Hell to Pay

All that for two guns, some ammo, and a bullet proof vest...

I can't help but feel Saint's "risk vs reward" sensor may be broken...
I don't think it's that far off. It's two submachine guns, for one. Back in the Buffy-verse with his Wolfram & Hart connections and pile of cash that might not be a big deal, but without demonic lawyers and heaps of money to throw at the problem getting hold of Class III firearms is no joke. Doing it on short notice, with no legal identity? To say nothing of the body armor, grenades, ammo, etc...

Given the restrictions he's operating under and the fight he's gearing up for I don't think this was an unreasonable move at all.
 
I don't think it's that far off. It's two submachine guns, for one. Back in the Buffy-verse with his Wolfram & Hart connections and pile of cash that might not be a big deal, but without demonic lawyers and heaps of money to throw at the problem getting hold of Class III firearms is no joke. Doing it on short notice, with no legal identity? To say nothing of the body armor, grenades, ammo, etc...

Given the restrictions he's operating under and the fight he's gearing up for I don't think this was an unreasonable move at all.
But he could have gotten all that and a lot more if he had robbed a gunshop.
 
Not with any real guarantee of certainty, stock changes. Police armories don't. Plus things like grenades aren't typically sold at your local gunshop, not unless the owner moonlights as a black market dealer.
 
But he could have gotten all that and a lot more if he had robbed a gunshop.

I've never been in a gun shop that stocked grenades or more than one select-fire weapon. Those are the kind of things you need a tax stamp for, so they tend to be 'special order' items. Somehow I doubt there is a real market for select-fire weapons and grenades in the depths of Chicago. Legal ones, at least. In my experience, inner-city gunshops tend to be full of home defense weapons, practical handguns, and flashy things that look cool but aren't, like .22 cal M16s and 9mm Desert Eagle look alikes.

I mean, yeah, if you just want shotguns, handguns, and semi-auto rifles? Gunshop all the way. Want something a little more... military? Police or National Guard depot.

I'm on a list now, aren't I?
 
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I've never been in a gun shop that stocked grenades or more than one select-fire weapon. Those are the kind of things you need a tax stamp for, so they tend to be 'special order' items. Somehow I doubt there is a real market for select-fire weapons and grenades in the depths of Chicago. Legal ones, at least. In my experience, inner-city gunshops tend to be full of home defense weapons, practical handguns, and flashy things that look cool but aren't, like .22 cal M16s and 9mm Desert Eagle look alikes.

I mean, yeah, if you just want shotguns, handguns, and semi-auto rifles? Gunshop all the way. Want something a little more... military? Police or National Guard depot.

I'm on a list now, aren't I?
Except all he got was a submachine gun, some pistols, some Flash Bangs, some Smoke Grenades, a Helmet, Ammo, a ballistic vest, and a harness.
 
The armor and flashbangs would admittedly be hard to reliably find elsewhere on short notice, but he would have been better off with a nice semi-auto rifle instead of the submachine gun. He noted a higher caliber would have been better, and auto is a bit overrated anyway. Exactly what to steal from a gun store or some random chud's horde is a more open question, but even just a garden variety AR-15 would probably be better suited for the job than what he ended up with, and those should be everywhere. 5.56 is still on the small end, but it's an improvement.
 
Pretty sure he should've been able to hex the cameras, since that ability is like "you have magic, you can kill electronics" level of basic, since it's derived from a side effect of having the power at all, being basically the modern equivalent of magic's mere presence spoiling milk.
The reason why it's brought up so much in regards to wizards isn't to imply that most other practitioners lack this ability, but to highlight wizards having so much ambient power that they sometimes struggle not to nuke their microwave/car/fridge or other miscellaneous electronics, meaning that the only reason why the MC wouldn't have been able to hex the cameras is due to a lack of fine control over his magic, which is bull because he has Taziel riding shotgun.

In short, the only reason why the MC pinned it on the hapless mook officer, in spite of the ability to leave some minor indication of supernatural shenanigans to throw doubt on said officers guilt, is because the MC is subconsciously kind of/more of a dick after his 300 year summer camp in hell.
 
"you have magic, you can kill electronics"
Only happens with mortal/human magic, and even then he would have to do some spell with more power than to light some candles. And the closest thing Saint has ever done needed a not inconsiderable amount of his blood acting as a focus, catalyst and sacrificial fuel. And not losing blood two days before going to a deathmatch with half a dozen Denarians is a no-brainer.
 
