You are, world of Warcraft happens after the Warcraft games and DotA is a completely different universe.Yana said:... Sorry, I know little about Warcraft lore. That said, I did pick up a few things when my friends asked me to research about the DotA heroes.
Pardon my ignorance, but we're at Warcraft III timeline, right? Based on some posts, we're after the Human campaign where Arthas received the Frostmore?
Also, World of Warcraft happens before the Warcraft games, and DotA happens sometime during World of Warcraft?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I fail to understand this. We need to set up somewhere, why not here? Given that we do need to set up, our first priority should be a hope tower, and then once we have enough hope points a Hive Mind. Then once we have more bodies for Kyuubey, we can get him test subjects. There won't be a dearth of them with the war going on.rdc360 said:
Unknown until we make a Hope Tower and start collecting.HecateGW said:How much hope would be generated per turn from our current location, if we were to establish a Hope Tower here?
All those side quests on offer? They'll probably raise the mood of the town. Which would generate an increase in hope harvested.HecateGW said:Are there any actions we could perform to raise that level of hope within a single turn? Within multiple turns?
I don't really know Warcraft, but there are bandits and armies about.HecateGW said:What is the greatest threat in the region to any Tower of Hope?
GM said yes.HecateGW said:
Almost certainly not if we spin it right.HecateGW said:
Not a GM but speculation here.HecateGW said:How much hope would be generated per turn from our current location, if we were to establish a Hope Tower here?
Lets stop them from being scared. If the mood becomes normal, whatever penalty GM imposes will be gone. If we can get them to happy, we will probably get a bonus. Right now they are immediately scared because of the plague which we can fix by dealing with the grain and the bandits which are threatening them. On more long term they are scared of the undead invasion and the kingdom falling apart. That we can fix by demonstrating that we can defend the town.Are there any actions we could perform to raise that level of hope within a single turn? Within multiple turns?
Presumably once people figure out what the thing does, our enemies. Undead, Bandits and such. Though presumably humans and paladins are also a potential threat (see below)What is the greatest threat in the region to any Tower of Hope?
The people in Strahnbrad presumably would not panic so long as we explained what the tower does and that it poses no threat. We already helped by rescuing the family. Helping with the grain and bandits will further convince the townspeople that we are good guys and so they will leave the tower alone.
Actually, the GM confirmed that in the vicinity of a tower, Homura is basically super-duper-badass:rdc360 said:It will take a month to set up a Hope Tower. Even if Arthas has literally just killed King Terenas, he will most likely be back from Quel'Thalas and at our doorstep long before our Hivemind is completed. I reeeally don't want us to fight his army without having done any research on them because Kyubey was too busy building a Hope Tower. They'll have Frost Wyrms by then because Forest Wyrms were first unlocked in the campaign at the start of the their attack on the orc demon portal.
They will mostly destroy the town because its just a small village and we're just one person fighting a army. If we use our only Incubator to make a Hivemind and it gets destroyed, its pretty much game over.
So if we build up a tower in the town, Homura actually CAN fight an army by just taking flight and spamming huge amounts of non-stop arrows while the attackers are unable to hurt her. She apparently can defend Strahnbrad all alone. However since the superboost requires a tower, she can only do it within the vicinity of the tower (in other words, she cannot wipe out armies by attacking, since she would have to leave the influence of the tower to do so).Though, not all is doom and gloom, Homura is the equivalent of a level 10 Hero. And if you put her somewhere nearby a Tower, she's ....(look for a WC3 analogy) something like Cenarius. You'll need special circumstance to hurt her.
Not if we can summon other girls to support it when we leave. They would not be superboosted like Homura and could not fight off armies, but they would still be able to protect it decently I would assume.The only reason the people haven't all left is because of us. If we leave, they'll all leave too and then that Hope Tower is going to waste.
How would you justify this IC though? Homura has no idea that Arthas is going for Kel'Thuzads remains?Unless you guys want to hole up in this village in the middle of nowhere for the entire Third War, I say we destroy the Demon Portal and leave for Andorhal as soon as possible to hopefully reach it before Arthas finds Kel'Thuzad's remains and kills Uther.
