Haruno Sakura Quest

Weaponsmithing was not improved as you were taking care of her not training.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Which is why I didn't change it.
But everything else seem correct? I guessed that the Raiza action was Ninjutsu as well, since it talked about manipulated the elements, and it wasn't Taijutsu, us being maxed out there. The only other thing I could see that spar session being is Kenjutsu, our sword against her Spear. If it is Ninjutsu, our total score should be 7. 2 from Raiza, 2 from Sasuke, 3 from classes.

Related note, I really want Raiza to save our life, so we can make her a kick-ass spear.
 
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Honestly, I'm still butthurt over the sword thing. That was a painful way to say good-bye to our sensei.
 
But, I am perfectly fine with what Orochimaru is doing. These children were either orphans or volunteered by their parents, and the project probably has to be done on children, because their youthful forms are far easier to change than already grown and set adults. So this seems like the best way to go about doing what they are doing. And it seems like something that IS worth doing. Bloodlines are powerful things, and learning how to give them to others, and more importantly how they work, is a very powerful thing to learn.
We'd be invested in keeping the children alive regardless as well. If they survive, that is a success of the serum, and means it can be applied to more people.

...The fuck? That shit is unethical as hell and would be considered a crime against humanity. This is literally condemming innocent children to death. Those children didn't consent to it, hell this is the shit the third Hokage would have had Orochi executed. If he had used kids that we terminally ill and were going to die anyway it would have been far more ethical. Just because injecting kids is easier doesn't mean that it should be used instead of other methods. No matter what you say condemming innocent kids to die is fucked up and something our friends are going to be against, especially someone like Naruto if he found out Sakura actually was fine with it. So the writein is basically Sakura is fine with the idea just not the execution.

Since the your write-in says we don't agree with the methods, Sakura should have a suggestion for a better method to do it in in case she's asked. Do you have one? Cause I can't think of one.

Thinking of something like the puppet idea combined with growing people without the capacity to think or feel. Sasori was able to make puppets out of the bodies of the ninja he killed that were able to use their bloodline limit and techniques. Thinking of flash growing clones or fetuses, minus the capacity until they are old enough and then having someone hijack them to get data on them using jutsu and the bloodline the body was injected with.

Thinking we could also afterwards we would be able to turn the bodies into puppet like sasori did except with the ability to use the bloodline and be able to be piloted by a clone hijacking it.
 
That shit is unethical as hell and would be considered a crime against humanity. This is literally condemming innocent children to death.
I'm pretty sure the entire ninja system would be considered a crime against humanity. Kids learning from the age of 8 to kill people and being sent to fight at 12, and that's during a time of peace. During war the age is much lower. Guy graduated at 7, and he was NOT a prodigy, he actually sucked, it wasn't till later that he got good.
Those children didn't consent to it,
They might have. "Hey kid, want super-cool ninja powers, and be a hero everyone looks up to?" Considering the culture, I highly doubt they'd say no.
If he had used kids that we terminally ill and were going to die anyway it would have been far more ethical.
There'd be no way a kid who was likely to die anyways would survive the treatment, making it just a waste of resources. It's tough on healthy bodies, sick ones wouldn't make it.
Just because injecting kids is easier doesn't mean that it should be used instead of other methods.
It's not just easier, it's the only method that would work. They are growing, alter a few cells and all the new cells made would have the needed alteration. Adults, they aren't making nearly as many new cells. It would be trying to run before you crawl to try it on adult subjects first.
Gene Therapy is a real life thing, and while it's easy to do to fetuses, the older the organism the harder it is to do.
No matter what you say condemming innocent kids to die is fucked up and something our friends are going to be against, especially someone like Naruto if he found out Sakura actually was fine with it. So the writein is basically Sakura is fine with the idea just not the execution.
The ninja system condemns kids to death on a regular basis. If they got a problem with this, they got a problem with the Ninja way of life. Which they very well might, Hashirama and Madara did, but they didn't codemn those who followed it. Plus like I said, we'd be trying out best to keep the kids alive.
Thinking of something like the puppet idea combined with growing people without the capacity to think or feel. Sasori was able to make puppets out of the bodies of the ninja he killed that were able to use their bloodline limit and techniques. Thinking of flash growing clones or fetuses, minus the capacity until they are old enough and then having someone hijack them to get data on them using jutsu and the bloodline the body was injected with.

