Higurashi/Umineko no Naku Koro Ni Discussion Thread

On a WTC related note, I'm thinking of trying a Lets Read of Umineko here on SV.
Oh, yes, I'd absolutely be interested in that. Even just getting to see someone else's thoughts on Umineko sounds like it'd be a lot of fun; and, like, if it actually draws people in and there's actual discussion and people who don't already know what's going on?

Very exciting.
 
Last month was rough, due to the weather and other factors. But I've finally managed to start writing the first part for my Umineko LR. Now, I'm encountering my first obstacle disappointingly quickly. The airport scene introductions has so much to write. I'm starting to wonder if I can get away with having my first post be the prologue on its own. At least I'd reduce the wall of text I'm going to end up with and hopefully start with something that'll draw enough interest before all these character introductions.
 
So, I just finished Sotsu, having watched the rest of the Higurashi anime before it. I didn't dislike it. Though, I wonder how much more I would have liked it if I had any knowledge of Umineko.
 
Would the visual novels or the animes be a better place to start with this franchise?
 
My understanding is that the Deen adaptations of Higurashi and Umineko both suffer from the effect of squishing large works in the time given by a show, though the Higurashi one handles that much better and still gives a good experience, even if a big part of Higurashi in my opinion is what you get from a first person perspective. At the same time, the Deen Higurashi works as a slimed down and less time consuming experience. Plus, the Higurashi VN does have some bloat that the sped up experience of the anime helps with.

So, the Deen Higurashi anime might be the most accessible option. I feel that the VNs are the better experience, but both Higurashi and Umineko take time to go through and Umineko is a huge read. So, the old Higurashi will work as a starting point, with the option to go to the VN if it interests you.

Also, none of the three When They Cry stories (Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia) have connecting main stories or do more than references in regards to each other. That means that any can be picked to read without needing to know what happened in the others. I would say though that the bit of Ciconia that is out might be easier to read once you've read at least one of the other WTC works. So, probably better to avoid that one as a starting point.
 
Would the visual novels or the animes be a better place to start with this franchise?
Regarding Umineko, both the VN and manga are real good. The VN is better because it has the incredible music, but the manga is pretty consistently on-point also.

The anime is bad. Like, not just in a "quality is bad" way but in a "we're going to significantly alter aspects of the story for seemingly no reason in a mystery story that revolves around details"

The Umineko anime leaves out a couple of Red Truths (and not just You Are Incompetent Red Truths, but ones with actual bearing on the mystery), which, you know, is basically the one thing that should definitely not be left out- it's a statement intentionally highlighted by the author as "hey this is important information for the story"
 
It's also worth noting that the Umineko anime stops at the end of the visual novel's question arcs, leaving the second half unadapted. Even if you ignore the alterations/cut content, the anime is not an alternative to the VN.
 
I guess this might be the best place for it. Anyone else looking forward to the release of Loopers in English? Yes, it's not a 07th expansion work, but it does have Ryukishi as writer. I've preordered it and might even try at doing a let's read of it.
 
I recently listened to the Doctor Who audio play The Chimes of Midnight, and got really interested in what Umineko fans would think of it. Since it's a surreal metafictional murder mystery revolving around a time loop, it's probably the most Umineko-y thing Doctor Who has ever done (though it predates Umineko), even more so than the episode with Agatha Christie herself in it. The servants even refer to themselves in similar terms as Kanon and Shannon do.


View: https://open.spotify.com/album/6Ze4coxArPzZ3jixIjRIZR?si=SjYqiH23QRS_sowRgLbKSA

You might need a bit of a background on Charley Pollard before listening though, basically she's an adventuress from the 1920s and was saved by the Doctor from an airship crash that was supposed to have killed her, thus creating a time paradox ripple effect
 
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