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Kindred Spirits (Stargate/RWBY)

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So, forgetting the Shadowy stuff entirely:

Silver Eyes are right out in the open. Lineages of them are well known and tend to get a lot of attention. Quite possibly Summer managed to drop out of sight and hence Ruby isn't getting her baby pictures plastered all over tabloids, however in general these familes tend to be rich, old money, and breed a lot of Huntresses and Huntsmen. Which unfortunately also results in them being extinguished roughly as frequently as they spawn off branching family lines.

Maidens, again need opinions on this cause it's a biggy, are the focal point not of a Fairy Tale but of Remnant's dominant religion. Followers tend to hold that the four Maidens established the four kingdoms as the first truly safe places in Remnant. Doctrine has the Maidens being slain by various means (two by enormously powerful Grimm, one by a strange sickness, one by betrayal from one of her followers) and believes that they continue to watch over the world in a less physical form. The truth is more complicated as to how they were slain enough times to drop out of public knowledge and become a grand secret.

A more minor religion holds faith that the Starborn will one day return to take the faithful to a better world, one free of the Grimm. Guess where that came from.
 
For the faunus you could take some inspiration on the american Civil Rights fight and the South African Apartheid to elaborate the ways the Faunus were discriminated and kept down but with the difference that after the peaceful options failed the Faunus reacted like the post-WWII Israeli jewish community, organizing the White Fang like they did with the Haganah which started as a community defense force and then after a time consolidated into a small army.
 
Something to consider is how Remnant warfare works since Jack, Sam and Teal'c might be interested in that.

Personally, I can't imagine that large-scale armies would be very useful on Remnant, given that much negativity would bring every Grimm in the area down upon them and slaughter both sides. I imagine that guerilla warfare would probably be pretty popular, with small groups of extremely capable fighters and Huntsmen to deliver critical strikes against the enemy. There probably wouldn't be too much direct confrontation to avoid attracting Grimm and most wars would focus on keeping the Kingdoms bottled up and cut off from their resource centers instead of protracted sieges or invasions. Breaching city walls could leave entire populations to the mercies of the Grimm and result in the deaths of thousands.

My personal headcanon is that the White Fang's use of Grimm to attack population centers is something that's happened before in Remnant's history of war, but is against the current rules of war. Like the how the Geneva Convention gives POW's certain rights the people of Remnant have certain rules about their conflicts in order to keep entire kingdoms from falling to Grimm invasions.

Something else to consider is how Semblances can affect warfare. Telekinesis like Glynda's would make fixed emplacements and defenses virtually useless and Raven's portals would be a huge boon to supply chains. A handful of Semblances in a single army could change the tide of the war. You would probably see less standardization and instead tactics geared for specific groups and individuals.
 
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Anzer'ke said:
Silver Eyes are right out in the open. Lineages of them are well known and tend to get a lot of attention. Quite possibly Summer managed to drop out of sight and hence Ruby isn't getting her baby pictures plastered all over tabloids, however in general these familes tend to be rich, old money, and breed a lot of Huntresses and Huntsmen. Which unfortunately also results in them being extinguished roughly as frequently as they spawn off branching family lines.
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I have to be quite upfront, this change just seems to be change for change's sake, rather than the groundwork of a society. There's probably a limit to how many Silver Eyes can exist (potentially only one at a time. Odd thought about Ruby's eyes turning silver when her mother died. Stays maternally unless the entire family line dies out, then it randomly manifests.)

Now to change it up, there is more than two groups that knows of these 'living myths', Ozpin's conspiracy and Cinder's opposition by default, but government agents of a certain level would likely know (potential Winter freaking out because her sister's team mate is a myth that can supposedly kill grimm at a glance.) Then you can tack on a few other secret societies (or even just individuals). Perhaps a mad science group that wants to see if they can duplicate the Silver Eyes. A lone antagonist that wants to destroy it from reasons in his past, etc.
 
Arthur Hansen said:
I have to be quite upfront, this change just seems to be change for change's sake, rather than the groundwork of a society. There's probably a limit to how many Silver Eyes can exist (potentially only one at a time. Odd thought about Ruby's eyes turning silver when her mother died. Stays maternally unless the entire family line dies out, then it randomly manifests.)

Now to change it up, there is more than two groups that knows of these 'living myths', Ozpin's conspiracy and Cinder's opposition by default, but government agents of a certain level would likely know (potential Winter freaking out because her sister's team mate is a myth that can supposedly kill grimm at a glance.) Then you can tack on a few other secret societies (or even just individuals). Perhaps a mad science group that wants to see if they can duplicate the Silver Eyes. A lone antagonist that wants to destroy it from reasons in his past, etc.
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Silver Eyes cannot be stolen, and are extra good at Grimm killing. So why in fuck's name would they be hidden? How would that ever happen in the first place?

