Itinerant: A Pilgrim Quest

Since I'm not sure how unusual it was for women to join arms with men as an integrated unit

Basically never.

And are shield maidens known to fight alongside men or separately? I think we're about to become one.

Shieldmaidens are not a thing - the closest thing to one I could find in sources was a mention of the wife of some king donning "men's garments" that is armour to push back against some foe. She was presented pretty witch-like, due to that.

In other words, what you did worked somewhat on the "refuge in audacity" principle. A woman going to battle like a man, in such a fashion as you did, did not, especially in the heat of the moment, register as scandalous (even though no one would ever think of it as proper) but rather as otherworldly. This probably warrants more talk, because it is one of those situations where I had to take refugee in some historical speculation, but I think that the issue is pretty interesting.
 
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I thought that was about the red-headed woman, what with the way Ulbert was talking about her earlier.

[X] [Ferocity] …stood with them until the end of the fight.

You might be right. He compared us to evil and being a swamp god.

I figured that him calling us a witch was just another colorful curse spat at us, but he did mention the maid as a women that had charmed him. My image of a witch would be one that was hag-like, so I didn't immediately associate the maid with being a witch when we might look the part more.

Although, the witch does disguise herself to be more attractive...
 
As said, this is a bit of my speculation here, but a noticeable theme in depiction of warrior-women in (early) medieval literature (or oral literature) is how they are closely associated with magic. In one of the tales of the Mabinogion (don't have the book on hand, can't say which) the hero runs against some of "witches" which are also expert swordswomen, and some warrior-woman-witches also pop up in stories about Cuchulain. Hervor, too, could probably qualify, at least if what my friend (who is actually familiar with the subject matter, unlike me) is correct. Finally, Joan of Arc is probably an example too, even if a very recursive one. I don't really know the particulars of her trial, so I can't really sieve historical myth from more solidly grounded historical representation, but the close association of her trial with witch trials (even if added post factum) does reveal a link.

If I were to hazard a guess, it would probably have something to do with the idea of a witch (note - the term can apply to, like, a billion different things) as a figure of transgression and violation of the world's order of things (which would merit further explanation, but it is late, and again, I don't have relevant sources on hand).
 
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My image of a witch would be one that was hag-like, so I didn't immediately associate the maid with being a witch when we might look the part more.

Although, the witch does disguise herself to be more attractive...
Protip: anyone can be a witch. While I don't think the whole "person I don't like is a witch!" is nearly as bad in this time as it was in early US History, it's still a thing that happened.
 
It's not surprising that nobody is quite sure what to make of us. Here we are, a mysterious young woman who appeared out of the dark in the middle of a swamp wearing torn and bloodied clothing who, when asked for her name gives the title of 'Little Lynx', insists on training with the boys for combat, reads about pagan idols out of some strange tome she carries, and has been seen talking in private with the red haired maid. Her appearance coincides with the feast of Saint Mavo and she claims to be a pilgrim.

Looking at it from their point of view is it any surprise that they think we are anything other than what we claim to be?
 
Shieldmaidens are not a thing - the closest thing to one I could find in sources was a mention of the wife of some king donning "men's garments" that is armour to push back against some foe. She was presented pretty witch-like, due to that.

There is the case of a british noblewoman defending her castle during one the civil wars (or maybe against the French?) without any serious backlash, though admittedly that is a few hundred years later. I also think that it is important to note that we can very likely argue "self-defense" for a lot of this fight which shouldn't be as abnormal as "offensive" fighting would be.
 
There is the case of a british noblewoman defending her castle during one the civil wars (or maybe against the French?) without any serious backlash, though admittedly that is a few hundred years later.

One of the Matildas, I think (bless you, Wikipedia). Note, however, that while she was leading the army and generally being a warmonger, she did not take to the field in person, or at least I could find no reference to that. Which changed the context of the situation in a pretty significant fashion.
 
