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Alien how, exactly? And what was so non-alien that irked you in the first place?
Kindred Spirits (Stargate/RWBY)
- Thread starter Anzer'ke
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Been a while since I've read a good Stargate fic, kinda hoping for some similarities with this AtLA/SG fic I read a while back, I quite liked that and the way it went and wouldn't mind seeing something similar with RWBY.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
I'd love to see more of this and I don't care how AU it gets to make it work ... but them I'm not somebody that's watched more than some random bits out of RWBY, so I probably won't even notice most of the AU on that side. As for the Stargate AU stuff, it needs it ... I have pages of rants about bits in that that don't make sense, which I won't share here because nobody cares (as is right and proper).
I do. Very much so. It could be genuinely helpful.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
Putting aside a bunch of cliche shit and the macguffins out of no where.
Remnant is populated by people with super strength and toughness by default. It is full of monsters that pursue any trace of negative emotions. People who train hard enough can become one man armies, who must have been even more devastating before guns were invented. Oh and they share the planet between two sub-species.
The result of all this should not be a culture that's basically North America in the modern day.
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Say's who? Do you, perhaps, have any examples of how such cultures should advance and form?
Less confrontational reply - I find nothing really similar to North America in the modern day when it comes to Remant - Vale is a Monarchy, Atlas is a Military Dictatorship which has elected General Ironwood as it's dictator, Mistral is...well, rather fiercely independent what with all the villages around, suicidaly so, Vacuo is...well, kind of shit from all descriptions.
To add to that - Vale has an ongoing active insurrection by armed terrorists and not only them, they have very popular support from the Faunas which means there's probably specism on a much greater scale than we've been shown judging by that White Fang meeting we saw. Sure these people have their smart phone equivalents, their shopping malls and their clubs but what exactly do you expect them to have?
You ask us for our opinion on wheater we want or don't want AU changes(which is rather ridiculous statement to begin with, you are the author of your own story, what right do we have to say what we want or not in how you want to write it?) but give us little information.
So!
Why don't we discuss the changes you want to implement?
At the very least you might get some even better feedback than 'Yes, we want something different!'.
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This. I like this plan.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
Says every human being with any decent education in sociology, psychology, evolutionary biology, or any number of other fields. Simply looking at the differences in real societies that had different pressures makes it inarguable.
The notion that alien cultures would still end up remarkably similiar to that most familiar to the writer is as much of a sign of laziness as the "all aliens are monocultures" nonsense.
Of course I'm hardly likely to do it proper justice but that's no reason not to try.
I wrote a rather confrontational reply of my own, then realised it would just devolve things and deleted it.
Put more politely, this is a serious stretch. You're ignoring so much that I don't even know where to start.
Remnant has school dances, clothing boutiques, cars, sports tournaments, board games, comic books, sponsorships, advertisements, movies, concerts, magazines, music players...and all of that's just stuff.
We see a focus on competition in their schooling. We see news much like our own. We see a thousand and one things that I'm guessing are so normal to you that you never stopped to consider that they're just the product of a culture and in no way innate to sentient life.
Fuck, we even see manual labour despite robots being so common.
Things would be more different than that. Even just having the "getting too upset or angry will summon monsters" part should change...so so much.
I don't follow the argument you're making here.
No. I asked if people would be okay with me breaking away from the canon. I asked that because, as several posts have shown, not everyone is. I'm not particularly interested in writing to an empty room, since I can enjoy the idea myself without it ever leaving my head. So no I don't think there's anything ridiculous about checking interest before devoting another couple hundred hours of my life to brainstorming and writing the thing.
Sure, but it's not a small list.
Starting off:
- Salem's stuff is going out the window. May or may not keep her and her merry band, but she's not the Grimm origin or ruler, just an old Grimm. So I mean no relics, no dark and light god (holy shit could they have gone more cliche?) and generally no ripping the villains directly from power rangers.
- Culture is different. Still hashing this out in a lot of ways, but the core is that if yelling at someone could get you both killed, the cultural pressure would make yelling at someone a serious taboo. Much like the cultural pressures in the real world have discouraged behaviour that had some historical risk to it. This is a hefty topic, but examples would include that people get upset over their team losing yet Remnant has the Vytal Festival and Tournament. Or that Nora was being bullied by a bunch of kids, despite their village being out where Grimm are a particularly big danger. I mean if seeing someone get killed is enough to cause the Fall of Beacon I think tormenting dirty orphans is a bit...
- Huntsmen and Huntresses are superheroes. They get treated like normal people. This makes no fucking sense. Nor does the Silver Eyes lineages being some hidden legend.
- Remnant medical tech can give us Ironwood, and Jaune survived initiation (which should definitely have a death toll) without a scratch so why the fuck is getting hit by a car meant to be bad for Penny?
- Ruby has Grimm models on her shelf. That's like the daughter of a serial killer's victim keeping models of said killer on their shelf. I bring this up not as an important thing to change, but simply to demonstrate how little thought seems to have been put into any of this shit.