It's more of a change to fix something that made no sense to me.
 
Anzer'ke said:
Silver Eyes cannot be stolen, and are extra good at Grimm killing. So why in fuck's name would they be hidden? How would that ever happen in the first place?
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They're rare to the point of nonexistence? Most people with silver eyes don't actually have Silver Eyes? Witch Hunts in early history?

Those are just off the top of my head and the question marks are as a "Does this work?" more than trying to be a jerk about it.
 
The basis of known Silver Eyes would have a fairly heavy impact on Ruby's character. And being a mysterious background of Ruby was actually a really cool thing from all the way back in Episode 1.
 
Anzer'ke said:
Silver Eyes cannot be stolen, and are extra good at Grimm killing. So why in fuck's name would they be hidden?
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Whoever said that they were hidden? It could be the fact that because in the much earlier days in history before huntsman and kingdoms being a thing these were the people needed. The bulwark between humanity and it's complete annihilation. It could be that during these early days that so many Silver eyed warrior died protecting humanity until they got their shit together and formed the kingdoms who could have actual governments, militaries/ militias and eventually huntsman aka the super heroes/protectors of humanity.

Now a days having the genetic trait of silver eyes could be very rare like albinism and treated as a sign of someone doing amazing things in life. Then those who can actually use the ability of silver eyes aka "kill a grimm with a glance" could be something insanely rare among the rare that most people think it's just a tall tale or maybe a urban legend.

Otherwise I feel like silvereye warriors and their descendants would be treated like nobility or now super celebrities who people get super excited about like whenever Prince William and Duchess Catherine have a kid (remember that was on a quite a few news channels and talk shows ). I mean think about it "Hey we've been protecting your sorry asses while you've been trying to build these massive city/states/kingdoms so because of all the lives we've sacrificed how about you make us important figures" kinda like Knight houses in 40k but replace Imperial knight with silver eye and replace pilots with super powered warriors. Oh and not douches who act holier than though.
 
Anzer'ke said:
Silver Eyes cannot be stolen, and are extra good at Grimm killing. So why in fuck's name would they be hidden? How would that ever happen in the first place?

It's more of a change to fix something that made no sense to me.
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As mentioned already, I also don't think Silver Eyes are actually hidden so much as just vanishingly rare. If the silver eyed warriors were more common, the facts and rumors about their abilities would be far more widespread and well known. Ruby having silver eyes would have been a Big Thing that got her near endless attention from her peers, like if Pyhrra stepped out of myth instead of an arena. Meanwhile, the Maidens seem fairly well known as legends even though they are being deliberately hidden.

It's not so much that only the leaders and conspiracies know about Silver Eyes, it's just that nobody else bothers to look up the relevant history, or puts any stock in their supposed abilities if they do. And without a living, widely known example, they'll probably stay obscure. At least until Ruby stones the dragon and rumors start flying.
 
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Phant0m5 said:
As mentioned already, I also don't think Silver Eyes are actually hidden so much as just vanishingly rare. If the silver eyed warriors were more common, the facts and rumors about their abilities would be far more widespread and well known. Ruby having silver eyes would have been a Big Thing that got her near endless attention from her peers, like if Pyhrra stepped out of myth instead of an arena. Meanwhile, the Maidens seem fairly well known as legends even though they are being deliberately hidden.

It's not so much that only the leaders and conspiracies know about Silver Eyes, it's just that nobody else bothers to look up the relevant history, or puts any stock in their supposed abilities if they do. And without a living, widely known example, they'll probably stay obscure. At least until Ruby stones the dragon and rumors start flying.
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I think of it more along the lines of being one of two choices.

If you're assuming it already existed, and is passed down through families, then...

>> There is a special power that kills Grimm and creates super hunters/huntresses
>> This power is genetic, and can be passed down from one generation to the next
>> Users of this power are still human, and may form allegiances for good or for ill
>>>> Allegiances with Kingdoms or criminals, tribes or small groups of friends, etc...
>> The more people who know about this power, the more likely they'll have the ability to defeat a user of this power
>> The secrets to fighting this power need to be kept close
>>>> This is to protect people who would use this power for good
>>>> This is to eliminate people who would use this power for evil
>> People misuse power all the time
>> Maybe keep this all on the hush-hush as much as possible
>> It can't be kept completely silent, so disseminate some information to the public
>>>> The information doesn't all have to be true -- in fact, most of it should be false


OR...

