If You Love'er So Much, Why Don't You Mari'er? (Battletech) (Mature)

Isolation isn't going to serve the MU for much longer, I think, that leaves them vulnerable to suffering a campaign of attrition by pirate "auxiliaries", and "pirates", as various factions are pointed at the more vulnerable MU worlds by Com* as being ripe for raiding. The losses among such patsies would only help Comstar's campaign to degrade military capabilities, or force useful agents into dependency for support.

By starting to engage in trade with carefully chosen Periphery and IS partners, more resources would presumably be gained to help strengthen the industrial complex, and supply more goods and machines for the less developed MU worlds. Plus, get access to contacts and wealth to hire mercenaries to provide a swift and flexible boost in military strength. Offer mercenaries great access to maintenance facilities, spares, overhauls, restoration of lost capabilities of their equipment, in their contracts, and most would likely go above and beyond the letter of their contracts to maintain a relationship.

If the MU managed to gain the attention of one of the "White Hat"/SLDF legacy mercenary groups like Eridani Light Horse, Blue Star Irregulars (iirc), they might be inspired to sign up to protect a star nation that has such potential, and that rejects the predation paradigm of raiding and conquering for resources.

The primary factor governing any plans for opening IS trade, would be the pool of available of Jumpships. There's previous information about the jump routes, and the frequency of traffic, but these would seem to have been "legacy" and pirate/trader craft that have been collected, and not new-builds. The previous information would be around a decade or more old, though, and it would seem that enough orbital/space/ground infrastructure exists to maintain and overhaul small craft/aerospace units, dropships, and jumpships. There's an implication/possibility of low-rate, prototype, or "one-off" production though, to replace losses, and modest expansion of certain classes of vehicles and infrastructure.

So, even with a shipyard still under construction in Alphard orbit, there could be enough "surplus" hulls and spaceframes to venture beyond MU borders as more than a token effort. I suppose it's possible to have gotten some hulls from Auximite Providence for domestic traffic/internal communications, that could free up conventional JS for "foreign trade"- definitely don't want to show something "exotic" to the IS factions, they WOULD come looking. Plus the Auximite JS don't fit with "conventional" JS/DS usage practices/infrastructure, and thus not suited to external trade....

The FWL being as fractious as it is, there are probably regions/factions that could be engaged with, without attracting negative reactions, though the issues over "ownership" of Alphard as pertains to FWL law remain. Though, those businessmen that got ripped off, are still business men at the end of the day, and being offered their erstwhile partner for extradition, along with some trade deals might put that to rest.

The Lyrans I think would be relatively safe, but awkward to access, with long turnaround, initially at least. Ditto for the Fed Suns, but traders based in those nations traveling in their own hulls could manage. The nearer Periphery between TC, CC- Magistracy of Canopus, the various star-statelets (like Auriga), don't offer all that much as trading partners, I think, though the MoC could leverage their medical technology/expertise some? The State-lets have so little, they certainly would want to be customers, but don't have much to exchange... They would need development aid, but MU is occupied with its own "poor" worlds.

The Capellans wouldn't be a good idea, the more they'd learn about MU's wealth and infrastructure, the greater the impetus to conduct some covert probes/raids to see what could be "pried lose".

The Taurians might be the best bet, as one of the most industrially developed Periphery nations, plus relatively little capability for being "adventurous". Not sure what the travel times would be like...
 
The Taurians might be the best bet, as one of the most industrially developed Periphery nations, plus relatively little capability for being "adventurous". Not sure what the travel times would be like...
Alphard to Taurus is 603 light years in a straight line. Realistically, it'll be more than that though, because you can't travel between them in a straight line. Actually making it between the two of them could take upwards of 35 weeks without a pony express or command circuit.
 
Alphard to Taurus is 603 light years in a straight line. Realistically, it'll be more than that though, because you can't travel between them in a straight line. Actually making it between the two of them could take upwards of 35 weeks without a pony express or command circuit.

Thought it might be that way... Having isolated themselves so thoroughly, MU would have to build up transport networks from scratch, with all the attendant investments required... And as I speculated, prospective trading partners all seem problematic to one extent or another...

At least MU's isolation requires significant investment in time and/or transportation assets to overcome, for potential adversaries, and gathering those assets will cause reactions in one way or another, that could have unintended consequences
 
Chapter 39 (March 2979 - April 2979)
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Zenith Jump Point, Alphard System
Marian Union, Antispinward Periphery
March 2979


The jump ended, and with it what mild nausea had afflicted Precentor Wellings subsided as well. Placing his hand on the microphone stand at the helm of his jumpship, he used it for a quick voice test before turning it onto the general channel for the jumpship and its docked dropships. "All hands, ready for launch! We fight in the name of blessed Bla-!"

There was a vicious rumbling sound and a sharp pain in his abdomen, where he was secured to his chair. He could feel his harness rubbing back and forth against him at high speeds - a sign he hadn't adjusted it properly, but even moreso…

"Damage control, full report!" he demanded.

A few moments later, a panicked voice resounded back over the intercom. "We've lost the back half of the Light of Terra! The jump core has been severed!"

Sweat beaded on his brow. "Was it a misjump?"

"N-no, Precentor!" the call came back. "It was there a second ago, but… a foreign object struck us moments after our arrival. It was an enemy missile!"

"Those blasted barbarians! Heathens! Fuckers!" Wellings cried, clawing at the air with his hand. The residents of the system couldn't possibly have fired that missile and then missed and hit the jumpship. There wouldn't have been travel time if they'd fired after they could attempt to hit a dropship. There was only one explanation for the strike: they had launched stationary missiles the moment they saw the jump signature form and set them to aim for the center of that, in the hopes of scoring disabling hits before the battle started.

These savages had actually made the decision to risk the destruction of the jumpships if it meant disabling their dropships.

Gritting his teeth, he cast his hand out wide, and yelled into his microphone. "All hands, immediate launch! Show these faithless barbarians the power of our conviction! Show them the wrath of Karpov!"

"Precentor." his comms officer called back from where she sat before the console. "Reports of damage from four friendly jumpships. No response from the remaining three. Only Toyama's Vision reports no damage."

"What of their associated dropships?"

"All carrier dropships report green."

Grant Wellings permitted himself a cautious smile at that revelation. "Then we shall show them our conviction. Issue my command directly to the dropships while necessary - all vessels are to immediately initiate Operation Vengeance! Moreover, Toyama's Vision must be defended at all costs until they are able to rejump - news must reach the First Circuit of what we've found here!"

He really shouldn't have made a pun out of this plan name, but how was he supposed to resist? What else could one call something as righteous and lavish as casting over three hundred of the Star League's finest aerospace fighters into the void in retribution for a cowardly blow?

Perhaps it wasn't so necessary to get a ship out to call home after all - certainly, if they were all to die in this dark and distant place, a message would have been sent. However, it was only by way of a courier that they'd still be able to inform the most enlightened minds of the sheer depths of depravity they had found here. Precentor Simms and Primus Takami needed, at all costs, to be informed of the monstrous character of these 'Marians', such that they could ready the WarShip arm to reduce them to ash!

Such was the Precentor's conviction as a man of faith.

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Precentor Jonnels gazed down at the security footage for but an instant, and his blood instantly froze in his chest. "Nighthawks. Their boarding marines are wearing powered armor. The fighters disabled so many of those boarding shuttles, and yet… the one or two which pierced the envelope came bearing the powered armor of the Star League itself?"

"Precentor, your orders?"

He glanced over to Sub-Precentor Nielson with a cool dread in his eyes. "Get the damned Tornadoes out to the affected areas immediately. Back them up with ordinary marines if necessary. In fact, send anyone you can get into a suit! Do not let them reach the engineering section, or there will be hell to pay!"

They'd come here out of concern for the possibility that a dangerous industrial power was emerging, and he could see now that one was, indeed, emerging. It would require too much of a coincidence to assume that the shuttles which reached them were the only ones which carried powered armor troops - the ones that were destroyed or disabled, they also had to be carrying augmented marines.

Though it was only one thing thus far, there was now solid evidence that the people of Alphard - of the Marian Union - were producing not just some manner of military machinery, but genuine lostech.

No wonder the wretched mercenaries had died here.

"Engineering team, communications team!" he called out. "Barricade yourselves in your compartments if necessary. Hold out for as long as you can. We must survive to jump out, or else our masters will have no way to know of our wider victory or defeat on this day!"

If only this operation had been carried out with the full resources of the Explorer Corps, they could have prepared a Direct Reciprocal Unmanned Message chain to deliver information automatically. The damned fool of an old man, Mars… he was responsible for this. It was his fault for not being trustworthy, for raising the stakes of this mission so much!

As always, it was lacking faith which worked to obstruct the will of Blake.

Precentor Jonnels would simply need to strengthen his own faith enough to deflect vibroblades if he wanted to make up for it, judging by the images still marching along the path of the security cameras. How strong did faith need to be to do that, though?

