Halkegenia Online Thread 7: "Arrun Noir"
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Think on what TH has said in the past. Honestly, I'm ashamed that it took me so long to figure this out. But, will Yui switch back to pixie form and discover that both forms are effected, or somehow learn that she can blossom in human form?Inverness said:
Triggerhappy
Stick with Trigger and You'll Make it Through
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Good question. I've thought about it, and I'm not so sure. We might have to remove Yui's Pixie mode in her upcoming transformation into a Maeve.Rolfson said:
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Stupid stupid Sakuya, that's how it always starts now you will have the Slyphs thinking that it is Mortimer's fault, the salamanders knowing otherwise, and created a very real risk of ostracizing the salamanders with everybody until Mortimer gives a public apology for something he didn't do.Triggerhappy said:
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Technically he is responsible for not calling off his assassinations once he had a full grasp of what the "transition" had done. The very least he could have done was try to get into contact with all of his assassins that had made the transition and told them that all hits are off for the time being due to the larger crisis at hand.Vaermina said:
jwolfe_beta
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Good point, especially regarding this bit:Tython82 said:
Nobody except the Mortimer and Eugene likely know how many assassins/trouble shooters Mort had/still has on the payroll.
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And that is worth creating the conditions for a civil war at most or creating high racial tensions at least by telling someone with the mental acuity of a small child something that will to her translate to "it's all the salamanders fault"?Tython82 said:
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Where does a civil war come in? If Mort had just sent off messages to his men telling them that all hits are off and took care of the ones that decided to say screw you to him then none of this would have happened.Vaermina said:
He can't send an in-game mail any more. How is he supposed to get messages to the assassins?Tython82 said:
As has already been mentioned, on top of the difficulty in contacting them, he (apparently) didn't have any reason to believe that they'd be crazy enough to kill someone for real (as opposed to killing an avatar in a game). That said, his CYA approach hasn't made him look good.Tython82 said:
Triggerhappy
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Especially if he doesn't know that they were logged in at the time of the Transition, didn't show up in any of the census data, and wouldn't know where to send the letter. On top of that. By the time a letter reached the assassin they'd have either already finished up their hit or realized that this was reality now and backed the fuck down.Zeful said:
Then of course, there's the fact that Moritimer isn't exactly socially adept or particularly diplomatic. He likely wanted to do something similar to what Sakuya and the other Lords have already been doing by staging the release of information prior to actually revealing it to the public. Wanting a few hours to give the people in his faction a heads up before the general announcement went out is almost reasonable.
Vakarian simply exercised understandable but poor judgement by wanted to discuss it with Mortimer first.
Or at least, that's how I wanted things to come across.
There's also the very obvious fact that if Sakuya is his target, why hasn't he gone after her yet?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Basically, Mortimer isn't as good at politics as he thinks he is. He's trying to be Lord Vetinari... Without realizing that the reason Lord Vetinari is untouchable is because Everyone has an interest in keeping him in power, and not because he hides his dirty laundry well and kills problematic figures.
Just as Sakuya is playing up the role of the wise statesman, Mortimer's reacting to the transition by falling deeper into his character--because it's better then freaking out and panicking--except that he isn't nearly charismatic or ridiculously intelligent enough to pull off a Vetinari--so he just comes off as some douchebag who's trying to fuck with everyone for his own gain.
As people said, this Could have been resolved easily if he just came clean as soon as he had reason to suspect--or put someone neutral into power instead of someone who could be interpreted as one of his cronies (And has, so far, seemed to have been impeding the investigation). It could have even been mollified by him admitting he fucked up and asking to cooperate. But he feels that "If I apologize, they'll just use it against me", because he's still in the mindset that it's him against the world, so he just doubles-down on the LARPing, which makes the situation a hundred times worse.
This story line is probably going to result in Mortimer ending up having to eat some humble pie--either that, or he'll find himself actually With the power that he thought he wanted--and he'll finally realize that being in charge is the Worst fucking place to be
Just as Sakuya is playing up the role of the wise statesman, Mortimer's reacting to the transition by falling deeper into his character--because it's better then freaking out and panicking--except that he isn't nearly charismatic or ridiculously intelligent enough to pull off a Vetinari--so he just comes off as some douchebag who's trying to fuck with everyone for his own gain.
As people said, this Could have been resolved easily if he just came clean as soon as he had reason to suspect--or put someone neutral into power instead of someone who could be interpreted as one of his cronies (And has, so far, seemed to have been impeding the investigation). It could have even been mollified by him admitting he fucked up and asking to cooperate. But he feels that "If I apologize, they'll just use it against me", because he's still in the mindset that it's him against the world, so he just doubles-down on the LARPing, which makes the situation a hundred times worse.