Thinking we could also afterwards we would be able to turn the bodies into puppet like sasori did except with the ability to use the bloodline and be able to be piloted by a clone hijacking it.
Ideas in order
  1. We would be inventing that method (with help). It's not something anyone (except maybe Madara with the White Zetsu) know how to do. So they can't use a method that doesn't exist.
  2. Who knows how Sasori did it. If they could recruit Sasori to help out, sure that'd be another way. But he's a missing-nin, not likely to accept jobs like this. Plus, just getting data on teh bloodline doesn't really do much good if they can't ever put it into people to use it.
  3. They are probably growing those clones as fast as they can. Gonna take a while for them to get anywhere. And they'd have to master cloning tech before they could even work on adding new blood-lines to people. So it'd be putting off the whole project by atleast a decade, if not several.
  4. That would require Sasori Knowledge and us to invent the clone technique to hijack the puppet. So again, something they can't do.
 
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They might have. "Hey kid, want super-cool ninja powers, and be a hero everyone looks up to?" Considering the culture, I highly doubt they'd say no.

I really doubt that they mentioned that a good number of them would die if they accepted since I doubt any of them would have said yes.

I'm pretty sure the entire ninja system would be considered a crime against humanity. Kids learning from the age of 8 to kill people and being sent to fight at 12, and that's during a time of peace. During war the age is much lower. Guy graduated at 7, and he was NOT a prodigy, he actually sucked, it wasn't till later that he got good.

They might have. "Hey kid, want super-cool ninja powers, and be a hero everyone looks up to?" Considering the culture, I highly doubt they'd say no.

The ninja system condemns kids to death on a regular basis. If they got a problem with this, they got a problem with the Ninja way of life. Which they very well might, Hashirama and Madara did, but they didn't codemn those who followed it. Plus like I said, we'd be trying out best to keep the kids alive.

There is a colossal fucking difference between training kids to kill and experimenting on civilian kids using experiments that are guaranteed to kill a number of them without their consent.

It's not just easier, it's the only method that would work. They are growing, alter a few cells and all the new cells made would have the needed alteration. Adults, they aren't making nearly as many new cells. It would be trying to run before you crawl to try it on adult subjects first.
Gene Therapy is a real life thing, and while it's easy to do to fetuses, the older the organism the harder it is to do.

Bullfucking shit, dude there is literal magic in Naruto. You can't just say something won't work by comparing it to real life since by that logic nothing in Naruot in work due to the sole fact that a lot of the things in the setting wouldn't work.

  1. We would be inventing that method (with help). It's not something anyone (except maybe Madara with the White Zetsu) know how to do. So they can't use a method that doesn't exist.
  2. Who knows how Sasori did it. If they could recruit Sasori to help out, sure that'd be another way. But he's a missing-nin, not likely to accept jobs like this. Plus, just getting data on teh bloodline doesn't really do much good if they can't ever put it into people to use it.
  3. They are probably growing those clones as fast as they can. Gonna take a while for them to get anywhere. And they'd have to master cloning tech before they could even work on adding new blood-lines to people. So it'd be putting off the whole project by atleast a decade, if not several.
  4. That would require Sasori Knowledge and us to invent the clone technique to hijack the puppet. So again, something they can't do.

The thing with Zetsu is that they are extremely unique lifeforms that probably don't qualify as human and are 'born' with all the abilities of the original so that isn't a fair comparison. Also the grown bodies would be mindless or complete blanks. Sasori created the technique himself and we can create our own techniques. Not to mention that we can probably create a different and even then the bodies would be technically alive and can probably be taken over a Yamanaka before they get turned into puppets. Also Orochi was able to master cloning tech in the future so it is possible. Even so we can just use fetuses created the old fashioned way and just grow that.

Also you aren't the freaking QM so stop pretending you know what is and isn't possible in a setting you didn't create and is based on fantasy elements then passing it off as facts. That is the equivellent of making shit up to support your argument.
 
