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Halkegenia Online Thread 7: "Arrun Noir"

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*Shrug* I haven't seen a rat in a while. Though the pink tail favors rats over mice. Still. Suisen is now 150% more adorable. TH set up Argo's nightmare to give us maximum feels at the end of the snip when Suisen came back.
 
About Hinagiku's worries about Pixie owners... all she needs to do is make the Nav Pixie owners care about theirs a little more, including educating them on how to watch out for signs of a blossoming and what to do in such a case.

Maybe something like an orientation or seminar for Nav Pixie owners, along with written brochures detailing what to do in a blossoming emergency.
 
Suisen is adorable. It's sweet how Argo has grown to care for her.

I don't think Mortimer's actions so far have been out of line, though I'm concerned by his comments about the importance of common interests versus trust. That may be fine for the leader of an independent faction to say, but not for someone part of a council. The Fae leaders need to be able to trust each other at least well enough to cooperate. I don't fault Mortimer for treating the information about the killer carefully, but only because not enough time had passed to truly accuse him of keeping it secret from his peers.

As for Vakarian, relaying the news to Mortimer is understandable, but it's probably fair to rebuke him for not reporting to the other leaders.
 
Well this is interesting.

Oddly I get a off almost warmongering vibe from Sakyua, if only because her paranoia is hitting debilitating levels.

Mort could still be a bad guy, but at this point her judgment is pretty clearly messed up, and while I don't think she'll condone or order any sort of pre-emptive strike or assassination attempt, she might give off that impression to others.
 
It certainly doesn't look good for Mortimer. He commissioned Jack Rip to take out the Sylph and Cait Sith leaders before the transition and he looks like he's still fulfilling the contract in his own way now.
 
So basically Rip Jack is carrying out the final orders he was given to him prior to the transition, maybe he thinks that by carrying them out he will be able to go home since most of us agree that he may have gone a little crazy and still thinks this is a game. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go to my dentist to see how many cavities I have in my teeth.
 
KaPe said:
Well, it's not like it's his fault. Hiring an assassin in a video game is a perfectly natural thing to do. After all, all he did was pay a bunch of pixels to remove another bunch of pixels. No one really expected this to get much more serious, including him. If he's supposed to be punished for this, it opens up a rather nasty precedent.
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It's partially his fault for not closing the matter. Sort of like firing off a hunter killer drone into a rival nation then forgetting to disarm it because of a sudden onset of enforced peace by alien invasion.

Trying to cover his ass now when they still have the killer at large isn't really going to smooth matters over either.
 
KaPe said:
I assume it was more of a "surely the guy realized this isn't a game anymore and he'll stop". Wishful thinking, as it appearently turned out, but who would really expect that? And I can't really blame him for trying to cover this up, either. Oh hey, one of our Lords hired a killer that's going around murdering people. But don't worry, he's only targetting Sylphs and Cait Syth, since Salamanders paid him.

Cue shitstorm.
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The shitstorm would be partially manageable if he turned out his Salamanders to clean up their mess I think, though interpretations of a sudden spike in active duty Salamander guards and hunter seekers among the populace would vary.
 
Well, we can probably take this a sorta-confirmation that a factionleaders death was worth something in game (seeing as while there was some penalty for dieing it wasnt abstruse, and if you just set her back by a bit of money or a hours grinding worth of experience an assasination isnt worth it).

On the matter, its difficult. I wouldnt say mortimer definitely handled this wrong, i mean who would go on to kill people after it became clear things are real. I mean one could see a death happening in the first few hours or days when many still thought this was a game, and teh assasin might have seen the chaos as an opportunity. But honestly, after they are all allied now, and people and death are real now, not thinking to specifically call of an assasin isnt really something you can accuse mortimer of. Noone would expect such madness. I mean, unless he already knew Rip Jack as meantally unstable or something, but theres no indication of that.

On the whole, i seem to be lot more sympathic towards mortimer than the consensus here. Reputation does matter, and instability now could cost them dearly. Not that he or his henchman acted perfectly, but i seem more on mortimers than on sakuyas side in this conversation right now.
 
Mashadarof402 said:
It's partially his fault for not closing the matter. Sort of like firing off a hunter killer drone into a rival nation then forgetting to disarm it because of a sudden onset of enforced peace by alien invasion.
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Except it isn't like that at all. The comparison you're making is reality->reality, but this situation is fiction->reality.

Remember, Mortimer hired this guy to PK another character in a game where death is a minor inconvenience. This isn't a crime. One the Transition occurred, it seems like he didn't cancel all the hits. This is also not a crime, as assuming his assassins would abandon their marks after the nature of the Transition became apparent is justified. Only in hindsight does it make him appear guilty.

That said, he probably could have mentioned some of this at the beginning of the investigation, but this is also not a crime. It's only in hindsight that it makes him appear guilty.

Of course, this partly goes out the window if he knew one of his assassins was losing it.
 
KaPe said:
Well, don't forget that this entire mess only started few days ago and it was just now that Rip Jack identity was confirmed. Before that, quite a bit of time has passed without anything happening and they had Reconquista to deal with.

I still say Mortimer thought the guy realized it wasn't a game anymore and abandoned his mission. Once he learned the truth... well, here we are. No easy way out now.
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No no no. Right now, Mortimer is well aware that the killer is one of his pet assassins. By turning out the Salamander forces to hunt down the killer, he demonstrates that he acknowledges partial responsibility and willingness to clean up his mess.

Instead what we get is ass covering, which looks very much like Mortimer is brushing his hand off the matter. Unless that ass covering is a Xanatos gambit which Mortimer will apprehend the killer in a surprise move, it doesn't look good on him at all.
artanis00 said:
Except it isn't like that at all. The comparison you're making is reality->reality, but this situation is fiction->reality.

