Fear Cuts Deeper Than Swords: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder Quest

Goldfish un-liked the write-up just because of the pony. How petty is that :V

Anyway, a build!

[x] Plan TNE
-[x] STR 14 DEX 8 CON 14 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 18+2
-[x] "Paladin of Dawn" archetype.
-[x] Flaws: Pride of Arms, Cold-Blooded
-[x] Feats: Battle Blessing, Power Attack, Step Up, Scion of War
-[x] Traits: Reactionary, Focused Mind
-[x] Skill ranks (2 class + 1 Int + 1 Human + 1 Favored Class): +1 in Diplomacy, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (History) (background bonus), Knowledge (Religion), Ride, Perform (String) (background bonus), Sense Motive


@Goldfish the temptation of not going for the trifecta of Mounted feats was great, I will tell you.

Battle Blessing is non-negotiable for me, Power Attack we gotta get now as our next combat feat will only be at 9th, barring shenanigans (like Wishing for a feat or a divine boon or such). We get Greater Mercy on 3rd, Extra Lay on Hands on 5th, and by 6th we will have precisely 10 Lay on Hands (3 from levels, 5 from Charisma, 2 from the feat), so we pick up Ultimate Mercy at 7th.

At 9th, who knows? Improved Critical, Lunge, the world is our oyster, as long as it doesn't have many pre-reqs and doesn't need Dex, Int or Wis :V

Step Up and Scion of War I'm not dead-certain on. While I like Furious Focus on low levels, PF power attack doesn't grant as big a malus as 3.5, only up to what, -6 at 20th? I think Furious Focus on anything not an NPC (which desperately needs every edge to hit and hurt PCs) is something of a false economy, especially without 3.5 PA like we have on our Shocktroopers in the Legion.

Step Up is just plain good, either for cheeky shits wielding reach weapons or mages.

Scion of War is good for negating our negative Dex, and goes well with Reactionary (which I think is something he'd have gotten beaten into his head by his isntructors, being a naturally slower fellow). Focused Mind fits his personality as quiet and studious a lot.

Pride of Arms is very fitting for someone trained in the Vale, and a noble besides, and so does Cold-Blooded for a notherner.

And for gear, I'm thinking a Breastplate, quality protection for day-to-day use, a set of fullplate he got as a gift from Lord Horton, a falchion he picked up in a fit of fancy while touring Gulltown's markets, a composite (+2) shortbow that's just neat- fun while practicing archery, great for hunting on horse-back and in the bush, and good for self-defense too, a kuhkri he has a hold-out weapon on the small of the back (like Bronn), a Lance because he is great on horseback, and a plain longsword and heavy wooden shield combo, the shield being useful while mounted and when wielding the longsword. A heavy warhorse with a military saddle close the ensemble, besides miscelanous stuff a rich young knight would have on his saddlebags, which I won't bother to track.

Obviously he doesn't carry all of this on his person, but I figure it's a reasonable spread of stuff for someone of his stature and position to have. Falchion for main weapon (to diversify a little from the usual greatswords, and hey, his strenght is merely above average, so a nimbler weapon makes sense), a lance and shield because he is a damn knight, a holdout weapon because he isn't dumb and neither is Horton's Master at Arms, the bow because, again, very versatile tool, and the sword in case he has need of a shield while on foot, and I doubt his father sent him south without at least a good, if plain sword at his side.
What? I didn't unlike it. I never gave it a like to begin with. Or did I? My memory betrays me yet again. :oops:

Pride of Arms is a perfectly acceptable feat, but not Cold-Blooded. Not only is it one of the sillier potential flaws, IMO, it's one that Domeric should have either grown out of or never developed, considering he spent most of his formative years in the South.

More appropriate would be Chivalrous Courtesy (that Southerner indoctrination), Grudge-Keeper (that Bolton blood showing itself), or Haunted (more side-effects of being a Bolton and a nice nod to his starting focus).

Nothing really wrong with Step Up, but what about Radiant Charge instead? It's a nice way to front load even more damage into an attack, especially one that is also getting some Smite Evil attention. At 2nd level, being able to drop another 6d6+6 on a target is pretty damned good. @Zioneer would just have to let us take it at 1st level, despite Lay on Hands not being active until 2nd level.

[X] Plan TNE
 
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Well, I'm game for switching Cold-Blooded for Chilvarous Courtesy, as long as something like a female zombie doesn't trigger it.
@TotallyNotEvil
Ultimate Mercy works like Raise Dead when it comes to time-limits, right?

