Hell to Pay

This...does not sound like anything I know from canon? Could you elaborate, or are you speculating, cuz it doesn't have the air of truthiness.

If you recall, Nemesis infected Thorned Namshiel and caused some major issues, including the attack on Arctis Tor. A lot of that situation was revolving around the fact that Mab had Lea(who was infected and was purging her atop Arctis Tor). Though the full reasons aren't yet revealed. Nemesis moves in annoyingly mysterious directions like that.

Anyway. Thorned Namshiel is eluded to have infected Tessa at some point. Which utterly ruined many of Nic's plans. He wants the world to end his way, not let the Outsiders win. So getting a Denarian infected is a dangerous one.

The whole reason why Nic went after the grail is that Nemesis stepped into his business, and tried to use him and his whole operation. There is a reason Nic is trying to tell Dresden so often that they are working on the same side.

Remember afterword when Tessa was utterly imaciated and looking horribly messed up when they attacked the Carpenter house? That was after Nic used the Grail on her to purge her and her fallen of Nemesis.

All of this is easily seen having been going on if you look at the pattern of Nemesis and how it had been operating. Its an undercurrent in the main story and has yet to be officially confirmed, but its pretty blatant in the story. Its why Dierdre and Nic were talking about her being 'safe from the Enemy'. He wasn't referring to God at that point, but rather the Outsiders, who are making a big play for all of reality with the Black Council and everything going on. Cowl. The Red Court(who were pawns of Nemesis for most of the story, dating back to the vampire bitch who infected Dresden's girlfriend. She was the one who gave the Athame that infected Lea to her and in turn allowed Lea's runoff water from the melting prison to infect Maeve which lead to Cold Days and Maeve's death and the attack on Demonreach to try and free the horrors inside it(or blow it up)).

Right now Nemesis, Mab, Nicodemus, and all of them are playing xanatos speed chess in the background while Harry blunders around. I'm just glad Saint didn't get close to Thorned Namsiel. That would have been bad. Nemesis is insidious as fuck.

And then Nicodemus has the Grail which is an outright cure for Nemesis. I mean, sure, the Lance of Longinus was a secondary thing he clearly wanted too(because who wouldn't?) But the Grail was the main reason he sacrificed Dierdre in the first place. Tessa needed to be cured and Nemesis needed to lose.
 
If you recall, Nemesis infected Thorned Namshiel and caused some major issues, including the attack on Arctis Tor. A lot of that situation was revolving around the fact that Mab had Lea(who was infected and was purging her atop Arctis Tor). Though the full reasons aren't yet revealed. Nemesis moves in annoyingly mysterious directions like that.

Anyway. Thorned Namshiel is eluded to have infected Tessa at some point. Which utterly ruined many of Nic's plans. He wants the world to end his way, not let the Outsiders win. So getting a Denarian infected is a dangerous one.

The whole reason why Nic went after the grail is that Nemesis stepped into his business, and tried to use him and his whole operation. There is a reason Nic is trying to tell Dresden so often that they are working on the same side.

Remember afterword when Tessa was utterly imaciated and looking horribly messed up when they attacked the Carpenter house? That was after Nic used the Grail on her to purge her and her fallen of Nemesis.

All of this is easily seen having been going on if you look at the pattern of Nemesis and how it had been operating. Its an undercurrent in the main story and has yet to be officially confirmed, but its pretty blatant in the story. Its why Dierdre and Nic were talking about her being 'safe from the Enemy'. He wasn't referring to God at that point, but rather the Outsiders, who are making a big play for all of reality with the Black Council and everything going on. Cowl. The Red Court(who were pawns of Nemesis for most of the story, dating back to the vampire bitch who infected Dresden's girlfriend. She was the one who gave the Athame that infected Lea to her and in turn allowed Lea's runoff water from the melting prison to infect Maeve which lead to Cold Days and Maeve's death and the attack on Demonreach to try and free the horrors inside it(or blow it up)).

Right now Nemesis, Mab, Nicodemus, and all of them are playing xanatos speed chess in the background while Harry blunders around. I'm just glad Saint didn't get close to Thorned Namsiel. That would have been bad. Nemesis is insidious as fuck.