He couldn't recall the relevant scriptural miracle by its specific wording at the moment…

Ah, well. Armor was better for swords and bullets anyways. He turned his gaze to the Sub-Precentor before he got away. "...And while you're at it, prepare equipment for the bridge crew."

"Yes, Precentor."

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Zenith Jump Point, Alphard System
Marian Union, Antispinward Periphery
March 2979


Paul relaxed the throttle for a second while he jerked his stick to the right and back, gradually diverging from the head-on approach with the enemy dropship as the thrust accumulated. There wasn't a snowball's chance in hell he was getting within weapon's range of an Achilles like that - his Dragonfly II was a light dogfighter at its core. With just two large lasers and, flat out, five and a half g of thrust, the reworked Canopian job would get scrapped in a second, increased armor or no.

All he could do now was trust in the modded Air-to-Air Crockett to find its way home while he switched games to its escorts. Though there was some slim chance that the abbreviated limpet systems would successfully get the physics unit in blow the dropship from the inside, it wasn't actually his job to see the thing scrapped. The strike fighters behind him had that work.

Seconds later, his sensors alerted him to the luminescence of an external detonation - it was to be expected, when your missile could only drill through the weakest points imaginable, that you'd have more duds than successes - and he turned his attention toward the big, bad Ironsides that was squaring up to pass him by and go after the inbound Stukas.

Recognition systems said the thing was carrying a boatload of old Royal tech, but it was plain to see that it was pearls before swine in this pilot's hands - anyone with actual battlefield experience would have noticed him whirling to get on their six, and in a naked-assed fighter like the Ironsides that meant death if they didn't respond. Or…

Paul rolled his eyes, chiding himself for the basic logical error. That was it, wasn't it? The modifications the eggheads had made to the base Dragonfly frame to unify its engine model with that of the Lightning meant that this kid didn't realize they were out-paced yet, even if they had an inclusive rec guide that included the extinct design. In the little world in their head, their fighter had the armor lead, the speed lead, and the firepower lead, so they didn't need to worry about a little bug.

Paul shoved the stick forward all the way once his nose was pointed the right way, luxuriating in the feeling of getting slammed back against his chair. Ah, this really wasn't a damned thing compared to centrifuge training or flight in a high-g trainer. His flight suit gave him a nice, enveloping hug and all was more or less well in the world.

As the pilot of his prey panicked and flipped their own thrust up to full, Paul couldn't help but let out a choked laugh into the cockpit. "That wasn't it, kiddo. You needed to flip around here."

Saying that into the emptiness of his cockpit, he waited for the distance to close a bit before letting off his first volley of shots, lasers invisibly streaming into the void around the rookie as he closed the gap. In not too long, he'd need to let off for a bit - match thrust, rather than exceed it - in order to give himself a breather, but for now he was okay.

He had time to scratch out this twenty something amateur before they figured out how to fight in the void.

Secret was, without aerodynamic forces, you could just spin in a constant trajectory. Can't shake your enemy? Just do a little spin with main thrust off. It was like jousting at that point - the pursuer would either need to break off or commit to a heads-on exchange at that point, and for all his meager greatness, Paul wouldn't win that fight if he stuck it out.

Ah, to be young and stupid.

Some time later, his firing circuits and heat management system advised him that he was ready for a second volley, the kid still not having realized what game they were playing, and he loosed it, having had ample time to line it up. "Dumbass."

The two bolts struck true against the aft of the fighter, converging on a point just besides the bell of the main thruster and the thing shone a hell of a lot brighter for a second before cutting out, its fuel lines cut and converted to engine rich exhaust.

"Vajra-6, splash one IRN-SD1b.". Paul angled off of the poor bastard and glanced at the tactical overview radar. In a large battle like this, the sensitivity was damned low to avoid a situation where the thing went completely white, but he could still get a sense of it.

The stitched together sensor data seemed to indicate that while he'd been off in wonderland, the strike squadron had silenced the Achilles itself, and this small area of the fight had closed for the moment.

He gave himself the luxury of a more complete tactical readout for a moment, before wincing and narrowing it again. As expected, that was still a fuckload of fancy birds out there, and not all of them were turkeys. To be expected, since it wasn't christmas or his birthday.

He gave another furtive glance to his squad indicator. He was still a failure of a wingman, but more importantly, Wells and Greenhill were marked off too. That left just him and the command flight out of the squad, even if the overall wing was still mostly fine thanks to the sacrifices.

As someone who'd been held in reserves during the boarding action of 2970, he'd carved the memory of that raid into his head and prepared all of this time to pitch in when something big happened, but he'd never expected anything quite this big.

