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Halkegenia Online. Thread 2!

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Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot to think about. Might need some help on the specifics.

For the time being I thought it would be more realistic for the problems to be dealt with in the order of priority, do what they can to prevent starvation now, so that there is a later to worry about. On the issue of Fae metabolisms, they may be more efficient, but any Fae who is fighting or doing physical work is also probably using way more energy. I'm still not sure how much of the Fae's physical traits are purely biological and how much is inherent magic boosting them in battle.

Any solution to the food issue is going to be multi-pronged of course. Kick the nobles asses into gear to help out, buy food from the nobility and commoners, supplement with hunting, assist the commoners with farming, set up their own farms. Although I'm now curious about the level of agricultural sophistication in Halkegenia. I know people in a given time usually learn to use what they have fairly well so I'm not going to claim that some big boost is possible, but would someone with an Ag degree be able to help set up practices to boost yields? This obviously would take time to implement, several years at least, but its a thought for the future.
 
Felix3D said:
That's not a perfect solution, as there will be a significant resource drain from the surrounding areas, one that they may not be able to afford at the moment. Sure you can get a good amount of food like that, but enough to supplement the diets of 60,000 people? Not to mention the water drain. Assuming we only use water for consumption, and that the fraction of water from food is excluded (around 50%), it still leaves 4 cups a day per person (Assuming normal human standards) without exertion, which translates to 15000 gallons of water/drinking fluid a day. That's a huge resource drain on the surrounding ecosystem/towns, be it consumed in Beer, Wine, or purified water.
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You are still equating this to RL and not considering that this is a fantasy world where any Fae can create water with a spell.
The fae need to plan ahead. While bartering for goods/produce in the short term is a good interm solution, it is not without problems or lasting effects. Smart Fae will come to realize that they must begin producing crops and other products lest prices raise and others suffer. The economy and supply will be in flux, which is not a good thing for people like the commoners, and may even spread unrest until the ALO'ers realize what kind of effect their habits will have and begin working towards a new status quo.
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They may realize that, but there is a big difference from realizing there is a problem and being able to do anything about it. As I pointed out earlier you will not be finding thousands of Fae who are willing to set aside their hopes and dreams to become sustenance farmers.
That being said, is there any word on Fae metabolisms? If they're far more efficient than humans, and require less food overall, we could downplay the food situation.

And another thing that popped into my head. Has there been a scene where Mazarin or the Financial ministers contemplate the effects of the ALO'ers having gold?
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Not yet, but that makes me realize the Fae likely got screwed since those coins would have been 100% pure gold.
 
Ryune said:
Yes. Just about any modern knowledge of farming will help. This is mainly a result from the fact that every nation generally just sidesteps most problems with magic. If I remember correctly(can I get confirmation Flere?) they use mages to help with farming by keeping the soil fertile. Any advances the Fae bring with them is either a boost to productivity or a minimizing of the requirement for mages. Personally I could see a major agricultural boon coming from Fae knowledge working with mage assistance but it is likely to cause conflict with mages that make their living on this kind of work.
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There's also the difficulty of convincing someone to adopt the method in the first place. We know its a good ideas. The commoner farmers might be a bit more suspicious.
 
Well the preachers just need a bit of legitimacy, such as being ennobled or having a writ of permission from the ruling monarch.
 
75% Certain said:
We need a scene where Caramella and Kino awkwardly realize they've been hitting on the same person.
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What makes this extra hilarious to me is that I've been sort of assuming that Kino is a shout-out to the title character from Kino's Journey. Including her ambiguous-gender appearance.

I expect that Kirito's going to learn to troll people who don't know that he's still mentally a heterosexual guy when in girl-form as a way to suppress/redirect the urge to murder Guiche after the 10th or 20th time the latter hits on him.
 
Speaking of the commoner population, I'm wondering if some of the commoners would be enamored by the idea of working in the Fae capitals. While I imagine that they'd still think of the Fae as their superiors due to the ingrained culture, having "nobles" that nonetheless don't treat you like dirt is bound to attract many after word of mouth gets passed around.
 
Bradley McCloud said:
What she said: "But you have to call me Aunt Sugu!"
What she meant:
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Hilariously, I was in fact thinking of that pic while writing this scene.