This story line is probably going to result in Mortimer ending up having to eat some humble pie--either that, or he'll find himself actually With the power that he thought he wanted--and he'll finally realize that being in charge is the Worst fucking place to be
jwolfe_beta
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And unlike Sakuya, he doesn't have a lot of colleagues that can and will point out his problems. Most likely Eugene is going to sit him down at some point with some variation of "I'm worried about you brother".Alectai said:
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Other-way around actually, Mortimer was the wise one given just how bad it's going to be for the FL if these killings are in any way connected to them. Something which is now unavoidable given that Sakuya seems to be spreading the information around to anyone who asks.Alectai said:
You do realize that Mortimer found out that it was Rip Jack at the same time the others did, and wouldn't have even known that if it wasn't for one of the investigators thinking to inform him?
Which means the only thing he is guilty of is the same thing Sakuya is, and that is withholding information till it is convenient to tell others.
TH - that's entirely valid. I was just trying to point out how everyone else could take it in a "worst case scenario" sense. And, let's face it, people are dying. They are going to be assuming "worst case" as a starting point while they try to save lives.Triggerhappy said:
Once people calm down, if Mortimer can prove he was taking steps to try and contain the problem himself it will probably die down. If he can't.. bad things. Not necessarily a civil war like Vaer was assuming, but it will lead to some internal strife among the factions. The downside to this is it would shatter their united front in negotiating with the Tristanian nobility, thus weakening the Fae's position, and probably cause a lot of stress /angst in regards to joint military operations.
Xexilf
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Because the barrier is still there (i think)?Mastigo said:
I think kirito was actually on top of it.
The barrier is still there, only now it's magic instead data.Mastigo said:
It's a 3d sphere.Mastigo said:
I cant help but feel that Sakuya is still thinking like a faction leader instead of a "lord of the fae". I mean instantly blaming Mortimer and bringing a mob (a real one) to his door just because the guy ordered a hit on her when it was all a game? That's passing judgment a bit to early. It just seems to me like she hasn't cottoned on to the fact that he may not be like how he was while playing the game.
Actually, "Its all Mortimers fault" might be one of her coping mechanisms.
Mortimers got his own faults but his reasoning of "what will it look like if you don't word things correctly" is sound. Especially with what happened to the Beta testers in SAO.
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Actually, "Its all Mortimers fault" might be one of her coping mechanisms.
Mortimers got his own faults but his reasoning of "what will it look like if you don't word things correctly" is sound. Especially with what happened to the Beta testers in SAO.
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The tree is not that big. Its huge, but it doesn't even cover more than a small part of Alfheim, so it wont cover Tristain either.Mastigo said:
It was already confirmed in canon. If I remember correctly if you kill the faction leader, then your faction can temporarily occupy the other factions city, during that time I thought you can raise a tax on all goods traded. And I'm not sure, but you might have gotten a large part or all of the treasury.Xexilf said:
Basically faction leader kills are quite valuable as such, thus why they tend to have guards when they left their territory, As well as tended to keep departures from the city secret. (Obviously it doesn't work like that when not in a game though)
It would kind of depend I imagine, in a sense it's a spell that she knows. In ZnT canon Rhyme dragons also know a spell to achieve such as well. So it partially becomes a question of, would she forget how to do it?Triggerhappy said:
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Interesting story snip further, got some more background on various things. And it also gave a brief breathing space from some built up tensions in other sections.
Noticed two particular spelling errors; ' "Hinagiku-san says that Mister Raz did a really good job straightening the brake, ' brake should be break
And ' "Argo, I'm hungry, and tired ba. ' incomplete sentance?
If you kill a Faction Leader, you automatically get 30% of that Faction's Treasury, get to occupy their Territory for ten days, and can level whatever taxes you like.Quickshot0 said:
In short, ganking Faction Leaders gets your side a lot.
InfiniteFreedom
Benign hackers unite.
The next part in the Shiori pregnancy arc.Infinite Freedo said:
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3 1/2 months in
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"Names?"
The Shiori looked at the father of their children in confusion. Finally the one that had come to be know as Iori spoke up, "What?"
"Names, do you have any thoughts towards names for the babies?" Recon asked.
"Oh." That was something they hadn't thought of yet. But one name did come to mind.
"Nanami."
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I think that isn't a fair or accurate assessment of Sakuya's actions. As Mortimer himself pointed out, she shared his inclination to limit most information to those who need to know. Mortimer's instinctive definition of "immediately need-to-know" just happened to exclude the other leaders and investigators...Vaermina said:
(I wouldn't count bursting into Mortimer's office, since those present should have earned a modicum of trust, and moreover she was already preparing a public announcement in any case.)
I agree that Mortimer's actions prior to the revelation, as well as his general thoughts on how to carefully disseminate the news, may be justifiable.
However, his handling of Sakuya was a bit tactless. Even a mote of conciliation or empathy would have gone a long way. Talking up realpolitik may fit his roleplaying image, but it was unnecessarily alienating.
jwolfe_beta
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The guy can be rather tactless. Consider the scene where they found out about the love letter and he just scoffed at the idea of it having major importance.Mysterius said:
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Not to mention that the "Multi-stage Faerie" attempt was what made them put the barrier around the WT branches in the first place.Daeven Anell said: