through fucking magic?) and Cait Sith has a completely different voice actor doing a Scottish accent while Reeve is just American as usual.
Also, the scene of everyone coming in freefall to Midgar looks sweet as hell.
Meteor in the background, looming in the sky like the eye of an angry god, our characters all adopting diving poses and falling towards the massive, iconic steel giant of the upper plate, reactors burning Mako around them, the city stretching out…
Fantastic stuff, just, chef's kiss.
Fun fact - originally, the game just fucking slaughtered the party here. You'd pick your party of three for the raid and then everyone else on the roster would die to build heat for the climax. Nomura said "what? that's fucking stupid, don't do that" and the conversation that followed is what led to the placement and role of Aerith's death at the end of disc 1.
I wonder why the Doberu-Item and Doberu-Magic materia would yield double the effect 🤔
My best guess: He asked Palmer for recommendations for a good hotel, but forgot to specify what kind.
EDIT: Also, now only are all the all the "Exasperated Reeve" jokes we've been making through this playlist even better with the full context, but I can also use the excuse that it's subtle metanarrative foreshadowing. :^)
EDIT NO. 2: I forgot to mention, there's some other things Cait+Reeve says/does that start to make sense once you have the context. Why does he expressly call out Barrett for bombing the reactor? Besides the people who died, it's under his jurisdiction. Why Does he hate Scarlett (beside, y'know, why anyone would)? Because he works directly with her and suffers from her firsthand. Why did he talk about having been to Cosmo Canyon? Because Reeve worked with Bugenhagen during Gramp's Shinra years. Same for how he knows enough about Junon and the Highwind to mastermind the prison break and fly it out. Also, the eavesdropping scenes where Reeve is standing far off in the corner, staring into the middle distance looking inconspicuous while every other exec schemes.
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21stCentury
Let's get down to bismuth
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W clearly stands for Wocka Wocka.
ZerbanDaGreat
Daemon Noble of D E M O G R A P H I C S
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I don't understand what's ironic about this, please explain in exhaustive detail.
First, we have to bully Omi into playing Kingdom Hearts. Then-
kairuf
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Interesting, this makes me wonder if the parachute scene in Remake is intended to [there is a specific word for repeating elements but I can't remember it] this in R3
Reeve and Cait Sith seem to work how ever the plot wants them to.
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If its Reeve's regular accent why does he only uses it as Cait Sith? If its not is it some sort of voice manipulation? Does Reeve think some thing for Cait Sith to say in a accent then the Reeve bot changes it back? WHY MAKE A ROBOT DOUBLE THAT USES A ANOTHER ROBOT AS A PILOT!?
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View: https://youtu.be/umqq6UI1RW8?si=1W13fae9DytY6mGD
If its Reeve's regular accent why does he only uses it as Cait Sith? If its not is it some sort of voice manipulation? Does Reeve think some thing for Cait Sith to say in a accent then the Reeve bot changes it back? WHY MAKE A ROBOT DOUBLE THAT USES A ANOTHER ROBOT AS A PILOT!?
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It's canon. Remember the elderly couple with Kansai accents at the hotel whose son got them a room, and were astonished by how fancy everything there was, and felt badly out of place?
Yup, Reeve is pretty much the token 'poor scholarship kid who made it' on the board.