So longer-dead people like our mother are not in the cards anyway.
Oh yeah, I thought it was years/CL. Too used to Ressurection enormous time limit.
Seems like people dont really want to play paladin. What with the hombrew and casting. Might as well make a marshal or somethig and lwad a few cohorts.
How's the archetype not a paladin?

It smells like a paladin, looks like a paladin and sounds like a paladin.

It merely sucks slightly less when it comes to magic.
 
[X] Plan TNE

Oh boy can't wait to go riding on a goat! Too bad I was hoping for a great white wolf...
 
What? I didn't unlike it. I never gave it a like to begin with. Or did I? My memory betrays me yet again. :oops:

Pride of Arms is a perfectly acceptable feat, but not Cold-Blooded. Not only is it one of the sillier potential flaws, IMO, it's one that Domeric should have either grown out of or never developed, considering he spent most of his formative years in the South.

More appropriate would be Chivalrous Courtesy (that Southerner indoctrination), Grudge-Keeper (that Bolton blood showing itself), or Haunted (more side-effects of being a Bolton and a nice nod to his starting focus).

Nothing really wrong with Step Up, but what about Radiant Charge instead? It's a nice way to front load even more damage into an attack, especially one that is also getting some Smite Evil attention. At 2nd level, being able to drop another 6d6+6 on a target is pretty damned good. @Zioneer would just have to let us take it at 1st level, despite Lay on Hands not being active until 2nd level.

Hmm... 6d6+6 (lol evil number on a Paladin) seems a bit high for a second level character, but I'm willing to let Domeric take Radiant Charge when he can actually do Lay on Hands.
 
Can Domeric learn spellcasters are always armed, for the purposes of Code of Arms?

And what would trigger Chilvarous Courtesy? A succubus? A zombie?
Succubus yes, zombie, no. My reasoning is thus: Domeric is a young man. Therefore, as crude as it is, he would be attracted to a succubus because she's a pretty female humanoid. A female zombie is more often than not... rotting all over.
 
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Where are the fifty voters from the start?
Adhoc vote count started by TotallyNotEvil on Jun 28, 2019 at 4:58 PM, finished with 102 posts and 7 votes.
 
This voter doesn't know enough about D&D/Pathfinder to contribute anything, so no point stirring up trouble.
Well, I guarantee the quality of my builds :V

But for example, two big possible sticking points are the flaws: disadvantages you take so you can take extra advantages.

Currently we are going with Domeric having neglected his training with simple (as opposed to Martial) weapons in the Pride of Arms flaw, and being hesitant to hit women with "Code of Arms".

Some other interesting options are: hesitant to strike an unarmed creature (claws and such count as weapons, but glaringly, magic wouldn't), having trouble with heat, having some spooky phenomena happen around him, and keeping grudges so he is distracted if he doesn't hit someone who hit him back at least once in combat.

The stats are allocated with the aim of taking the Ultimate Mercy feat at lv 7, which allows him to raise someone who's died recently, as in days ago. This is amazing in that, for one, raising the freaking dead, and another, it is earlier access to raise dead than the Cleric gets, and even gets around the expensive and rare reagents.

This comes at a cost of being of just above average strenght and hardiness, being on the bad side of average for dexterity (which is fine manipulation, hand eye coordination, reflexes), and kind of, well, "not wise" to the same degree. His intelligence is slightly better than average, and his charisma is through the roof.

His feats allow him to trade accuracy for damage (the most standard feat in melee combat), to follow up on an opponent trying to disengage (very valuable if the opponent has a longer reach, or is trying to step back and cast a spell), use his family's martial heritage for reacting instead of raw dexterity (funky, eh?), and cast his spells considerably faster than normal. The archetype is a fusion of 3.5 and Pathfinder stuff that generally boils down to "better at magic, including defeating it, and better at fighting undead, but more fragile, and not as good at fighting demons and dragons", with some features taking up space in his progression that would give, say, the ability to heal disease, or poison, so that'd come in much later than normal.

It also pre-selects his divine bond, which is usually a choice between a configurable magical weapon, a variety of spirits and a mount. It gives him a non-standard mount that's pretty good, and a classic with a twist: a unicorn for the paladin... But it looks like the actual ASOIAF Unicorns, aka a gigantic, majestic goat.

Does that help?
 
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[x] Plan TNE

I have to admit... the idea of resurrection at level 7 in Westeroes tickles me.

(and also this way we have more options when our reckless actions inevitably get our allies killed :V)
 
Remember everyone, voting ends at midnight MST (that's 2:00 EST for folks on the East Coast). I will have the first post up sometime Saturday.

Others can come up plans of their own until then; I'm perfectly willing to use plan TNE, I just hope it has competition so we can say it wasn't forced upon the thread.
 
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