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Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

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And if they get the Jormungthingy out, I think the Fae will offer the usual solution for many people on Earth.
Since they can't get it down with conventional weapons...

USE A BIGGER BOOM !

 
GeshronTyler said:
From what I remember of Sheffield's thoughts after surviving Shiori's attack when considering countermeasures was that she expected the Fae to make the Jomungander ineffective fairly quickly, but that the Gargoyles would take some time in development and production before being deployable effectively. She considered that it might simply be time to use the Jormunganders in the upcoming invasion to get at least some use out of them.
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That's true, but I think, that Joseph will turn that down, if Sheffield will want to do it herself. It's simply too impractical right now.

Firstly, how many of them are operational right now? If their building is going like in canon ZnT, then only one is build right now and is currently fitted with the weapons and with the Counter Ward. Probably another could be build with the parts available. Gallia has others (six or so) still unprepared and their build schedule will be lengthened due the aforementioned second Jomungander speedy finish.

Secondly, how will they deploy them, without revealing, that Gallia's government is the one backing Reconquista? Shipment to Albion and than back to Tristain is to man and time consuming and it will still be to risky. How did Albion build them without anyone knowing? Or the Gallian sponsor without Gallia's government knowing about it and at least tolerating it, which is unlikely? (not to mentioning something as mundane as where they get money to build something so expensive)

So what I could see happen is dependent on how much Joseph likes his new toys.

A) He likes them too much. The program will continue unhindered despite Sheffield's protests.

B) He will hear Sheffield out. The program will be quietly stopped with some Jomungands still build but no new one (they can be used as a siege weapons). The steelworks will be use to build other weapons. Gargoyle production will be risen up and new weapon research programs will be started - perhaps on Fae weapons and knowledge stolen by spies like Tabitha.
 
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Some interesting stuff I found on Drawcrowd some time previously today. As we already have a fairly general idea on what a Fae will look like, possible look for Pixies in the distant future? Though maybe not quite so well-endowed of course.



P.S.: I'm pretty sure the ice-winged one is a really effeminate male, though at the same time it could be a really bifauxnen female. I unno', I never was good at physiological identification (Pscyhological ones, then yeah.).
 
Exsequens said:
Salvaged and patched what was fix-able from the lineart, set alongside the old armor for comparison. May as well see what's worth keeping and discarding.



Left bracer is bigger to store modified Assassin's Blade. The helmet in this one is sleeker, though I might switch to the first draft helmet for the next version, especially for the ears.

And to shorten those sabatons, how I drew them too long I fail to realize how I did that.
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This stuff still look like something that picked straight out of sci-fi game like Halo or Destiny. The problem is the fanny pack (utility belt) and the front pelvis section still look too streamlined and futuristic and the thigh armor still doesn't cover the whole thigh and still have too many section. Also why cloth skirt? and why so long? I know you like the idea of a longgcoat but with restricted budget and funtionality, wouldn't some cheap cloak or longcoat that cover up to the shoulder but can be easily remove in combat more suitable than an detachable skirt?
 
besbin said:
This stuff still look like something that picked straight out of sci-fi game like Halo or Destiny. The problem is the fanny pack (utility belt) and the front pelvis section still look too streamlined and futuristic and the thigh armor still doesn't cover the whole thigh and still have too many section. Also why cloth skirt? and why so long? I know you like the idea of a longgcoat but with restricted budget and funtionality, wouldn't some cheap cloak or longcoat that cover up to the shoulder but can be easily remove in combat more suitable than an detachable skirt?
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My understanding is that the waist cape is a specific thing being used as Kirito's signature. Though it could be a nice officer uniform feature.

As for inhibiting mobility, a full cape or longcoat would inhibit him more and be harder to remove. It's also cheaper to do than a cloak or longcoat by it's very nature as only half as long.
 
besbin said:
This stuff still look like something that picked straight out of sci-fi game like Halo or Destiny. The problem is the fanny pack (utility belt) and the front pelvis section still look too streamlined and futuristic and the thigh armor still doesn't cover the whole thigh and still have too many section. Also why cloth skirt? and why so long? I know you like the idea of a longgcoat but with restricted budget and funtionality, wouldn't some cheap cloak or longcoat that cover up to the shoulder but can be easily remove in combat more suitable than an detachable skirt?
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The real problem is actually that that area is nearly impossible to armor otherwise, especially if you only have bulky materials to work with (say, plate armor). You have a couple of major arteries that run on the insides of the leg there, which makes it a major target; one good slice and your opponent is guaranteed to go down really fast. So the armor either had a chainmail skirt (a compromise between flexibility and protection), or an extra plate there.
For that matter, there was usually an underlayer of chainmail for every joint - you can't fully plate any of them, and most of them have major arteries near the surface.
@Exsequens - what's the neck armor and head support look like? If I was fighting somebody dressed like that I'd attempt to knock them in the head, dazing them/giving them a concussion (which is why there were bucket helms - they transmitted overhead blows into the shoulders).
 