Remember, Mortimer hired this guy to PK another character in a game where death is a minor inconvenience. This isn't a crime. One the Transition occurred, it seems like he didn't cancel all the hits. This is also not a crime, as assuming his assassins would abandon their marks after the nature of the Transition became apparent is justified. Only in hindsight does it make him appear guilty.

That said, he probably could have mentioned some of this at the beginning of the investigation, but this is also not a crime. It's only in hindsight that it makes him appear guilty.

Of course, this partly goes out the window if he knew one of his assassins was losing it.
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Not just hindsight, but his actions after the discovery. They don't exactly look like the actions of a leader trying to exonerate his name and faction.

I mean, think about it. What does this look like now? The killings going on, targeting Cait Sith and Sylph leadership, the knowledge that the one sponsoring them is a rival faction. But rather than claiming it to be the actions of a rogue agent and turning out your forces in bulk to hunt him down, it seems more like he's shrugging it off and hunkering down.

Maybe waiting for the assassin to finish the job.
 
You know, I actually understand Mortimer, but I believe he is not thinking his actions through. Yes, he had no reason to think it was Rip Jack until Vakarian told him, and yes, a controlled release of the information is nice, and I also understand that he's doing the best with the situation he's been given. But that's the thing, it's his fault the situation is as bad as it is. After the Transition, he stuck to his in-game personality, cultivating a reputation as a cold hearted military general. He didn't work to make himself trustworthy or likable, and most people will only work with him so long as they are sure of aligned interests. He's dug his own grave, and at the moment, it doesn't look like he's going to change his ways.
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
You know, I actually understand Mortimer, but I believe he is not thinking his actions through. Yes, he had no reason to think it was Rip Jack until Vakarian told him, and yes, a controlled release of the information is nice, and I also understand that he's doing the best with the situation he's been given. But that's the thing, it's his fault the situation is as bad as it is. After the Transition, he stuck to his in-game personality, cultivating a reputation as a cold hearted military general. He didn't work to make himself trustworthy or likable, and most people will only work with him so long as they are sure of aligned interests. He's dug his own grave, and at the moment, it doesn't look like he's going to change his ways.
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Why, oh why do I have this feeling Rip Jack's demise is going to be a showcase of Mortimer's powers, so soon after Newcastle? Some sort of "I correct my mistakes, personally" shtick.
 
Shouldn't the first thing Mortimer had done after the realization of the transition was to call off all known hits he had put out? Since he now knows this is no longer a game where death is a minor inconvenience as has been stated this makes him look very guilty not just in hindsight. Although I do believe given his personality he is very disturbed by this and is merely showing a strong front while secretly planning some sort of plan to get rid of Rip as quickly as possible.
 
That is entirely possible, Tython. It would have been wiser, politically, for him to be up front with the other Fae Lords & Ladies as soon as he knew about the problem. He would have gotten a lot of mileage out of saying "back when this was a game.." because those were the sorts of things pretty much every leader did or considered.

By not sharing he indicates he wanted to keep this a secret .. and he possibly has other secrets. He also put lives at risk. At least two people were killed after the first murders. He might not have known that Rip was involved then, but the assumption from the others is going to be that he did. If they had that information they could have pooled information on Rip & his alternate forms, turned out "the army" (police, volunteers, and so on) to hunt him down, and "solved the problem without more loss of life."

Note: The last sentiment is an assumption. There is nothing preventing Rip from fleeing the Fae areas, hiding in the wilderness, or hiding among the Tristanian population until the search dies down. In fact, if he is at all canny, that is what he's doing in HalO right now..
 
Triggerhappy said:
"Argo?" Suisen asked again. "Argo chya?!" The second time coming a little bit more surprised than the first as Argo carefully pressed her small partner against her cheek, feeling the familiar warmth as Suisen hugged back.

"I . . . I . . ." She wanted to say so much. But how did she explain it? And then, it turned out she didn't have to.

"Tis okay." Suisen said softly. "Tis okay Nee-chan."
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No...It's nothing...It's just a little rain. Why is it raining in my house?

[MANLY TEARS]

I seriously didn't need this after listening to "Act II: The Father of Death"

Specifically "The State VS Thomas Light"
 
Nicholai said:
That is entirely possible, Tython. It would have been wiser, politically, for him to be up front with the other Fae Lords & Ladies as soon as he knew about the problem. He would have gotten a lot of mileage out of saying "back when this was a game.." because those were the sorts of things pretty much every leader did or considered.

By not sharing he indicates he wanted to keep this a secret .. and he possibly has other secrets. He also put lives at risk. At least two people were killed after the first murders. He might not have known that Rip was involved then, but the assumption from the others is going to be that he did. If they had that information they could have pooled information on Rip & his alternate forms, turned out "the army" (police, volunteers, and so on) to hunt him down, and "solved the problem without more loss of life."

Note: The last sentiment is an assumption. There is nothing preventing Rip from fleeing the Fae areas, hiding in the wilderness, or hiding among the Tristanian population until the search dies down. In fact, if he is at all canny, that is what he's doing in HalO right now..
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Mortimer Specifically said he hadn't even thought about Rip Jack until Vakarian came to talk to him. He was simply to busy to even remember one of the many times he had hired an assassin in game.
 
Kolar said:
So did she get the ears and tail because she is a Recon Pixie, or because Argo is a Cait Syth?
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The latter. Pixies have a wide variety of possible transformations, and their casts are named after discovery, as shown in the omakes. Suisen is the first 'mouse-girl pixie,' so she gets to name it.
 
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