This is not exhaustive in the slightest. I'm also not even going to pretend that I'll get close to what I'm aiming to do, not without the time investment I put into my serious world building stuff, and that's way more than is going into this fic.
As such, if anyone has any other such things to point out, now's the time.
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I think you could keep that and spin it into an interesting difference, if you wanted?
Like, a focus on studying the Grimm for early childhood, possibly. Wanting to make sure everyone knows the different dangers a Beowulf poses compared to an Ursa, in the same way we teach kids about animals through stories? So maybe having little stuffed Grimm would actually be sensible, as a simple visual for really young kids and then later as a storytelling tool for them to use? At the very least you want everyone to know the names and appearance of any local Grimm types.
In a single frame there was a Grimm at the dance in Season 2.
- There were no known repercussions for Yang trashing (an admittedly shady) a legitimate place of business.
- Yang an Ruby had a bunch a of friends that are never mentioned after the first conversation in which they do.
- Ozpin never gives a reason that he allowed Jaune in despite his obvious lack of combat skills in direct contrast to his transcript.
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Culturally speaking, it's really weird that someone who had family heirlooms presumably from a line of hunters wouldn't have had their aura unlocked? You'd think there'd be a focus on that kind of thing. I get not everyone getting it and it being a special thing but by the time you're going to a school for Hunters like, you'd think it would have come up? Maybe they expand on his backstory after Vol 2 but Jaune just seems confusing lore wise.
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
I have a patreon kicking around, but I believe this site has rules about advertising and links of that sort. In any case you might wanna see how it goes first XD
Probably not going to be following the main cast too closely. They're basically cadets/college students, and SG-1 would be more likely to meet the older folks.
Phasehand
Luker (May no longer be a Lurker)
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Oddly enough that list of issues you just gave has pretty much an exact duplicate of things I find annoying about cannon RWBY...
Still think it'll be interesting no matter how you change things and as such I'll at least be around here, probably not post much, but I'll be around.
Still think it'll be interesting no matter how you change things and as such I'll at least be around here, probably not post much, but I'll be around.
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They need someone utterly ignorant that would need an explanation of everything that even a Renmant civilian would find common knowledge. Jaune draw the short straw, but if he didn't the next probable victim of accute ignorance would have been the nice innocent Ruby.
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Actually having Grimm figurines and toys can be used to desensitize her to the Grimm. Which would be damn useful for anybody, because if you don't fear/hate the Grimm, they are less likely to find you if you are around them.
That seems a bit exaggerated. As far as we have seen in the show, a single annoyed person is not really Grimm magnet. A lot of angry/sad/fearful people are. So Nora being devastated might grab some attention, but thousands of people feeling betrayed, sad, angry because something impossible happened on their major holiday? That could get you an army of black monsters. Would that still change the culture? Absolutely. Artifical mood changers, a massive entertainment industry, increased tribalism and about a million other things and million possibilities. I'm pretty sure one of the first things to go in the wild were funeral services. Because nobody wants a lot of sad people gathered together.
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I get the Doylist part, but why make the guy who clearly has heirlooms and a family history of stuff that one?
Why not have Jaune just be some guy who cheated his way in and stole a weapon somewhere?
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Yeah, you can't write a plausible Remnant unless you throw out probably three quarters of the worldbuilding and ignore almost everything post-season 1. It's driven straight into the "interesting potential ruined by godawful execution" + "loved to the point of obsession by teenagers with bad taste who latch onto the worst elements and magnify them a hundredfold" abyss dominated by Naruto and Harry Potter. Strip that shit down and rebuild it into a functioning world-even if the seams are a little uneven, you'll hardly do worse than the original just by virtue of bothering to think about any of this at all.
It makes sense if you think about it from the perspective of RWBY essentially being RT trying to take an extended Monty Oum fight scene and cram hours of their bad humor and cliched storytelling into it as filler.
It makes sense if you think about it from the perspective of RWBY essentially being RT trying to take an extended Monty Oum fight scene and cram hours of their bad humor and cliched storytelling into it as filler.
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Personally I don't find Salem and everything associated with her disbelief breaking yet - but I also subscribe to the theory that There's a reason that Ozpin isn't fitting in with the themes of the story - he's supposed to be an obstacle.
When you are operating on the assumption that the fairytales are fractured truths at most the cliche of the light and dark god (contrasting with Taoist symbolism that notably doesn't deal with good versus evil) looks like plot opportunity. Or at least I hope that's what they're doing as Ozpin and company are a mess presentation wise.
But yeah if you want Ozpin and company to be non shady what you have is the way to go.
Out of curiosity will you also have Ozpin having credible leadership abilities?
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LGear
Secret Society BLANKET
I'm pretty much of the opinion that RWBY was at its best when it was just the Red/White/Black/Yellow trailers, which showcased Monty Oum at his best, and I generally enjoy fanworks of RWBY much more compared to the actual show itself.
Thus, I'm all up for making Remnant more comprehensive and better thought out, and overall less.... awkward.
My current feeling is that there's a reason Remnant is so similar culturally to Earth.
