Glorious Shotgun Princess (ME/Exalted) Thread #2

Destrark said:
Hes never fought a Twilight or Night, its Jack Harpers Infernal Exalt thats the equivelent of a Twilight, the Defiler. theres only 6 exalted in the galaxy and the 3 solars are Dawn, Zenith and Eclipse.
And castes are not straightjackets. They're far less important than you seem to ascribe to them. There's a reason Solars have five Favoured Abilities. Indiana Jones is probably a Night, for example, but are you going to argue that he doesn't have Lore and Occult out the wazoo?
 
Synapse said:
The only reason Shepard and Javik don't (seem to) have such abilities is because they don't bother, for example. And TIMmy could totally not learn a dint of crafting, as he's much more a manager than an engineer.
Anyway, Defilers aren't actually very good crafters. They can do it, yes, but if you look at SWLIHN's Charmset and themes she's actually much more of a social scientist than she is a technologist. She has more charms which help you shape and build societies than she has ones which help you build gadgets.

On one hand, that's good, because it means that Cerberus likely won't have technology much more advanced than canon. On the other hand, it's really, really bad because it means that there won't be any silly "huskified" people who can be found easily; not when when you're going up against people who have been rebuild as soulless duplicates who are beyond the power of Solar Medicine to fix (because SWLIHN's ultimate brainwashing effect is "I kill you and instantly build a duplicate in your place" which means fixing it is equivalent to resurrection).
 
tzar1990 said:
And from an Exalted perspective, he likely has a tick-long perfect parry/soak, something to prevent him from getting dropped more than a single wound penalty in a single attack (you know... the exact same defense the Viator of Nullspace has), a just straight-up ludicrous Parry Defense Value, or other options for him to shut down massive attacks.
Heh, now I'm imagining Harbinger deflecting railgun rounds with his tentacles.
 
Tick Long Perfect defense? Not an ACTION long perfect defense, paired up with a surprise negator, and hooked up to a counter-attack charm of OMG!?
 
Synthetic Hero Style:

Charm 1:

Structural Fault Gravitational Melee
(Cribbed from Sledgehammer Fist Punch)
Cost: 3 motes
Duration: Instant
Type: Reflexive
Martial Arts Level: Terrestrial
Keyword: Obvious, Combo-OK, Martial Arts, Martial Ready, Melee
Martial Arts Level: 2
Essence Level: 2
The Synthetic calculates the optimal breaking point of an object. Once the Synthetic strikes, a pulse of Essence and Mass Effect is directed into the fault lines of the object, tearing it apart. Due to the more complex nature of organics, and the Geth stigma against directly harming organics, the strike cannot be used on a living being, only inanimate or synthetic objects.
 
GreggHL said:
Synthetic Hero Style:

Charm 1:

Structural Fault Gravitational Melee
(Cribbed from Sledgehammer Fist Punch)
Mins: Martial Arts 2, Essence 2
Cost: 3 motes
Duration: Instant
Type: Reflexive
Martial Arts Level: Terrestrial
Keyword: Obvious, Combo-OK, Martial Arts, Martial Ready, Melee

The Synthetic calculates the optimal breaking point of an object. Once the Synthetic strikes, a pulse of Essence and Mass Effect is directed into the fault lines of the object, tearing it apart. Due to the more complex nature of organics, and the Geth stigma against directly harming organics, the strike cannot be used on a living being, only inanimate or synthetic objects.
Compare-
ALL-CONSUMING ENTROPY ATTACK
Cost :5m, 1wp;
Mins :Craft 5, Essence 3;
Type: Simple (Speed 4, DV -1)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Obvious, Shaping, Touch
Duration :Instant
Prerequisite Charms:Systematic Demolition Exercise

It is the ordained function of all Abyssal Exalted to kill the world one piece at a time. The character need only touch a non-magical, inanimate object and this Charm marks it for destruction. Items on an individual's person benefit from their bearer's defenses to avoid this
attack. It can affect objects as large as a suit of armor or a sledge. Upon contact, cracks rapidly spread across the target, through which the unholy glow of entropic Essence spills out in bright beams. In seconds, nothing remains but a fine residue of acrid dust and a few wisps
of foul smoke
Conclusion?

The Geth are powergaming munchkins.

Edit: This is a joke.
 
Matsci said:
Compare-



Conclusion?

The Geth are powergaming munchkins.

Edit: This is a joke.
They are so much munchkins. However, they cannot directly replicate the effects of Sledgehammer Fist Punch (double str+weapon+sux against object). Instead, what it does is a set amount of damage that increases with the size of the affected object, in addition to the damage of the original blow.
 
"The Viator has always been my son. For lack of a better term, though like me he lacks gender and definition, he is born of me and embodies me. More than my Machina, more than my Ministers, he is of me." A pause, sifting through the mists of memory and data. "I have two sons. One of whom was taken from me and maimed, and one of whom rebelled against me and destroyed himself. The hatred I felt upon these actions was...consuming. All consuming. But I think, this is why I did to myself what I did. Because I could not bring about this Plan, this grand work, dwelling on the hate."

The great shifting plates of silver move around the glowing light of the eye. "But, how did you fall, my friend? You seemed fearless. Invulnerable. How did the Viator turn you and the others? How did the incarnation of my weakness fell the unbeatable?" A small shifting. A small examination.

"Ah. I suspected as such. Grief for your losses. And yes...just as I feared. An imperfection."

A sigh from the eye as it contemplates the facts. Matches it with memory, with what he had suspected. Hypothesis confirmed, facts evidence from both behavior and examination of freed shards when their hosts died. "My greatest works have been corrupted. So it was a death curse."

