- Location
- Somewhere
Thermite requires aluminum, which isn't currently available in Halk.koolerkid said:
Halkegenia Online. Thread 2!
- Thread starter Triggerhappy
- Start date
Pretty hard considering White Phosphorus is known to self-ignite when exposed to air and is the least stable and most reactive allotrope of phosphorus.koolerkid said:
- Location
- Somewhere
To produce aluminum you first need to find bauxite. To refine it you need electrolytic smelting, which is a bit beyond their reach right now.koolerkid said:
Don't know, but I assume that it's a surface area/mass ignition (it's also stated to glow), and thus only volatile as a powder. But that stuff wasn't part of the report I had to give on phosphorus in middle school. That it reacts with air and is poisonous when handled is where my focus was.koolerkid said:
lancelot
Completely worth it
Fixed it for you because the idea that an self respecting demo expert couldn't find or make something that blows up better then black powder is ridiculous.Triggerhappy said:
Just wondering before but I take it Kirito's spell reads magic humans and none magic humans as the same race?
- Location
- Oblivion
They should probably hold off on trying to enforce any major structure for the time being. Because at this point enough people would still be in the game mindset, that instead of working together their first thought would be "hmmm whats in it for me" and "can I get a better deal elsewhere".Felix3D said:
Shikaze
Mecha-Musume Enthusiast
- Location
- Nantes, France
Just had an idea about how to get confirmation about Louise's part in the summoning of the World Tree.
Now that she's up and about, and often training her mgic during the day, have Sugu go to the Academy ( Random courrier mission ? She made friend with someone there ?). Since Sugu's going, Yui decides to go with her.
Once at the academy, Yui's sensing .... something. It doesn't stay, only comes by burst. Following those bursts, she comes upon Louise training.
"... How come you're exchanging data with Cardinal ?"
As in, every time she uses magic, she also sends part of her memory in Cardinal. Since she's for now the only link it has to anything else, Cardinal's milking Louise memory for all it's worth.
Tsundere Cardinal ? *gets shot*
And if you want to break the mind of Louise and the others.
"How can you have an incomplete download called Gandalfr ?! You don't even have the tecnology to download information !"
Now that she's up and about, and often training her mgic during the day, have Sugu go to the Academy ( Random courrier mission ? She made friend with someone there ?). Since Sugu's going, Yui decides to go with her.
Once at the academy, Yui's sensing .... something. It doesn't stay, only comes by burst. Following those bursts, she comes upon Louise training.
"... How come you're exchanging data with Cardinal ?"
As in, every time she uses magic, she also sends part of her memory in Cardinal. Since she's for now the only link it has to anything else, Cardinal's milking Louise memory for all it's worth.
And if you want to break the mind of Louise and the others.
"How can you have an incomplete download called Gandalfr ?! You don't even have the tecnology to download information !"
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
feels to antics-y and flimsy for this story.Shikaze said:
LGear
Secret Society BLANKET
I'd imagine that given that Yui no longer has a more concrete link with Cardinal, that she would be unable to make such precise observations on Louise's magic. Nonetheless, it's easy enough to imagine Yui feeling that something is "off" with Louise, as though she's part of Cardinal's system. It won't be the nail in the coffin that Louise is the one ultimately responsible for this entire affair, but it will further strengthen the argument for it.Shikaze said:
NecroMac
Shiroe vi Akihabara Commands you...
But we cannot forget how magic and modern knowledge can work together.
An example.
A golem. Depending on how many commands one golem can remember, a professional programmer can make quite a lot with.
Its based on very basic AI that those golems have, summoner doesn't need to control every single movement golem make, all he need to do are commands.
And this commands are like every single programming language.
If done properly, one programmer write scroll with such "code", and just distribute it. Earth mage(i wonder if there are golem like creature in Fea's magic?) line by line ordering his golem those command line he teach his golem how to make for e.g "gather_wheat" or some mass production stuff.