I did prefer Ruby's voice in the first episode, tho. After that it seemed to get higher and sqeakier.
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Forgot to make it clear in my post that I was thinking more of Salem
And things connected with her (relics, Ozimnati, especially the "dark" and light gods). All three of the first three volume's openings when listened in full are very... well concerning when it Ozpin. As are endings 2 and 3. So my response so far with Ozpin and Salem is - "huh, the really strange thing about the revenge imagery is that it's only revenge if something else happened prior".
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Worth pointing out the sword was his grandfather's (or possibly great grandfathers, I forget exactly who's), and that said individual was a soldier, not a Hunter. There is also no indication that any of Jaune's family after said ancestor was involved in any kind of profession that would include combat (at least not through season 3, I've not seen season 4 yet). It's not unreasonable to think the sword may have been passed down as something to remember the ancestor who used it, and that Jaune more or less lifted it from the mantelpiece. Along with that, if his family is lacking in combat training, that might explain them not really know about aura to realize it's a concern for their son going to Hunter school.
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Doesn't stargate have the that though with the ascended beings (Even if the ancients don't want to admit it)? The Ori being badguys while the ancients ascended are the goodguys (who fuck up a lot of the time)
Also what do you mean by ripping the directly from power rangers?
Pretty sure they were originally pissed that some crazy beacon student crippled some guy after they already stopped fighting then it got worse when they see a world famous champion cut some girl into literal pieces then find out (from some random voice) that the government has been hiding secrets and Ironwood apparently is trying to basically become a dictator and making a synthetic army against humanity. Even though we know that Cinder is speaking pure bullshit a random civilian wouldn't so hearing that city wide message would easily cause a panic.
Compared to that a little girl who is getting bullied doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Granted I did feel so sorry for Nora and wanted to smack those brats but they did end up being in the stomach (or whatever) of a grimm less than 24 hours later.
Err when do we not see that? I mean team RWBY, JNPR and everyone else we see in public are just students, people training to someday become huntsman. It's like someone training to be an athlete in the Olympics, they are training to one day become one of those legendary figures but they aren't yet. When Ruby meets Glynda she has a massive nerd out (granted this is Ruby)
Ummm Penny wasn't hurt at all. If your talking about Ruby then I think it was more about not wanting to get hit by a very fast vehicle (that also probably was carrying dust crystals!!) which no one wants to get hit by.
Also about the prosthetic/bionics pretty sure only atlas has that sort of technology, the only character we see with that stuff is Ironwood who is the highest ranking member of all of Atlas military and the headmaster of a huntsman academy. Could be wrong but if ironwood says that his arm was acting up and we have never seen hightech prosthetic limbs being a common thing then that means it's most likely experimental technology or a very new thing to Remnant.
I guess but (in a fucked up way) do you want to teach your children to feel scared or angry at the monsters in the night when it's common knowledge that negative emotions cause more of those fuckers to come around. Might as well teach them from an early age that grimm are bad and not have them freak out about it years later. It's like how some parents teach their kids about people dying when they are really young so they can just accept it and freak out about thinking about it. I know there was a star wars philosophy video on this- oh right now I remember
It was never once stated that they were a line of huntsman (a hunter is a hunter and a huntsman is a huntsman) that was just fanon so people could make an excuse up of making fanficitions about Jaune becoming a Gary Sue.
The sword belonged to his great-great grandfather who fought in the great war (which was before things such as huntsman/huntresses was a thing)
Or as we can guess he's an immortal spirit that body jumps whenever he's killed and eventually the boy (or possibly girl) changes their name to Ozpin. If each generation gathers the memories of the previous host then all those personalities would crush the new one or at least absorb it.
So some random guy before Ozpin died then jumped into his body, he had the same reactions as Oscar (though I don't think he was told "Hey you need to leave and now go to this place!" over and over again) then had the memories of the previous guy come in with him most likely getting the memories of the guy before him and so on until he is an amalgamation of all of them, change his name and then one day will die with the process happening all over again.
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I think you're making a mistake here - you're making it sound like you're going for a unifying culture where certain things and ways of behavior are taboo, either enforced or not, that notion was rejected during the Great War so, in my opinion, going for such a thing would be in error. Not everyone thinks the same, not everyone values the same things, not everyone cares to do something when another is in peril, not everyone thinks that something is taboo. Using a real example - the N-word. Even when it carries such a taboo in the USA, whites still use it plenty of times, heck Sophie Turner(Sansa Stark in GoT) is getting seriously shit on now for saying it in a video, not even as an insult. So it's still happening all the time. When trying to re-create the CULTURES, emphasis on the S due to different kingdoms, don't fall into the trap that all of the characters will have the same cultural values, taboo's and beliefs.
One super-powered being is Amazing, thousands of them? It's just mundane.
Most of the big cats, especially the tigers, would eat you if you encountered them in the wilds, that doesn't stop people from making cute and cuddly troys. Also? Do you really want to be afraid of grim if you know that it will get worse? It's a form of...shit forgot the word in English, sorry.