ISOT ideas

[ManuJM1997]

Not just their beliefs, the culture that formed in Polenesia did so because there were no dangerous animals to hunt or protect people from, and thus no hunter/warrior culture.
Who reaches it first isn't that important, who realizes it's worth fighting for first would matter some but colonies were traded back and forth multiple times (sometimes even peacefully) and the Abyss seems large enough to have multiple colonies around it from different nations (assuming none of them had enough force available to claim the entire area, however I think the discovery and eploitation of the Abyss would go in several stages:
1)Traders/explorers in the region would hear fantastic stories about it, and relay them home but they'd be taken as fantastical stories, no more belivable than any other tall tales.
2)Europeans find proof of the giant animals/birds (this will result in VERY different view of Polenesia by Europeans than the historical "island paradise" views.
3)Some European actually reaches it and brings back more belivable accounts of it and possibly some trophies.
4)Additional expeditions to explore the Abyss and bring back hunting trophies are launched, some more successful than others but none out of the belief there are any great riches (other than knowledge and fame) to be found there.
5)Some of the riches of the Abyss are discovered and more people start taking an interest in the area.
6)The great colonial powers decide to take over.

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First things first, gotta point out that creatures from the Abyss:

1) Don't seem to leave the Abyss, even the flying ones. The Abyss's fauna wouldn't really invade that of the rest of Polynesia, so I think it would be more like "Paradise with that one big spiky thorn"
2) Are going to be much more the ones doing the hunting towards the explorers than the other way around. In the scale 1 to 5 in terms of dangerousness that exists in the Made In Abyss world, even the ones in the 2nd-3rd categories treat steel as basically tissue paper and can shrug off somewhat big explosions. That obviously won't stop people from coming and trying to hunt these beasts (macho men culture and all that) and some may succeed, but the overwhelming majority I imagine would end up as snacks

With that said, I mostly agree with your layed out timeline. I actually had already thought of a 'detente' forming in island after some conflicts brought over ownership of The Abyss, each nation having a slice of the island upon which they build outposts and stuff like that.

That plus the incredible amount of people that would always steadily come to The Abyss in search of fame, fortune, purpose or even those simply that compelled by the mystery and desire for exploration will cause the island to be a ethnically and culturally diverse region.

Going forward into the 18th century, that may end up with the island trying to claim independence, who knows

(Although the existence of fanmade kickass flags for Made In Abyss makes me interested in the possibility)

 

[TheUnicorn]

1) Don't seem to leave the Abyss, even the flying ones. The Abyss's fauna wouldn't really invade that of the rest of Polynesia, so I think it would be more like "Paradise with that one big spiky thorn"

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Okay, that does change things a bit from what I was thinking, and push back the discovery of the Abyss considerably.

2) Are going to be much more the ones doing the hunting towards the explorers than the other way around.

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Yes, and? It took repeating rifles for hunters to achieve a favorable exchange rate against polar bears, this is more extreme, but I doubt the basic reaction will be any different.

but the overwhelming majority I imagine would end up as snacks

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If all the beasts there were that extreme, then you'll get things moving much faster, since the skin of such durable beasts would be (assumed to be) useful as excellent armor.

Going forward into the 18th century, that may end up with the island trying to claim independence, who knows

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Not likely. Given how difficult delving the Abyss is, the population of the Island does not seem like it would ever come close to self sufficiency, and would have enough military hardware to ensure everyone would be keeping their people on the island on relatively short leashes.

 

[ManuJM1997]

Yes, and? It took repeating rifles for hunters to achieve a favorable exchange rate against polar bears, this is more extreme, but I doubt the basic reaction will be any different.
If all the beasts there were that extreme, then you'll get things moving much faster, since the skin of such durable beasts would be (assumed to be) useful as excellent armor.


Not likely. Given how difficult delving the Abyss is, the population of the Island does not seem like it would ever come close to self sufficiency, and would have enough military hardware to ensure everyone would be keeping their people on the island on relatively short leashes.

