Well, he is still a Bolton.
I just hope it gets proper build up, if he does end up winning. Going that way right from the start kind of seems like a waste of the initial premise.
Fear Cuts Deeper Than Swords: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder Quest
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Well, he is still a Bolton.
I just hope it gets proper build up, if he does end up winning. Going that way right from the start kind of seems like a waste of the initial premise.
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Alright, makes sense. I don't have any further objections; I'll take Cleave instead of Furious Focus for the feat, I think.
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Power Attack is a requirement for both Furious Focus and Cleave. A human paladin only gets 2 feats at lv 1.
Is power attack just going to be something that he can do and doesnt require a feat?
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No, I think he'll expend his feats on Power Attack and Cleave. That seems reasonable unless I'm still misunderstanding.
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I just checked the character sheet he has Detect Evil will that work on Roose?
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If Domeric thinks of using it on his own father, we'll find out.
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"I'll use Detect Evil on Ramsay."
"Okay. You put your focus onto your half-brother and feel the energies coming off of him... it is a BURNING sensation! Your eyes close shut in agony as your senses are assaulted. Ears ringing like you were hit by an iron bell. Your nose... your nose just has this corroding feeling as the taste slowly engulfs your nostrils and fills your mouth and throat. You can barely think. You can hardly think.
Slowly, you start panting, short on breath as each labored inhalation becomes shorter than the next. Bending down to put your hands on your knees and to stop yourself from falling over, you open your eyes just enough to see the ground before-- arrgh! The air stings into your eyes! You caught dark tendrils of total nothingness just emanating from Ramsay's direction, right before you...
...
So yeah you then throw up and Ramsay comes over to ask you, 'would like to come over for dinner, dear Brother?' How do you respond?"
"I accept! No, wait, shit!"
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Now lets be honest, Detect Evil would get a weak aura from Ramsay, if he is a mortal with 5 or less HD.
Unless he's literally a demon or a priest of evil gods all evil mortals in the same HD-range show up the same.
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Oy oy, put the character sheet to a vote!
I've put up a prototype build on page 2.
I disagree with Furious Focus, not taking any Flaws, and the shit traits.
@edit: And the stat alocation, too.
I've put up a prototype build on page 2.
I disagree with Furious Focus, not taking any Flaws, and the shit traits.
@edit: And the stat alocation, too.
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Goldfish
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Seconded.
If we're getting stuck with a Paladin, at least let us build him ourselves.
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Oops, my bad, I apologize for not putting it to a vote. I guess I can modify the sheet as is voted on. Should I do a separate threadmark post for a character sheet vote? This is my first quest, so I'm unsure of the etiquette around this.
Goldfish
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Nothing to apologize for, dude. I can't speak for everyone, but there are some of us who like to build character sheets.
If you'll let us, we'll come up with a proposed starting build for Domeric.
Question; can we select his traits and flaws/drawbacks? Picking up a couple flaws in order to gain another couple starting feats would be nice.
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Sure, if you'll let me look through the flaws and drawbacks you want, I'm completely willing to see what y'all come up with.
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Well, what about you post the first chapter you had in mind for Domeric? We can finish the sheet then, and then either vote on it, or have it done by the time you post.
I'd like some clarifications, especially due the 3.P nature:
- Feats: PF or 3.5 progression? Which version takes priority? If we are going with PF progression, as we have a PF class, I think PF feats are logical, but there are some tweaks I'll link to later, mostly in the combat maneuver department.
- We good for the standard two Flaws and Traits?
- ACFS & Stuff: Can we take (when we have the minimum level necessary of course, if any):
--- From Smite to Song - Fits well with his ludic talents.
--- Mystic Fire Knight - This I think it's a good little addition that's priced fairly. We don't have TU/Remove Disease to lose, but it already penalizes the HD. In light of Pally winning over Sorc and Druid, I think a little oomph wouldn't be out of place. It's minor, but nice.
--- Sword of the Arcane Order - Same vein as the above.