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I really doubt that they mentioned that a good number of them would die if they accepted since I doubt any of them would have said yes.
Maybe they did. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time Orochimaru convinced down-on-their-luck kids to throw away everything they have in the pursuit of power. Maybe these are the Sasukes of the orphanages, they hate their current lot in life, and decided to go for the chance to be awesome.

Plus, going to reference the Ninja System again. Lots of ninja kids die. People know this. Yet kids still want to be Ninja. And kids don't always have the best cost-assessment skills. Ain't the first time a kid might have thought they were going to be the one who makes it against all odds, thinking they are special.

Double plus, only some of these kids are orphans. Others are ones that got put here with the consent of their parents.
There is a colossal fucking difference between training kids to kill and experimenting on civilian kids using experiments that are guaranteed to kill a number of them without their consent.
The only thing making them civilian kids is that they aren't being trained to kill. Else they'd be Academy Kids.
As for being guaranteed to kill a number of them, a number of ninja kids are guaranteed to be killed.

So yeah, the only point here seems to be consent. Which we are arguing an earlier point.
Bullfucking shit, dude there is literal magic in Naruto. You can't just say something won't work by comparing it to real life since by that logic nothing in Naruot in work due to the sole fact that a lot of the things in the setting wouldn't work.
You also can't say something WOULD work by saying "Magic". We know what they HAVE done, and if there are alternatives that could work, what is your explanation for them having not done them. We know DNA is relevant shit, and that they are altering people's DNA to give them Kekkai Genkai. So until we have a good reason to think it works different, it's the more likely to assume it works similarly.
The thing with Zetsu is that they are extremely unique lifeforms that probably don't qualify as human and are 'born' with all the abilities of the original so that isn't a fair comparison.
Hey, I said maybe. Zetsu are plant people, the idea was to make plant organs. I have no idea if the Zetsu even have organs. If the Zetsu don't qualify, then not even Madara has the know-how to do that. It's a technique we will have to invent.
Sasori created the technique himself and we can create our own techniques.
Of course we can. We just haven't done so yet. So again, don't judge Orochimaru and helpers for not using a method he doesn't have access to.
Also Orochi was able to master cloning tech in the future so it is possible. Even so we can just use fetuses created the old fashioned way and just grow that.
What do you think Orochimaru is working on now, with those clones in the cloning vats? He's working on the tech. He doesn't have it now, probably won't for another decade or two.
Plus, the only clone I'm aware of that Orochimaru made is is Mitsuki, and the impression I got was that he grew at a normal rate over years, hardly flash cloning.
Also you aren't the freaking QM so stop pretending you know what is and isn't possible in a setting you didn't create and is based on fantasy elements then passing it off as facts. That is the equivellent of making shit up to support your argument.
First, you aren't the QM either, yet you are asserting that the things you say ARE possible.
Second, I never said anything wasn't possible. Most of what I said, is that the methods don't exist yet, and that we'd be inventing them. And since they don't exist yet, there is nothing wrong with Orochimaru using methods that DO exist currently and using them.
 
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[x] *Sigh* You didn't fail Sasuke. It was our first real mission, and it was very potent Killing Intent. But I guess what's done is done. What did it cost, and what did you receive?
[X] Since you showed me this, Sensei, I assume you have something in mind?


What you mean? Even if we made the Super Healing Sword, Sensei wouldn't have wanted us to use it on her.

Not the healing sword. We missed the point of her lessons entirely: To make a sword beyond just another tool for killing. Instead we made a sword that's double extra good at killing.
 
Not the healing sword. We missed the point of her lessons entirely: To make a sword beyond just another tool for killing. Instead we made a sword that's double extra good at killing.
Except, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the point of her lessons. Cause a sword is inherently a tool for killing. If we want not-killing, we will make a not-sword, the only reason to make it into a sword is just because people think it's cool.

I believe when she said that she just wasn't feeling good, she meant she wasn't feeling good, no hidden meaning beyond that. It was the month before she died, after all. She understandably didn't feel good.
 
@lifeofgesture Is there going to be caps to our other skills, like Taijutsu, that we have to grow up some before we can raise it any higher?

Just taijutsu.

Except, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the point of her lessons. Cause a sword is inherently a tool for killing. If we want not-killing, we will make a not-sword, the only reason to make it into a sword is just because people think it's cool.