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1. Yes, which is why I said people would still want to hunt them because that's just humans being humans. Just that until Relics start being used by Explorers to fight back, the creatures of the Abyss will have the clear upper hand, and so I doubt live specimens or trophies would be amongst the things exported that much

2. Obviously not all them, but once again, if this things are bulletproof (and they'll be for a long time) and treat steel as paper, then good luck trying to skin them

If we're talking about using the creatures of the Abyss for resources, I think that's most likely to happen for the non dangerous fauna and flora. Hammerbeaks, for example, are prime domestication material (not that bright, at least relative to humans, live in flocks, have delicious and highly nutritious meat, their skulls can be used as flint or cookwear and their feathers are good kindling) and I could see them being imported to other places, and as said possibly domesticated. There also things like Water Shrooms that have incredible medicinal properites (they could heal a botched amputation attempt, and can even heal close to death creatures)

3. Sure, but taking into account the different culture that would undoubtedly spawn there, and the fact that within 2 or 3 generations inhabitants of the colonies could be more loyal to each other than to their home country, even if they're from enemy nations would help foster an indepence sentiment. Even if not to full blown independent nation, I do feel the colonies around The Abyss would be given some more leeways that say the ones in America

 

[TheUnicorn]

1. Yes, which is why I said people would still want to hunt them because that's just humans being humans. Just that until Relics start being used by Explorers to fight back, the creatures of the Abyss will have the clear upper hand, and so I doubt live specimens or trophies would be amongst the things exported that much

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This assumes that all flora and fauna in the Abyss is that dangerous, which doesn't seem to make sense. Also I think you're greatly underestimating what can be done with 17th century technology.
No one developed armor piercing bullets until they needed to, but there's no reason they couldn't. Also the use of smokless powder and high explosives in war was greatly delayed by the need to figure out quality control that would work on the massive scales military needed it to, for the relatively small scale this sort of operation would need I'd expect to see them showing up much earlier than historically.

2. Obviously not all them, but once again, if this things are bulletproof (and they'll be for a long time) and treat steel as paper, then good luck trying to skin them

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If it's dead skinning it might be time consuming and annoying ,but not really that difficult even if you need to use diamond saws to do it.

If we're talking about using the creatures of the Abyss for resources, I think that's most likely to happen for the non dangerous fauna and flora. Hammerbeaks, for example, are prime domestication material (not that bright, at least relative to humans, live in flocks, have delicious and highly nutritious meat, their skulls can be used as flint or cookwear and their feathers are good kindling) and I could see them being imported to other places, and as said possibly domesticated. There also things like Water Shrooms that have incredible medicinal properites (they could heal a botched amputation attempt, and can even heal close to death creatures)

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Broken link, but from your description sounds reasonable.

3. Sure, but taking into account the different culture that would undoubtedly spawn there, and the fact that within 2 or 3 generations inhabitants of the colonies could be more loyal to each other than to their home country, even if they're from enemy nations would help foster an indepence sentiment. Even if not to full blown independent nation, I do feel the colonies around The Abyss would be given some more leeways that say the ones in America

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No, that's not how it would work. You seem to have forgotten a number of groups involved, each with it's own culture:
1)The Polenesians in the islands around the area. These would be the ones primarily supplying the food and other basic supplies the colonies need. These would likely have a relationship with the colonial powers similar to historical, possibly even better since the abyss would distract the more greedy idiots.
2)The people actively and directly involved in extracting resources from the Abyss and their immediate support structure. These would be the people you were talking about forming a unique culture, however given the worth of the resources being extracted and the danger involved I doubt many of them would choose to retire and raise a family there.
3)The military supporting the efforts and watching the other militaries. These would be either troops from the home nation serving for a while then going elsewhere, or possibly colonial officers with sephoy type troops, either way they won't be part of the Abyss delver culture and if they have any families in the area, they'd be on some other island and being accultured to the general polenesian culture, not the Delver culture.
4)The secondary support structure, these would likely become a port city with all the mixing of culture that involves, but most of them will be transient so won't be interested in claiming independence.
5)Smugglers, spies etc...

