Glory of the Emerald Empire (Legend of the 5 Rings Quest)

This is an interesting discussion, and I'm glad I could bring it about. Still, it would be nice to have some votes. Unless y'all need to talk out your approach some more. That's fine too.
 
I kinda have to agree with Cannongerbil - it could very well provoke him.

I'd prefer something like "You know where this fiend is? Then guide us to it so we may end it's foul existense."

It gets him along with us, focuses all our hostility on the Maho-Tsukai and includes him without actually including him.
 
I see a lot of the same general theme with the votes, which is good. But a consensus on how you want to bring it about would help me quite a bit.
 
[X] Then let us fight him. As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die today.

Edit: changed vote for greater consensus
 
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[X] Then let us fight him. As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die today.
 
Could we go with something like "Today the blood mage dies. You we shall kill when we don't have more pressing matters do deal with."?
 
Could we go with something like "Today the blood mage dies. You we shall kill when we don't have more pressing matters do deal with."?
...Why? He's a sane, non-hostile Ogre that is opposed to the Shadowlands. IC wise, Sousuke is conflicted over this seemingly intractable contradiction, but the mere fact that it stands against the shadowlands affords him some manner of doubt, and OOC wise we don't really have any reason to want him dead. This seems to be us courting trouble for trouble's sake.
 
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Calm yourself.

This thing is a monster, worthy of being put to the sword, but he is also useful, and you have far more pressing matters to deal with.

First and foremost, you have to deal with the maho-tsukai. Battling the ogre may result in your death, in which case you will be unable to fulfill your orders. Even if you win, it will waste a lot of time, leave you weakened and at a disadvantage against the maho-tsukai, and require you to track the culprit yourself, taking up more time.


With all that in mind -

"Ogre, if you know the location of this maho-tsukai, then tell me.

You may accompany me....or not. As long as it does not get in the way of my duty, I do not care either way."
 
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You know, between the three of you there's a better than decent chance Sosuke could kill this dude. I mean, the ogre is strong and all but he's not some invincible juggernaut of destruction. Dangerous, to be certain, but I'm not sure where everyone's getting the idea a fight will end in Sosuke's death.
 
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You know, between the three of you there's a better than decent chance Sosuke could kill this dude. I mean, the ogre is strong but he's not some invincible juggernaut of destruction. Dangerous, to be certain, but I'm not sure where everyone's getting the idea a fight will end in Sosuke's death.
Hmm, I will edit my vote to reflect that.

I'd still like to avoid a fight here and now. I want Sosuke to be in top form against the maho-tsukai, and killing the ogre will take time and accumulate injuries, at the very least. Not to mention we'll lose the lead we've got for the maho-tsukai's location.
 
You know, between the three of you there's a better than decent chance Sosuke could kill this dude. I mean, the ogre is strong and all but he's not some invincible juggernaut of destruction. Dangerous, to be certain, but I'm not sure where everyone's getting the idea a fight will end in Sosuke's death.
Yeah, sure, but after the battle we won't be able to take on the Maho-tsukai. It's not a sure battle by any stretch, nor is it a necessary one, so why fight?
 
Yeah, sure, but after the battle we won't be able to take on the Maho-tsukai. It's not a sure battle by any stretch, nor is it a necessary one, so why fight?
Stop thinking like a modern nice egalitarian individual and start thinking like a duty bound warrior with a deep and profound (and generally justified :p ) hatred of all things of the Shadowlands. :p

Even if he shares this hatred, all those tainted by it's evil will sooner or later, willingly or not, serve the cause of its evil. We are not dealing with a fellow Rokugani or some honorable but strange race or spirit. We are dealing with a monster, of the "always evil" type. At most it gets a "Not worth the time and cost to kill right now.". If you want to be very bleeding heart, maybe a mercy kill to make so he doesn't have to live with the taint. If he could be close to the shadowlands without losing his mind, disposable but highly controlled and "leashed" shock trooper against the rest of the creatures of the taint.

Now, with this in mind, my offer to expedite the dealing with the more pressing problem would be "We will get more soldiers before going after you." With a side of implicit "Either prepare to fight or get the fuck out dodge." :p
 
But... this guy seems to hate the Shadowlands too - and he at least seems to believe that (and act like) he has thrown off the shackles of madness and obedience to the will of Jikogu that we *know* come with the taint (at least, with large amounts of it). Perhaps he is deluded. Perhaps he is not. Perhaps he is lying to us in some way. Perhaps he is not. Regardless, if we're *not* going to try to kill him (and both practicality and the directions we were given by Yasuki Goro seem to suggest that we should not) then what does it benefit us to further insult him? The point of an insult is to cause your foe to lose face, perhaps to break composure. Whether he maintains face matter not to us, and if we don't want to try to kill him, then we would *prefer* that he maintain composure.

Regardless, it would be well, once we are back in Crab lands, to sit down with an appropriately learned member of the Kuni and essentially have the "I am confused. Please help." conversation.
 
[X} Then let us fight him. As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die Today.

So... It's been a few days now. Any chance we can get a consensus?
Is the wining vote I think. We are all pretty much agreed with going with Ogre to deal great justice, the disagreement mostly is people trying not sound weak in front of the him.
 
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[X] Then let us fight him. As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die today.
 