Anyways for all the future speculation on Yui getting a boyfriend. As amusing as it would be for Yui and Bardiche to be some badass pair, and they may be when they get older, for the purposes of this story their still basically kids. Fae kids, which means they're not entirely helpless and Bardiche is probably pretty handy with a Halberd, but still kids.

Basically what I imagine when they first meet is Bardiche kind of moping, he's one of the youngest people in Arrun, other than his sister, there are only a handful of other 'kids', as in real kids his age to hang out with and relate to. So when he meets Yui and realizes she really isn't an adult in a child like body, he's thankful to have found someone else 'his age' and starts to develop an innocent little crush on the pretty girl. Yui actually ends up pretty sweet on him, first out of curiosity, and then gradually accepting him and his sister as her first 'friends'. Poor kid is in it way to deep by the point that he finds out that 'Papa' is a legendary raid boss in the form of a Fae and 'Mama' is the commander of the Yggdrasil Knights.
 
Triggerhappy said:
There's also the difficulty of convincing someone to adopt the method in the first place. We know its a good ideas. The commoner farmers might be a bit more suspicious.
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Point in favor of feudal manoralism: You only need to convince the land owning nobles, and have them order their tenant farmers (equiv) around.
 
Remind me - who's Bardiche?

And on a side note: On the subject of getting commoners to listen to what the Fae tell them... well, how about "We're Firstborn. How do you think we got to this point?" Which isn't even a lie.

Or just doing it themselves and letting it spread by word of mouth. Actions, words, etc.

Also, remember that the new magic system still hasn't been really explored yet. Permanent automatic irrigation may be a simple matter of a very weak permanent water "attack" spell, for example.

And on the topic of Fae not wanting be a subsistence farmer? Raise your hand if you play Minecraft. :p Some people find designing working subsistence systems fun. More will if they figure out how to make machinery that runs off of runes.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
And on the topic of Fae not wanting be a subsistence farmer? Raise your hand if you play Minecraft. :p Some people find designing working subsistence systems fun.
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Yea, that has nothing to do with actual farming. It is a smelly, sweaty, backbreaking, badpaying job that would have you working from sun up to midnight.
More will if they figure out how to make machinery that runs off of runes.
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Your doing that thing again where you think your head canon is part of the story. ;)
 
That's nice.

The fundamental work is the same. The amount of physical effort may not be - but on the plus side, everyone is now in eternally young Fae bodies who probably don't really get smelly, sweaty, or even have bad spines.

Also, no, you work from sun up to sun down. You can't farm in the dark.

Also, it's not bad paying, not if Sakuya et al are intelligent. Massive subsidies, ho!

And also: I said if. You're doing that thing where you're condescending to everyone who disagrees with you.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
And on the topic of Fae not wanting be a subsistence farmer? Raise your hand if you play Minecraft. :p Some people find designing working subsistence systems fun. More will if they figure out how to make machinery that runs off of runes.
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We might not even need runes. TH can correct me if I am wrong but the Leprechauns were supposed to have a bit of a clockwork theme aside from their super smithing. It shouldn't be magic (unless their clockwork has a Girl Genius style) so in theory anybody (humans and fae) can build, use and maintain it.
 
Blackraptor said:
This awkwardness just makes me want to ship them together. I doesn't make any sense but hey, shipping. Therefore my first OTP of this story is Caramella x Kino.
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Nonsense! Caramella x Agnes is the only true OTP.

TH hinted tragic between Louise and Koko, I think that Koko finds out about the theory that Louise is the one responsible for them being transported to Halkeginia. Cue Koko demanding Louise to return them to Earth. Which is why Koko will need someone to restrain her and give her a shoulder to cry on.

This is a rare opportunity for Karin to show how much she actually cares for Louise, if she is still around at that time.
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mdkcde said:
Nonsense! Caramella x Agnes is the only true OTP.

TH hinted tragic between Louise and Koko, I think that Koko finds out about the theory that Louise is the one responsible for them being transported to Halkeginia. Cue Koko demanding Louise to return them to Earth. Which is why Koko will need someone to restrain her and give her a shoulder to cry on.

This is a rare opportunity for Karin to show how much she actually cares for Louise, if she is still around at that time.
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Not really a spoiler. I mean, it's been speculated a lot on this thread (or was it the first one?). Although, at this point, I'd be upset if TH didn't include it, unless he found an even more painful/joyful way to do that seen. I of course mean joyful for me, cause I'm slightly sadistic.
 