The actual Delver culture will likely remain too small a group to claim independence, and will have too high a turnover rate (especially if it's as dangerous as you suggested) to form a desire for independence.

That said, if the colonial powers maintain a balance with none able to oust the others, it's likely the region will become a de-facto independent nation ruled by a sort of "council of governors" consisting of all the governors, military commanders and other high ranking officials the colonial power send to the region.

 

[ManuJM1997]

This assumes that all flora and fauna in the Abyss is that dangerous, which doesn't seem to make sense. Also I think you're greatly underestimating what can be done with 17th century technology.
No one developed armor piercing bullets until they needed to, but there's no reason they couldn't. Also the use of smokless powder and high explosives in war was greatly delayed by the need to figure out quality control that would work on the massive scales military needed it to, for the relatively small scale this sort of operation would need I'd expect to see them showing up much earlier than historically.

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Not a wrong assumption. Once again, the very Edge of the Abyss and the First Layer, the tamest and relatively safest place, already has giant carnivorous spiders and birds that are already pretty goddamn tough, and the deeper you go, the more cunning and dangerous the creatures get. There are outright predators that can for all intents and purposes see the future. The creatures from the Abyss are much, much, much more dangerous than any Megafauna that you could find anywhere else in the world.

As for technology, it would certainly improve and be made and remade to try and help in expeditions, stuff like that's already been done in Made In Abyss. But I doubt it'll ever come close to the technology of the Relics, and various monsters of the Abyss can fight equally against said Relics, so again, it'll be difficult.

Broken link, but from your description sounds reasonable.

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The people actively and directly involved in extracting resources from the Abyss and their immediate support structure. These would be the people you were talking about forming a unique culture, however given the worth of the resources being extracted and the danger involved I doubt many of them would choose to retire and raise a family there.

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2) Do you remember what I mentioned earlier about The Call Of The Abyss? Yeah, almost all people that travel to the Abyss are most likely going to end up staying there. The Abyss is numerous times stated to incredibly easy generate addiction, obsession or outright madness in a lot of the people that come to it, and that even people thousands of kilometers away can feel that 'call'. People that end up having families will most likely end up having it there because otherwise would mean to leave The Abyss.

I don't know if I'm getting across the point, maybe without watching the anime it can't be easily understood, most I can really say is that The Abyss is addictive as hell, most people that enter it's grasp will never be able to leave it

That said, if the colonial powers maintain a balance with none able to oust the others, it's likely the region will become a de-facto independent nation ruled by a sort of "council of governors" consisting of all the governors, military commanders and other high ranking officials the colonial power send to the region.

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This is what I was mostly talking about really

 

[TheUnicorn]

Not a wrong assumption. Once again, the very Edge of the Abyss and the First Layer, the tamest and relatively safest place, already has giant carnivorous spiders and birds that are already pretty goddamn tough,

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The question isn't are there beasts that are so dangerous no one could survive them, the question is are there creatures that aren't that dangerous - which from your descriptions the answer seems to be Yes. Adding to that high value from some plants and other resources and even the very edge will have people going there for riches.

But I doubt it'll ever come close to the technology of the Relics, and various monsters of the Abyss can fight equally against said Relics, so again, it'll be difficult.

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Granted.

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Nope.

2) Do you remember what I mentioned earlier about The Call Of The Abyss? Yeah, almost all people that travel to the Abyss are most likely going to end up staying there. The Abyss is numerous times stated to incredibly easy generate addiction, obsession or outright madness in a lot of the people that come to it,

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Then they'll become addicted or go mad and won't have any part in whatever functional culture develops. They certainly won't be raising families.

and that even people thousands of kilometers away can feel that 'call'.