>> Silver Eyes are vanishingly rare. Not just rare, as in, they're one of the rarest physical conditions that exist
>>>> Enough exist that, mathematically, the main villains have dealt with them one way or another
>>>> But it's still an outlandishly rare trait that's easy to miss and difficult to spot
>> Ozpin knows because he's been around

I subscribe to the latter because it seems outstandingly more reasonable by comparison. Just treat Silver Eyes like an abnormal genetic condition -- the kind of thing that few people in the population have, but it's not unheard of. If anything, Silver Eyes could be seen as a partly beneficial genetic defect. It's abnormal because people aren't supposed to have it. But every so often, some genetic coding gets mixed up along the way, or someone gets exposed to some chemicals or materials from several years ago that they should have avoided, and then... out pops someone with Silver Eyes.

Most people with Silver Eyes probably never become Hunters or Huntsmen, in this explanation. Why? Because they have other physical and mental deficiencies that would turn them into a liability. Ruby's lucky. She's just relatively low on the spectrum and has a slight case of OCD. Other people with Silver Eyes have more severe bodily and neurological conditions, so severe that the idea of them holding a weapon at all is unfathomable.

It's not just that Ruby has Silver Eyes -- it's that she's one of the preciously lucky few who not only has Silver Eyes, but isn't too damaged to do anything. She isn't lost in her own little world, she isn't banging her head against a wall, she doesn't have fingers and toes that are stuck together -- she can pass as a normal girl with normal knees, and sure, she's a little out there... but she's not detached from reality.

...Which suddenly puts the antagonists in an even darker perspective. I mean, just look at everyone's favorite scorpion faunus! If most people with Silver Eyes belonged on the short bus, that'd mean Tyrian's made it a hobby to find people with the brain development of eight-year-olds and brutally murder them for fun and profit.

Teal Dear; My headcanon is that Ruby's Silver Eyes aren't just a rare trait. They're a genetic defect. Most people who have them don't get off nearly as lightly as she does, and even then, she's not without a few quirks. They're manageable. But still present, and typically played for laughs.
 
Oh, I was talking with a friend about this and he noted a couple of things for the 'ways in which SG and RWBY fit together' ... I fully expect these ideas to be ignored, I'm mainly putting them in for humour.

So, take Remnant ... a shattered moon and a devastated planet overrun by terrible monsters. Does this not sound exactly like the kind of fuck-up the Ancients left behind like everywhere? I expect they were doing SCIENCE to the planet and, as normal, did a Cerberus and whatever they were working on killed everyone and took over the base / planet.

Also I wonder if the idea of 'evil woman running things with a weird voice and glowing eyes' does make me think of certain Stargate villains ...
 
Tamahori said:
Oh, I was talking with a friend about this and he noted a couple of things for the 'ways in which SG and RWBY fit together' ... I fully expect these ideas to be ignored, I'm mainly putting them in for humour.

So, take Remnant ... a shattered moon and a devastated planet overrun by terrible monsters. Does this not sound exactly like the kind of fuck-up the Ancients left behind like everywhere? I expect they were doing SCIENCE to the planet and, as normal, did a Cerberus and whatever they were working on killed everyone and took over the base / planet.

Also I wonder if the idea of 'evil woman running things with a weird voice and glowing eyes' does make me think of certain Stargate villains ...
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Yeah, no offence and I appreciate the thought, but that's pretty much exactly the kind of thing I'm avoiding.

@ Silver Eyes stuff

The amount of justification being spun is kinda why I dislike the notion. Instead of all that it's so much simpler to just say they're public and well known. As @Parks_98 said they are celebrities and that's it.

It's not like the Ruby being special is going to alter her much. She's already a prodigy who got into beacon two years early (not that anyone ever fucking comments on this past the first episodes) and ended up leading a team that got into the Vytal Tournament in their first year. Not to mention their involvement in a near breach of Vale's defences.

The fact she's not already a celebrity in canon is kinda baffling to me. Heck this goes well beyond her, we have a clear scene of Qrow in a bar and the bartender was acting like he was some random guy and not, you know, acting like Batman came by for a drink.

How the fuck Qrow even has to pay for his drinks...
 
Anzer'ke said:
How the fuck Qrow even has to pay for his drinks...
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Pretty sure if you want to be popular you need to actually try to be. So can you honestly imagine someone like Qrow actually go to an interview, talk show, or do anything that would involved being around annoyingly stuffy people? I mean maybe if hue wants to get a couple of booze but other than that....yeah not happening
 
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Anzer'ke said:
Heck this goes well beyond her, we have a clear scene of Qrow in a bar and the bartender was acting like he was some random guy and not, you know, acting like Batman came by for a drink.

