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Purification in progress
Damn that brings up some uncomfortable memories (of the "are we the baddies"? variety)
Fyre, Fyre, Burning Skitter
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Damn that brings up some uncomfortable memories (of the "are we the baddies"? variety)
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Does this mean we should make waffles out of him?
Ace Dreamer
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Would that be for the Batter or the Wurst?
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- The general area. Possibly behind you.
Next thing you know you have pigs in blankets, then Kermit gets involved, and Kaiji knows where it ends!
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- Neptune
Wherever it ends, there will be bacon.
Thank you! I had missed/forgotten/senior moment-ed these bits of info. (Even though I read through the section a second time.)
On another note, regarding Dr. Who and time travel in that universe.
Vaguely remember several mentions of a 'Dimensional Stabilizer' in the Tardis. The assumption being that, if you muck things up, this cheaty device soothes over all the temporal problems you have created. (As long as the script writers say so...)
There's the issue of how the open grandfather paradox was created in the first place. To me it's more like the time turner method where you can view and even visit the past but nothing you do can change the past. Hammond knows he was visited by SG1 and that should have affected many things that happened in SG1 but because they have not gone back yet he can't change anything because he's still living in the past of when they went back. So, not only are the time travelers bound by the time turner effect but so is everyone else.
That leads to the next point which is there is no reason to think time is in any sense a straight line, except to avoid ridiculously complex plots. Disregarding that, the simplest way to think of practical time travel to me is that time can easily loop back on itself. The first time you go back the river of time loops back with you. Time starts over again right next to the original stream. Time loops back but only time travelers loop back with it.
There's no paradox because while you killed your grandfather, you didn't kill him until you were an adult and had already been born. You were never born in the new stream and only you know that. Things change because you weren't born which means you never go back. The new stream keeps on going straight until someone else goes back somewhen and starts a new loop. You still remember everything from your looping because you were born way back in the river before things looped back. Since you were the only one to actually travel back in that loop you are the only one to remember. Time itself loops back but it doesn't carry everyone with it. It restarts at the point you went back to but only you know because only you have the magical time machine that lets you move outside of the time river itself.
No paradox and time travel is simple at least in concept.
Oh yeah, you also killed anyone who was alive because of you or events you caused before you looped back.
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a easy solution for paradoxies is simply they arent a thing and that any change to the timeline actually just creates a new alternate timeline
take back to the future, in that movie when marty returns to the future we no longer follow marty 1 but instead we follow marty 3, a marty who has memories of the original timeline but came from the a copy of the new timeline marty 1 made
so to go back to the SG1 time travel event, no we never followed the timeline where hammand put the note in the pocket but a timeline born of hammand having lived through SG1s time travel event and thus creating the event of putting the note in their pocket spawning another timeline which is now the grandfather timeline and the one we follow
as certain blue idot would say,
time is not made out of lines, they are made out of circles that is why clocks are round
time while being wibbly wobbly it is also circular and will always repeat forever more, even a premature death can not stop time from repeating, not even time travel can stop time from repeating
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Sure, but then you're basically back to the multiverse idea. It's completely viable but then you've got an insanely complex situation if the multiverse spawns a new universe every time something changes. Grab a different pair of underwear that day? New universe. How many universes are created dependent on how fast you drink one beer? Random quantum event changes? New universe. A universe is only spawned for important changes? What makes you or your changes so important? How is it decided?
I'm not saying the multiverse idea is not possible, only that it's insanely complex. The only way I can conceive of a multiverse is that it's not a multiverse of actually separate universes, but time is more a coexistent ocean of possibilities. You're not traveling through separate universes as such. You're jumping to different spots in the ocean. Each spot is the current summation of all the infinite choices that happened to lead to that moment. Time travel just allows you to pick which choices happened.
there is also another simple solution to that problem, any timeline that doesn't have any substantial change either gets deleted not long after or just gets folded into one of the neighbouring timelines
this means something simple as i had a coffee in one timeline thus having tea in the alternate and the tea or coffee choice is the only change between the two then the tea one gets deleted
but say i have coffee in one and then tea in the other timeline but across the universe me having tea causes some random effect like say a sun going super nova then both timelines stay and a sun going super nova is a substantial change escpelly if its a solar system with life in it
so yeah, while their are alternate timelines being made all the time only around 3 out of 10 alternates stay and even then only about half of those live long enough to see the natural end of their timeline
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- Neptune
Paradoxes just create accumulated Frag in your Yet that you either discharge or that will write you out of reality.