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Do you mean people who entered the Abyss can hear the call from thousands of miles away? Or that the Abyss can call people who never got closer than thousands of miles? Even the former would have massive effects, and pretty thoroughly ruins the time line I proposed, the later would mean a major religion would form centered around it, probably around 2000BCE, if not earlier.

If the former applies than polenesians will have been scavanging resources from the edges of the Abyss for millennia by the time Europeans come to the area, which will have a significant effect on both their culture and available technology. And before you repeat the point about how dangerous the beasts there are, I get it and the Polenesians won't be able to make weapons that let them fight the beasts, but I said scavenge, and I meant scavenge, after a beast is killed by something they'd pick up some scraps, or they'd sneak around to get some valuable plants, etc...

 

[ManuJM1997]

The question isn't are there beasts that are so dangerous no one could survive them, the question is are there creatures that aren't that dangerous - which from your descriptions the answer seems to be Yes. Adding to that high value from some plants and other resources and even the very edge will have people going there for riches.
Granted.
Nope.

Then they'll become addicted or go mad and won't have any part in whatever functional culture develops. They certainly won't be raising families.
Do you mean people who entered the Abyss can hear the call from thousands of miles away? Or that the Abyss can call people who never got closer than thousands of miles? Even the former would have massive effects, and pretty thoroughly ruins the time line I proposed, the later would mean a major religion would form centered around it, probably around 2000BCE, if not earlier.

If the former applies than polenesians will have been scavanging resources from the edges of the Abyss for millennia by the time Europeans come to the area, which will have a significant effect on both their culture and available technology. And before you repeat the point about how dangerous the beasts there are, I get it and the Polenesians won't be able to make weapons that let them fight the beasts, but I said scavenge, and I meant scavenge, after a beast is killed by something they'd pick up some scraps, or they'd sneak around to get some valuable plants, etc...

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1) Fair

2) Now?

3) I feel TVTropes explains it the best

One of the most subtle, but ever-present, horrors of the Abyss is one of sheer compulsion. Everyone knows the Abyss is dangerous. Everyone knows about the creatures lurking down there. Everyone knows about the Curse. Hell, every single delver is expected to die down there, to the point that a delver's "last dive" is seen as a natural conclusion and celebrated...and it's probably no mistake that orphans are trained as delvers, rather than kids with blood family who will miss them. Yet people just won't stop diving into the Abyss. No delver is shown deciding "Nope, that was too close for comfort, I'm taking my profits and opening a bakery." They cannot resist diving until the Abyss finally takes their life. Friendship, family, maternal instincts, and even self-preservation are nothing compared to the pull of the Abyss.

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And people that live thousands of miles away from the Abyss, as long as they know that it exists, feel the same compulsion.

It affects the main character Riko, her late mother Lyza, her adoptive uncle Habolg and every single experienced Delver we meet in the series too. And that doesn't stop them from forming families. The aforementioned Habolg lives pretty happy with his wife. It's just that his love for the Abyss is greater, and if it comes the day when he must choose, he'll probably choose the Abyss. Just like Riko's mom did.

 

[TonedMite]

ISOT Earth-16 to the Koprulu, just before the start of Starcraft I?

 

[ManuJM1997]

Anyways, a second idea I have regardings ISOTs and Made In Abyss is kind of a reverse of my first one: instead of ISOTing the Abyss somewhere, instead of places and beings are ISOTed inside The Abyss (well, an enlarged version of it to better fit various ISOTs)

Starting over 2000 years before canon, the ISOTs occur, all through the 6 first layers and the surface, both fictional and historical (although most historical would occur in the surface, since adding OTL cities or people inside the Death World of the Abyss is kinda incredibly cruel), ending after a 100 years, when the world of Made In Abyss proper discovers the Abyss.

1900 years later, The Abyss and the city of Orth are now worldwide famous just like canon, but very heavily change and shaped by the ISOTs that happened. Thanks to the long time passed since the ISOTs and the various dangers and disasters that would have happened, a lot of people and other beings not only consider Ortha and The Abyss their home, but believe it to have always been their home.