How are you sure we would be welcome? We are still a lich, even if of a different type. Its quite possible that if we just appear there, the paladins and military will be extremely suspicious of us. Especially if people from Strahnbrad reveal that we promised protection and then just abandoned the townspeople to die.The ideal place for a permanent base is Hearthglen because that's where all the paladins are and where most of the kingdom's military is based.
The elephant in the living room being that the longer we put off making a hope tower, the longer it will take to make a hope tower. We have in this place a relatively secure base, out of the way of the major armies, where we can set up unmolested so long as we don't draw undue attention to ourselves. Further, where we are now won't kill us or lock us up for being a lich.rdc360 said:It will take a month to set up a Hope Tower. Even if Arthas has literally just killed King Terenas, he will most likely be back from Quel'Thalas and at our doorstep long before our Hivemind is completed. I reeeally don't want us to fight his army without having done any research on them because Kyubey was too busy building a Hope Tower. They'll have Frost Wyrms by then because Forest Wyrms were first unlocked in the campaign at the start of the their attack on the orc demon portal.
They will mostly destroy the town because its just a small village and we're just one person fighting a army. If we use our only Incubator to make a Hivemind and it gets destroyed, its pretty much game over.
There's no point building a tower there because the village is too small to justify the cost and the people are too scared at this point to offer much hope anyway. The only reason the people haven't all left is because of us. If we leave, they'll all leave too and then that Hope Tower is going to waste. Unless you guys want to hole up in this village in the middle of nowhere for the entire Third War, I say we destroy the Demon Portal and leave for Andorhal as soon as possible to hopefully reach it before Arthas finds Kel'Thuzad's remains and kills Uther.
The ideal place for a permanent base is Hearthglen because that's where all the paladins are and where most of the kingdom's military is based.
I edited the post with more replies that occurred to me, but you were as quick as a ninja.rdc360 said:Yes, but then the question is WHY would we want to defend this worthless tiny village of no value?
Because it's one of the few places in Lorderon that canonically doesn't fall to the Scourge?rdc360 said:Yes, but then the question is WHY would we want to defend this worthless tiny village of no value?
Also, presumably once news gets out that Strahnbrad is safe thanks to Homura, the population will increase as more people will arrive. The paladins might send envoys to check things out, and we will be able to make a good first impression since we are protecting civilians. Basically, while it may be a "tiny village" right now, it has the potential to grow quickly.Chimeraguard said:Besides, there are people here, they need help, and we can do something to help them.
There are others in other places that we can also help, but first, we need somewhere safe.
Assuming it works that way. Homura is a bit off unique in that her soul is not in her body, and her body actually can just turn into a corpse, and then revive later if the soulgem is taken far away. So she is not really FULLY alive. We have no way of knowing how the magic of the paladins affects her. For example, I could see it not hurting (since Homura is not a traditional kind of undead), but not healing either since Homuras physical form is soulless and only pseudo-alive so long as the soulgem is close. Since this is a crossover, it depends entirely on the GM how paladin magic affects Homura.al103 said:About the whole lich stuff... Paladin's Light Magic hurts undead and heals living. Guess what it would do to Homura? Hint: It's closest relative to Hope this plane have. Another Hint: Homura's body is still living.
It's easy enough to Homura to prove that she is not "one of them".
Maybe, depends on how many points we get per population/mood (I hope we will get this answered). Also I want to know what the population numbers are for the other towns. Whats the population of Andorhal for example. Are there hints in canon that you know of? How much bigger is it, can you give me a rough estimate? (3000, 5000, 10000, ?)rdc360 said:Creating other magical girls will far faaaar down the line, possible even years given how small the village is.
Hmm. This is plausible. Though I wonder if we could convince the entire town to evacuate. Also, is there enough food and such in Andorhal to support everyone if we do somehow manage it?Going to Andorhal can be justified by asking about possible allies and heroes. The villagers will no doubt tell us that paladins, champions of the Holy Light are have a base in Andorhal and are led by the greatest hero in the kingdom, Uther the Lightbringer.