Except all he got was a submachine gun, some pistols, some Flash Bangs, some Smoke Grenades, a Helmet, Ammo, a ballistic vest, and a harness.

He got MP5s, or something close to them. They are select-fire weapons, meaning they can be selected between semi-auto and fully auto modes. These have not been available for sale to civilians, new, for some time and require a tax stamp and I've never seen one (except the semi-auto only variant) in a gun store.

Even if they were just Police issue AR15s (how Saint could confuse an AR15 for an MP5 is beyond me), it's up to the police force if it's select fire or not. Some have semi-auto, 3-round burst, and fully auto just like the military M16 it's based on, some do not.

That said, I have seen one in the wild and it was cool. Went shooting with a bunch of guys I rode motorcycles with in Florida, bunch of them were cops / retired cops, and they brought some interesting toys to the party. The suppressed .22 firing subsonic was one of the highlights, as was the fully select fire MP5.

I do agree that he'd be better off with a semi-auto AR15 over a select-fire MP5. The MP5 shoots 9mm pistol rounds, the AR15 has a much more powerful round and is more accurate. Also, fully-auto fire is pretty impossible to aim. The MP5s only real benefit here is it's size. Honestly, for what he's going after? A nice semi-auto 12-gauge with slugs and an extended magazine would be the ticket.
 
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supernaturally enhanced strength means full autofire is easier to control, and since he's planning to fight people with regeneration, he may be thinking that mag dumping into a Denarian could put them down long enough to get up close and personal with his Sword (less damage per shot, but a much greater rate of fire, to momentarily overwealm the target's regeneration and leave them unable to defend themselves for a few seconds)
 
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Folding up the uniform I put it on the bed and started to get dressed again. My clothes kind of hung off me a bit as I was shorter now and more narrow.

My skin crawled and I just knew what was coming in a little while. While it didn't hurt, feeling and hearing your skeleton move around was just outright freaky.

Not to mention fuck with my balance.

While getting out of here would be good, you know with a dead vampire and asleep kidnapped cop…

"Speaking of which," Taziel said and appeared, sitting across my lap, "We really should do something about that vampire."

"You're right about that," I said and put my arms around her as my vision shimmered for a second as they changed a bit, "Leaving him to be found with a dead vampire would just be dickish. It's going to suck for him enough as it is."

I didn't want him to end up in trouble, but I needed a way into that station and well… wrong place, wrong time.

Hmm.

"Taziel, think we could make it look like he was beaten? You know, bruises, small cuts, that kind of thing?"

"You mean without actually beating him?" She asked, "That might make it look like he was coerced."

"…Well, I guess actually beating him would work too as knocked out as he is right now," I admitted, "Just feel wrong."

Taziel nodded, "We'll fix him up when I have you back to normal. It may help him get in less trouble."

What to do with the vampire though.

"Well… I have an idea," Taziel informed me. "It's still dark outside, it should be possible to transport it in the car and dump in an alley. Sunlight should take care of the rest, even through these clouds."

"We should leave at the same time," I agreed, "They should have discovered that things are missing and checked the cameras by now. They are likely looking for him and his car already. Weather will help but traffic cameras may make it easier."

Taziel pursed her lips, "Then we should leave now. Our guest will wake up in a couple of hours."

"Okay, we can finish this later then," I said and got up, causing her to disappear into thin air. My skin stopped crawling and I walked over to put my hand on his face.

Hellfire sung in my veins and his face changed slightly, bruises formed across his face, chest and arms and got a small cut on his cheek.

"That should suffice, unless you think a broken bone would be more realistic? Perhaps a couple of fingers?" Taziel suggested.

I shook my head and pulled my hand back, "Don't want him to suffer any permanent damage."

"He might prefer a broken finger to jail."

She might have a point there. Even so, I walked and picked up the vampire before looking outside. Nobody was in sight, which wasn't surprising at three in the morning during a blizzard.

Heading out to the car, I dropped it in the trunk before returning back inside for the duffle bag of stolen guns and put them in the backseat before slipping into the driver's seat.

Taziel appeared in the passenger seat, "A couple of blocks should be enough, we can dump it there and then continue a couple of kilometers and leave the car there."

