There's something visceral about seeing a man puke his guts out. Literally.

And then feeling only a little bit of disgust and absolutely no horror.

Or like. Something.

I did a bad job of writing things will fix tomorrow. Mmph.
Ah. I see. That makes sense; I'm not good with visceral things. As long as i am not missing something that normal people can see. Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method.
 
Ah. I see. That makes sense; I'm not good with visceral things. As long as i am not missing something that normal people can see. Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method.
I'd say it would certainly look more painful than them getting ripped out.

One makes suffering happen longer, the other just kills you really quickly, or should.
 
I'd say it would certainly look more painful than them getting ripped out.

One makes suffering happen longer, the other just kills you really quickly, or should.
You can be left to bleed out, rather then being finished off, by a person killing you with a pointy stick. You can also be the target of a bio-weapon that kills you rather painlessly.

We aren't arguing about whether it's better to leave someone in pain, we are arguning about why you shouldn't use a type if weapon that can do both of those things while using other ones that can do the same two things.
 
You can be left to bleed out, rather then being finished off, by a person killing you with a pointy stick. You can also be the target of a bio-weapon that kills you rather painlessly.

We aren't arguing about whether it's better to leave someone in pain, we are arguning about why
I was just responding to this: "Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method."

Was lazy and didn't cut the rest out of the post's Quote, but my argument is that it would probably be worse to see someone's guts be puked out than just watch them get ripped out by something, mainly because you'd be able to watch their suffering end quickly or be long and drawn out.

Think I might have worded the 'why' weirdly though, so I don't blame you for mistaking what I meant.
 
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Ha, that's a fun mental image.

But yeah, Warframe is not the best place to try and have a reasonable conversation with anybody.
The civilized people that can be talked with generally aren't out in the open, and if they are then it's probably because there's a bunch of murdering going on.

We all know what the Grineer and Corpus will do.

The Tenno probably won't shoot first.

The Steel Meridian won't care as long as he doesn't fuck with the people under their protection.

The Arbiters will do whatever the Tenno do.

Simaris and Suda will want to learn shit about Generic, possibly in a violent fashion depending on his actions.

The Perrin Sequence may or may not buy shit from him.

The Red Veil will probably take a wait and see approach.

New Loka will leave him be unless he messes with Earth, in which case they will try to murder the fuck out of him

Teshin and The Lotus will probably freak out over him, considering the Zerg superficially resemble the Infested.
 
I was just responding to this: "Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method."

Was lazy and didn't cut the rest out of the post's Quote, but my argument is that it would probably be worse to see someone's guts be puked out than just watch them get ripped out by something, mainly because you'd be able to watch their suffering end quickly or be long and drawn out.

Think I might have worded the 'why' weirdly though, so I don't blame you for mistaking what I meant.
No, i get what you are trying to say; It's just that i think you are wrong. You can totally pull someones organs out without having it be more immediately lethal then someone who puked them out, and as such i can't see how one would be worse then the other.
 
I don't see why having these things happen because of a illness is worse then having them happen because they were caused by ameture surgery (Bullets and whatnot). Could someone spell it out for me?
The circumstances are very different.

You can try to take cover from the "bullets or whatnot", or go and take down whoever's dealing that "amateur surgery".
The horror is diluted by the possibility of foreseeing and fighting the enemy (and winning).

Against a sudden onslaught of airborne neurotoxins+mutagenic virus from hell+corrosive spores, all the victims' skills count for nothing.
From their perspective, a cloud spreads over them, and then suddenly their armours are falling apart and their bodies are being twisted in nightmarish and lethal ways.
The horror is pure.
 
If one of thoes big ships starts having pockets of clean air pop up. There might be some side fun going on.
 
So, Generic is getting his Zerg on ... I have to say, there are far worse targets he could have decided "Fuck it all, everyone dies now." against.

I have to note though, while any sane Tenno will be looking at this and noping right the fuck on out, must players I've seen have the calm considered survival instincts of a magpie on crack, with their last words as they tried to faceplant Steve being 'Shinies!'.

Leyroy Jenkins is the freaking mascot for about half the Tenno out there, if typical players are anything to go by.
 
Meh.
Tenno stop to loot lockers, even in the middle of a fight. Most of the time they don't even bother to fight hostiles, just run past them if they are not part of the objective.
Most of the loot is divided at the end anyway, so you end up getting more credits by completing the mission itself anyway (if that's the reward). So its more efficient to do the mission 2-3 times in the time span it would take you to kill everyone and loot everything.
Time=Loot=Money
 
Meh.
Tenno stop to loot lockers, even in the middle of a fight. Most of the time they don't even bother to fight hostiles, just run past them if they are not part of the objective.
Most of the loot is divided at the end anyway, so you end up getting more credits by completing the mission itself anyway (if that's the reward). So its more efficient to do the mission 2-3 times in the time span it would take you to kill everyone and loot everything.
Time=Loot=Money

No, see, this is the wrong mentality. Why kill everything, or loot all the lockers, when you can do BOTH!

