Last Light of a Dark Age (Warhammer 29K/Disco Elysium)

This is truly incredible, wonderfully dense in vocabulary, metaphors, and visual imagery. It paints an incredible picture of a hellscape of man's own creation. These awe inspiring, in the truest sense of the word, acts of creation turned into weapons of destruction in ways the mortal mind trembles to comprehend. It's a crime that few responses have come close to scratching the surface of the literary stratigraphy in the opening posts. The jargon is excellent, truly high grade esoteric conceptual sci-fi and fantasy terms. I feel like Kirkbride hit the keyboard after consuming Disco Elysium, Eclipse Phase, Alpha Centauri, a few more books on Buddhist and Hindu theology, and an ethical amount of LSD.

In a word: fucking peak.

The terminology is dense, and I think the posts deserve a bit of a break down.

Koinon a Greek word. It means common thing, but should be thought of as terms of public and community. It is the polis of the city state, the demos of a democracy. It's unsurprising then that Koinon appears very Greek inspired. This universal brotherhood of mankind is all embracing, yet only psykers can be siblings. The mass appearance of psykers is interesting, though that assumes they're very common. As a blank, Normal is the lowest of the low, yet at least not a slave, in term only perhaps, we shall see. Isolation is an interesting punishment because of the subtle differences between it and alienation. I feel the former is the lack of community in the first place, while the latter implies an explicit reject from a community, though this is perhaps splitting hairs.

It is amusing that despite being stratified, Koinon appears to champion itself as a liberator compared to the god-kings and god-machines ruling the land. Orphaned Copies is an interesting word as well. I wonder if that's perhaps clones spat out of vats with no direction or maybe infomorphs separated from their bodies and stuck in virtual space? I don't know what a reality-pen is, other than a worrying name. The ultimate tablet/ipad kid: hook us up to the Matrix to hold us? Normal is a member of a polis, but not a citizen of it. At least though, there is a place for blanks in it, even if it's not a good one.

Titanagalbat's vibe is impeccable. Someone pulled a God-Emperor on a smaller scale, a powerful warlord and perhaps a psyker or "simple" super soldier carved a bloody path across the continent, forging an awesome empire in His wake. Mecharajas is likely derived from the term Maharajas, a title in India, basically a prince. Mah simply replaced with Mech because they have giant ass DAoT Titans as warmounts. It could also be a reference to Rajas in Hinduism. It's less likely, but worth mentioning cause it's kind of fun. It's a philosophical and psychological concept, meant to be understood in tangtem with other ideas. From wikipedia cause I won't pretend to be an expert on it, "Rajas is the quality of passion, activity, neither good nor bad and sometimes either, self-centeredness, egoistic, individualizing, driven, moving, dynamic." Mecha-Rajas is then a title apotheosis, one who's perhaps bonded with or tamed the ego of their throne-titan and bent it to their will or achieved some heightened state of consciousness and achieved some form of enlightenment.

It's a very spiritual society. Monad in this context refers to the deity, GOD, in its absolute perfect state, almost the platonic idea of a god. Gnosis is spiritual knowledge, secrets, and truth, and in this case the disdain for digital uploads/infomorphs reveals perhaps an ironic invocation of the term by the Titanagalbat. Gnostics believe that the physical world is a trap crafted by the Demiurge, a being that is either god or usurped god or tricked god, etc. They regard the spiritual metaphysical world the real world, untainted by physical reality. The Bronze King's destruction of Freespace thus makes him a Demiurge like figure, trapping his enemies in prisons of flesh and steel to deny them the world of pure information/imagination.

I feel like Chehrazad made an insightful post about Kora's Progeny. The monastic forest communes give major Gaian Stepdaughters' vibes.