- How do you intend to handle a more exotic mount, such as Drakkensteed? Do we need to signal if we want something like that early? ASOIAF has a ton of exotic magical/prehistorical critters, so a lot could be refluffed.
- Armor: Can we use the mundane Reinforced and Segmented armor qualities? That'd be the real good shit.
Unless you are talking major infrastructure works, money isn't an issue. Even plate armor.
The odds of the Boltons not having what's probably a long, long line of smiths are minuscule.
- No reason to not have a Breastplate if going with something less than full plate, Scale Mail is budget armor: it's relatively high-tier, but making long, large and flat panes of steel is where the difficulty of solid armor pieces come from. A couple sets of armor isn't unusual, either.
- Domeric was said to be a champion jouster in the making. Unless you want to get eviscerated, are suicidal or really don't really have any other options, you do not joust with anything less than plate armor.
- He was in the Vale, the most hardcore stronghold of traditional knighthood in Westeros, the continent of knights. The Reach has a shitton of riders, but the Vale is where it started and to this day it is renowed for its knights.
There's more than enough motive and opportunity. In fact, it can be a minor plot point: he got a set of field plate as a 15th-16th birthday present from Lord Redfort.
Trust me, don't sweat the small stuff, especially when it'd clash with IC logic.
I'd like some clarifications, especially due the 3.P nature:
- Feats: PF or 3.5 progression? Which version takes priority? If we are going with PF progression, as we have a PF class, I think PF feats are logical, but there are some tweaks I'll link to later, mostly in the combat maneuver department.
- We good for the standard two Flaws and Traits?
- ACFS & Stuff: Can we take (when we have the minimum level necessary of course, if any):
--- From Smite to Song - Fits well with his ludic talents.
--- Mystic Fire Knight - This I think it's a good little addition that's priced fairly. We don't have TU/Remove Disease to lose, but it already penalizes the HD. In light of Pally winning over Sorc and Druid, I think a little oomph wouldn't be out of place. It's minor, but nice.
--- Sword of the Arcane Order - Same vein as the above.
- How do you intend to handle a more exotic mount, such as Drakkensteed? Do we need to signal if we want something like that early? ASOIAF has a ton of exotic magical/prehistorical critters, so a lot could be refluffed.
- Armor: Can we use the mundane Reinforced and Segmented armor qualities? That'd be the real good shit.
Retrain our fallen paladin levels into a concept cleric of Death, then Bone Knight, and still pick up most paladin traits back.
Domeric is heir to the Dreadfort.
Unless you are talking major infrastructure works, money isn't an issue. Even plate armor.
Yes, lords don't generally buy gear if they have a smith, and having a master smith is a point of pride, and something of a requirement in the higher strata, because "castle-forged steel" is called such for a reason.
The odds of the Boltons not having what's probably a long, long line of smiths are minuscule.
Besides what I said above, there are another couple points:
- No reason to not have a Breastplate if going with something less than full plate, Scale Mail is budget armor: it's relatively high-tier, but making long, large and flat panes of steel is where the difficulty of solid armor pieces come from. A couple sets of armor isn't unusual, either.
- Domeric was said to be a champion jouster in the making. Unless you want to get eviscerated, are suicidal or really don't really have any other options, you do not joust with anything less than plate armor.
- He was in the Vale, the most hardcore stronghold of traditional knighthood in Westeros, the continent of knights. The Reach has a shitton of riders, but the Vale is where it started and to this day it is renowed for its knights.
There's more than enough motive and opportunity. In fact, it can be a minor plot point: he got a set of field plate as a 15th-16th birthday present from Lord Redfort.
Trust me, don't sweat the small stuff, especially when it'd clash with IC logic.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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@TotallyNotEvil, I know it is a big knightly pastime in Westeros and jousting is only second to food porn, but I really, really don't want to waste feats focusing Domeric on mounted combat.
Most fighting won't be from horseback, after all, and we're gonna need every feat we can scrounge to survive as a Paladin in Westeros of all places.
Most fighting won't be from horseback, after all, and we're gonna need every feat we can scrounge to survive as a Paladin in Westeros of all places.