How the fuck Qrow even has to pay for his drinks...
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Isn't canon Qrow actively trying to stay out of the limelight so he can do spywork for Ozpin? Admittedly, he's not that good at it what with picking fights with Specialist Winter in public but still...
 
deadpan29 said:
Isn't canon Qrow actively trying to stay out of the limelight so he can do spywork for Ozpin? Admittedly, he's not that good at it what with picking fights with Specialist Winter in public but still...
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Yeah most of what is and what isn't canon isn't happening. Like I said they are only keeping Dust, Huntsman, Kingdoms, aura, folding weapons, the name of the kingdoms, the Grimm being soulless monsters that want to kill humanity attack on titan style and all the pre-season 4 characters
 
Anzer'ke said:
Yeah, no offence and I appreciate the thought, but that's pretty much exactly the kind of thing I'm avoiding.

@ Silver Eyes stuff

The amount of justification being spun is kinda why I dislike the notion. Instead of all that it's so much simpler to just say they're public and well known. As @Parks_98 said they are celebrities and that's it.

It's not like the Ruby being special is going to alter her much. She's already a prodigy who got into beacon two years early (not that anyone ever fucking comments on this past the first episodes) and ended up leading a team that got into the Vytal Tournament in their first year. Not to mention their involvement in a near breach of Vale's defences.

The fact she's not already a celebrity in canon is kinda baffling to me. Heck this goes well beyond her, we have a clear scene of Qrow in a bar and the bartender was acting like he was some random guy and not, you know, acting like Batman came by for a drink.

How the fuck Qrow even has to pay for his drinks...
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It's worth noting that there are probably way too many hunters for people to know all of them. To the average person, they are probably aware of a handful of the most well known hunters, and are vaguely aware of a few more. I'd imaging that most hunters, while well enough known that anybody could find out who they are if they put any effort into it, they might not be able to tell/remember on sight.
 
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It's worth noting that there are probably way too many hunters for people to know all of them. To the average person, they are probably aware of a handful of the most well known hunters, and are vaguely aware of a few more. I'd imaging that most hunters, while well enough known that anybody could find out who they are if they put any effort into it, they might not be able to tell/remember on sight.
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Also, with a few notable exceptions, they are probably regional celebrities rather than international ones. I don't doubt for example that Ruby and Yang were well known in Patch and Signal for their skills, or that Sun is known as the Robin Hood of his hometown but to get really big you need to do something really incredible in from of a Scroll, have a distinguish family, being a very visible part of the goverment or the Hunter's infrastructure, or being an important sport's figure with sponsors. But even if you're not one of those with enough time in the field you become well-known between hunters even if the public at large doesn't recognize you at all.
 
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Yeah, no offence and I appreciate the thought, but that's pretty much exactly the kind of thing I'm avoiding.
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And that's perfectly fine.

I mainly did that for a poke at the ancients, because wow did they ever leave a trail of fucked up messes across several galaxies. My personal headcanon is the Goa'uld were either an ancient super-soldier system, or a counter-measure to Ori plagues (not a factor in this setting, given no Ori) that went out of control after the Ancients left ... would explain why they have a knack for reverse engineering ancient tech. Anywho, I will shhhh now. :)
 
I didn't mean that he should be getting free drinks because he's a celebrity, I meant that he should be getting free drinks because he's recognisable as a Huntsman.

This isn't about fame, it's about Huntsman and Huntresses being the main thing keeping the Remnans alive and therefore you would think that people would take any opportunity to aid them. If a bleeding Huntress showed up on your frontier farmstead's doorstep, you'd obviously do everything you could to patch them up and supply them because that person is a significant portion of the forces keeping you alive.

Qrow walks into a bar wearing a cape and with a mechanical greatsword sheathed at the small of his back, about as obvious as a Huntsman can possibly be, and the bartender doesn't care. The only patron of that bar was the equivalent of a superhero in a world where the villains are constantly threatening to wipe out everything, and yet there's no reaction.

I'm just finally getting around to reading the Riftwar series (on book 1, anyone posts spoilers and I will not be happy) and that has a concept that I think rather applies here. Wherein (MINOR SPOILER WARNING) magicians of an Empire were made exempt from its laws after they saved it from total destruction, with the sole requirement that they stand ready to do it again if necessary.

I'm not saying I'll go tat far, but certainly people should be treating Huntsmen and Huntresses...differently.

Imagine a weirdly patriotic country like america and how it currently treats it soldiers (I mean the public display, not the actual behind the scene important shit) and now imagine that the US is under constant attack by an enemy that cannot be defeated, only held at bay, and which will happily wipe out the country if the soldiers weren't standing in the way. See what I mean yet?
 
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yeah that does make some sense.

Though I'm pretty sure that if anyone was bleeding heavily outside a persons doorstep then the owner of said place would actually try to help them get some medical attention. Unless your going to make the people of Remnant really jaded.....or at least the people who live outside the kingdoms.
 
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