Is the wining vote I think. We are all pretty much agreed with going with Ogre to deal great justice, the disagreement mostly is people trying not sound weak in front of the him.
Yeah, all of the votes basically have the same idea of "work with the Ogre, but be on your guard", it's just the exact phrasing we are quibbling over.
 
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[X] Then let us fight him. As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die today.


"Then let us fight him," you respond. "As you say, his very existence is an affront. He must die, and he must die today."

The ogre looks at you quizzically, leaning its head slightly to the side. "Us, Samurai? Do you mean you and your companions, or are you saying something else?"

"I mean that we don't have time to waste on fighting you," you say. "Not if you aren't the kidnapper." You shift your grip on your weapon. "If it is as you say, and a Maho-tsukai is responsible, then that is where our focus must lie."

"And you would have no issues if I also wished to kill this man?" the ogre asks. He leans forward and gives a wry smile. "Would that offend your sensibilities, Crab? To have one such as I as an ally?"

"We are not allies," you growl. "I'll not have anyone saying such. No, ogre, we are merely fighting the same foe and ignoring each other, nothing more and nothing less. Any… personal issues can be set aside to battle the immediate enemy."

"Interesting," the ogre says, cupping its chin. "And unexpected. You are a strange one, Crab."

The monster stands up, reaching its full height. The creature towers over you, almost eight feet tall. It is not often that you feel short, for most of the time you loom over your fellows quite easily. Now, though, you are very obviously not the largest person in the area. It is an uncomfortable experience, and in more ways than one.

The ogre slides his giant sword into his belt, the blade fitting easily. The blacksmith was right. The blade is easily the size and weight of a no-dachi, though the ogre wields it as if the weapon were only a katana. You eye the sword warily. Something that large with the strength of an ogre behind it… That is a danger to keep in mind.

"I am Muharanok," he says. "Son of Katarano, son of Gosomak, son of Muhomono, son of Muhonarak."

"I am Hiruma Sosuke," you respond warily. You're used to giving names, but the ogre went a listed… family history, you suppose. Is it some strange custom? "Of the Crab Clan."

The ogre nods. "Very well. Follow me, and I will lead us to our mutual foe."

Muharanok marches away from the fire, leading further into the hills. You follow at a reasonable distance, staying out of charging range of the ogre should this all have been an elaborate trap. Even keeping your distance, you're not very comfortable with this affair. You've spent your entire life fighting monsters like this one, and now you're letting it guide your path.

Even more, the ogre's words bother you. You only know ogres as rampaging monsters, clad in wasted rags and swinging trees around like clubs. But Muharanok is intelligent, and claims enmity to all creatures of Jigoku. As far as you know this isn't something that can happen.

A group of intelligent ogres may have once tried to ally with the Crab, but this was after serving Daigotsu in an extended campaign that took several watchtowers along the Wall. Hida Kuon, the Clan Champion, had been well within his rights to slaughter the leader of that monstrous band and as many ogres as he could get his hands on. The Crab have no love for these creatures, be they capable of reasoning or not, and have killed the beasts for centuries. It has always been this way.

But is that really the case here? you ask yourself. What do I do after all this if his intentions are true?

"Sosuke-san," Shasa whispers, her hands tight on her still unsheathed sword. "Are you completely sure this is a good idea?"

"No," you respond. "But for now, it seems better than getting into a confrontation we do not need."

"I'm not so certain," Shasa says, glaring at the ogre's back. "The beast could be leading us into some trap."

"It very well could," you say. "Which is why I will be counting on you to help me keep an eye out." You smile at her. "I think we'll be able to handle ourselves, Shasa-san. We've enough skill and strength between the three of us to handle any foe."

Shasa blinks at your words, looking uncertain. Then, finally, she nods. You restrain a sigh of relief. You spoke only the truth, but you didn't want Shasa to know just how concerned you are about this situation. Maho-tsukai are even more dangerous than ogres in their own way, and everyone will need to keep their spirits strong in order to face him. Confusion and doubt could kill as easily as any sword.

You glance at Shirou, who while keeping an eye on Muharanok seems mostly at ease with the situation. You almost envy the monk, being able to stay so calm despite the strangeness of these events. It is a useful skill, maintaining one's serenity as he does.

Eventually Muharanok leads you to a large hill, a sizable opening set within its side. The hole leads downward into darkness, obviously going deep into the earth. However, that is not the most striking thing that catches your attention.

You smell blood on the air. Your grip on your tetsubo tightens such that the leather of its handle creaks. People have died here, and in no small numbers. And in their passing the atmosphere has been saturated with their blood.

That seems as good a sign as any that you have reached your destination.

[] Write in.
 
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Now I really hope he doesn't get too wounded or in position to be so if we don't intervene. I'd really rather avoid any "Should I kill the defenseless irredeemable monster that was useful just now or not?" :p
 
How is that even a question?

Anyways, so a dark cave eh, we can't exactly use light to get in and the front door is probably trapped. I'd suggest finding an alternate route.
 
How is that even a question?

Anyways, so a dark cave eh, we can't exactly use light to get in and the front door is probably trapped. I'd suggest finding an alternate route.
Bushido arguably doesn't apply to the Ogre. If after the battle and killing the blood mage he's highly wounded, it'd be very tempting to then just crush his skull. :p
 
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