It would make economic sense for a Fae farmer to grow exotic luxury food that the native farmers don't to trade for staple crops, or to introduce the McCormick reaper.

I've also got a theory that Kino is Saito.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
And on a side note: On the subject of getting commoners to listen to what the Fae tell them... well, how about "We're Firstborn. How do you think we got to this point?" Which isn't even a lie.

Or just doing it themselves and letting it spread by word of mouth. Actions, words, etc.
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I'd imagine it'd be more of the second. The Fae would be more occupied with ensuring that their own are alright first compared to extolling themselves. I can imagine that the first words regarding the Fae's treatment of commoners would come from the staff at the Academy and any traders in business with the Fae. It'd be slow, but from there the word will trickle through the rest of the commoners, which if they hear good things might entice people down the line to look for work among the Fae communities. Said perspectives might be a good way to get Siesta's viewpoint involved in the entire affair, seeing the Fae from the perspective of the Tristanian commoners since all we've seen are the noble's reactions to them so far.
Triggerhappy said:
Still haven't found the appropriate scene for him to appear properly.
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He doesn't need to have an introduction to himself, since he's a minor character at this time unless you plan for him to have larger participation in the next arc or something. Maybe just casually refer to him in a scene involving a mob clearing group or something, then expand on him later once you've found the perfect time to do so.
 
Nipponai? Please tell me you meant Nippon-Jin. If you were trying to say 'japanese person', that is.
 
And directly contradictory to the prologue. It's all but stated that the summoning spell accidentally activated The Seed program, and wound up using it and ALO's data/materials to actualize it in the real world.
 
Arimai said:
Obasan loosely translates into Aunt. My question is why the line by Leafa? Is it not a bit redundant and out of character for a Nipponai to request to be addressed in the Western convention?
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I thought "Aunt Sugu" was just Leafa/Suguha's way of telling Yui to address her less formally. Since I don't pretend to know Japanese, I have no idea how that translates, but I assume all the characters are speaking in Japanese or Halkeginian unless stated otherwise.

It's probably also good practice not to assume that readers would know what "obasan" means. By translating Leafa's follow-up comment Yui's remark is made clear.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Any solution to the food issue is going to be multi-pronged of course. Kick the nobles asses into gear to help out, buy food from the nobility and commoners, supplement with hunting, assist the commoners with farming, set up their own farms. Although I'm now curious about the level of agricultural sophistication in Halkegenia. I know people in a given time usually learn to use what they have fairly well so I'm not going to claim that some big boost is possible, but would someone with an Ag degree be able to help set up practices to boost yields? This obviously would take time to implement, several years at least, but its a thought for the future.
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Yes, with out a question they can improve things. They'd have a background on knowing which factors are important. Understand genetic inheritance and using that knowledge to vastly accelerate getting better plant breeds. How to resist diseases better, methods to reduce fertilization needs, ways to better process foods, store foods for longer, ways to make food safe to eat, etc. They can basically greatly improve the productivity of the entire food growing business all the way to the food on your plate. I'd estimate that given a few people who had a proper degree in various sections of that field (even just one would do a lot) that making food would see what the locals would consider near miraculous improvements in amount and quality. (Admittedly the locals would probably consider 20-30 percent yield improvements amazing already)


Heck, in theory one could even develop a new food crop from scratch. Though no one would typically bother, unless one has an already promising possibility. Still, if one really wanted to, one could probably induce quite a few plants to make a reasonable food crop given sufficient time (probably some decades, or if you chose something particularly horrible, possibly centuries, but why would you do that?). Still... I don't really see that happening right now, they already have some crops to work with.



Edit, Some one who knows what inflation can do to a country. Would realise that if Tristain spent a lot of that gold right afterwards in other nations, rather then internally. They could keep a lot of the problems out of their own system and instead export a good part of it to everyone else. Tristain gets the opportunity to buy a lot of high value products from elsewhere like that, (one could expand the merchant fleet for instance, buy rare materials for useful artefacts, etc) and the inflation problem gets greatly reduced for yourself. As for everyone else... well... who cares really right? They'll think you did them a favour spending all that gold in their country. So I guess it's a nice diplomatic gain as well then, fufufufufu.
 
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