 

[dasherdancer]

ISOTing Springfield or Quahog to the real world would be interesting, if only to see Principal Skinner, an ACTUAL Viet Vet, react to Trump and Biden who got out of going.

 

[TonedMite]

ISOTing Springfield or Quahog to the real world would be interesting, if only to see Principal Skinner, an ACTUAL Viet Vet, react to Trump and Biden who got out of going.

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To be fair to Mr. Biden, he does (did?) have asthma, which would disqualify him at least from frontline service.

 

[HelioA]

Something that I think would be pretty interesting is to ISOT modern-day Vienna to 1915. I don't know how the social aspects would play out exactly, but the military aspects of that front (presumably) just totally collapsing, and the ensuing chaos, seems pretty interesting to me. The city itself would be important, of course, but I don't think that it would be a total curbstomp towards everyone else, considering that Austria doesn't really have a large army, and most of that army wouldn't be in Vienna. The more important contribution would be scientific knowledge, but it would take at least a little while for that to gear up.

 

[Neal Caffrey]

Howdie! I have had an idea for a TL in which a few alchemists from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood are inserted into our world, the problem is I don't have a clue where they would have the most interesting role to play so I come to this thread to ask what do some of you think that would be he best time for them to be ISOT.

Note: I would like it if it was before the 1900s but every idea helps.

Edit: the alchemists Alchemist

 

[ManuJM1997]

Howdie! I have had an idea for a TL in which a few alchemists from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood are inserted into our world, the problem is I don't have a clue where they would have the most interesting role to play so I come to this thread to ask what do some of you think that would be he best time for them to be ISOT.

Note: I would like it if it was before the 1900s but every idea helps.

Edit: the alchemists Alchemist

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This actually already happened in the 2003 anime

In it's finale, it's revealed that the FMA world and our oen are parallels, with the POD in the FMA one having been, well, that Alchemy actually worked.

Ed ends up being transported throught The Gate towards our world, ending up in 1923 Munich. He even meets up with Fritz Lang and is witness of the Beer Hall Putsch.

 

[Neal Caffrey]

This actually already happened in the 2003 anime

In it's finale, it's revealed that the FMA world and our oen are parallels, with the POD in the FMA one having been, well, that Alchemy actually worked.

Ed ends up being transported throught The Gate towards our world, ending up in 1923 Munich. He even meets up with Fritz Lang and is witness of the Beer Hall Putsch.

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Well I had something in line more akin to, alchemy actually works in our world now that they are ISOTed and what are the ramifications for example I had the idea that maybe the ISOT could be to the Spanish colonies when they are rebelling and the revolutionary wars go very differently and for example the end up being quite powerful countries because they become alchemical powers.

But yeah I didn't know that's what happens in the original anime have yet to watch it but still thank you for telling me!

 

[King Washington]

Howdie! I have had an idea for a TL in which a few alchemists from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood are inserted into our world, the problem is I don't have a clue where they would have the most interesting role to play so I come to this thread to ask what do some of you think that would be he best time for them to be ISOT.

Note: I would like it if it was before the 1900s but every idea helps.

Edit: the alchemists Alchemist

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I made a threat with the premise of Amestris along with the Fire Nation from ATLA getting ISOTed to Earth, specifically to the Northwestern United States and South Pacific.

 

[TonedMite]

On that topic, an ISOT of A:tLA into the real world, or some portion of RL earth into the A:tLA universe, or something else in that vein.

 

[TheUnicorn]

Something that I think would be pretty interesting is to ISOT modern-day Vienna to 1915.

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I'm not sure even the military aspects would play out that way. Yes Vienna is gone, but how much of Austria's military relied on Vienna? On the other hand they just got handed thousands of incredibly fast, very efficient motor vehicles, and those would be very valuable to the military in WWI. Then you have computers that could crack any code anyone used in seconds and produce codes usable in the field that no one could break, radios no one could listen in on, etc...