The enemy was incompetent, but they had the numbers and the grade of metal to make it uncomfortably even. These outlanders had brought six air regiments to fight three, and despite their worst efforts it was looking like they might even achieve some of their goals in defeat.

No breakthroughs. That was the mission the garrison fleet had accepted when it was expanded over the last decade. It was a critical - some might even say holy - mission. The reason was simple - even a lone small craft could carry the munitions needed to crack the nascent Alphard Renaissance Shipyards, in their incomplete state. They'd die horribly after or, perhaps more likely, before they did it, but they still had the potential to put a fatal amount of joules into machinery that had taken a decade to build, and would take another decade to truly complete.

They simply all had to die here. A fighter could be forgiven - it would never reach the planet with its pilot alive anyways - but not one proper vessel could leave the jump point under its original crew's management.

At the current rate, that wasn't going to happen.

The radio crackled as a broadcast began to fight the heavy jamming, before delivering a voice loud and clear. It was the garrison's commander. "Attention all crafts. Cease capture protocol and take stations for annihilation protocol. Repeat, all crafts…"

Ah, that would do it. Paul circled back to give support for the new operation. Thanks to the drop tanks he'd carried at the start, he still had plenty of his original tank of fuel in reserve.

Calling an end to capture protocol meant one thing - the boarders had done all they could, whether that meant they'd taken the ships they'd set out for or they'd been defeated - and the superheavy strike craft were going to begin their part of the work: the delivery of the enhanced Alamos they were carrying directly into the guts of the enemy ships.

As he made his way back at a breathable 1g, he couldn't help but nod. At the end of the day, an aerospace fighter would never be a strike bomber in the same way a Patrol Boat could. Even the largest of their birds could only deliver one or two of the proper shipbreaking missiles before switching to guns - the most purpose-tailored small crafts could manage more than there were fingers on a hand.

They'd taken plenty of losses today, and they were going to take plenty more, but if they were progressing the fight to the full scale usage of tactical-grade missiles, there shouldn't be any viable skeet left to attempt a breakthrough when all was said and done.

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In Transit, Alphard System
Marian Union, Antispinward Periphery
March 2979


Junior Sub-Precentor Janet Brayburn folded her hands against her forehead and rocked back and forth. This was a humiliation. It was a great and horrible failure. It was an affront to Blake's blessed will.

Such cowardice did not befit those who bore the righteous duty of enacting destiny. Who was she to have lead her craft away from the action, when so many hundreds of her compatriots were dying, burnt and blasted, at the hands of these dishonorable heathens?

A warrior's duty was to fight. Why wasn't she? Just because her vessel happened to be a bit faster? Just because of some piddly little orders?

She understood the rationale behind it, but the act of leaving them all to die still stung her even a week later.

Even of those ordered to attempt the breakthrough, none outside of her crew still drew breath. The other assault boats had one and all been shot down before they reached beyond reprisal range.

The true folly of all this was, there was no guarantee she would be able to do anything when she got there. Why would the planet itself not also be guarded? More and better than her had given their blood to bring her to this point - what could she do if even a third of the forces present at the jump point were duplicated at her all-too-close destination?

The thermonuclear devices in the hold of this vessel were simple gravity-type bombs for planetary saturation - and the complement at her disposal was nowhere near sufficient for that. Moreover, they were meant for suborbital use only - they would never survive reentry in a state capable of useful detonation.

Would she be able to deorbit into their operational range?

Perhaps.

"Brayburn." her sensor operator called irreverently, turning his head toward her. "You'll want to see this."

She rose from her seat with a sigh. "What is it, Desmond? Have they already gathered themselves to strike us down where we float?"

The older gentleman scratched his chin, smiling with only his mouth while his eyes fell sullen. "...Not exclusively that. Look there."

He pointed, on his magnified screen, to a cluster of sensor pictures depicting something massive in orbit. It was long - incredibly long, but fast approaching being wider still as the stack of enclosed cylinders under construction to one side and the shorter stack of gantries to the opposite end attested to.

Janet covered her mouth in shock. For someone with even a lick of worldliness, it was plain to see that this thing was an orbital shipyard complex - and one not for dropships but for jumpships at that! For the construction of jumpships, rather than maintenance! Those cylinders were unmistakably core foundries. The gantry nearest to the center of the structure was even occupied by a partial vessel!

"Do you have an estimate as to the displacement of that drydock?" she demanded, before pinching her forehead. "Rather, do you have a positive ID on the ship in that drydock?"