And then Nicodemus has the Grail which is an outright cure for Nemesis. I mean, sure, the Lance of Longinus was a secondary thing he clearly wanted too(because who wouldn't?) But the Grail was the main reason he sacrificed Dierdre in the first place. Tessa needed to be cured and Nemesis needed to lose.
I disagree. Tessa's condition when showing up afterwards has the plausible explanation that she, like Nicodemus, really and truly cares for her daughter - and Deidre's death being confirmed hit her hard. It could be from some sort of Nemesis purging, but that's not a guarantee.

Moreover, we are explicitly told in Skin Game that Nicodemus was really there for the other artifacts and only considered the Holy Grail a consolation prize - that was the whole point of the scene where Harry nabs all the other stuff but leaves the Holy Grail center stage and Nicodemus' reaction to seeing just the Holy Grail is a flash of rage rather than disappointment. So it's pretty clear that if any of the artifacts was a secondary goal it was the Holy Grail.
 
Since its not been officially confirmed, its still up in the air. I still say its the most likely series of events because of how Nemesis operates. Time will tell. Feel free to disagree with it, considering its just a theory at this point.
 
Most of that's true with the undercurrent of Nemesis and stuff, but Nic didn't go after the Grail in the first place, it was a ruse because he wanted the head of The Holy Spear. That was the whole point of the climax of Skin Games. Harry realized he really wanted the spear head, hid it, and Nicodemus demanded it. Harry started needling him about Deidre and the fight broke out.
 
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Running through a forest at night is generally not a good idea. Especially this forest on this island. You could break your ankle, put a branch through your eye, break your neck tripping over some stupid rock.

All of the above.

Which made it doubly impressive that Gard was keeping up with me. I'm not sure how she did it, I could see thanks to Taziel, but I had no idea how she did it.

Vaulting over a fallen tree, I blinked as a sudden spear of fire blasted upwards through the forest from the direction of the crash site.

"Dresden seems to have made it," Gard commented as she stopped next to me, breathing deeply but not heavily.

"Yeah," I said, "And something found him. Let's go."

I started to run again.

'We should take to the sky, My Host.'

'Agreed.'

Spreading our wings, I beat them hard as I jumped, kicking off a tree trunk briefly to get some distance away from the tree before we threw ourselves up into the dark night.

Clearing the trees, I got a better sight of the crash site. Another beam of fire flashed through the night, blasting a tree into pieces.

Bug lady.

'Polonius Lartessa and Imariel,' Taziel whispered, 'Can you get a shot?'

'Better leave her to Dresden,' I said back as I beat the wings slowly, scanning the crash site, 'She's too flighty for a gun to work well. At least as much gun as I have.'

'True. I think we sh- There!'

We cleared a larger rock hiding the actual crash site from view and it revealed a different scene to us. The Knight had made it as well. The other wizard was on the ground, not moving. Alive or not was difficult to say, but I couldn't see any blood.

But what drew my attention was the fact that Michael was in the middle of a sword duel with Nicodemus. What's worse, the Knight looked like he was losing.

'Take him.'

I didn't need more encouragement than that.

Half Folding my wings, I dropped into a shallow dive as I slid my hand into my jacked, grasping the hilt of my sword hilt.

A little closer. A little closer.

Pulling up hard, I folded my wings and pulled my sword before allowing myself to drop, bringing the sword down in an almighty chop, designed to split Nicodemus from his head to his groin.

His shadow twisted like an eel and he kicked Michael hard, sending the Knight backwards against the rock face hard as he twisted to the side and brought his sword up in a panic to block me.

His blade has to be some sort of special as I didn't shatter it immediately, but my blow knocked it down and caused him to stumble back. The impact shook the sword in my hands and as my knee hit the ground hard my wings slammed down to absorb the impact.

Nicodemus snarled as he rolled back onto his feet, "You!"

With my spare hand, I pulled my pistol and shot him in the face as I got back onto my feet, "Us. Oh and you really should have taught your little girl not to talk with strangers. We had some… fun."