2nd thing is food preservation. Ice mage + deep cellar, sure it can be used by halk mages, but only by nobles and only those who can make ice spells. And Fea can create a lot of such fridge and cast few frost spells to make a lot of ice, on a much greater scale.
3rd Engines, I don't remember if it was a fic or anime, but Colbert made an basic engine while studying plane "zero". While i'm not an expert on this matter, i think there would be few mechanic maniacs who know how those things work, and create some basic steam engines at start.
In the end there can always be Nagato like, quiet, DFC girl that have encyclopedia in her head
to explain things.
One thing that makes me wonder is that SAO is placed in 2022 so it is 9 years in the future. How does it make this people different from us?
First of all, thinking that all of those 60 000 people are under aged children is a grave mistake. Right now(2013) major part of MMO community is like 17-25, maybe even more and 9 years into the future will only expand this because those who have played as Children will mostly continue to play when they grow up, just like today, old people often spend they leisure time listening radio or watching TV. We spend our time a bit different and i don't see a reason for us to abandon our way of doing it.
An example.
A golem. Depending on how many commands one golem can remember, a professional programmer can make quite a lot with.
Its based on very basic AI that those golems have, summoner doesn't need to control every single movement golem make, all he need to do are commands.
And this commands are like every single programming language.
If done properly, one programmer write scroll with such "code", and just distribute it. Earth mage(i wonder if there are golem like creature in Fea's magic?) line by line ordering his golem those command line he teach his golem how to make for e.g "gather_wheat" or some mass production stuff.
2nd thing is food preservation. Ice mage + deep cellar, sure it can be used by halk mages, but only by nobles and only those who can make ice spells. And Fea can create a lot of such fridge and cast few frost spells to make a lot of ice, on a much greater scale.
3rd Engines, I don't remember if it was a fic or anime, but Colbert made an basic engine while studying plane "zero". While i'm not an expert on this matter, i think there would be few mechanic maniacs who know how those things work, and create some basic steam engines at start.
In the end there can always be Nagato like, quiet, DFC girl that have encyclopedia in her head
to explain things.One thing that makes me wonder is that SAO is placed in 2022 so it is 9 years in the future. How does it make this people different from us?
First of all, thinking that all of those 60 000 people are under aged children is a grave mistake. Right now(2013) major part of MMO community is like 17-25, maybe even more and 9 years into the future will only expand this because those who have played as Children will mostly continue to play when they grow up, just like today, old people often spend they leisure time listening radio or watching TV. We spend our time a bit different and i don't see a reason for us to abandon our way of doing it.
Interesting, though considering they can also recharge off of moonlight, one can but assume they're using light as a way to get the magic to fully function. Moonlight is ridiculously weak after all, so that it's sufficient says something.Echo 8 said:
Still, this means their flight magic is pretty potent, 7.5 kW is a lot of energy to put out in such a small form. Hmmm... no wonder they're so strong I guess...
Though this brings up the question, 7.5 kW is about 10 HP according to google. So does that mean they can apply the strength of 10 horses at maximum exertion?(Assuming this is their maximum inherent capacity, their other magic may or may not be inherent after all) In any case I guess it kind of fits their other feats, like Kirito swinging that super heavy sword one-handed. Or having the strength to deflect hits from a field boss. (Ignoring durability issues)
Moving on to another topic entirely, I also saw some one bring up a Fresno Scraper, so I decided to look it up. It's a late 19th century invention for moving earth by muscle power. (Typically two horses, though a Faerie should be able to operate one by their own power if above calcs apply) And it turns out it gives a 400% increase in total amount of Earth you can move in one go, compared to previous ground scraper designs. Also all our modern Earth moving equipment seems to use derivatives, so every one should have basically seen it in a sense.
