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Glorious Shotgun Princess (ME/Exalted) Thread #2

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Alasnuyo said:
Golden Janissary? The Reapers aren't CoDs, are they?
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Maybe, if an elder solar managed to catch them with their shaping defenses down.

If catching them with their shaping defenses down was easy, though, they probably wouldn't have made it this far.
 
DaWrecka said:
I made this mistake myself; Creatures of death aren't automatically creatures of darkness, at least not in vanilla Creation. Most creatures of death are creatures of darkness, but that's by virtue of having been shitlisted separately. Abyssals? Have their own entry. Walking dead? Likewise. But "creature of death" doesn't have its own entry.

This doesn't rule out the possibility that GSP's Sol made them CoDs, of course... but I was under the impression that GSP-universe doesn't actually HAVE an Unconquered Sun, and thus wouldn't have Holy effects. Well okay, there's Should The Sun Not Rise, but that's an Essence 6 Solar Charm, so you'd need a Solar who was already Essence 5 in order to learn it. Javik might know it, though.
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Your Creation May Vary at work I'm afraid. All Creatures of Death are Creatures of Darkness because it's Creature of Death status and more specifically the type of Essence that they run on that's caused them to be declared Creature of Darkness by the Unconquered Sun.

That's why the Sun's attention didn't need to be drawn to the Abyssals to get them entered on the shitlist, they were already there because they were already Creatures of Death.

Now, it's quite possible that a ghost or similar manages to convince the Most High that they aren't harmful to Creation and as such could safely be removed from the list and they probably would be, but that's something else entirely.


Also, consider that neither the Underworld nor Malfeas nor the Wyld have an Unconquered Sun in the sky, and yet Holy keyworded Charms still function as advertised. To put it quite simply, the Sun is powerful enough that as long as he isn't dead the keyword and its functions work perfectly well, as he simply transcends the bounderies of reality.
 
Essex said:
Um, isn't Golden Jannisary Style a Terrestrial Martial Art?
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Yes. Because Pria's plan for Kal requires a slow, steady build towards her goal of him being able to beat up reality with the concept of children's games.

Kasumi has a different path to walk.
 


My friends, I ask you;

Is a fanboy not entitled to the boying of his own fans?

"No!" says the rules lawyer, "Everything must adhere to game rules!"

"No!" says the video games fan, "Everything must be awesome!"

"No!" says Tabi, "Here is a picture of someone being sexually assaulted in the ear!"

However, I have come to a different conclusion! I have chosen a different path! I have chosen...

To think that you are all jackasses. Except Tabi, as I met him in San Francisco and he's a pretty cool guy. Here's the thing; I have been in an Exalted game for the past nine months and my frequently frustrated cowriter has more or less re-written a lot of this from the ground up. So if you point out "This is not making sense", there is a good chance I will investigate it and try to fix it. Because my cowriter is very vocal when I fuck up.

However, being an asshole about it is not cool. Neither is yelling back at people "This story is awesome and doesn't need to follow rules!" That is also not cool. As I am trying to follow the rules, which I admittedly have problems with (such as when I turned Autochthon into Wheatley).

Ah, the frustrations of this thread.

I wish that I once more had the heart of a child.

Which I would then sacrifice to the dark gods for the power to set people on fire with the Internet.
 
TheProffesor said:
Look, I don't have nearly the same knowledge of Exalted or this story as most people have, so from an outsider's perspective I have to wonder why you aren't just following your creative muse. A creative writer isn't bound by silly things like game mechanics. Nor does he have to follow the rule of cool all the time. A writer does what he has to do to write a good story, and shouldn't let unnecessary elements distract him from what he thinks his story should be.

That doesn't mean ignore constructive criticism, it simply means follow your vision for the story. Screw game mechanics and the rule of cool. Write the story as you see fit.
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Very simple; Exalted is internally consistent and does follow set rules. More than that, Exalted is a system which focuses on narrative and protagonist-centered change. If I'm going to ignore the mechanics of how Exalted works, then this isn't an Exalted crossover and just "Commander Shepard gets solar-themed superpowers". Because an Exaltation is not an "I win" button.
 
Problem is twofold.