One of the Matildas, I think (bless you, Wikipedia). Note, however, that while she was leading the army and generally being a warmonger, she did not take to the field in person, or at least I could find no reference to that. Which changed the context of the situation in a pretty significant fashion.

I was actually talking about Nicolaa de la Haye who defended Lincoln Castle till William Marshall came (which is how I know of her^^). And I am pretty sure that there are quite a few other mentions of women leading defences of castles etc. (but once again all later than your timeperoid, I think). The only offensive leadership on the battlefield I can remember is that of a duchess(?) of Britanny.
 
I was actually talking about Nicolaa de la Haye who defended Lincoln Castle till William Marshall came (which is how I know of her^^). And I am pretty sure that there are quite a few other mentions of women leading defences of castles etc. (but once again all later than your timeperoid, I think). The only offensive leadership on the battlefield I can remember is that of a duchess(?) of Britanny.

Ooh, did not know about her. Thanks! And yeah, there are several accounts of women presiding over sieges (mainly because they were the de facto leaders of the house when their husband was away, so there was a good chance that they were the ones supposed to resist). That's an established motif! I think there is one in Gregory of Tours, even.
 
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So, a short update today. Not much to say. The fighting is done. You are pretty beaten up. You stood fiercely. Which netted you some extra reward options! Joy. Update.


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Strong in your fellowship, no longer divided by treachery, you pushed back against the Armalings, and they could not oppose you. Soon, they were routed, and fled into the night, in utter disgrace, leaving behind their dead and their wounded; they would not trouble the house of Ulla for a long time.

To the end, you fought along with men of Ulla, arm by arm, in fellowship of warriors. To your right stood Gella, and to your left stood Gunthram, and they covered you with their shields, so that you would not be further wounded.

Then, the fighting came to an end. The dead were counted, and fighters assembled around Ulla the Hammer, who, through the grace of the Saint, had emerged victorious from this trial. But, as he had been eager to permit idolatry, the Saints had punished him thusly: he had suffered a terrible wound, by the hand of Ulbert: a sword was driven through his side, and split it open. For such is the way of the Saints that they punish us through the pagan and the wicked, permitting them to be a scourge on us, so that we avert our way and avoid sin.

But Ulla, being of great strength, did not submit to the wound, and presided over his warriors like a chief of old, from the times of the blessed king Otha, who first led the Liefs. And he divided between them the booty of the battle, and commended them for coming to his aid in time of need.

He elevated his nephew Gella, for he stood valiantly, and fought fiercely; by his hand, no less than three Armalings had met their doom. He also had the head of Ulbert separated from his body, so that it could be put on a display, and he also made it so that the heads of others who betrayed him would be treated in such a way. And at first he also demanded that those who fought against him, but switched sides when Ulbert was defeated was to be put to the sword as well, but at that the pious abbot Galen intervened, and pleaded for mercy and leniency. And Ulla was moved by his very eloquent words, and gave his pardon, merely demanding that they swear their loyalty to him again, which they all did, first among them Boso, and they cursed the name of Ulbert, for he was a provoker of strife. Thus was the unity of the house of Ulla restored.

You listened to all of it, and cheered with others; the fighting spirit had not yet left you at that hour, but as the tempers cooled, the toil of your wounds and your exertion weighed heavily on you; and you had to call on the red-headed maid to support you, so that you could stand, when Ulla called for you to make yourself presented before him, and when you did, he beheld you, and spoke:

"You stayed true to your name and fought no less boldly than any man. You stood against villainy for me, and shed blood for me. This, I will not easily forget, and you are always welcome in the house of Ulla; may those who call you witch and insult you be forever silent. And I thank you that you shielded my favoured concubine from savage blows, so that she emerged unharmed from the cauldron of slaughter. Now, it is very correct thing to do to reward loyalty, and to give gifts to one's guest, so I ask you to name the prize that you want, and it will be given to you."