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Admittedly, I'm still working on the first chapter, and was planning to have it done by Saturday.
-Feats: PF progression.
-I'm not as familiar with Flaws and Traits but assuming no one objects that sounds fine.
-I'll check From Smite to Song again, but if the thread votes on including that I see no objection.
-Mystic Fire Knight: I'm not so familiar with that class but it does sound interesting. It won't show up at the beginning of course, but depending on where the story takes us..
-Sword of the Arcane Order: If Mystic Fire Knight ends up in the story, then it would be reasonable to have that show up too.
-Mounts I'm coming up with ideas for; I may have special little adventures for exotic/custom mounts.
-I am unclear about Reinforced and Segmented armor qualities, could you link me to that?
Seems like a reasonable point as well, I rule that Domeric Bolton can start with plate armor if y'all decide to include that in the sheet.
Good point on the Vale and the plot point.
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Well, Mystic Fire Knight are Paladin substitution levels.
Pretty sweet, with the whole "magic is back" theme.
Armor Abilities - Reinforced*
Armor Abilities - Segmented*
Armor Abilities - Vital Coverage*
Armor Abilities - Ornate*
Armor Abilities - Lightweight*
Armor Abilities - Caster Armor*
Armor Abilities - Environmentally Designed*
Armor Abilities - Resilient*
It takes really good smiths to make stuff with these properties. Especially if you stack them, a normal master smith might manage a couple, but I'm pretty sure you'd need serious magic to get a high enough bonus to add all eight as, IIRC, the DC keeps stacking. I think a suit of armor with all eight would be like DC 78 Craft Check.
Tho looking at it, PF has some nicer (and more varied, or at least a very full SRD list) mundane armor. Never noticed.
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Could we start with some basic plate and enhance it as we go along, becoming stronger with each ability?
Not too picky about the character sheet, The stat distribution is good, makes sense our wisdom is the lowest
looks like y'all got it covered!
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Yeah, yeah, tho the existence or not of opportunities to fight on horseback does depend on location and the GM.
I'm thinking Dreadful Wrath would fit in well with a Bolton, and maybe go for STR 16 DEX 10 CON 14 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 16+2, so we bump CHA to 19 at 4th and perhaps try and rush Ultimate Mercy.
I think we could get it as soon as 5th, but that'd take some serious investment: Extra Lay On Hands x, besides Greater Mercy and Ultimate Mercy. The entire build, not counting flaws. No Bueno.
Frigging Greater Mercy is pretty shitty for a feat, and CHA 19 kind of hurts for getting it early as opposed to, say, 13th level.
A less focused build would be STR 16 DEX 12 CON 14 INT 14 WIS 8 CHA 14+2. Extra skill point is pretty good.
Most of it is nice, but we can do without.Could we start with some basic plate and enhance it as we go along, becoming stronger with each ability?
Not too picky about the character sheet, The stat distribution is good, makes sense our wisdom is the lowest
It's just mundane enhancements, we should manage +1 armor by level 4-6 or so.
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@TotallyNotEvil
Would Spellshatter AFC from Mystic Fire Knight then replace the Mercy at level 6?
Since he PF Paladin doesn't have a simple Cure Disease to replace.
Would Spellshatter AFC from Mystic Fire Knight then replace the Mercy at level 6?
Since he PF Paladin doesn't have a simple Cure Disease to replace.
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If we want to go a bit more social (and maybe dump Dex a bit), may I present to you the mighty and flavorful noble-scion feat and its even more awesome younger brother enlightened-noble feat vis. the Scion of War option?
Nothing says proud Westerosi noble like taking advantage of being more ready to punch a fool than the other guy (and nbd if we dump Dex because we're going to be rocking the Paladin saves and self-heals anyway).
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Nothing says proud Westerosi noble like taking advantage of being more ready to punch a fool than the other guy (and nbd if we dump Dex because we're going to be rocking the Paladin saves and self-heals anyway
).@Zioneer @TotallyNotEvil
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Is there any way we can sneak in arcana as a class skill? I have a feeling we are going to need it sooner rather than later as we poke around the Dreadfort.
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