First; Exalts have a price to their powers. Things like training times, etc (which are to illustrate things like Shepard learning this a lot faster than she was mortal, etc). What the varied charms do. Deciding an Essence 2 Sidereal can learn Sidereal Martial Arts is around the same as Liara suddenly being able to use her biotics to throw a moon at someone. It isn't just a violation of game mechanics- it's a massive narrative suspension of disbelief, which is the advantage of a role playing game that is tuned towards getting the most narrative bang for the buck.

Second; The more I adhere to rules or show how the two settings mesh, the less threadcrap I get from people arguing about whether the rules should be or shouldn't be used, crazy awesome, Gurren Lagann references, etc. As Holle once said, I must have done something terrible in a past life for the following I have now.
 
Tikigod784 said:
In that case, you could always just post it exclusively on ff.net and disable reviews. :V
Actually, would've been a good April Fools' joke...
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I don't have time to engage in April Fool's day jokes, as unlike much of the Internet which pulls pranks, I have a real job.
 
madbob said:
sometimes you just have to step outside the rules you are using, just to keep things lively, if you just kept using the guidelines in those rules, it's not fanfiction, it's just examples from the rule book...it's like you said, Gregg uses the rules most of the time...and then throws them out the window every now and then just to make his readers go 'Whu?'...:D
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I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to step out of the lurking cabinet for a moment.

Now I'm not that well-versed on Exalted lore, unlike most of the people that frequent(ly argue) on this thread, but I do know that Gregg's been consistent with the rules since day one. Sure, there are some flubs with the rules now and again because a writer tends to follow his muse over logic, but he's fixed those rather quickly thanks to his *cough*helicopter*cough* co-writer. He has not thrown the rules out for this story for the sake of drama. Not once. No, he works around it.

Every single time Gregg has made everyone tear their hair out from the 'What', it has not been because he bumfucked the rules so hard they exploded into fractal SBers. No, it's because he exploited the rules in such a way that no one would ever see that coming. That is not throwing the rules out the window. That is using the rules to skullfuck each and every one of you with a steel-toed boot.

And yes, in actual fact it is still fanfiction if he follows guidelines and rules from the Exalted Rulebooks. You know why?

Because this isn't Creation. This is Mass Effect, where things work different.

Having to break the rules to preserve drama or, god forbid, do 'awesome' is not a mark of good writing, because that means you can't preserve narrative tension or give your characters suitably epic moments by following the rules. No, they have to be Simon the Fucking Digger and skullfuck the universe with a spiked dildo bat. That is easy. That is simple. That is boring. Much like the endless regurgitation of memes that seems to happen all the time. God, at least the tangential debates about game mechanics aren't boring. Why?

Because they haven't been rehashed a billion fucking times! Fucking hell, would it physically hurt people to shut their pieholes when there isn't anything to contribute?

And to not be a hypocrite, I personally think that Autobot's going to mindrape Seeker into being what amounts to Spirit!Dude!Iri.
 
Gamerex27 said:
You know, we should probably get back on topic before the mods come along and use Unlimited Banhammer Works on us.

So, what exactly is Autocthon trying to do with the Catalyst? Is he trying to get rid of the Reaper programming, and restore the Exalt who was used to create it's personality? Or is he just going to take a blowtorch or twelve to it and prod at its motherboard?
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Yes.
 
Maes said:
From what I understand of what Gregg wrote, Jaded Gatemaker of Ages is more or less the AI-ported, shackled, enslaved ghost of Leaping Sky, someone whom Auto liked.

Wasn't Leaping Sky the guy who originally came with Auto to the ME-verse and excised his robocancer?

Either way, looks like Auto intends to unshackle him. :D
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Leaping sky wasn't the guy who excised the robocancer, but he was part of that Circle. He, Mnemon Urpa, and some others were lead by Bright Star, who eventually became Harbinger. Leaping Sky became the Catalyst/Jaded Gatemaker of Ages.
 
Maes said:
Thanks for the correction. For some reason I thought Harby was just how the Viator decided to call himself these days.

Now I have to wonder if the Great Curse works even post-mortem for a presumably 'good' and dedicated Solar to have become Harbinger, or did Big V do something rather nasty to Bright Stars ghost? (or both)

... then again, the answer to that is probably a big spoiler, so nevermind.
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Naturally, the answer is Yes.
 