Xandros said:
The real problem is actually that that area is nearly impossible to armor otherwise, especially if you only have bulky materials to work with (say, plate armor). You have a couple of major arteries that run on the insides of the leg there, which makes it a major target; one good slice and your opponent is guaranteed to go down really fast. So the armor either had a chainmail skirt (a compromise between flexibility and protection), or an extra plate there.
For that matter, there was usually an underlayer of chainmail for every joint - you can't fully plate any of them, and most of them have major arteries near the surface.
@Exsequens - what's the neck armor and head support look like? If I was fighting somebody dressed like that I'd attempt to knock them in the head, dazing them/giving them a concussion (which is why there were bucket helms - they transmitted overhead blows into the shoulders).
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First of all I am not rejecting the idea of the 'skirt', we have examples of armor that have pelvis and thigh protection in the form of skirt before. It's called tassets and basically it's a group of small section of plated chained together which are sometime reinforced with mail or cloth underneath. But a real tassets would cover both front and back of the pelvis and thigh and not like that cloth skirt in the picture. My major problem with the sketch is that the 'front' section is still uncovered and still look like an 20th - 21st century ceramic/kevlar armor with some modification.

Good point about the lack of neck protection though. But blunt attack are mostly protected by the helmet through some degree of slope to divert the blow and not the neck guard. IIRC most neck guard are to protect against cheap shot directly at the neck and not to support it against a blunt attack to the head.
 
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No plan survives contact with the enemy.
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Inverness said:
I prefer "no enemy survives contact with the plan" myself.
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The actual, original quote by von Moltke the Elder (translated from German) is, "No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength."

Between that, and his other famous quote, "Strategy is a system of expedients," he's basically advocating that military strategy needs to be looked at as a system of options, and contingency plans upon contingency plans to take advantage of whatever options open up at any given time. (And considering this was the guy who pretty much redesigned warfare for the modern age as well as pushed the Prussian Empire to its absolute height, he clearly must have been onto something.)
 
besbin said:
This stuff still look like something that picked straight out of sci-fi game like Halo or Destiny.
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While I agree that this isn't what we should be shooting for exactly, I do think a slight element of modern/sci-fi/fantastical in Faerie equipment is a nice touch to differentiate it from native made armor.
 
Given that Alfheim was a game, I could easily imagine a lot of unique, potentially semi impossible outfits ranging from modern, ancient to futuristic or just impossibly magical. Like a Puca with Speakers floating above their shoulders, or something with glowing balls of energy, granted Alfheim did seem more grounded in what passes as realism for a fantasy MMO/setting.

Personally I adore the armor, will Kino be getting a set? :)


Edit: I actually meant Kuro, this is what I get for commenting at 1 am.
 
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Zam said:
Given that Alfheim was a game, I could easily imagine a lot of unique, potentially semi impossible outfits ranging from modern, ancient to futuristic or just impossibly magical. Like a Puca with Speakers floating above their shoulders, or something with glowing balls of energy, granted Alfheim did seem more grounded in what passes as realism for a fantasy MMO/setting.

Personally I adore the armor, will Kino be getting a set? :)
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Actually I do like this. I would like to see a few more examples of truely 'fantasy' outfits and how they got translated into actual physical effects.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Yes. I don't understand why you would have to explain it being safe. Other than maybe the last one.
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Its more that it'd unleash the floodgate for other posters to come up with similar ideas that would be very bad in the idea of the mods about indecency depending how how far they go with the idea(s).

And since we've already had a mod visit this week, lets just nip this one in the bud (no, not a pun), and avoid the entire situation.
 
Ah yes. That I can completely agree with.

While there are plenty of impossible and over the top things in thid story I try to give them a veneer of realism and practicality.

Case in point the fact that every female Faerie in either a skirt or a dress wears shorts underneath. :cool:
 
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Triggerhappy said:
Ah yes. That I can completely agree with.

While there are plenty of impossible and over the top things in thid story I try to give them a veneer of realism and practicality.

Case in point the fact that every female Faerie in either a skirt or a dress wears shorts underneath. :cool:
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Which is why panty shots are now so coveted among boys & men - its one of those things they really can only imagine about getting a glimpse of anymore. Or at least, not outside of the more daring Faeries.

That or nylons, once nylons get re-invented, that is. But then again, Bikini & Thongs will pop up eventually for beach-going.
 
Sakuya's Butler said:
Which is why panty shots are now so coveted among boys & men - its one of those things they really can only imagine about getting a glimpse of anymore. Or at least, not outside of the more daring Faeries.

That or nylons, once nylons get re-invented, that is. But then again, Bikini & Thongs will pop up eventually for beach-going.
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"Damn the Railgun effect" cry out the various male faries. "Why couldn't we get Strike Witches instead!"

Actually that is an interesting thought though. Just how will fasions shift with fae pushing a revolutionary 20th century morality upon Tristain?

Will the bikini or nylons or leotards become 'acceptable' flight wear? We've already seen that fae ideas on swimsuits are already taking off, rather than those goofy turn of the 20th century stripy body suits. (of course Halkengenia already apparently was on the way given the obligatory swimsuit episode of the anime.)

What about flight speed competitions? Will we start seeing the equivilant of racing swimsuits or speed skating unitards for flight where they are specifically made to reduce all possible air resistance? What about flying caps, to cover up hair, or will shaved heads become more popular?

Maybe I should stop wondering about the fasion of the olympic games infesting flight.
 
Well the twins were apparently wearing bikinis skimpy enough to turn Leafa'a head. So more . . . Or less . . . That just a simple two piece.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Ah yes. That I can completely agree with.

While there are plenty of impossible and over the top things in thid story I try to give them a veneer of realism and practicality.

Case in point the fact that every female Faerie in either a skirt or a dress wears shorts underneath. :cool:
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Except Balandene, who doesn't like flying because it's "weird" and refuses to dress in a way conducive to "weird" activities if she can avoid it.
 
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