Nodding in agreement, I turned the key and pulled out of the parking lot, slowly moving through the drifting snow, "If we even get that far."

"There is that," she agreed and leaned forward, peering through the thick falling snow, "The Winter Queen's ruse to slow down the forces of Summer's pursuit of Harry Dresden are more than inconvenient."

Yeah, no kidding.

"This'll be enough," I finally said and pulled over to get out of the car. A small trip around to the trunk and I threw the former vampire into the alley.

Pausing with my hand on the door of the car, I looked around.

Nobody in sight but I felt like… something was watching me. Taz? See anything?

"I do not, My Host," she said and opened her eyes on my forehead, the glow of the sigil lighting up the dark slightly, "Nor do I do now. If something is watching, it's not from here. It may be imagination."

Perhaps. But it saved my life before.

Shaking my head, I slipped back into the car as she closed her eyes,

"Let's find somewhere to dump this car and we can find a place to turn you back," she said and appeared in the passenger seat again.

Nodding in agreement I pulled away from the alley, heading towards the outskirts of the city again. We needed somewhere to drop off the car first, I could fly from there.

"Not like anyone would see it in this weather, My Host," Taziel agreed, "When we find somewhere to change you back, you should rest. The trap springs during the night, we need to be there when it happens, not when we are ready."

Oh joy. Standing around in the freezing cold all night.

She rolled her eyes, "You don't feel cold unless you want to. And it don't affect you."

"It's the principle of the matter!"
 
Nobody in sight but I felt like… something was watching me. Taz? See anything?

"I do not, My Host," she said and opened her eyes on my forehead, the glow of the sigil lighting up the dark slightly, "Nor do I do now. If something is watching, it's not from here. It may be imagination."
Hundreds of years and she still hasn't showed Saint how to use Wizards Sight.

There's no doubt she's playing him like a fiddle.
 
Hundreds of years and she still hasn't showed Saint how to use Wizards Sight.

There's no doubt she's playing him like a fiddle.
...actually like Taziel, but....suspicious doesn't cover the lack of skill-share, and even more so- he never asked? That. That sounds like some pretty severe alone-for-two-hundred-years social conditioning.

Yeah, something's funky.
 
It's called Wizard's Sight for a reason. Yes, there are alchemical conconctions capable of forcing it open, but chances are even if its possible for a non wizard tier talent to learn, its probably falls under the repeated mention of not enough time to train in magic. Like yeah Taziel's almost certainly holding back on Saint, but I don't think lack of Wizard's Sight is one of the things she's holding back.

Unless we're assuming she can just jumpstart Saint to wizard potential whenever she wants and is intentionally refraining from doing so.

Edit: Though now that I think about ThreeEye the main downsides of it were the insanity. And the insanity came about from not only a lack of training on how to handle the permantly searing The Truth of things into your mind, but also the fact that they can't manually shut it off, so they're stuck seeing The Truth for however long the potion lasts. So, Saint could probably handle it. With the assimliated Doom Slayer memories, Taziel also helping with mental stability, and I suspect that even if they can't turn it off manually 'normally' Taziel could purge the potion from Saint's system to deactivate it.

So I guess if they figure out how to brew the stuff which should be capable for them since alchemy is something that requires very little magic capacity, they can cheat having the Sight. Of course it could also be possible that ThreeEye needs dark magic to brew, or its side effects are due to dark magic directly or something, but that was never the vibe I got from it.
 
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Hundreds of years and she still hasn't showed Saint how to use Wizards Sight.

There's no doubt she's playing him like a fiddle.

Didn't he spend those 100s of years in a hell dimension? Unless I'm mixing stuff I seems to remember that looking at some stuff with true sights in Dresden was very bad idea (E.g. Shagnasty).
I would think practicing sight in hell dimension wouldn't be great idea either.
 
Didn't he spend those 100s of years in a hell dimension? Unless I'm mixing stuff I seems to remember that looking at some stuff with true sights in Dresden was very bad idea (E.g. Shagnasty).

I would think practicing sight in hell dimension wouldn't be great idea either.
The one downside of looking at things with Wizard's Sight is that you can't forget it.

On the other hand, it lets you see through any and all illusions, veils, and transformations.

Also it's not a power level thing, anyone with magical ability can do it.
 