Your mind was clouded as you listened to his words, but you were grateful for them none-the-less, and such commendation from such a great warrior filled you with a kind of pride you did not know before. But the wounds you suffered were heavy, and you knew you could not stand for much longer, and so you…

[ ] Asked to be given a shield, then fainted.

[ ] Asked to be given gold, then fainted.

[ ] Asked to be given the red-headed maid, then fainted.

[ ] Denied reward, then fainted.
 
He elevated his nephew Gella, for he stood valiantly, and fought fiercely
Now, what does he mean, 'elevated Gella'? The losses for the house of Ulla were terrible: Gelbert, Dagome, Ulla Jr. and Ulbert are all dead, and Ulla's only son is Ulrig who is pretty timid and weak. Gella is the only remaining kin who is noteworthy, but I am not sure what kind of reward he got. I doubt he was nominated as a possible successor of the clan over Ulrig, but you'll never know...

I don't know if it would be appropriate of us to ask for the concubine's life, but there is not a single action we took as of late that would be considered such. If Ulla was true to his words when he refused to submit to Ulbert's demands, then, even though she is his favorite, he can afford to part with her. And hey, we would be a weirdo from start to finish, so there is that. Consistency!

Now, what the hell are we going to do with a maid on a road...? :rolleyes:

[X] Asked to be given the red-headed maid, then fainted.

Slave companion get!
 
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Now, what does he mean, 'elevated Gella'?

Basically boosted his status a lot by giving him a very loud and elaborate commendation; this is not something I take from a particular source or tradition, but I think the closest equivalent would be Beowulf being adopted by Hrotghar (situation quite different, but still) after helping him.
 
Denied reward, then fainted.

It was our pleasure :D

Sorry, Red, but I don't feel that dragging you with us is a good choice. For you or us. After Ulla's words I'm leery of taking her away, and let's face it, we're terrible at staying out of trouble.
 
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She is dying in this house anyway. Ulbert already said she was dead inside, though he might have referred to her infertility. I think this would not be a worse choice for her, but it definitely makes our own path harder.

Again I must lament the loss of King's treasure. With it, we could have - in theory - settled her in a city or paid for the passage to her homeland, the Rosemary Island. As it is, we would likely have to walk there. But since we are determined to return the Rye-stalk...

Dunno. Tough choice.
 
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Quoting Ulbert, like anyone cares what he said :V

That's a joke ^^

As for Red, she may be unhappy, but she's also warm, and fed, and clothed, and those are all things not to be underestimated in these times. And before we go to Rosemary island we go to the city Step.

And we can't ask for her opinion either, which puts a bit of a damper on this choice.

I mean, I'd rather stick with pilgrim-ness and refuse the reward... But I can see how getting a girl can be appealing. As long as we don't ask for shield or gold, but I don't imagine this voter community would go for that.
 
[X] Denied reward, then fainted.

What sort of pilgrim comes back with more than she left with?

I sort of was tempted to go for asking for a shield, but we carry a lot for a pilgrim already.

Taking Red is unjust to her. A pilgrim does not have the ability to provide for another, and should not have that sort of tie anyway.

And practice silent reading while we're at it.
I dunno if spaces or punctuation have been invented to enable that yet. I mean, assuming the development of writing in the land of the Liefs and White Wall is roughly analogous to our own timeline.
 
I dunno if spaces or punctuation have been invented to enable that yet. I mean, assuming the development of writing in the land of the Liefs and White Wall is roughly analogous to our own timeline.

Probably not, although the technique might be there, to some degree - but it is not something that the MC could even realizes it even exists. You'd have to find a monastery or some other place where it is being developed/practised.
 
What sort of pilgrim comes back with more than she left with?
*checks out the bling*
*checks out the kewl weapon*
Um.
Probably not, although the technique might be there, to some degree - but it is not something that the MC could even realizes it even exists. You'd have to find a monastery or some other place where it is being developed/practised.
Le sigh. Guess we're doomed to freak out people around us by reading on inappropriate topics out loud :V
 
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