And there one assumes 19th century scrapers were likely more efficient then previous ways of moving Earth as well, the total gain if one way to introduce one would probably exceed 400 percent. (While it's not certain, one guesses the typical average Earth mage may not be as productive as this? Or otherwise might not be to interested in digging a canal?) Combined with the device is a simple, pretty much solid state piece of engineering, with no real precision needed, thus any smith should be able to make it. And there is a possibility of introducing an absolute revolution in productivity increase in moving dirt. (They're so good, they used the darn things to help make the Panama Canal)
And this makes me pretty excited, because well, Tristain is considered roughly equivalent to the low countries, which means canals are extremely viable. Which is extremely important, because canals allow for transportation even cheaper then rail, which is why they continued to be made in the 19th century despite rail competition. (One can pull a barge along a canal with just a horse, this means that one can get a magic free transportation network, freeing up a lot of mages and wind stones) And there making canals requires lots of Earth moving, and Earth moving just saw a truly absurd increase in productivity. Well, making canals obviously just got a lot cheaper and quicker.
And the above becomes even more feasible once one remembers they have a lot of extra gold, which can be used to free up workers in Tristain to make them, via buying a lot of products from other countries. End result, Tristain might be able to network many of its major cities together via a canal network and greatly increase its trading ability.
Another idea, could Faeries be able to negotiate with Elves for buying up Wind Stones from them? They theoretically could side step the typical legalistic and religious reasons atleast.
Lastly I developed a few questions on the genocide spell. Namely, for one, magic uses willpower in Halkeginia, so one would assume the genocide spell as well. This brings up the question though, how many people could it kill before the living battery it uses to power itself runs dry? Would it really be able to kill every one in a very large population as such? And of course one can then also start wondering in which order it would start killing them, closest first?
Secondly, also pertaining to the genocide spell, how specific is it really? Considering Half-Elves exist, and that Half-Elves are probably also capable of reproducing. Well, this places the 'species' difference between Elves and Humans on rather dubious grounds. Rather, at first glance one would actually assume there has been low level continuous mixing between both groups, despite the best efforts of both groups to discourage it, else why Tiffania? As such, rather then separate species, in Biology one would typically call them distinct races. Which brings me back to how specific the genocide spell is, it would be rather troubling for everyone after all, if it turned out it would terminate Elves and Humans alike if set to an Elf target.
Due to this, I would say the popes plan is possibly literally suicidal and stupid as well, compared to alternatives that atleast allow some people to survive.
Not really. They're subjects of the crown. That was part of the deal. Even if the elves were receptive to the idea of trade with Faeries, there's no way any trade between them would be seen as anything but consorting with the enemy.Quickshot0 said:
A genocide spell that runs dry before finishing the job because the target population was big would be kind of silly now would it?Quickshot0 said:
Willpower isn't an issue in any case. The last familiar becomes a receptacle for the power that would fuel the genocide ritual. Capacity should be sufficient.
The Varyag, or however you spell them, were implied to be iron age humans IIRC.Quickshot0 said:
And keep in mind that Louise's void bomb was smart enough to distinguish between blowing everything up or keeping its effects to non-lethal only.
Precision isn't an issue.
Khaos
Baguette, wine and cheese
A good idea on how to implement that is that earth mages have already invented the concept of algorithms and decision trees, they've worked with golems for centuries and know about it. But there would be no unified system and some conventions are simply clunky. Mages and Fae now work together to implement a better system.NecroMac said:
You'd think so, then one reads up on trading republics and one realises what amazing legal convolutions people some times go through to get monetary and military advantages. Tristain for instance sure could use a bigger fleet...Mashadarof402 said:
So legally speaking one could certainly use an intermediary non-human to get it from the elves and then go with the fiction that they are just buying it from the Faeries, and they might have got it with mining, right? They have good miners after all, so that could totally be it. Just got lucky finding a batch of wind stones, yup. Or maybe they had a store of them when they arrived, could totally be it as well.
Now if Tristain is willing to abuse such loopholes for its own advantage? No idea. Just as I don't know if the Elves would be willing to do so, though they might not mind helping the Brimiric nations along in their self destructive wars, thus keeping them busy internally. Perhaps Flere or another expert could throw some light on this though?