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Hundreds of years and she still hasn't showed Saint how to use Wizards Sight.

There's no doubt she's playing him like a fiddle.
Of course, if Saint is correct to trust Taziel, then offloading the mental and spiritual burden of forever remembering all the nasty crap that there is to see onto the mental/spiritual powerhouse of a nigh-unchangeable pillar of creation rather than the squishy mortal is a no-brainer. Dresdenverse is extremely explicit about the Sight being a double-sided blade that is about as damaging to the self as it is useful and potent.

This action indicates that Saint is putting trust in Taziel, but it can't indicate whether Taziel is worthy of that trust or not because both cases would produce an identical result - namely, the angel looking around with the Sight and providing information to the mortal.
 
Of course, if Saint is correct to trust Taziel, then offloading the mental and spiritual burden of forever remembering all the nasty crap that there is to see onto the mental/spiritual powerhouse of a nigh-unchangeable pillar of creation rather than the squishy mortal is a no-brainer. Dresdenverse is extremely explicit about the Sight being a double-sided blade that is about as damaging to the self as it is useful and potent.

This action indicates that Saint is putting trust in Taziel, but it can't indicate whether Taziel is worthy of that trust or not because both cases would produce an identical result - namely, the angel looking around with the Sight and providing information to the mortal.
Fallen Angel's very specifically can't see through Veils and Illusions. (They were unable to see the Archive when it was hiding under one.)

So whatever Taziel is doing, it's far inferior to what Saint would get with his Sight if he knew how to use it.
 
Fallen Angel's very specifically can't see through Veils and Illusions. (They were unable to see the Archive when it was hiding under one.)

So whatever Taziel is doing, it's far inferior to what Saint would get with his Sight if he knew how to use it.

It doesn't help that both of them are OLD. The structure of human minds is not condusive to remembering everything- the older you get, the harder it is to retain details of early memories. Even being continously refreshed in age, to not grow old biologically, will not mean that he remembers everything that happened.

And angels... Who know how they think? (Other than the writer, obviously.) Taziel may have forgotten things over the eons- sensory deprevation is not a nice thing to any mind, and she probably is still a bit irritated by the fact that Saint kept limiting their connection in the previos story.
 
Also it's not a power level thing, anyone with magical ability can do it.
Citation? I was under the impression, as a pretty big fan of the series, that being capable of using the sight, detecting magical energy, and manipulating it in a free and unstructured way (unlike what most lower practitioners do where everythign they do has to come through the lens of their talent) is what makes someone a capital W Wizard.
 
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"Well, this is fun," I grumbled and crossed my arms as the snow drifted past me. The only place to get a look over the area was the field museum.

Even then there was quite a bit to the actual aquarium. Taziel's eyes shone above mine, piercing the drifting snow the best she could.

"Don't complain, My Host," she said from next to me, wings raised to shield me from the worst of the wind, "We have an actual chance here, a chance to strike a real blow against Anduriel."

"And somehow I'm still standing in the middle of a blizzard. I just wanted to spend some time with Aiko."

That got a smile from her, "Mmm, true. Thank you."

Sighing I shook my head and kept looking out into the night. Anduriel. Nicodemus Archleone. They were the biggest threat but so were his allies.

Noose around his neck or not, my Sword would be able to deal with him if I got close enough. My guns should work on the rest.

Would the Sword work on The Fallen themselves?

Taziel frowned in thought, pursing her lips, "Yes and no," she mused, "Not while in the coins. If released and used on the actual bodies, then yes. But not the way things are now."

Can the fallen be released?

She shook her head, "Only two beings could and neither of them would. Lucifer and Father working together."

…So yeah, that'll happen.

Taziel rolled her eyes and nodded, "As you say, My Host," she grumbled.

Movement.

I shifted a bit to the side to put a pillar more between me and the aquarium. Shapes moving through the snow on the roof of it. Eleven of them.

Eleven beings just as powerful or more so than myself.

"Well then," Taziel said and disappeared from next to me, "It's time."

Nodding, I knelt down and got my gear from the satchel. Helmet went on my head, I was already wearing the armour beneath my jacket.

Picking up the two smgs, I stood back up and manifested our wings, peering into the dark. The shapes were gathering by the middle of a section of the roof.