I believe when she said that she just wasn't feeling good, she meant she wasn't feeling good, no hidden meaning beyond that. It was the month before she died, after all. She understandably didn't feel good.

Actually yes. She wasn't feeling well. She wasn't actually disappointed in you.
 
@lifeofgesture How feasible is my idea of rapidly aging fetuses to adulthood? Pretty sure Tsunade suffered from rapid aging due to that technique of hers that let her heal near instantly by inducing rapid cell division.
 
Thinking about we should probably get the legendary sword equivelent of the reverse blade sword so that we have an option if we don't won't to kill our opponent like say we needed to capture a powerful ninja alive. Should help immensely since capturing powerful ninjas alive is a lot harder than killing them.
 
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Taijutsu makes sense to have a limit on as it is dependant on our physical body and condition, and we are still just a kid. But other than that, cool.

Can you add the new earth jutsu that we just learned to the sheet please? I'd like to see what they are.
 
Thinking about we should probably get the ninja equivelent of the reverse blade sword so that we have an option if we don't won't to kill our opponent like say we needed to capture a powerful ninja alive. Should help immensely since capturing powerful ninjas alive is a lot harder than killing them.
We can make a super-sealing sword like the Sword of Totsuka, but could also unseal its stuff when we want. That'd be good for capturing people. 1000 DC, we can achieve it currently if we spend one full turn on it.
 
We kinda need a way to manage our existing swords before we start making many more of those.

Don't want those swords to get in the wrong hands, after all.

Making picky Samehada-like swords with identity/personality recognition functions would be a good start, as would making a way to make our swords easily accessible, perhaps through specialty tattoos.

Also, I think the sword that helps us do fuinjutsu better should be a priority. Capturing comes later and healing\purifying is what I want to actually be known for later in the game, before the shit with demons really starts ramping up.
 
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We kinda need a way to manage our existing swords before we start making many more of those.

Don't want those swords to get in the wrong hands, after all.

Making picky Samehada-like swords with identity/personality recognition functions would be a good start, as would making a way to make our swords easily accessible, perhaps through specialty tattoos.

Also, I think the sword that helps us do fuinjutsu better should be a priority. Capturing comes later and healing\purifying is what I want to actually be known for later in the game, before the shit with demons really starts ramping up.
We can make a User Identification System for our swords, that has a DC of 110. After we do that project, we can apply it for free.

Why do we need a sword that makes Fuinjutsu better? CAN we even do that? Cause then it'd seem like it'd open the door to recursive improvements. Make a sword to improve Fuinjutsu, make a Fuinjutsu to improve our swords, back and forth.
@lifeofgesture Would it be possible to do such recursive improvement?
 
Wasn't there one in the original vote? I don't remember what it did exactly though.

Something like a brush that allows us to create fuinjutsu faster or at least bigger and in combat seems like useful utilitarian synergy.
 
Wasn't there one in the original vote? I don't remember what it did exactly though.

Something like a brush that allows us to create fuinjutsu faster or at least bigger and in combat seems like useful utilitarian synergy.
Only if we actually use Fuinjutsu in combat like that. Creating the seals on the fly, rather than preparing in advance.
 
It doesn't really matter.

You could just make a really, really good normal sized brush that improves accuracy and speed, maybe with something fancy added like making its own ink, variable size or length (for convenience when making large seals and for reach) or having some kind of function to copy-paste patterns it has in storage.

It would probably need durability and self-repair to last. I'm also pretty sure making it a chakra channel is almost a must so we could activate seals as we write them.

If you want it to be killy, just add a function to sharpen and harden the brush part into a spear in a pinch, but I kind-of frown on this. Not a lot though. (could we carve runes into things? Because that would help with that)

We'd also want Samehada-like (or more. A lot more) pickiness for it, though, because the final result's actually really OP. Fuinjutsu is no joke.

Ideally this would something just for us or for any guy in the far future that we would approve of, so I guess the sword's personality would grow along with the user's?
 
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[x] *Sigh* You didn't fail Sasuke. It was our first real mission, and it was very potent Killing Intent. But I guess what's done is done. What did it cost, and what did you receive?
[X] Since you showed me this, Sensei, I assume you have something in mind?
 
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