"Negative. The thing is completely absent from our database." Desmond denied, waving his hand around. "However, the large cluster of engine bells at the back makes it clear that the thing is intended for more than just stationkeeping flight. That would mean one of three things - these heathens are primitives, these heathens are fools, or these heathens are attempting to construct WarShips."

"Much as I would like to think it only the former two, that seems incredibly unlikely given the circumstances, and in any case I must react as though it were the latter." Janet grumbled, her pulse pounding away in her chest. "Helm, reorient for a strike run against the shipyard complex. We're going to use our munitions - ourselves if necessary - as kinetic impactors to disable the thing."

Helmsman Zaffigan shot her a dubious look. "At this distance and velocity, the chance we'll hit them with anything is basically nil. Reorienting our vector to that thing without slowing enough for them to shoot us down sounds like hell. You're really feeling reckless today, aren't you?"

"Dead women have no need for recks." she joked, waving her hand around. "Fear is beyond us at this point. There is nothing left but a mission we've been charged by the divine with carrying out. Keeley, ready the bomb bay to launch all munitions. Armed on a time fuse, so that in the event of a miss we might at least harm any exposed cores."

The youth chirped in the affirmative immediately. "Right-o. You know, though, there's only so much you can do to put one of forty dumb fired, shotgunned out bombs hit, right?"

"Which is exactly why we're going in ourselves if they all miss. At least if they shoot us down, we might leave some fragments too large for their anti-meteorite equipment to handle. Our final meal will be the victory of the righteous." she declared with finality.

"Right." the young woman agreed. "Just laying that out there."

Junior Sub-Precentor Brayburn indicated forward to her hand - although she actually meant 'adjust angle and execute a high-g burn' by context - and called out with righteous fury. "Forward, ye righteous, ye faithful. Operation Vengeance is yet unconcluded! Forward in the name of Blake!"

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Comstar First Circuit Compound
Hilton Head Island, North America, Terra
April 2979


"They have failed." Primus Takami concluded, massaging the side of his head. "Or they have succeeded as martyrs. One way or the other, they are assuredly lost to us. Would your sister have been pleased by such results, Sims?"

Karl narrowed his eyes at the new Primus. "Certainly not. If there were some battle-worn stragglers fresh from the battle, holding high the tattered banner of victory at all costs, Adrienne may - if only for a moment - have known some peace from the terror of her visions. Such a result as this would have brought her no solace."

The younger - though by no means young - man seated behind the ornate desk leaned back in his chair, his face somewhat red. "Naturally. And of course, that voluminous assembly of squabbling children will think no better of it. What a mess the first month of my administration has become. To one side, an entire supplemented brigade of the Comstar Guard and Militia dead in Alphard's bleakness, to the other, the wild dogs of the periphery scraping at the hull of a battlecruiser in the hopes of finding that only one small, replaceable part has failed. All we can hope for is that they, barbarians that they are, manage to break it before the Capellans arrive for it."

"Or when they arrive for it." Karl noted. "In any case, I doubt the ship will last through whatever number of back-and-forth battles it would hypothetically take for some side or another to diagnose the damage fully. Most likely, the rimward-spinward states will all exhaust substantial forces chasing after a hull which none of them will ever truly commission into service."

"Which is all well and good, except that it doesn't regain me any of the political capital I've lost!" Primus Takami declared, rising back to strict, rigid verticality in his chair. "Already, I am spoken of as the 'Primus of Defeat' - as a fool who has squandered and compromised the power of the Order on two different occasions. For what? For having been unable to change what my predecessor set in motion untold years ago? What fault do I have in the madwoman's sending our finest out to die in droves."

Karl slapped his hand down on the desk, blood pressure rising at the insult to his sister. "What does their death tell us other than that sending them out was not mad? A polity unworthy of the act would not have buried them all."

"If they had been worthy of the act, they would not have been buried. If the attack had been better planned, better provisioned - if it had been more subtle and more flexible in its execution - we may have acquired some testament of victory. If she was hoping for such a blunt instrument of an attack to work, she should have send an entire division - and far sooner than a decade after the start of planning."

"ROM does not - nay, did not have an entire division in the Comguards!" Precentor ROM protested. "Besides which, even allowing so many forces and such a massive use of hindsight - such a massive and rapid movement of forces would have been impossible to conceal, rather than simply difficult. To do so would have utterly compromised the illusion of our neutrality!"

"...I know." Yin agreed, his eyes cast out to the side. "However, that does not make this easier for me. This debacle has debased the Comguard, it has debased ROM, and it has debased me. Only that old man you feel so much contempt for, Mars, has come out of this clean thanks to your cutting him out of the loop. Surely you understand that something must be done to mend this situation, before I am hit with a vote of no confidence and my position is given to such a non-believer."

Karl shuddered. "I think you exaggerate a bit. The First Circuit would not elect from outside of their numbers. However… they may well call to elevate his post to it, if things degenerate enough. I…"

Karl paused. Primus Takami sighed. "I came into this term with such dreams of reforming the degenerate state of the First Circuit, but it seems my destiny is to see the cancer inside of it metastasize further for reasons beyond my control."

The intelligence man bowed deeply. "I will accept sole responsibility for these failures in front of the assembly. As the immediate executor of both operations, and the one who handled most of the planning, they should be willing to rightly displace the blame from you to me. Assuming they have any intentions other than to oppose you, as all reasonable people should."

"I thank you for your sacrifice, Precentor Sims." Takami hissed, leaning against his desk. "For fucks sake, they went out in the Explorer Corps' livery…"

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So this chapter is about...2000 words short of my usual target, and I'm not really that confident in it, but it's a lot better than my original mental image of the aftermath of the last chapter - an immediate second timeskip.
 
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So I'm guessing no-one managed to escape and this is just an insinuation made from the fact that they sent a battlefleet into Alphard without a battlefleet coming back out?

I'll be honest it was a bit difficult to parse what actually ended up happening with regards to these scenes. Boarding parties, attempts to flee, an attack on the shipyard. If they were meant to end ambiguously until the next update though, then mission accomplished I guess?

Edit: I suppose I'm a bit frustrated because this would be the second chapter in a row with an ambiguous or cliffhanger ending where the only thought I'm left with is 'can't wait for the next chapter!' except I don't really think you need to rely on weekly TV show tactics because it's a great read anyway ya know?
 
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So I'm guessing no-one managed to escape and this is just an insinuation made from the fact that they sent a battlefleet into Alphard without a battlefleet coming back out?

I'll be honest it was a bit difficult to parse what actually ended up happening with regards to these scenes. Boarding parties, attempts to flee, an attack on the shipyard. If they were meant to end ambiguously until the next update though, then mission accomplished I guess?

Edit: I suppose I'm a bit frustrated because this would be the second chapter in a row with an ambiguous or cliffhanger ending where the only thought I'm left with is 'can't wait for the next chapter!' except I don't really think you need to rely on weekly TV show tactics because it's a great read anyway ya know?
I had absolutely no idea how to write this chapter. If I had, it would have been the full length.

Actually, that AN at the bottom of the chapter there undersells it a little - the entire last two chapters were fairly recent additions to my story outline. In the original concept of the story, things were going to skip this entire decade plus change and you were only going to learn about this attack in hindsight, which just turned out to be a bad idea for some fairly obvious reasons.
 
I had absolutely no idea how to write this chapter. If I had, it would have been the full length.

Actually, that AN at the bottom of the chapter there undersells it a little - the entire last two chapters were fairly recent additions to my story outline. In the original concept of the story, things were going to skip this entire decade plus change and you were only going to learn about this attack in hindsight, which just turned out to be a bad idea for some fairly obvious reasons.
Thats totally fair, then I'm glad for what we've got! I don't mind the time skips too much, and I think they are a great way to get the story where you want it to be while allowing stuff to happen quickly in the background and give us big jumps in tech/society etc, but I also enjoy reading just about everything you put out so I'm happy either way haha.
 
I think the last two chapters were very good and I am eager to see what the damage was in the end. Though I hope the Marians kicked ass and come out of this stronger.
 
Sooooo do they manage to destroy the shipyard or not?

Tune in next time, to find out! :whistle: ✌️)

Wow, that was super messy! I really hope the shipyard survived at least in a repairable condition, or that some critical modules were salvageable. I fear though the last ditch ROM Forlorn Hope managed to carry through. Maybe there was a Heroic Sacrifice made by an Alphardian that saved the complex in a salvageable state?

If nothing else, after such a direct and aggressive assault, the MU would have most likely been put on a war footing, which might concentrate enough industrial effort to reduce the time for restoration/rebuilding.

Whatever the outcome, even among the more positive scenarios, I expect it would be necessary to engage military and merchant marine contractors for stronger defense and commerce carrying capacity. "Right now" it would seem they have "just enough" capacity to sustain their economy, industry, military, education, etc; even expand it to an extent, but the great majority of that capability is centered on Alphard...

They have to establish some nodes in the other systems, but they have to be "hard" enough to resist raids at least.

This is one of the only stories that comes to mind where a faction has an "open" adversarial relationship with Comstar - where Comstar has no leverage via its control of HPG services, and Comstar's aggression wasn't disguised by a false-flag operation...

I really want to know what, if any, significant salvage or captures were made.


Edit: I was just re-reading, and was reminded of how this is actually developing into something of a religious conflict, between the Marians with their techno-philosophical quasi-religion, and the hard core Toyamists/Blakists/Karpovists of Comstar.

Hmm, so long as ROM contains and/or is controlled by the fanatics, I suppose there isn't much chance that the First Circuit will step back from open conflict with the MU, or tone it down to a tense adversarial relationship. Even without the hardliners/extremists, Comstar couldn't just leave the MU alone, but this confrontation has nearly achieved memetic levels of poor planning and overreach. And absolutely, thoroughly, left no possible doubt in the MU's gonverment's collective mind, that Comstar is a significant, even existential, threat. Braaaavo.
 
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They have to establish some nodes in the other systems, but they have to be "hard" enough to resist raids at least.
Not with jump physics the way they are. Distribution works on planets, but not the kind of specialized industry you need for critical components on an interstellar scale. If anything I'd expect further centralization.

I do expect some craziness in terms of mobilization, like an ATGM in every home, but the important things, like ASHMs and fighters would be centralized further. We haven't seen lower tech usage of defenses, like cruise missiles but that's because people haven't been making it to the ground. Maybe that will change?
 
Not with jump physics the way they are. Distribution works on planets, but not the kind of specialized industry you need for critical components on an interstellar scale. If anything I'd expect further centralization.

I do expect some craziness in terms of mobilization, like an ATGM in every home, but the important things, like ASHMs and fighters would be centralized further. We haven't seen lower tech usage of defenses, like cruise missiles but that's because people haven't been making it to the ground. Maybe that will change?

Significantly increasing the arming of the general population doesn't makes that much sense, in my opinion. If the battle devolves to the ground-side to such an extent the general population is being called to arms, things are very, very, bad, and the critical military-industrial-educational nodes have already been destroyed..

The Marians have already shown that they have a "Taurian" mindset when it comes to deploying nuclear weapons in defense of their nation, and even if Comstar doesn't get any intelligence on what the MU deployed, and employed in the battle, it does have some idea of what would be required to defeat the force that was sent. I don't doubt that nukes, even heavy city killers, possibly "Planet Busters" recovered from SLDF stocks would be in the arsenal of the next significant force to be sent.

Allowing the enemy to get into orbit, let alone land on Alphard, strikes me as an incredibly bad idea. Especially as it would allow more direct targeting of critical nodes... Especially an opportunity to land knockout blows with nukes.

The MU can't allow themselves to turtle up, or concentrate all possible forces in the Alphard system either, that would lead to the destruction of the MU's political cohesiveness, in my opinion.
 
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The loss of this many Comguard/ROM units will have interesting implications going forward. Considering the poor quality of the troops involved the future Comguard/ROM units won't benefit from that experience and it will take time for them to develop it. The loss of hardware will also be hard to replace in the short-term. Yes, they have large stockpiles but how much effort is being put into maintaining them? Yes, BT hardware is very robust but even it need maintenance and it will take time to refurbish enough replacements.
 
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Maybe they could? Just spit balling, there's a point where the number of chemical ramjet powered cruise missiles can defeat a landing attempt cheaper than whatever the required force of fusion powered ASFs. Especially for worlds without things to defend in space. Concentrating space capable assets in the systems that need it might be attractive, and a swarm of cruise missiles is still a significant investment in defense for an undeveloped world.
 
It also sounded like the Tripitz was recovered by the TC because the fighters were occupied or already destroyed and ComStar couldn't put together another force that could do the job. Probably losing another significant force of fighters and their pilots.
Edit: I'm looking forward to seeing what the TC manages to figure out with the data from the Tripitz combined with info from the Vandenberg.
 
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Maybe they could? Just spit balling, there's a point where the number of chemical ramjet powered cruise missiles can defeat a landing attempt cheaper than whatever the required force of fusion powered ASFs. Especially for worlds without things to defend in space. Concentrating space capable assets in the systems that need it might be attractive, and a swarm of cruise missiles is still a significant investment in defense for an undeveloped world.

Point one, the Marian UNION is a political entity composed of a number of planets. Alphard cannot be seen to monopolize increased defensive resources without backlash, even if Alphard itself could theoretically/practically survive without them. Especially because such worlds, should they be invaded, or secede, would provide forward bases for prospective ComStar operations. So, there certainly needs to be some reinforcement of at least the capitals of the other regions, to keep possible dissatisfaction over Alphard protecting itself to a greater degree than its members as low as possible. Even if strategically it might be more advantageous to do so. In a hypothetically "real" nation, such less-than-optimal are often required...

Point two, even with the relative limited capabilities available to ComStar or other aggressors for planetary assault and (sub)orbital strikes, interception at the jump point, or in transit at ranges or vectors unlikely to offer even limited chance of viable ballistic launch trajectories, is by far the better option, so long as one has the forces available for such intercepts... It's just so much better to keep the enemy away from the planet in the first place, even if you'd have fancy toys to make a planetary assault a disaster. Especially if there's a chance your opponent might possibly be so inclined to war crimes. Like "salted" nukes.

Now, I don't think the MU (or its core families) actually believes (or knows) that there are ComStar factions fanatical enough to pull out the 1st and 2nd SSW party favors given enough "provocation"/incentive, depending on what Alphard finds among the wreckage, but MU's Alphard defense doctrine has always been to keep potential enemies away from Alphard, or any other planet, as much as is feasible. I assume we'll see if that changes, in what way, and to what degree, in the next installment...
 
It also sounded like the Tripitz was recovered by the TC because the fighters were occupied or already destroyed and ComStar couldn't put together another force that could do the job.
Edit: I'm looking forward to seeing what the TC manages to figure out with the data from the Tripitz combined with info from the Vandenberg.

It's "dead in space", also way out in the depths of space, AFAIK. There's no way to recover it without either building a facility around it, or pushing it to one established in a more convenient area, but I think it's in an uninhabited system as well. So absolutely NO infrastructure, or planetary industrial resources to create it.

Certainly, a lot can be learned by boarding, surveying, and inspecting it; without going to the effort of moving it, or building/bringing significant support facilities in. Beyond jumpships and dropships. Also beginning to dismantle it, to perform reverse engineering elsewhere.

Alas, such a prize would hardly go unnoticed, as it has already come to pass. And where the Capellans are showing up, it's likely the Federated Suns won't be over-long in sticking its oar in. Especially if the First Circuit decides stirring the pot of Inner Sphere and Periphery tensions is to their advantage. Providing a distraction to occupy eyes and minds that might otherwise stumble over hints of ComStar's efforts to prune back a center of technological, scientific, and industrial renaissance.
 
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It's "dead in space", also way out in the depths of space, AFAIK. There's no way to recover it without either building a facility around it, or pushing it to one established in a more convenient area, but I think it's in an uninhabited system as well. So absolutely NO infrastructure, or planetary industrial resources to create it.

Certainly, a lot can be learned by boarding, surveying, and inspecting it; without going to the effort of moving it, or building/bringing significant support facilities in. Beyond jumpships and dropships. Also beginning to dismantle it, to perform reverse engineering elsewhere.

Alas, such a prize would hardly go unnoticed, as it has already come to pass. And where the Capellans are showing up, it's likely the Federated Suns won't be over-long in sticking its oar in. Especially if the First Circuit decides stirring the pot of Inner Sphere and Periphery tensions is to their advantage. Providing a distraction to occupy eyes and minds that might otherwise stumble over hints of ComStar's efforts to prune back a center of technological, scientific, and industrial renaissance.
Unless it was dead for lack of a single spare part the just didn't have 'in the middle of nowhere '. The TC might very well be able to get it moving at a nice slow 15 light-year jump pace before something more critical breaks.
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scraping at the hull of a battlecruiser in the hopes of finding that only one small, replaceable part has failed. All we can hope for is that they, barbarians that they are, manage to break it before the Capellans arrive for it."
If the TC and CC do get into a scrap the political consequences might change everything in the area. The current Protector is much more reasonable than her son, if its Zarantha Calderon, and might be in a position to reduce the hostility with the FS if she is facing a war with the CC. Hell, her son might even decide that the Perfidious Davions might be the spawn of Satan, but the CC is the greater immediate threat with their direct attacks. Add in the potential for other states to go through their territory and salvage old warships that were previously 'unsalvageable'. Then ROM/others targets them and there are a lot fewer warships for the war against the Clans.
 
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Comstar be like: "The Star League must be reformed!"

Comstar also be like: "Fuck dammit!! Somebody (who isn't us) might reform the Star League!"
 
Comstar be like: "The Star League must be reformed!"

Comstar also be like: "Fuck dammit!! Somebody (who isn't us) might reform the Star League!"
Comstar: "Star League was the best time period. We should try to go back to those times."

Somebody: "Look it is a viable heir to the Cameron line."

Comstar: "Kill it like the rest before it can tell us what to do again! We will never go back to being just another governmental department!"
 
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