Whether it's silly or not is kind of irrelevant, it wouldn't be the first time that a name isn't entirely accurate, or didn't account for later discovered limitations. And can we really be sure that a familiar would have sufficient capacity? Though I'll admit they probably would have in the case of elves, one just can't help but wonder if that would still hold true if the population number was in the billions.
Let me counter this by pointing out that the Archduke of Saxe Gothe was doing rather the same thing. Look where that got him, his estate, family and retainers.Quickshot0 said:
The strength of any law is dictated by how much the authorities want to enforce it, and how big an enemy the people infringing those laws have.
And the Fae are bound to make plenty of enemies amongst the low and high nobility.
Void magic works at the quantum scale, is intelligent enough to have excellent target precision, and as shown in this story, has enough power to materialize entire city states and a super skyscraper sized world tree with no additional input from the caster.Quickshot0 said:
Power is not an issue.
ckk185
Crazy Bunny Girl Scientist
- Location
- Port city
Theres a very big difference between infantry and special forces (I meant that in the you learn different things based on vocations). And one thing you don't learn is how to use science to produce assorted chemical based explosives and warfare agentskoolerkid said:
Take a good hard look at the MSDS of any warfare agent and explosive. You sure you want to try? Hell, you sure you want to carry them in a backpack in the first place?
Aluminium. As addressed by the posters above.
Both are extremely dangerous in regards to storage and usage of, when I say dangerous, I meant to yourself. I have seen the regs for the storage of Chem weps. They aren't something Halkengia can whip up in a instant.
Congradulations, you now have a highly unstable explosive that goes off without rhyme or reason. How do you propose on delivering said unstable explosives without using accidental suicide bombers?
That's certainly true, thus why it's dependent on what Tristain wants as an independent nation. I certainly am not proposing the Faeries do this out of their own volition. But it's a possible gambit they could discuss with the Tristanian government. It's an issue of how desperately one would want something like Wind Stones right now. All the legalistic loopholes after that are just ways to justify it to other Brimiric countries afterwards, if they get caught that is. Something that is far from assured they would be if they actually tried it.Mashadarof402 said:
Debate at times has indicated that the Seed/Cardinal quite possibly/likely used alternate power sources to keep the materialization going. So on one side you are right, if done correctly you could assure sufficient power to do this. On the other side, would a 'standard' Genocide Spell do so? I have strong doubts about that, else Brimir need not have use up a familiar in the first place after all. So it likely is open to will power exhaustion. In that regard I suppose one could make the cost even worse by adding defences that have to be penetrated as well, counter is known to be able to block out Void spells to an extent for instance.
ckk185
Crazy Bunny Girl Scientist
- Location
- Port city
Good luck convincing sane individuals who have something to work towards to act as suicide bombers. Wait, scratch that. Good luck having your amateur chemist survive one minute after making nitroglycerin.artanis00 said:
Okay okay, we get it. While the development of high explosives isn't impossible, it would require many years of research to get it right. It certainly wouldn't be an option for the upcoming conflict.
The same goes for the issues of introducing ideas of government, economics, education, and general technological advancement. They might start to lay the foundation, but true results won't appear for a good long while, years if not decades. Not to mention how the faeries have to acheive actual unity to even try to do any of that. Good thing they're long lived then.
The same goes for the issues of introducing ideas of government, economics, education, and general technological advancement. They might start to lay the foundation, but true results won't appear for a good long while, years if not decades. Not to mention how the faeries have to acheive actual unity to even try to do any of that. Good thing they're long lived then.
- Location
- Germany
While reading the 8th chapter again, I had some thoughts I would like to share...
First, Louise seemed to be interested in this "sword learning woman"... its not clear if she was curious about the person or about the 'sword learning' part. Could it be that Louise is looking for something different besides her magic where she can succeed?
Second, Louise's summoning ritual was at least the trigger of the transferal of the Faeries, might she be compatible with their magic? Yes, Brimir might have locked up all future Void-Mages to be dependent on his artifact and restrictions, but I guess he would have never dreamed up a void-mage summoning bring in 60000 Faeries with their own form of magic. Would be interesting to see if Louise can 'sidestep' her problem with 'normal' spells this way.