"Remember, My Host," Taziel whispered in my ear, "Once the Circle goes up, there will be very limited amounts of magic accessible. That's when we need to strike. They have several powerful spellcasters that could easily disable us."

Or kill us.

"Our defenses against magic are limited," she agreed with a sigh, "We need to acquire some artifacts for defense. I finally found a Host I can work with, I don't want to spend the next couple of centuries finding another compatible one."

You know you love me.

With that, I spread our wings in the wind and took to the air, flying high and fast into the air towards the top of the cloud layer.

I was wearing dark clothes, had black wings and stuck close to the layers of the cloud. Even Denarians were limited in their perceptions, and even they had no reason to be alert for an aerial assault… and they had the same weakness as most humans. Humans don't look up.

Slowly circling half a kilometer above their heads on silent wings, I peered down through the falling snow.

Grenades. I wish we had actual grenades.

"There were none available, My Host," Taziel agreed, "But yes, that would have been most helpful."

With that we just waited and circled slowly.

I could feel Taziels hatred bubble in the back of my head as we watched the shapes far below and I could feel her pulling on hellfire, gathering enough that I could feel the pressure of the magic all through me, burning behind my eyes.

Taz, are we going to have a problem here? Unless we work as a team here, we are so impossibly fucked. Only reason this is even possible is because of the incredible element of surprise, the distraction from the people they are attacking and the fact that the Circle will keep most magic out. If you are going to be wigging out on me the moment we run into Anduriel's Host, we are canceling this thing right now because then I'm dead and you are back in their clutches again.

"I can control myself, My Host," she said softly, "If there is something my kind is known for, it's self-control."

All self-control has its limits, Taziel.

"I can handle it."

Nodding to myself, I banked again and slowly circled. Soon, very soon now. Just needed to wait for the...

The air filled with sudden tension and the building beneath shook with sudden power as beams of incredible power lased and speared to form a massive pentagram around the center of the building.

Even with my minor magical abilities I felt the magic in the air grow stale.

Seconds later, the shapes beneath broke through the glass roof of the building and fell inside.

"That's our cue, My Host," Taziel purred into my ear, "Let's rock."

Grinning, I folded my wings and allowed myself to go into a freefall, letting the weapons hang in their straps as I gripped a pair of flashbangs.

A pair of powerful tugs ripped the pins from the flashbangs as I flipped upside down, a twist of my left wing sending me into a spin as I fell.

Throwing the flashbangs down through the hole before me, I then quickly gripped the guns again.

As I fell through the hole in the roof, time slowed down to slow motion and the spin turned into a slow turn as I raised the guns.

My left arm moved on its own as Taziel took it over, allowing me to focus on my right one. A squeeze of the trigger and I fired a burst into the head of a lobster looking thing with two big whip-like things on it's back.

The flashbangs detonated beneath me and I shifted my aim towards the statue like Denarian chasing Dresden.

Squeezing the trigger, I blew it's head into little marble pieces and shifted aim once more as Taziel squeezed the trigger on the other gun, sending a burst into Rosanna, the demonlike Denarian's head getting jerked to the side and fell.

Enough.

Turning the fall into a flip, I spread my wings and beat them hard to slow down. Landing in a crouch, I threw myself backward across the water with my wings.

Aiming again, we resumed firing. I took aim at Tessa, the large buglike Denarian. If I remembered right it wouldn't kill her but it should slow her down quite a bit.

Bullets ripped into her exoskeleton and she screamed and scrambled out of the way. Taziel meanwhile emptied the rest of her magazine towards Deirdre.

Her titanium like strips of hair lashed and formed a shield between us and her, bullets sparking off it.

Landing on the other side of the pool, Taziel let me have my arm back and I dropped her spent rifle. Sliding slightly at the landing, I spread my wings for balance as I took the rifle I still had ammo in and took more careful aim, opening up at a Host covered in shaggy looking feathers, sending the rest of my bullets into its tentacled head.

With a massive roar Magog launched himself across the pool, the massive ape like Denarian pounding across the water, and swiped towards me with a huge clawed hand.

Ducking beneath the attack I reached into my jacket and swept my sword upwards. The first cut went across his chest and he roared loudly enough to shake the ground.

Not my first Brute, buddy.