Sure, efficient play is efficient but it's also really boring because if you want to go down that route it's Loki / Volt speedruns for days. They can't kill the rescue target if you're at extraction before he shortly pathfinds his way out of his cell, and all that
 
If you want to try something different and out of character - go nonlethal. Knockout gas, spores that only affect non-living matter, diseases that are debilitating but don't kill (much) ...
 
Ah. I see. That makes sense; I'm not good with visceral things. As long as i am not missing something that normal people can see. Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method.
My answer is not for the squeamish.
Well, for one it's much like seeing a pouch turned inside out. All the contents also come out along the way. First a good helping of mucus and saliva, followed by stomach acid and half-digested food, then bile and a slurry of progressively more solid (and in some cases somewhat rotten) shit. Also a shitton of blood and pus due to the internal hemorraging and whatever else the disease does, some necrosis here and there plus a good helping of cysts and ulcers, I would guess. Oh, and do remember that the digestive tract spans several meters, so they are going to be at it for a while until they reach the sphincter.
 
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My answer is not for the squeamish.
Well, for one it's much like seeing a pouch turned inside out. All the contents also come out along the way. First a good helping of mucus and saliva, followed by stomach acid and half-digested food, then bile and a slurry of progressively more solid (and in some cases somewhat rotten) shit. Also a shitton of blood and pus due to the internal hemorraging and whatever else the disease does, some necrosis here and there plus a good helping of cysts and ulcers, I would guess. Oh, and do remember that the digestive tract spans several meters, so they are going to be at it for a while until they reach the sphincter.
...Alright. That's somewhat worse. Not quite enough to cause the reaction that most people have to bioweapons, if only because with the way it was used i would think that they wouldn't last that long either way, but you have the best point right there that i have seen in a long time.

It's good to see someone going through proper procedure when it comes to telling someone about a decision making process. Can't stand it when someones says things like "It's just evil" and expects me to hate it because of that.
No, see, this is the wrong mentality. Why kill everything, or loot all the lockers, when you can do BOTH!

Sure, efficient play is efficient but it's also really boring because if you want to go down that route it's Loki / Volt speedruns for days. They can't kill the rescue target if you're at extraction before he shortly pathfinds his way out of his cell, and all that
You are looking at it wrong. This is the Zerg; Killing and looting is the same thing. The only time when it isn't is when they can get more by looting something without killing it, and even then if they can't manage to stop them from dying they can loot them anyway and call it salvage.
 
Ah. I see. That makes sense; I'm not good with visceral things. As long as i am not missing something that normal people can see. Though i do still need to question if seeing "a man [Literally] puke his guts out." is that much worse then seeing them come out of a persons body by any other method.

tbf it's less puking guts out and more body horror and blood and other nasty fluids. Think mutated, malformed twisted limbs randomly exploding out of random places on the body.

Think lungs melting, blood vessels exploding, entrails being expelled in pieces, and I could go on but Rule 7 is a thing. It's... Messy is what it is.

Generic-SI is wondering why they decided to escalate to... That sort of thing, and also wondering why they don't particularly feel anything anymore.

Something along those lines. Mmph.
 
...Alright. That's somewhat worse. Not quite enough to cause the reaction that most people have to bioweapons, if only because with the way it was used i would think that they wouldn't last that long either way, but you have the best point right there that i have seen in a long time.

It's good to see someone going through proper procedure when it comes to telling someone about a decision making process. Can't stand it when someones says things like "It's just evil" and expects me to hate it because of that.
Yup. I personally think that the SI is worried about his lack of reaction over his decision to go full Plague Inc. The later is easily explained away as the SI jumping the gun due to trauma and stress, the former is much more serious.

Nausea's function is to keep organisms from eating rotten/poisoned/diseased things, or eating near those, thus preventing possible infection. The usual reaction of fear and disgust of humans from seeing their kin splattered all over the walls and ceiling is to keep the human well away from the stomping grounds of the thing that did that, be it a disease or a creature. It's the instincts telling you: something fucked up those like you here, it's unlikely to make an exception for you, get the fuck out of dodge now. Also as pack animals, humans tend to have some measure of empathy as default, at least enough to learn from the fuck-ups of others and to keep them from killing each other most of the time, both of those increasing their odds of survival as a species.

To have no visceral reaction to that kind of extreme gore means the SI's wiring is all kinds of fucked up, he doesn't recognise humans as kin subconsciously anymore, after all, how much of it is from the trauma (mish-mash of memories included) and how much from the completely different brain chemistry is anyone's guess. But he is notably less human than he started up as (change of body notwithstanding), which worries him.

On a sidenote, most have such reactions to bioweapons due to how indiscriminate they are, and how easily they can slip out of control. Radiation is easy enough to predict and detect, only taking some competent physics and climatologists to chart out its spread. Diseases are an absolute bitch to contain, with incubation phases, easily mistaken symptoms, resistance bodies able to withstand decades until the environment turns favorable again, mutation and exponential growth. It doesn't help that certain bacteria can incorporate genetic material that's just floating around, or exchange genes with other bacteria, or that most viruses can be tricked into putting just about any genetic code into their capsules while they are being assembled in the host cell.
 
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tbf it's less puking guts out and more body horror and blood and other nasty fluids. Think mutated, malformed twisted limbs randomly exploding out of random places on the body.

Think lungs melting, blood vessels exploding, entrails being expelled in pieces, and I could go on but Rule 7 is a thing. It's... Messy is what it is.

Generic-SI is wondering why they decided to escalate to... That sort of thing, and also wondering why they don't particularly feel anything anymore.

Something along those lines. Mmph.
Ah. That makes sense. Not many people think of being hit by a car as having your insides turn into pink goo.
 
Yup. I personally think that the SI is worried about his lack of reaction over his decision to go full Plague Inc. The later is easily explained away as the SI jumping the gun due to trauma and stress, the former is much more serious.

Nausea's function is to keep organisms from eating rotten/poisoned/diseased things, or eating near those, thus preventing possible infection. The usual reaction of fear and disgust of humans from seeing their kin splattered all over the walls and ceiling is to keep the human well away from the stomping grounds of the thing that did that, be it a disease or a creature. It's the instincts telling you: something fucked up those like you here, it's unlikely to make an exception for you, get the fuck out of dodge now. Also as pack animals, humans tend to have some measure of empathy as default, at least enough to learn from the fuck-ups of others and to keep them from killing each other most of the time, both of those increasing their odds of survival as a species.

To have no visceral reaction to that kind of extreme gore means the SI's wiring is all kinds of fucked up, he doesn't recognise humans as kin subconsciously anymore, after all, how much of it is from the trauma (mish-mash of memories included) and how much from the completely different brain chemistry is anyone's guess. But he is notably less human than he started up as (change of body notwithstanding), which worries him.

On a sidenote, most have such reactions to bioweapons due to how indiscriminate they are, and how easily they can slip out of control. Radiation is easy enough to predict and detect, only taking some competent physics and climatologists to chart out its spread. Diseases are an absolute bitch to contain, with incubation phases, easily mistaken symptoms, resistance bodies able to withstand decades until the environment turns favorable again, mutation and exponential growth. It doesn't help that certain bacteria can incorporate genetic material that's just floating around, or exchange genes with other bacteria, or that most viruses can be tricked into putting just about any genetic code into their capsules while they are being assembled in the host cell.
I really like how you tend to go to the root of reasoning when you explain things. Most people are in error, and thus i dislike them, but you're not. I like you. You are alright in my books.

Though from what you have brough up i would think it possible that the reason that he doesn't have those reactions in place is because he has other reactions taking their places? Like, for instance, having a direct instinct to take note of how to not make something happen in the future rather then regretting it.
 
I really like how you tend to go to the root of reasoning when you explain things. Most people are in error, and thus i dislike them, but you're not. I like you. You are alright in my books.

Though from what you have brough up i would think it possible that the reason that he doesn't have those reactions in place is because he has other reactions taking their places? Like, for instance, having a direct instinct to take note of how to not make something happen in the future rather then regretting it.
I'm leaning more towards different brain chemistry due to different evolutionary priorities between primal zerg and primates. A zerg couldn't give less of a fuck about disease and poison, it will eat them and either gain resistance or learn to synthesise them. A zerg wouldn't back away from a place where its kin were slaughtered, a zerg would plant an ambush and subsume whatever was strong enough to best its kin. A zerg eating its own kind will grow stronger, incorporating their strengths and discarding what is no use to it. A human turning cannibal will risk a lot of diseases, prions in particular if I remember correctly, social stigma (he's a danger to the community, so the community will shut it the fuck down), and their own sanity (pack animals are wired to prevent just that, to go against those instincts requires a significant detachment or derangement, either not seeing humans as his kind or not caring about it, or worse, consider that its only right that kind devour kind).

As for how I reason things. It comes from studying a lot of biology, with some history and ecology on the side. If a trait doesn't work, its bearer dies and it doesn't get passed down. Simple as that. All impulses, instincts and behaviours have root on brutal pragmatism.

Pack animals? I don't have to outrun the predator, only outrun the slowest of my group. Ambush? Less likely to be the first to go down, and more likely to get a warning, either from someone spotting the predator or from someone's screams of pain. Also, being in a group makes predators more likely to go for easier prey instead, and it makes ganking stronger prey easier.

So blending in the crowd and being in agreement with it are desirable traits. Which also caused peer pressure and mob mentality to be a thing.
 
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