Nicodemus' face twisted with fury for a second, his shadow boiling around him before he took a slow and deep breath, "You will die in agony."

"Taziel sends her regards, Anduriel. She's wondering how you liked Egypt," I answered at a whisper from Taziel and then I shot him in the face again. Or tried, this time he twisted to the side before I could pull the trigger and the bullet whirred past him as he charged.

I shot him in the chest again, mostly to make a point to be honest and then I dropped the gun and my blade met his.

He was good.

He was really fucking good, by far the best swordsman I had ever met, including any demon I had ever run into.

Two thousand years of practice or not, you don't get that good without dedication and practice as well as natural talent.

I kicked him in the chin, my sword dancing towards him, using the additional length of my blade to force him back.

His shadow boiled around us and then darted in. Taziel shifted our wings, throwing Anduriel's attacks off, letting me focus on Nicodemus.

He might actually be a bit faster than I was, I was stronger and might be a hint more skilled with a sword, but it was a close one.

Instead of avoiding my last blow, he stepped into it, his sword slipping past mine as he drove it straight through my heart.

Everything froze like that for a moment.

I glanced down at my chest before I looked at him again. My own blade was through his chest in turn, not through his heart, but straight through his lung and out his back.

The feeling of your heart beating around a piece of steel is not a particularly nice one, but also not the first time I had felt it either.

"This," I said as I met his eyes, "Will take a while."

'The noose, My Host.'

'I know. But I can't just go for it instantly or he'll know that I know about it. I need a real opening.'

"So it seems," Nicodemus answered before his shadow boiled in around him before hitting the ground, propelling him a couple of meters away from me.

'Why didn't the sword kill him?'

'Because his body isn't what's keeping him alive, it's an external source.'

"Saint!"

I turned at Michael's choked shout and there was a glint of flying metal towards me. By instinct I twisted, reaching out and grabbed it by the handle.

The sword of love burst into white flames as I touched it, it shone brightly and I could hear it sing in my ears as my wings flickered out like smoke.

'It sings to us,' Taziel whispered, sounding almost breathless, 'I remember… I remember the song....'

I didn't burn me, the white flames flickered around the blade and handle, up along my arm but I turned back to Nicodemus. I didn't have time to think about it, not now, not against an opponent like him.

I charged him and he took a step back before snarling and meeting my charge. This time, his shadow exploded away from the light of the blade in my hand and my sword met his.

What followed could only be described as some sort of… not dance. No, nothing so violent could ever be called a dance.

Slashes, stabs, thrusts and feints.

My blade hit his, blocking him as I thrust with Amoracchius, forcing him backwards, step by step, "No more," I snarled, "No more! No more slaughter! No more torture! No more chaos!"

My voice was… different. It felt deeper, stronger.

Not wholly mine.

My blade found his wrist, his blade and sword going flying to the side.

"I s-!"

I didn't let him finish the sentence. Amoracchius slashed through his throat and the noose, the old thin and grey rope burst into searing bright light as it snapped.

He stumbled back, his intact hand going to his throat as my sword slashed straight through his chest.

That was my mistake.

There was a glitter of dark silver of the spray of blood flying straight at my face and despite my attempt to avoid it, I wasn't fast enough.

'NOOOO!'

It hit me at the cheek and everything turned instantly white and then black.







'I'm sorry,' A voice said softly in the darkness.



'I will give you everything I can. But it will be up to you. I'm sorry, My Host.'








'Find me.'
 
We have very little idea what just happened. It looks like Nicodemus's coin touched Saint, I think, but it is not clear what happened after that.
 
Nicodemus tried to surrender, which would have rendered Amoracchius powerless if Saint attacked him with it. But Saint was too fast, destroying the noose with it and killing him with his other sword before he could actually surrender. Anduriel seized the opportunity to dislodge the Coin from Nicodemus so as to try and steal Saint.
 
I don't really get it. If a second coin gets stuck to him, then I assume Michael or someone around him would remove him from his person.
Which would only leave an imprint of Anduriel, which would be no match to the actual coin still in Saint's person.
 
Sounds like Andurel used the moment of contact to do something spiteful. Not to steal Taz's host so much as separate the two in a way that does not allow her to be easily resummoned. Possibly based on whatever they did to send her elsewhere to begin with.