The skills have some great language in them too. It's telling that red, Appetite, does not necessary mean physical body like it does in Disco Elysium. It's not exactly our strength, but primal urges and instincts. It's very interesting that Reliquary and Noosphere provide different information. I dig it, honestly. Noosphere is perhaps more bookish, encyclopedic in its knowledge, much like the Disco Elysium skill. Reliquary doesn't have a direct one to one, which I like. It's a sense of community, maybe similar to Esprit De Corps and others. I dig it. Sacred Geometry is fun too Conceptualization and Visual Calculus merged together. Symbols maintain a lot of meaning. The mind wraps its secrets in symbols.

A skill that stands out to is Axiomatic Chamber. That's ominous as fuck.

And now, the most difficult choice, where to place Normal. The unfortunate blank living at the quite literal end of history as society has collapsed numerous times before, and only 'recovered' 'recently.' I can see the appeal of all of them. The ancient wonders of the world vibe Titanagalbat's got going on is sick, but I think I'm going to go with Hellenic inspired psychic republic of mankind. There is a great deal of irony in coming from a society literally called "community" and our punishment is "isolation."

[X] Koinon

Oh, I love shivers. The absence of its closest relative so far is intentional and important ;)

Because we're a blank. We ain't no soul. :V
 
Picking at the threads
abyssal naillast quest we had a celestial nail
Stigma of the Father's love
how can it be forged from living metal, if it's a genetic marker?
the Fatherthe founder, the giver of breath, man of gold(Men of Gold, whose optics glittered with the vision of what was yet to come(where they psychic?))
From the Lapsarian Lung, the last living flesh the Father, they[witch-kings] drew breath
(the breath isn't life, it's pneuma)
Pneumaticfancy name for psyker
interdimensional devilsdemons
punch meat-monsters?
snakes are to blame for this. Spöoky snakessnakes
In Titanagalbat there is a region named Standing Snakes.
petriform clustersMen of stone, with sturdy minds and strong-carved limbs tuned by strings of silicon?
Everywhere, Koinon found rough bodies of stone and left polished bodies of marble; related?
What's the deal?
Cube Citieswhy so cubic
Origen stationnote the spelling
it's got a fancy graphic, what's the deal?
It has scryers, its' plinths once held the name Winterine
RELIQUARY [AUTOFAIL]: There's nothing wrong with this map.is there something wrong with the map, and what?
we will never diewhy?
cubemeninhabitants of the cube cities, one presumes
gnosisreligious principle of some sort, the light of is upheld by the Bronze King
Her Minds, Her closest geneseed, that wield the powers of psychic command and uphold the gnosis that She studied so well
waxsubstance with which printing is done
the strangersApparently lived in Eros,a cube city. Who are these?
face-taxKora's Progeny takes faces. Why?
antephagic networkWhat phage was this that marks history? The plankton?
 
[X] Koinon

Axiomatic Chamber is the Though Cabinet equivalent, right? It is a chamber where we store our axioms, i.e. foundations of our worldview.
 
Presumably is a tax-per-face, not a tax of faces.

(Although i may be wrong).

(Ina society were everybody has the same face it could be read as a tax on conquered subjects, kind of like a jizya).
Your interpretation makes sense but the strangers of Eros were freed and their faces restored to them.

Also on Discord Cetashwayo (failing his pledge to keep the quest out of Discord, a bit) said:
"One thing to note is all the descriptions [of the states] are quite literal. If you see something that sounds like a metaphor or flowery language it is not. This should be concerning"
 
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Also on Discord Cetashwayo (failing his pledge to keep the quest out of Discord, a bit) said:
"One thing to note is all the descriptions [of the states] are quite literal. If you see something that sounds like a metaphor or flowery language it is not. This should be concerning"

Yes, sorry, my bad. Was late and got excited and there was less discussion happening in-thread. Will resist it.

And yes, as I stated, most of the description by reliquary in those posts is quite literal.

Note also: No relation to tapestry quest. THRONE//FRINGE is inspo but obviously a different universe.
 
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I have made some minor edits to each of the descriptions in order to clarify some things, because the commentary on what people are unsure on or what is missing is very helpful. Some things are explicitly vague; others I want to make clearer.