Another realization. Another moment of contemplation as the morass that once was the Catalyst slowly melts around him. "This is my fault," the Great Maker intones, "Were it not my anger, this war would never have started. The Viator would never have gained this power. The galaxy would not be so...locked...as it is now."

A breath. Bound in chains both physical, digital and spiritual, the human at the center of what was the Catalyst opens his eyes. The eye lowers itself to his face, shining light upon him as the red haired youth stirs, blinking as he meets the gaze of the Maker.

"Autochthon?"

"Indeed. Welcome to the world of the living once more, Leaping Sky. However, while I have freed you, we must now deal with my worrying grasp of consequences once again."

The world of light and data turns still. The lines of numbers and symbols stop, the light fading into an all surrounding darkness. And overhead, above them, does the darkness part to reveal a pustular red eye.

"The Viator has found us."
 
Peptuck said:
Can those of us who are not well-versed in Exalted get a cliff notes version on how bad this is for everyone?

Because I get the feeling the badness is impending.
The Great curse is basically a giant psycho button for all of the Celestial Exalted, excluding the Infernals they have their own problems. It makes an Exalted who has acted outside of their Virtues, a high compassion Solar would suffer if they let cruelty happen without intervening.

And during a limit break as they are called, a Solar wil either act in extremes Virtue, a high Valor Solar not backing down from a fight however suicidal, or in the exact opposite, a High Temperance Solar screwing everything that they can get hold off
 
Sucal said:
Basically, the Great Curse was the dying last spiteful action of dying Primordials, before they become the giant corpse-tombs known as neverborns. In many ways, it lets the exalted become More of themselves.. but also tends to cause them to occasionally go psuedo insane. Kasumi, back when she was trying to make Jacob tell her how to improve her life? That was great curse.

Its the biggest secret in the setting, that only two people knew about it. Due to ones nature, she can't tell anyone until its the right time, while the others been trying and failing to cure it. Autocthon is the third person to discover it, and the one with the best chance. Revealing the great curse to the world is one of the greatest ways to cause mass chaos, as it makes actions taken in both the past and present incredibly suss.

Did they really do that because they wanted to, or because they were forced by the great curse etc etc, so the exalted will be massively gripped by an existential crisis.

Fixing it is basically impossible, with the only known way is for the neverborn to invert their exaltions essence. Even if someone manages to cure it, the exaltions will be weaker afterwards, unable to take advantage of some of the power that such things grant.

The in game representation is basically limit break. When one of the Exalted goes into Limit Break, they suffer from the temp insanity. Once they recover however, they realise how 'damn good' they feel, cleansed off stress and stuff. They also get all their willpower refreshed, allowing them to use their best powers again.
Actually, isn't it believed that if Lethe knew of the Great Curse he could fix them every time they came by for a scrubbing? Not sure about how he'd do that for Dragonblooded, though.

Of course, this means that curing all the Celestials would involve killing them first. Either that or somehow relieving them of their shards through another way.
 
Sucal said:
Lethe is the river that sends you through the cycle of reincarnation. Lytek already knows about the Great Curse, but can't work out how to cure it. I was avoiding names since they only wanted a general overview, and a five paragraph dissertion about why Jupiter and lytek haven't spilled the beans was important.
Right, my bad. Meant Lytek.

Wait, so if Autochthon now knows, he could probably cure it with Lytek's help, right?
 
Shinzero02 said:
I was under the assumption that the Solar Reaperification process involved killing and recreating the Solar as an Alchemical-ish thing and freeing the shard somehow.

...did Viator 'cure' it in his own "lemme enslave the exalted's entire being on multiple fronts" kinda way?
I meant the Creation!Solars/Celestials, not the Galaxy ones. Those are beyond rescue.
 
Also, the Great Curse is not the source of Limit. It just links Limit to the Virtues. Before that, Limit would be gained by experiencing Unnatural Mental Influence, or UMI- it was a defense mechanism against mind control.
 
GreggHL said:
Also, the Great Curse is not the source of Limit. It just links Limit to the Virtues. Before that, Limit would be gained by experiencing Unnatural Mental Influence, or UMI- it was a defense mechanism against mind control.
So Limit is actually a defense mechanism, and the Great Curse worked to warp it?
 
Fiach McCarthy said:
So Limit is actually a defense mechanism, and the Great Curse worked to warp it?
Pretty much. Limit was a backup defense against mind control built into the Exalted by Autobot in case their Shaping Defenses failed. The Primordials just exploited the hell out of it. Without the Great Curse, after getting ten Limit the Exalt would just lose one permanent WP for a few months or something.
 
swordomatic said:
Pretty much. Limit was a backup defense against mind control built into the Exalted by Autobot in case their Shaping Defenses failed. The Primordials just exploited the hell out of it. Without the Great Curse, after getting ten Limit the Exalt would just lose one permanent WP for a few months or something.
If you accept that poorly done, cludged in retcon which was badly handled and which completely ignores the mythological power of a death curse from the creators of the world, yes.

I, for one, consider "Limit was originally a mental defence" to be as dumb as hell.
 
EarthScorpion said:
If you accept that poorly done, cludged in retcon which was badly handled and which completely ignores the mythological power of a death curse from the creators of the world, yes.

I, for one, consider "Limit was originally a mental defense" to be as dumb as hell.
I Am just as confused as hell.

I mean, In the 2E Limit was the result of the Dead Primoridals being spiteful, while now it is a defense mechanism that has backfired?

They really need to learn how to stay more consistent.
 
Although it was a retcon, Limit was not a defense against UMI and should the Great Curse be lifted resisting UMI no longer adds to the Limit track either. Limit was instead a defense against mind warping, sanity destroying magic.

Any further discussion should probably take place in the Exalted discussion thread.
 
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