Though, I suspect she's far closer to this time because it wasn't a joint effort by the denarians, just by Anduriel.
 
Sounds like Andurel used the moment of contact to do something spiteful. Not to steal Taz's host so much as separate the two in a way that does not allow her to be easily resummoned. Possibly based on whatever they did to send her elsewhere to begin with.

Though, I suspect she's far closer to this time because it wasn't a joint effort by the denarians, just by Anduriel.
If that's what happened it's be really forced.
I mean, seriosuly, there's a point when too much stuff happens to the main character where it stops being believable or enjoyable.
 
I guess Anduriel could be much stronger than Taziel and would be able to do much damage to Saint in the few moments before his coin is taken away, but even then Taziel is an angel of Healing so if Saint is not dead she could absolutely fix him up.

It seems I overestimated the power of the Angel Sword a tad, since apparently it only brings death if you stab the real source keeping a being alive. This makes it much less useful than I thought since even a Lich would be fine if you don't find a phylactery, bunch less a being like Mab that essentially is Winter and as long as the Faery realm of Winter exists (and it is not Halloween) she can't be killed.

It is still the next best thing to the three holy swords though.
 
So, I see two problems with this chapter.

The first, you again have a character with a lot of magic just randomly deciding not to use it.

The second, you forgot his Death Curse.
To your first point Nicky never really had much magic to begin with he just had two thousand years worth experience using what little magic he had.

Two, it was clear he acted to fast for him to get off his death curse he was planning on surrendering and forcing him to either break the sword by trying to killing him in spite of that or be allowed to walk free and then use his resources to steal the coin back. but he was to fast and killed him before that could happen.
 
To your first point Nicky never really had much magic to begin with he just had two thousand years worth experience using what little magic he had.

Two, it was clear he acted to fast for him to get off his death curse he was planning on surrendering and forcing him to either break the sword by trying to killing him in spite of that or be allowed to walk free and then use his resources to steal the coin back. but he was to fast and killed him before that could happen.
Nick's magical power was on par with Dresden.

And there is no "to fast" for Death Curses, they go off when Wizard dies, where the "to fast" does come in is in concerns to how focused the Death Curse is.
 
Nick's magical power was on par with Dresden.

And there is no "to fast" for Death Curses, they go off when Wizard dies, where the "to fast" does come in is in concerns to how focused the Death Curse is.
Fair enough but maybe the whole coin flying at him and Taz saying this is all she can do is the death curse. the curse is forcing him to take up the coin or weaken Taz so she can't help him.
 
Nick's magical power was on par with Dresden.
First of all no. If he was he would actually used magic in canon instead of relying to other Denarians or Dresden to do so.
At best he is a sorcerer who knows a couple of tricks, if he had this much power he would be at Kemmler's level.
And there is no "to fast" for Death Curses, they go off when Wizard dies, where the "to fast" does come in is in concerns to how focused the Death Curse is.
Second of all that's not how Death Curses work. Even Cassius had to focus to do his die alone curse and even then it barely did anything.
A Death Curse is the wizard casting a spell using his entire life force. It takes just as much prep time as a normal spell to do.

At best he could sacrifice power to speed things up (making the spell weaker), and it would already be weakened and slower on account of not being able to speak.
 
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"This," I said as I met his eyes, "Will take a while."


The first, you again have a character with a lot of magic just randomly deciding not to use it.
Nicky isn't a full wizard, I'm not even sure he's partuicularly powerful, he's just ery practiced and had a very good teacher (his Fallen)
And there is no "to fast" for Death Curses, they go off when Wizard dies, where the "to fast" does come in is in concerns to how focused the Death Curse is.
Second of all that's not how Death Curses work. Even Cassius had to focus to do his die alone curse and even then it barely did anything.
A Death Curse is the wizard casting a spell using his entire life force. It takes just as much prep time as a normal spell to do.
Plus a Death Curse still needs spoken words to help shape it. As Cassius' Curse shows, there doesn't have to be a lot of words, but it still requires more than 'I s-"
 
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