In Koinon:

There is no other option but to observe the rites of humanity, to restrain the passion of the pneumatic with phase-steel and Ataraxia and maintain the global law of gnosis.
[...]
Forced to protect its socials and and sustain the rites the scry-republic has waged defensive war across the continent against the terrors myriad - warlocks and machine-worshippers, idol-lovers and orphaned copies of the witch.
[...]
You are printed a sentient in Koinon, as no Social being could bear the loss of privilege involved with printing a hylic, and a sibling must be psychic. You spend the first years of your life in a reality pen, secluded without interaction with humanity, in a light-monolith by the stormy panthalassic sea. Your only companion is a malfunctioning nerve staple. The punishment imposed you bear for the sin of your conception is isolation.

In Titanagalbat:

You are printed a menial in Titanagalbat, as hylic mecharajas are deified by merit, not print, and maintenants would not waste wax better grown to repair limbs and wings. You spend the first years of your life in a hanging garden, a pyramidal ziggurat of the machine-god Koshkin in the southern reaches of Titanagalbat, your main companion a broken cybersoldier. The punishment you bear for the sin of your conception is subordination.

In Kora's Progeny:

Even before the march of the Flesh-worshippers, even before the treachery of resident strangers who reject face-tax, even before the suspicion of the whole world:
[...]
You are printed a hand in Kora's Progeny; a hylic could never reflect the psychic perfection of Her Mind, and a hylic Heart would find no battle-lovers. You spend the first years of your life in a Monastic Copse, an ancestor grove cultivated by the Mind Superior Sympathy, your main companion a mutant. The punishment you bear for the sin of your conception is alienation.

In the Freescape:

I have wrenched their souls from their silicon slates, and forced them mewling into chains of flesh and stone. I have cracked the walls of Vermillion, and painted them anew. I have made cause with the arks, and from the sky and soil we have swept away their flimsy armies, to bedrock.
 
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disgusting society, the emphasis on restoration of mother and father is truly saddening, it is against man's way, against god's way, to live other than the way god intended (society of identical psychic clone women made in the image of a sorceress queen)
 
The extent to which people are ignoring the urgency of protecting our bone marrow from the Pneumatic Cabal speaks to just how deeply we have been infiltrated.
 
Wait, "fell from the sky" almost makes me think the Bronze King might be a Primarch, though apparently they passed on already. Then again, canon says there are 2 unaccounted-for Primarchs, so...
 
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Primach is the most obvious answer, the Bronze King doing his conquest and apparently sired a lineage of Superhumans, which all sounds like a Science and Technology Primach who independently redeveloped Geneseeds.

That said I am inclined to believe it might be a Posthuman Commander/Warlord who survived the War against the Iron Men. Their disdain against Uploads and Electronic Intelligence makes sense for someone who had to endure that.
 
I like to imagine it's not a primarch because if it is that just makes the whole universe smaller. Not everything revolves around the Emperor.

Well they did go and die (possibly assassinated or felled in battle, who knows), so it's not like they're particularly relevant anymore. Falling from the sky and being dubbed "Colossus" aren't like, surefire indicators, but certainly seem to point in that direction.

It'd be funny if the reason the Lost Primarchs got expunged from the record was simply that they committed the sin of dying before contact. Can't mar the glorious superhuman narrative with failures, you know.

Other than that Titanagalbat pretty obviously has some heavy Ad Mech coding with the Titans, machine-worship, mention of the "All-Messiah". Obviously heavily distorted from the Ad Mech we know, but syncretism and heterodoxy in religion is hardly unheard of.

Now the last question is who the spacers they've made contact with are. It might not be the Imperium, but it might be, which would suggest Crusade forces made cause with the local strongmen, Titanagalbat probably agreed to pay lip service to their suzerainty and offer up some Titan legions as war materiel, Crusade fleet provides some orbital support to wipe out the most offensive polities, marks the planet on their map as brought into compliance and then moves on.

After all, the Imperium of the time (assuming it exists anyway and we're not too early) is in an expansionist phase, so it would be more interested in map painting than consolidation or enforcing orthodoxy.
 
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