Omake:

Liara Get Gremlin Syndrome

For the life of her, Jane is not sure how Liara fit the Crucible inside the warehouse on Illium, but she's going to roll with it. Instead, she just watches, patiently, as Liara steps in front of the superweapon and raises her fist to the sky.

"Gentlemen! Behold! I have made love to this machine!" She shifts slightly, rubbing her backside. "And in retrospect, I wonder why."

Jane shrugs. "Because it was Prothean?"

"Yes!" Liara pauses. "No!"

"So...you do that for research or science..."

"No! Because it was drunk! And easy! And it had no idea what it was doing!"

The Crucible lurches forward and discards something, landing on nine legs before the three foot high sovereign rises to the air with a blasting horn.

"My metal boy!"
 
Shinzero02 said:
The initial reason was because it was Kasumi's job and Pria hadn't come to the realization that Kasumi never learned what she was supposed to teach after hundreds of years. She seems to have just hung out with Hedonism-bot between thefts for 300+ years.
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Pria: "I did explain it to her! On multiple occasions! She's just stupid and disgustingly lazy."

Kasumi: "And none of it has anything to do with the fact that in life, you were an anti-social nerd of a Serenity who put all her points into Craft and Dodge in her caste skills, hmm? And so have very little social skills which don't involve lecturing people? In a domineering and annoying voice."

Pria: "I have been lecturing you for three hundred years! If you weren't stupid, it would have sunk in!"

Kasumi: "Apart for those occasional decades when you go off in a sulk and return having built some artifact which you then hand off to some seemingly random asari or turian, of course."

Pria: "It's all part of the plan!"

Kasumi: "Funny how you always call them 'cute'."

Pria: "The. Plan. I started the Unification Wars with one of those gifts, thank you very much! And made that conflict on Earth before your time with those golden apples!"
 
Welcome to Exalted! Where the craziness can never end. :D
 
found it

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mass-effect-circular-thread-3.221865/page-10#post-7636811
GreggHL said:
Liara's plans are like this:


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Spotty as her memories were, Jane was pretty sure the Crucible didn't fit into a large warehouse.

"Gentlemen!" Liara shouts, lab coat over her white hipcoat suit, "Behold! I have made love to this machine!" She winces, hand on her backside. "And in retrospect, I wonder why."

Jane shrugs.

"Because it was Prothean?"

"Yes! No! I mean, because it was drunk! And easy! And because it had no idea what it was doing!"

The Crucible shudders, and lurches forward, dislodging an egg which rises up, taking the form of a Reaper Destroyer which comes up to Liara's waist, before firing off its death laser into the sky with a shriek.

"My metal boy!"
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recycling at its finest.
 
Pulsor93 said:
Out of curiosity, what did you think of Bioshock Infinite?
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I have actually never played a Bioshock game. I know of Bioshock through internets, mostly, as a) it helps show how stupid Objectivisim is, b) how stupid collectivism is, and c) how idiotic exceptionalism is. Through well done narrative.

Also, a) Andrew Ryan is a doucheback, b) Dr. Lamb is insane, and c) Elizabeth is apparently Belle and I am disappointed that there is no musical number with her showing Songbird he is beautiful on the inside.
 
Megaguiras said:
Dr. Weird references are the best.

Though now I can't help but hear Auto with that voice.
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The Island of Doctor Autochthon.

"Gentlemen...BEHOLD! I HAVE CREATED...THIS THING!"

The garage door rises, displaying the still form of a Sovereign. Standing near the floating sphere, Tali works her jaw and folds his arms. "I...what does it do, exactly? And why did you make it?"

"I DON'T KNOW! Now! SPRAY IT IN THE EYES WITH PERFUME!"

On a waldo, a can of perfume lowers down and begins spritzing the Reaper in the eight eyes, shaking the lab with its bass roar. "Yes! YES! FEEL MY RAGE, YOU FUCKER!"

A flash of red, and the wall behind the Reaper is gone, leaving a Reaper shaped hole in the wall and a burning city in full view.

"No! My creation," Autochthon roars, "WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT?!"
 
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