Third, I think the Faeries have a good chance to earn money with their crafting skills. The anime focused on the "fighter characters", but even the players of todays MMO's (like WOW) love to get customized clothing or other things. I would not be surprised if there would be a lot of Faeries with skills that result in valuable trading goods.
Which brings me to the fourth point, the comment that the Cait Syth want to keep/domesticate the spiders... not only this might give them access to very high quality rope (to sell), but maybe also the chance to make something like spider-silk? We already know there are players with 'magical' talents to produce clothing.
First, Louise seemed to be interested in this "sword learning woman"... its not clear if she was curious about the person or about the 'sword learning' part. Could it be that Louise is looking for something different besides her magic where she can succeed?
Second, Louise's summoning ritual was at least the trigger of the transferal of the Faeries, might she be compatible with their magic? Yes, Brimir might have locked up all future Void-Mages to be dependent on his artifact and restrictions, but I guess he would have never dreamed up a void-mage summoning bring in 60000 Faeries with their own form of magic. Would be interesting to see if Louise can 'sidestep' her problem with 'normal' spells this way.
Third, I think the Faeries have a good chance to earn money with their crafting skills. The anime focused on the "fighter characters", but even the players of todays MMO's (like WOW) love to get customized clothing or other things. I would not be surprised if there would be a lot of Faeries with skills that result in valuable trading goods.
Which brings me to the fourth point, the comment that the Cait Syth want to keep/domesticate the spiders... not only this might give them access to very high quality rope (to sell), but maybe also the chance to make something like spider-silk? We already know there are players with 'magical' talents to produce clothing.
- Location
- Tokyo, Japan
Point One reminds me of a Japanese Fic that went the route of "Louise kidnapped at young age, Agnes saves her and becomes surrogate older sister; Louise tries to learn the way of the the Sword to emulate her 'sister' while Agnes is effectively adopted by the Vallieres afterward, especially because Karin likes Agnes's stance towards Combat(and Rule of Steel, to note)"; the point being that Louise is more interested with Swords than Magic.hrogge said:
It kind of makes sense that Karin, as a Wind mage, should have had enough Sword skills at least as Wardes had since the Knights of the Crown of Tristain are not just magic adepts, but potential close combat fighters that can use magic in the heat of battle, close ranged.
ckk185
Crazy Bunny Girl Scientist
- Location
- Port city
You would probably have to figure out what ideas are simple to implement, certain small things can drastically improve health and living standards. Things like basic hygiene (washing your hands, bathing regularly), Exercise, basic dieting and nutrition would do wonders in improve health. Real simple shit like what makes better fertilizer and basic irrigation techniques could go a long way in producing more food. Likewise, standardized scientific units and simple mass production techniques could increase productivity and lay the foundations for a industrial revolution.deadheadzed said:
Hell, just in the case of medicine, we already have awesome shit that can save a shit ton of lives, like CPR and basic first aid, which is damn important, any how. Even with magic.
Hell, in this case, if basic healthcare and increase of productivity bores the ever living shit out of you, military tactics is another thing. As I said before, considering that we as a civilization more or less have thought up of plenty of ways of killing each other efficiently. The Fae could bring in the concept of Special Forces. Sniping of enemy commanders. Terror attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, Improvised explosive device ambushes, but without IEDs. Urban Operations, Sapping of fortifications and the concept of Hit and Run. Shit like this allows you to engage enemies bigger and better equipped than you with what you already have, which is still a big advantage.
Shit like this not as flashy as giant factories and dakka, but they tend to get the job done easier, abet a wee bit more slower.
Thinking big is good, OCP things like chemical warfare and better guns would be horrific game changers, but they are sort of like end game tier equipment, considering their impact. So rather then attempting to turtle and tech up, grab the low hanging fruit first and see what you can do with it first.
An order of magnitude more, too. Yeesh.