Finding Our Way: A Warring States Naruto AU/WHFB Quest

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Kinda spoilerish but he is genuinely popular. Tilea rolled a 1 which means that part of the reason he was able to take half the country so quickly is because the peasantry, bourgeois and nobility that does exist mostly sided with him.

His platform is basically a revanchist unitarian one where he seeks to unify Estalia and Tilea under a single empire to then invade and destroy Skavenblight in the name of Myrmidia, for whom he is an extremely devout worshipper of even if just praying burns him. This all adds up to the fact that his armies are composed majorly of not just the usual masses of undead but professional living soldiers that can use advanced weaponry.
Yea i dont want us to attack him, hell i want to help in his goal to deal with Skavenblight, and with undead, vampires and the living, he might be able to do, and if we help him his chances goes up

And we should try and get the Hatake in on this instead of fighting vs him
 
The issue with vampires in WHF is that they are inherently a destructive force wherever they are if they're in any sort of position of power. They are powered by Dhar which means their manner of combat, their magic, and even their very lives inherently leaves their surroundings tainted, and the more taint the better for them so they are encouraged to leave it all around. They are completely cut off from the gods, which means that any benefits from religious leaders go right out the window, and centuries of being ruled over by literal unholy abominations is gonna bring down the faith of the population, thus weakening the gods further.

There's also the societal implications of having your existence after death be spent as a slave laborer for the benefit of the living a la Sylvania. Enjoy your normal life I guess, because the rest of eternity after that is gonna be shit.
 
The issue with vampires in WHF is that they are inherently a destructive force wherever they are if they're in any sort of position of power. They are powered by Dhar which means their manner of combat, their magic, and even their very lives inherently leaves their surroundings tainted, and the more taint the better for them so they are encouraged to leave it all around. They are completely cut off from the gods, which means that any benefits from religious leaders go right out the window, and centuries of being ruled over by literal unholy abominations is gonna bring down the faith of the population, thus weakening the gods further.

There's also the societal implications of having your existence after death be spent as a slave laborer for the benefit of the living a la Sylvania. Enjoy your normal life I guess, because the rest of eternity after that is gonna be shit.
Do all necromancy touch the soul, because I don't really thinks it matters if he use the dead flesh so a living soldier wouldn't die.

And like, we could always try dealing with him after he brought the fight to the skaven, he can't be more poisonous to the environment than them.
 
Do all necromancy touch the soul, because I don't really thinks it matters if he use the dead flesh so a living soldier wouldn't die.

And like, we could always try dealing with him after he brought the fight to the skaven, he can't be more poisonous to the environment than them.
Yes, but also no. Necromancy in warhammer came from Naggash and the teachings of mortuary cult he perverted. Soul in the setting follows the egyptian divided into:
  • Khet or the "physical body"
  • Sah or the "spiritual body"
  • Ren or the "name, identity"
  • Ba or the "personality"
  • Ka or the "double" or "vital essence"
  • Ib or the "heart"
  • Shuyet or the "shadow"
  • Sekhem or the "power, form"
With common necromancy using only Sekhem and Khet (with Sah for wrights) as far as I remember.

Fun fact: the nekeharan fooder also uses Ba whoch is one of the reasons why they can have archers.

If I remember correctly, vampires lack Shuyet and have Ka damaged which is why they repectivly don't have shadow and need something like blood or dhar to fuel them.
 
Yes, but also no. Necromancy in warhammer came from Naggash and the teachings of mortuary cult he perverted. Soul in the setting follows the egyptian divided into:
  • Khet or the "physical body"
  • Sah or the "spiritual body"
  • Ren or the "name, identity"
  • Ba or the "personality"
  • Ka or the "double" or "vital essence"
  • Ib or the "heart"
  • Shuyet or the "shadow"
  • Sekhem or the "power, form"
With common necromancy using only Sekhem and Khet (with Sah for wrights) as far as I remember.

Fun fact: the nekeharan fooder also uses Ba whoch is one of the reasons why they can have archers.

If I remember correctly, vampires lack Shuyet and have Ka damaged which is why they repectivly don't have shadow and need something like blood or dhar to fuel them.
But I assume it doesn't really matter much, after the soul already left the body, it is just a broken doll.

Your name, identity, spiritual body, personality and more are gone and safe.
 
But I assume it doesn't really matter much, after the soul already left the body, it is just a broken doll.

Your name, identity, spiritual body, personality and more are gone and safe.
For the most part it still is having your soul split, and depending on your afterlife, it could be very problematic if your afterlife is fighting chaos or basically mortal life 2, missing Khet and Sekhem would be at the very least annoying.
 
Do we need to stop him? I mean, he's the enemy of Skaven. We could use fewer of them. Surely, there are other vampires to hunt who aren't fighting the blight of the earth?
Yeah honestly letting him take the fight to Skavenblight could actually be really good for us.
Yea i dont want us to attack him, hell i want to help in his goal to deal with Skavenblight, and with undead, vampires and the living, he might be able to do, and if we help him his chances goes up

And we should try and get the Hatake in on this instead of fighting vs him

You are IC not aware of the existence of the skaven and In-Universe no one really knows how big the under empire as a threat really is so neither you nor the Hatake would care about this.

Furthermore the Hatake think the undead are abominations and hate them as fanatically as the Morrites do which is why they get along so well so the idea of cooperating and cutting a deal with a vampire would be revolting to them.

You also have to keep in mind something, he's a revanchist, he wants all former lands that were ruled by Myrmidia under his new empire's rule, the Border Princes were once part of the Old Myrmidian Empire. That army of vampires Akim battled in his mercenary action was basically an expeditionary force for this guy. Once he's done with Tilea, he'll conquer Estalia next, then he'll attack Skavenblight, and then he'll cross the swamp and invade you.
 
You also have to keep in mind something, he's a revanchist, he wants all former lands that were ruled by Myrmidia under his new empire's rule, the Border Princes were once part of the Old Myrmidian Empire. That army of vampires Akim battled in his mercenary action was basically an expeditionary force for this guy. Once he's done with Tilea, he'll conquer Estalia next, then he'll attack Skavenblight, and then he'll cross the swamp and invade you.
Oh he wants our land? He needs to die
 
Oh he wants our land? He needs to die
He wants all the land. Think of him as either an old east roman emperor who wants to reconquer the lost western roman empire after the moving of the capital to Constantinople or Benito Mussolini and his obsession with recreating Rome 2.

The issue with vampires in WHF is that they are inherently a destructive force wherever they are if they're in any sort of position of power. They are powered by Dhar which means their manner of combat, their magic, and even their very lives inherently leaves their surroundings tainted, and the more taint the better for them so they are encouraged to leave it all around. They are completely cut off from the gods, which means that any benefits from religious leaders go right out the window, and centuries of being ruled over by literal unholy abominations is gonna bring down the faith of the population, thus weakening the gods further.

There's also the societal implications of having your existence after death be spent as a slave laborer for the benefit of the living a la Sylvania. Enjoy your normal life I guess, because the rest of eternity after that is gonna be shit.
He actually doesn't want to recreate Sylvania.

He actually loves Tilea as it exists, he's a patriot, so he's put extremely strict codes of conduct in the vampires that have joined his armies. Such as limiting feedings, forbidding necromancy and Dhar manipulation near fertile lands and population centers and so on.

It is helped both by his own xenophobia for vampires from foreign lands making sure he keeps them out and away from the civilians as well as the fact that he puts all the political and military power into the hands of his children and descendants both living and undead.

His plans are to create a centralized monarchy with his living descendants acting as the face and figureheads for the state while he and the rest of the immortal kin guide/rule it either from the shadows or as ministers of state.

A big part of the issue the cult of Morr is having and why they don't go for a second assassination attempt immediately is that due to how things are killing him would cause all the foreign vampires being kept on a tight leash to go into blood soaked rampages or an outright civil war where they'll kill millions of Tilean people.

Right now the war is about legitimacy, taking and holding land and destroying each other's military forces.
I would kind of think that he would be stopped here, considering it is part of continent spanning empire, but I guess he could always give up and come back to it later.
Vampires are a hard counter to almost all the advantages the Skaven have. If he manages to unite Estalia and Tilea he'll have enough guns, magic and men to take and raze Skavenblight to the bedrock, it might destroy the empire's population for several generations but he'll do it and then whatever's left will be enough to destroy you.
 
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Vampires are a hard counter to almost all the advantages the Skaven have. If he manages to unite Estalia and Tilea he'll have enough guns, magic and men to take and raze Skavenblight to the bedrock, it might destroy the empire's population for several generations but he'll do it and then whatever's left will be enough to destroy you.
How did he learn its location? Skavenblight is hidden from prying eyes specifically to avoid this kind of situation.

And I think it's less vampires that hard counter the Skaven and more Necromancy in general, since that turns their 2 biggest sources of military strength, those being Warpstone and sheer numbers, into something that their enemy can use against them. Naturally, a normal faction like the Empire or the High Elves have no such capability.
 
How did he learn its location? Skavenblight is hidden from prying eyes specifically to avoid this kind of situation.

And I think it's less vampires that hard counter the Skaven and more Necromancy in general, since that turns their 2 biggest sources of military strength, those being Warpstone and sheer numbers, into something that their enemy can use against them. Naturally, a normal faction like the Empire or the High Elves have no such capability.
Tilea and Estalia are home to some of the most fanatical Skaven Hunters on the entire planet having that information on hand wouldn't seem odd to me in that circumstance, said information is also of little use because no living Tilean or Estalian is insane enough to try and invade it, the dead on the other hand…
He trips then is slammed back as Grudgebrand reared his head back and slammed his fully armored head directly into the vampire's breastplate. The vampire bites back a scream as the sheer strength behind the attack combined with the energy from his stumble forward shatters through the steel protecting his stomach and ribs.

But he has suffered worse.

He has been burned alive at the hands of Skryre's flamethrowers during the botched invasion of skavenblight.

Sliced nearly to ribbons by the blades of Morr's priests and mages.

Trampled by the hooves of Brettonia's knightly elite.

His stomach being pulverized is nothing.
The Tilean vampire from the mercenary action was one of the Lord's childe and a veteran of one of those campaigns. The lord's been recruiting and leading vampires of his bloodline on crusades against Skavenblight for nearly a thousand years.

They've all ended in miserable failure.
 
Tilea and Estalia are home to some of the most fanatical Skaven Hunters on the entire planet having that information on hand wouldn't seem odd to me in that circumstance, said information is also of little use because no living Tilean or Estalian is insane enough to try and invade it, the dead on the other hand…

The Tilean vampire from the mercenary action was one of the Lord's childe and a veteran of one of those campaigns. The lord's been recruiting and leading vampires of his bloodline on crusades against Skavenblight for nearly a thousand years.

They've all ended in miserable failure.
On their own, no. But the problem of knowing where Skavenblight is, especially if it has been known for a long time, is that it wouldn't just be Tilea or Estalia wanting to burn it to the bedrock. The Dwarfs, tons of the Border Princes, Bretonnia, and even Ulthuan would be eager to turn the Skaven capital into a smoldering crater if only they knew where it was.

If it was a case of "It is known by a rare few on occasion and the Skaven keep killing them" then that would be another matter.
 
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On their own, no. But the problem of knowing where Skavenblight is, especially if it has been known for a long time, is that it wouldn't just be Tilea or Estalia wanting to burn it to the bedrock. The Dwarfs, tons of the Border Princes, Bretonnia, and even Ulthuan would be eager to turn the Skaven capital into a smoldering crater if only they knew where it was.

If it was a case of "It is known by a rare few on occasion and the Skaven keep killing them" then that would be another matter.
They would not.

Unlike the empire, who is secretly at war with them, the rest of the world has been openly at war with the vermintide either for centuries or millennia, they've had time to capture and interrogate everything they could ever need out from Skaven prisoners or found from their own maps. Skavenblight is known but that doesn't make it attractive.

It is the most populated skaven settlement in the world while also being garrisoned by some of the most elite and well equipped forces their species has ever produced all surrounded by a swamp that is constantly being blighted by the grey seers, clan pestilens and the great horned rat's presence.

The dwarves are so anemic they can barely try to take back Karak Eight Peaks much less try and destroy Skavenblight.

The Border Princes have no central government and their military forces are laughably organized and under equipped.

Ulthuan does not have enough lives to both maintain their current commitment in holding back the dark elves and other chaos aligned forces all across the breadth of their naval empire and try to take Skavenblight.

Brettonia already has enough on their plate with the Orcs and Vampires constantly trying to destroy their country along with constant pirate activity along their coast it not to mention that the swamps surrounding skavenblight basically render their cavalry nearly unusable.

The fact of the matter is knowing where it is does nothing because trying to take it would basically destroy whoever wins.

The reason Vampire El Duce can pull it off is because unlike those other groups he's fanatical enough to get it done no matter how much blood needs to be spilt and more importantly unlike every other faction he is both a powerful necromancer and the leader of an army's worth of powerful necromancers.

Put respect on the Skaven, they maybe chickenshit cowards who often hide their presence out of fear of being found out, but when they want to throw down they can do it with the best of them.
 
Skavenblight is not a job for the Ordertide to try and roll, its a Hellwar for Malekith or Nagash to consider trying before flinching and picking fights with literally anyone else.

That right there isn't a normal nation to try conquering, its a gigantic chainsaw glory hole where everything is made of uranium that people know better than to stick their dicks into.
 
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They would not.

Unlike the empire, who is secretly at war with them, the rest of the world has been openly at war with the vermintide either for centuries or millennia, they've had time to capture and interrogate everything they could ever need out from Skaven prisoners or found from their own maps. Skavenblight is known but that doesn't make it attractive.

It is the most populated skaven settlement in the world while also being garrisoned by some of the most elite and well equipped forces their species has ever produced all surrounded by a swamp that is constantly being blighted by the grey seers, clan pestilens and the great horned rat's presence.

The dwarves are so anemic they can barely try to take back Karak Eight Peaks much less try and destroy Skavenblight.

The Border Princes have no central government and their military forces are laughably organized and under equipped.

Ulthuan does not have enough lives to both maintain their current commitment in holding back the dark elves and other chaos aligned forces all across the breadth of their naval empire and try to take Skavenblight.

Brettonia already has enough on their plate with the Orcs and Vampires constantly trying to destroy their country along with constant pirate activity along their coast it not to mention that the swamps surrounding skavenblight basically render their cavalry nearly unusable.

The fact of the matter is knowing where it is does nothing because trying to take it would basically destroy whoever wins.

The reason Vampire El Duce can pull it off is because unlike those other groups he's fanatical enough to get it done no matter how much blood needs to be spilt and more importantly unlike every other faction he is both a powerful necromancer and the leader of an army's worth of powerful necromancers.

Put respect on the Skaven, they maybe chickenshit cowards who often hide their presence out of fear of being found out, but when they want to throw down they can do it with the best of them.
Skavenblight was repeatedly described as having never been discovered by mankind in practically every lore snippet I can find. Skavenblight isn't just some big city, it is the seat of power for the Great Horned Rat, and its secrecy is one of the few things that all the Skaven agree on preserving. Even if somehow the information was extracted from a captured Skaven, it is covered by magics of obscurity so powerful that the rest of the mortal world cannot possibly imagine it. Anyone who would seek to confirm it would just go "It's not here, shit". Only Golgfag Maneater managed to find the place and get out alive, and that was recent in the history of the world.

Considering the amount of grief the Skaven gave to the entirety of the world, I do not and cannot believe that never once over the course of all these millennia that their enemies decided that they would put an end to the threat of the rat men once and for all. The Asur have invaded Naggaroth, Eltharion alone took an army into the Badlands and started killing Orcs in such numbers that WAAAGH!s from further and further away began diverting course to do battle with him, Bretonnia has led crusades on its own that ventured as far as the Land of the Dead and even the New World, but the destruction of so hated and so close a foe just... never happened? Even when the Empire of Sigmar was little more than a collection of recently allied tribes they could launch a war of retaliation across the Sea of Claws into Norsca itself. And that's only factions broadly aligned with Order, imagine how many greenskins and Chaos Lords would make it their mission to take over the city as soon as the knowledge of its location became accessible. Skavenblight, even if the victory was ultimately theirs, would have at least once been catastrophically damaged, and the beating black heart of the Under-Empire would be covered in scars.

And even if you disagree with all of that, the idea of the Skaven being such a clever, cowardly, and powerful race that their largest and most important city has remained hidden for all this time because they put that much effort into secrecy, at least to me, fits them much better and is cooler then Skavenblight just being located somewhere that is extremely hazardous but commonly known.
 
And even if you disagree with all of that, the idea of the Skaven being such a clever, cowardly, and powerful race that their largest and most important city has remained hidden for all this time because they put that much effort into secrecy, at least to me, fits them much better and is cooler then Skavenblight just being located somewhere that is extremely hazardous but commonly known.
That is a fair opinion and I cannot and will not attempt to dissuade you from it.
 
They would not.

Unlike the empire, who is secretly at war with them, the rest of the world has been openly at war with the vermintide either for centuries or millennia, they've had time to capture and interrogate everything they could ever need out from Skaven prisoners or found from their own maps. Skavenblight is known but that doesn't make it attractive.

It is the most populated skaven settlement in the world while also being garrisoned by some of the most elite and well equipped forces their species has ever produced all surrounded by a swamp that is constantly being blighted by the grey seers, clan pestilens and the great horned rat's presence.

The dwarves are so anemic they can barely try to take back Karak Eight Peaks much less try and destroy Skavenblight.

The Border Princes have no central government and their military forces are laughably organized and under equipped.

Ulthuan does not have enough lives to both maintain their current commitment in holding back the dark elves and other chaos aligned forces all across the breadth of their naval empire and try to take Skavenblight.

Brettonia already has enough on their plate with the Orcs and Vampires constantly trying to destroy their country along with constant pirate activity along their coast it not to mention that the swamps surrounding skavenblight basically render their cavalry nearly unusable.

The fact of the matter is knowing where it is does nothing because trying to take it would basically destroy whoever wins.

The reason Vampire El Duce can pull it off is because unlike those other groups he's fanatical enough to get it done no matter how much blood needs to be spilt and more importantly unlike every other faction he is both a powerful necromancer and the leader of an army's worth of powerful necromancers.

Put respect on the Skaven, they maybe chickenshit cowards who often hide their presence out of fear of being found out, but when they want to throw down they can do it with the best of them.
To be honest, if we knew how much of a threat they were, I would be pretty willing to cut some alliance to him, as the rulers for our slice of the land under his leardership, but we don't, so it is moot.
 
I think that general region where Skavenblight is, is known but said area is poisonous swamp the size of West Virginia or Bavaria, with only ruins of great tower sticking out of the swamp and most of the city being Underground.

Vampire El Duck can sacrifice 10s of thousands undead to find it exact location but most would die without fighting and even seeing the ruins, which is the reason why orcs aren't invading
 
We should definitely back the Hatake clan. They're excellent allies to have, and if they set up a standard Village, they'll never lack for work, much like us. Our respective regions are close enough for meaningful alliance, yet far enough to reduce geopolitical tensions.

The Hatake have Estilia and Tillia, while we share the Empire the Middle East, and Brentonia. There's pleany of work for everyone, and little reason for serous conflict between us, for the next few deckades, at least.

As for the wannbe Vampire Emperor, maybe we can drive him back to the Skavenblight region?

If we force him to focus on his long term millitary and religious goal, that of avenging Mirmedia, we can reduce his threat massivly. The Warpstone he can capture from Skavenblight will be a terrible asset, but it's worse in Skaven claws.

We can assassinate him later, with joint strikes with the Hatake, backed by Paladins and Clerics of Morr, but if he turns the swarms of Skavenblight against them to raze the blight to the bedrock, he may very well have earned a place at Mirmidia's side, should he be killed immediately afterwards.
 
I am kind of wary of picking aides to a serious extent in this conflict, what is his policy when he ruling nobles are conquered or willingly join his empire.

Would he definitely try to replace us, or can we shrug, swear to him, and continue business as normal (only we have greater backing and pay taxes now).
 
I am kind of wary of picking aides to a serious extent in this conflict, what is his policy when he ruling nobles are conquered or willingly join his empire.

Would he definitely try to replace us, or can we shrug, swear to him, and continue business as normal (only we have greater backing and pay taxes now).
His policy is being nice… towards pure-blooded Tileans. Everyone else gets treated at best like a second class citizen, the Estalians and Tilean blooded offshoots like our vassals in the BP, or at worst subhumans that exist to work as slave labor and or die, IE everyone else which includes you.

The foreign vampires in his army are being tolerated because he needs their muscle to fight the Cult of Morr and the coming crusade that's being summoned up but if he had his way he'd burn them all at the stake too.
 
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