There's a lot of militarily useful material in any modern city, and the farther back it gets pushed the more useful it becomes (but also the more difficult to replace). and that's before anyone opens the history books that came back with Vienna.

The big issue, as usual, would be the politics and culture clash. If the uptimers join forces with downtime Austria I think that they'd provide a significant military boost to Austria, if they oppose the down time Austria they could do significant damage. The question is, whose in charge with Vienna gone?

 

[Neal Caffrey]

I made a threat with the premise of Amestris along with the Fire Nation from ATLA getting ISOTed to Earth, specifically to the Northwestern United States and South Pacific.

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Ohh thanks I read it and the ideas thrown around were pretty interesting, but I had the idea of putting the story in the 19th century as there would be a lot of departures from OTL, the consequences of certain events can be better cuantified and I also don't have to touch contemporary politics which is nice!

I also was thinking about sending the alchemists with Francisco de Miranda in his filibuster expedition or to a italian state during the Napoleonic wars.

On that topic, an ISOT of A:tLA into the real world, or some portion of RL earth into the A:tLA universe, or something else in that vein.

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That sounds quite intersting as there is a lot of leeway as to how one would interpret the bending powers and maybe have creative uses for them, for example I had the idea that in the modern world water and earth benders are huge on the oil industry as they could replace a lot of machiney and fracking would never even be considered as that oil would be extracted anyways.

 

[HelioA]

I'm not sure even the military aspects would play out that way. Yes Vienna is gone, but how much of Austria's military relied on Vienna? On the other hand they just got handed thousands of incredibly fast, very efficient motor vehicles, and those would be very valuable to the military in WWI. Then you have computers that could crack any code anyone used in seconds and produce codes usable in the field that no one could break, radios no one could listen in on, etc...

There's a lot of militarily useful material in any modern city, and the farther back it gets pushed the more useful it becomes (but also the more difficult to replace). and that's before anyone opens the history books that came back with Vienna.

The big issue, as usual, would be the politics and culture clash. If the uptimers join forces with downtime Austria I think that they'd provide a significant military boost to Austria, if they oppose the down time Austria they could do significant damage. The question is, whose in charge with Vienna gone?

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Well, the main reason I was thinking that Austria would be pushed back during the first few weeks is because of the total collapse of any kind of unified command. I know the Austrian commanders weren't exactly competent, but I could still see their disappearance leading to the Russians and the Serbs pushing on their respective fronts, especially considering that, at least in early 1915, those two were seeing significant successes against Austria.

As for how the situation would end up after the initial mix-up... I'm not sure either haha. There are two ways I could see it going. With most of the political establishment gone, Vienna is able to negotiate on even terms with the army commanders, who would probably be the last remaining authority for the country as a whole. Knowing that most of their soldiers probably wouldn't be thrilled to fight a war against their own people, they agree to split the country along ethnic lines, with Czechoslovakia, the Slavic states, and possibly Austrian Poland as well being released as their own countries. Austria-Hungary becomes a constitutional monarchy under whatever noble was outside of Vienna at the time, and Vienna and Budapest remain co-capitals.

The other option is that the powder keg goes boom even harder this time. Negotiations collapse, and the 1st Army is recalled from the Eastern Front to bring the capital back into the fold. However, the modern technology and troops that Vienna brought back with it is easily able to push it back, but the battle turns the conflict into an official civil war. Nobles all across the country gather in Budapest to officially make a declaration against the city, and armies are pulled back from all fronts, with the Germans contributing as well. The Viennese are able to form an alliance with the Slavs however, and this causes many of the soldiers in the multiethnic Austrian army to defect. Seeing weakness, the Allies swoop in, and countries in the region rush to join them. The Serbs start an offensive into Bosnia, Italy is able to break through on the Isonzo and seize South Tyrol, and Rumania joins the Allies and start an offensive into Hungary. Not wanting to be one-upped, Greece joins the war on the Allied side as well, after extracting promises from Britain and France that they would receive Smyrna and its environs. The Bulgarians, still sore after the Balkan Wars, are unwilling to join the Allies, but neither are they willing to join the Central Powers, both because of the knowledge from Vienna about how that would result for them, and because they had no desire to face off against every other Balkan nation again. However, not all is lost, as the Austro-Hungarian loyalists, Germans, and Ottomans, desperate to prevent yet more troops from going against them, present the future history of the Middle East to the Arabs, causing them to go against the British in this timeline. But as the months tick forward through 1915, the future of the Central Powers looks more and more grim.