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You're welcome!
This seems to be the most common way to dodge paradoxes. And least confusing.
Of course. That's the whole concept behind the multiverse; any/every decision/event can happen different ways.
There's a show called Sliders that is conceptualized around that: a group of people use technology to jump into another world, get lost, and try to find home by jumping randomly to a new world. In one episode, they think they've found home, only to realize that the Golden Gate bridge is blue instead of orange. Otherwise, it fits their perfectly.
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Actually a goat.
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I imagine that timelines are only held as distinct for as long as evidence of the change exists. Tea or Coffee a week ago is a minor enough thing that as soon as it slips from your memory the split timeline could be recombined.
If it's no longer perceived it truly doesn't matter, and the extraneous timelines could be pared down, and you and your alternate simply zippered together into just you.
If it's no longer perceived it truly doesn't matter, and the extraneous timelines could be pared down, and you and your alternate simply zippered together into just you.
Consequence of this: if there are ever two time machines, one of them is going to leave first. The other won't leave because no time exists for it to leave from.
As a result, you can permanently delete an unwelcome time traveler by going back to before their point of arrival. They won't arrive this time since the causality they originated from never happened. You don't have to interact with them at all for this.
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- Lake Michigan
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- Her/She
Meddling with time is a poor decision, for Time is a Dragon and there's a saying about those who mess with dragons...
Soo... Time carries a bottle of ketchup?
Ace Dreamer
Verified Reality User
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Hope you don't meet a ketchup Dragon, because they're always ready for a snack?
(Some dragons have a breath weapon - fire is common, and whether a 'cold drake' with an icy breath is a dragon-dragon, is argued by some. A dragon which sorta drools ketchup? Some might have doubts about their dragon-hood. But, the point is, the only question the dragon needs to ask is 'Do they look tasty?' - ketchup is always available.
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- The general area. Possibly behind you.
Or tabasco sauce...
I mean...fyre.
If Dementors don't die of that, step 1 is more fyre. Step 2 if required is to find a way to escalate which will leave 95% of wizards traumatized in a whole new dimension, practical specifics TBD.
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No, that's for a specific type of lizard. Are there any that like honey mustard?
Right, but given the ability of this Taylor to disconnect from her emotions, which would happen to those two specific creatures (with relationship to emotions), I say a dementor would end extra fried, to feel Taylor that certain parts of her emotions, the negatives, increase for the effect of Dementor, to which she would respond "appropriately" (Fyre)
As for the Boggart, therefore of being her emotions, downloaded in the swarm, could it still affect Taylor and show her worst fear? (Obviously, the answer, if that is possible, to which it would be her reaction, to the Boggart effect, would be liberal use of Fiendfyre in the creature)
Or it turns out that now the form taken by the Boggart, for all who survived the Ministry, would be precisely Skitter, Our Lady of Fyre, XD
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Would they? Even just one universe is so big as to be infinite to our minds; the multiverse even more so. They might join back together, they might not. You would never know (infinities of infinities, remember).
Except that, going by this theory, that would create a new timeline. Now you have three timelines: the original, Mr. Grandfather killer, and Mr. Timetraveler Deleter.
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Fyre eats everything.
Dementors and Boggarts are amortal, not immortal. Amortal refers to a being that doesn't age or experience the effects of time - and having never truly been alive in the first place - but is not indestructible like an immortal being is.
And since they both mess with her mind, they will get ALL THE FYRE!!!!!!!!
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- That place over there.
I think Dementors wouldn't be able to see her while she's doing that but I don't think Bogarts would be effected, they become what you're afraid of in general not what you're currently feeling fear about.
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