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Is the Imperium of Man about to die?

Hykal94 said:
I don't trust GW to do religion properly. The best portrayal of religion is in Flight of the Eisenstein but knowing Big E is a complete monster and the fact it's never really addressed in the HH makes me side-eye it. I could see them having more radicalised parts of the Imperium ala WH50k. I haven't been entirely happy with how the Echlesiarchy has been covered, at all.

Radical Inquisitors? Oh yeah, just steal from Text to Speech Device and have a bunch of em' storm the Golden Throne. It'll probably work.

With how disappointing the latest Eldar novel was, I'm just waiting for GW to find writers who actually gives a damn about xeno factions.
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And the Custodes didn't impaled them on the spot why? TTS Custodes are amusing, quircky people, cannonical Custodes are remorseless killers whose single order is to protect the Emperor.
 
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Sabertooth said:
And the Custodes didn't impaled them on the spot why?
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I'm pretty sure there was a battle between Tempestus Scions and Custodes at some point with the Scions dying to the last man because of course they would. I believe it was in the Beast Arises series.

Anyway Cypher almost got into the Throne but Guilliman stopped him at the last minute. It's not entirely impossible.
 
All the Primarches realize that they need to be reborn to regain the strength to forge a new Imperium and end up becoming FemPrimarches from Warhammer High 40K
 
Fingers crossed so we can have some actually interesting factions replace them!
 
The imperium being 5 minutes away from falling apart has been the status quo of warhammer 40k for nearly 25 years, to one degree or another.
 
Imagine Imperium collapsing, but for the dumbest reason possible. Like, some tired bureaucrat accidentally pressing some ancient button that instantly triggered the dissolution of the Imperium of Man, and everyone else was so stupid that they just went with the flow.
 
Suzu said:
Imagine Imperium collapsing, but for the dumbest reason possible. Like, some tired bureaucrat accidentally pressing some ancient button that instantly triggered the dissolution of the Imperium of Man, and everyone else was so stupid that they just went with the flow.
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That makes no sense. The High Lords of Terra, the Custodes, the Ministorum, wouldn't just press a button to make that happen. There's Guilliman and Dante holding the place together. Why would either of them make that happen? Another civil war may be possible, but Guilliman purged Terra really damn good already.
 
Hykal94 said:
That makes no sense. The High Lords of Terra, the Custodes, the Ministorum, wouldn't just press a button to make that happen. There's Guilliman and Dante holding the place together. Why would either of them make that happen? Another civil war may be possible, but Guilliman purged Terra really damn good already.
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Because it's funny.
 
Hykal94 said:
Why?
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Well, the way I see it, Imperium is like an old withered husk of something that used to be far greater, and they don't necessarily understand some stuff from the previous eras because they're so backwards, so them triggering their own dissolution by a mistake because someone somewhere found an old button and pushed it without much thinking is funny to me.

I do not consider this to be a likely (or even possible) course of action for the franchise; it's just something I personally said as a joke.
 
Suzu said:
Well, the way I see it, Imperium is like an old withered husk of something that used to be far greater, and they don't necessarily understand some stuff from the previous eras because they're so backwards, so them triggering their own dissolution by a mistake because someone somewhere found an old button and pushed it without much thinking is funny to me.

I do not consider this to be a likely (or even possible) course of action for the franchise; it's just something I personally said as a joke.
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I mean, if you think entire planets being consumed by daemons and orks and nids and necrons funny, sure. I like the Exterminatus joke as much as the next guy, but at least it makes sense.

There is actually a button in which if turned on, will detonate Holy Terra. This will of course, only happen when the Emperor dies. The Astronomican dying is very much the end of the Imperium, which mean if it does happen, it'll only happen when sales go bad.

And even if that does happen, well there's still Primaris and Cawl's experiments and the Imperials just finished a 100 year Crusade which by all accounts, is a success. If anything, the Imperium is stronger than it's been. Half of the Mechanicus planets being besieged by necrons notwithstanding of course.

So no, it will not die just because some bureaucrat in the Ministorum pressed the wrong button.
 
Hykal94 said:
I mean, if you think entire planets being consumed by daemons and orks and nids and necrons funny, sure. I like the Exterminatus joke as much as the next guy, but at least it makes sense.

There is actually a button in which if turned on, will detonate Holy Terra. This will of course, only happen when the Emperor dies. The Astronomican dying is very much the end of the Imperium, which mean if it does happen, it'll only happen when sales go bad.