Moving on, I tossed my spent gun into the air as I moved, a flick of my wings sent me to the side and I cut down hard, the heaven made blade separating his ugly head from his body.

Tessa gaped in my direction, looking like somebody had slapped her with a live trout as Magog fell, "You!?"

Slipping the sword back into my jacket, I caught my gun and quickly reloaded it. I didn't bother answering.

Bullets didn't work on her, so I opened up at the remaining Denarians as I flew back across the pool. A little tree like Host brought up a shield of magic between her and me, but I just held the trigger down and it collapsed as it drained her limited magic, allowing the bullets to rip into her.

As I landed, I dropped the spent weapon and pulled my pistol and sword, turning to Tessa and Deirdre, "Me," I finally answered her, "But I assume you mean my companion whom is very cross with you," I said and fired a bullet towards Deirdre, mostly to keep her shielding herself with her hair.

Tessa snarled, "That's impossible! You can't be here!"

I gave the sword a whirl and moved towards them as I grinned, "We're not, we're just a bad dream. Close your eyes and we go away."

Deirdre screamed and launched herself at me, titanium hair lashing out like whips, kicking up dust and sparks from the rock beneath us.

I fired two more times and then raised a wing to block her first thrust. Spinning, I lashed out towards her in turn, moving behind my wings as my feathers turned harder and sharper than any steel.

My sword flicked and cut several of her locks off and she screamed and tried to launch herself backwards.

I didn't let her, trapping her hair between a pair of wings as I moved to cut at her head. Tessa and another Denarian, a demon fish looking fucker attacked me from the other side.

Letting her go with just a slash of my sword, barely taking her left hand off at the wrist, I launched myself backwards with my wings to avoid the first attack and raised my pistol, emptying it towards the fish demon, aiming at its big empty eyes.

It screamed but didn't go down, throwing itself at me.

Ducking, I moved to the side and lashed out with two wings, catching it in a scissor movement, sending it to the ground in two pieces.

Standing back up, I flicked the blood from my lower wing and once more faced off against Tessa and Deirdre, turning towards the two Fallen.

Tessa snarled at me, hands spreading and power flickering between them as I pointed my sword towards them, "Take your shot. How many of those do you have in you? More than my companion can heal through? Especially in here?"

Deirdre clutched the end of her arm, titanium hair thrashing around her as she struggled up to stand. Their double eyes glaring at me, burning with hatred.

I let Taziel keep an eye on Tessa as I turned my own to Deirdre, "Does your father know you keep this kind of company? Yet alone dress like that?"

Dust kicked up around them as Kincaid opened up at them in short efficient bursts. Deirdre screamed and lashed out, wrapping her mother in her hair and launching herself up towards the hole in the roof.

Damn it!

Following them would be a losing fight though, as soon as they were out of the circle Tessa would be able to burn me to a crisp with a lucky shot.

Turning around I looked up at where the Hellhound was standing. He was aiming at me. Giving him a fencers salute with my sword, I walked over to the fishman and lopped off his head before moving towards the next mostly intact Denarian in the area.

For all I knew, they had healing powers. If they didn't have a chance to return, they had a tendency to dissolve.

Fhump!

The massive circle went down and I could feel magic return to the area. Just in time for Dresden to return around the corner, The Archive walking along with him.

The girl was safe.

Good.

Taziel appeared next to me, her arms crossed, "Indeed. We may not have been able to complete all our objectives, but we did manage to cut off a significant amount of their resources and stop them from capturing The Archive. Very well done, My Host," she said, looking pleased.

Dresden also had access to all the magic in the area now and didn't look happy to see me. That's less than good.

Putting the point of my sword against the ground before me, I turned to them, folding my wings away and Taziel closed her eyes before I reached to unlatch the helmet, dropping it onto the floor.

Fighting my way out of here was not an option. Didn't want to either.

Diplomacy it is.
 
@Hiver I know that it's an indestructible blade. However the blade collector in me, much less my blacksmithing experience can't help but wince whenever a blade is mistreated like that. Grounding a blade or even worse stabbing it into the ground ala Braveheart is bad for the steel.

Now I'm wondering what Dresden does next. Worse case scenario for everyone else they get along and play off each other

Murphy, "Oh God! There are two of them now! But one is Dresden's older, buffer, more cut Mr. Universe counterpart, who stalks Demon Lords for fun.
 
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