Alright, how'd I do?

 

[TheUnicorn]

Well, the main reason I was thinking that Austria would be pushed back during the first few weeks is because of the total collapse of any kind of unified command. I know the Austrian commanders weren't exactly competent, but I could still see their disappearance leading to the Russians and the Serbs pushing on their respective fronts, especially considering that, at least in early 1915, those two were seeing significant successes against Austria.

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I suppose that could happen, but there are going to be plenty of general officers outside Vienna to take up the slack, and even with the excessive micromanaging by politicians and general staff thatthe telegraph allowed, I doubt that was extensive enough to result in an immediate, or quick collapse of the front. It would definitely result in communication problems between sections of the front, at least for a while but the Serbs would need to be very quick and lucky to take advantage of that.

The other option is that the powder keg goes boom even harder this time. Negotiations collapse, and the 1st Army is recalled from the Eastern Front to bring the capital back into the fold. However, the modern technology and troops that Vienna brought back with it is easily able to push it back, but the battle turns the conflict into an official civil war.

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I seriously doubt there will be many (or possibly any) soldiers in Vienna with modern weapons, and find a Vienna taking a unified stance like that even more unlikely. Keep in mind that whatever Vienna does as a whole it must do it within three days or less, after that if they can't present at least an obvious plan to the population, the lack of food and electricity will have people rioting and running off to the countryside. Even with a plan some people will disagree and decide to leave.
If the plan has all the countryside around Vienna working with the people in charge that won't be a significant issue, if they're not, it will be.

 

[dasherdancer]

The Third Doctor and UNIT HQ from "Doctor Who" to our world two days before the Clinton/Trump election?

 

[HelioA]

If the plan has all the countryside around Vienna working with the people in charge that won't be a significant issue, if they're not, it will be.

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Hmm, maybe it would be more interesting if we ISOT parts of Lower Austria as well? That would give them some more of the military as well, so the army command in Vienna would actually have some troops to, y'know, command.

 

[TheUnicorn]

Hmm, maybe it would be more interesting if we ISOT parts of Lower Austria as well? That would give them some more of the military as well, so the army command in Vienna would actually have some troops to, y'know, command.

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I think having just Vienna transported would be more interesting in general, although the more area you transport the more urgent the food and issues become, and the more obvious that something happened will be to people on the other side of the Austrian lines, so if you have a story idea where those are essential (like the original idea) that might work.

 

[HelioA]

I think having just Vienna transported would be more interesting in general, although the more area you transport the more urgent the food and issues become, and the more obvious that something happened will be to people on the other side of the Austrian lines, so if you have a story idea where those are essential (like the original idea) that might work.

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure that literally every single spy in the region is going to be running as fast as their legs could carry them to report that Vienna just magically disappeared, even if it is limited to the original city

But honestly, I'm not seeing massive food problems coming out of this (although there'll certainly be problems with electricity). Vienna in 1915 had about the same population as it has today, so it's not like it'll result in a total collapse- there just has to be some minor shifts in how business is done, and probably some rationing as well for a bit. Nothing too major, compared to if it was thrown back to say, 1000.

The main reason I think it might be more interesting to include parts of Austria is because of the aforementioned electricity issues- I would like for the Viennese to have at least some kind of power supply, so that they could have negotiating power with the Austro-Hungarians, and it's not just " and then they marched into Vienna and took everything there and murdered the Allies immediately".