And even if that does happen, well there's still Primaris and Cawl's experiments and the Imperials just finished a 100 year Crusade which by all accounts, is a success. If anything, the Imperium is stronger than it's been. Half of the Mechanicus planets being besieged by necrons notwithstanding of course.

So no, it will not die just because some bureaucrat in the Ministorum pressed the wrong button.
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It was never a serious assertion, just a minor joke. Why are so dramatic all of a sudden?
 
Wolf359 said:
I've never been able to find any definitive sources, but is the emperor really pure evil? Is it ever really addressed as to what his character really is? Not that I'm necessarily doubting you, I'm just curious.
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It's the genocides, Wolf.

Suzu said:
It was never a serious assertion, just a minor joke. Why are so dramatic all of a sudden?
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I mean, if you came into a 40k thread, discussing lore, don't be surprised if people respond to it.
 
Wolf359 said:
I've never been able to find any definitive sources, but is the emperor really pure evil? Is it ever really addressed as to what his character really is? Not that I'm necessarily doubting you, I'm just curious.
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The Emperor is the hardest man to ever hard man in a genre filled with hard hard men. Emerging in a horrific wasteland earth after a series of horrible apocalypses he set about "helping" humanity by uniting first earth and then every human colony (regardless or not if they were fine as is) in the stars he could find, under his absolute control using armies of generically engineered super soldiers (who ranged from at best brutal but honorable killing machines to horrifying and sadistic monsters) , killing every alien and mutated human he came across as well as anyone would not surrender to his obviously perfect and great rule.

By literally any conceivable metric he was horrifically evil.
 
The next setting update will reveal that everything you know about the setting is true... but highly skewed by the Imperium in order to justify its own repressive existence. Tyranids? DAoT biotech that enables anyone to engage in Anarcho-Tyranidism and threaten the IoM's foundations. Chaos? 90% just random people labelled as such to other them and 10% people infected by self-reinforcing memetic brainworms. The Orks? Capable of forming complex, peaceful societies when not attacked and in places the Imperium wants to colonize. The Tau? Trotskyists.


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The whole point of the Imperium is that it's just about to die. The setting is (was? the new stuff sort of defeats this purpose imo) literally 'unmanageably vast empire is on the verge of collapse, everything is 60 seconds to midnight, all the secret plans are going off at the same time, all the super weapons and ancient doomsday devices have been activated, the secret orders have revealed themselves and space mega-hitler is about to break out of hell.' If GW were publishing a novel series the Imperium would die at the end of the story but they're not. They make a tabletop game so the Imperium will never die, forever frozen on the brink of destruction. And that's a good thing.
 
Wolf359 said:
I've never been able to find any definitive sources, but is the emperor really pure evil? Is it ever really addressed as to what his character really is? Not that I'm necessarily doubting you, I'm just curious.
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i strongly dislike the emperor

but i dont consider him evil perse
i consider him a mentally fucked up sociopath

there is a difference,emps mindset of ´´mankind above all´´ makes him willing to commit atrocities towards other people without sweating as long it aids mankind
think of something like this



he does this every day by the millions and for him is another day in the office
he is space hitler as much as he is space jesus

never understtod why the fandom try to portrays him as the most moral person that has ever existed
 
armentho said:
never understtod why the fandom try to portrays him as the most moral person that has ever existed
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You may be new here, but we had a topic already discussing this. I forgot which thread it was, so someone else could link it. No it's not Sympathy for the Heretic, but something else.

Either way, genocide is in itself evil. Being a immoral psychopath is evil. He is evil by our standards and even the standards of 30k. This really is not up to debate.
 
Hykal94 said:
You may be new here, but we had a topic already discussing this. I forgot which thread it was, so someone else could link it. No it's not Sympathy for the Heretic, but something else.

Either way, genocide is in itself evil. Being a immoral psychopath is evil. He is evil by our standards and even the standards of 30k. This really is not up to debate.
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The reason is quite simple
The emperor is awesome

He is god in earth with giant guns and giant armies that has come to save us of all from the foreign barbarians hordes

The emperor as figure pushes all sensible points of human tribalism and caudillism mixed with raw awesomeness

But people dont like the idea of supporting hitler on steroids,so they try to rationalize emps as totally not evil

And could anyone be so kind of sharing me the thread link of the discussion on emps?
 
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