How will you justify destroying the demon portal in IC? I mean if Homura abandons Strahnbrad, then presumably she will have no reason to attack some random orc camp thats not near the place she intends to go to? Homura could justify destroying that place to better safeguard Strahnbrad if she stayed, but if the town will be evacuated, why would Homura go after the orcs? She does NOT KNOW about the demon portal. Should she not just think of it as a minor thing of little importance?Then we can just escort the villagers to Andorhal (after destroying the Orc demon portal of course) and talk with Uther.
Plausible.Protecting the villagers and destroying orcs, syndicate and undead will help us win him over since he's probably the noblest and nicest guy in the setting at the moment and won't just go 'KILL HER WITH FIRE' the instant he sees us. Being in a bigger village with such legendary heroes of the Light will no doubt improve the morale of the villagers and give us more Hope points.
rdc360 said:
Spending a single turn building the tower is not a large expense.night_sentinel said:Building a Tower takes a whole month. Which is equivalent to 1 turn.
If. In Warcraft canon it's apparently one of the few places that didn't get attacked by the Scourge. Even then, Homura canonically has a lot of modern fire power in her hammerspace. I wonder how well an attacking army would fare against the level of firepower brought to bear against Walpurgisnacht.rdc360 said:The problem I have with setting up a base in this little village is the fact that if the Scourge attack it with only us and a tower as protection, the town WILL be destroyed.
Jefepato said:
Avalon said:Can we choose more than one sidequest to start? If we do, will there be penalties?
I cannot give the statistic at the current moment. This is the first of its kind and sort of experimental structure being attempted. Once, you guys manage to build one data should flow and Kyuubey will tell you all the pertinent details.Datakim said:Could you give us a bit of statistics on how much hope points we get based on the numbers and mood?.
Storing people in your shield cause them to die because of the lack of air and stuff. Think of the shield as a giant pocket dimension where Homura stores stuff.Datakim said:Actually, can we store people in our shield? Do they die, or will they remain frozen in time inside the shield?
HecateGW said:Questions to GM:
Are there any actions we could perform to raise that level of hope within a single turn? Within multiple turns?
What is the greatest threat in the region to any Tower of Hope?
Can the natives see the Tower of Hope?
Will the natives panic if they can see the Tower of Hope?
Build a special structure here?
[Building structure meant the Incubator assigned can't be put on another job]
[ ] Hive Mind (10,000 Hope point)
Sacrifice 1 incubator to make. This place creates the bodies used by the Incubators.
[ ] Hope Tower (1,000 Hope point)
Build near population center. This collects the emotional energy of the population along a 1 km radius. The happier and denser the population. The more hope collected.
[ ] Altar of Hope (10,000 Hope point)
Allows you to call upon other fallen Puella Magi.
[ ] Don't. I want to build somewhere else.
Research Available:
Like Building, any Incubators assigned in Research for a particular thing cannot be assigned to another
Physiological Differences
There were many potential in town. Unfortunately, Kyuubey cannot make a contract with them. It would like to study this phenomenon if possible. It also hypothesizes that having experimental subjects would make its research faster and urge you to procure them.
Sidequest Available
(If you want to provide a solution. All of this requite a write in)
Andorhal Grain
The tainted grain from Andorhal or what was left of it remains on one of the distribution warehouse. It was observed to be slowly poisoning the land around it. What to do?
A Threatening "Nobleman"
A band of marauders who's leader issued a 'message' to the residents of the town to surrender to its rightful lord for "protection" in exchange for tribute. The townsman already pressed for resources and does not wish to do so, but they might be forced.
Volunteer for the Militia
The undermanned, under equipped and under-trained militia of the town, severely need help. Perhaps you can help them?
Mutually Exclusive Choice from Above (Meaning if you pick this you can't pick any of the above choices.)
[ ] Go to Andorhal.
Kyuubey has one body, he can do one thing and one thing only.Darik29 said:
We are immue to corruption per GM. And we're undead anyway.cokerpilot said:Guys those of you voting to put the grain in our hammer space. Do you really want to put magically corrupting grain in a magical space that is connected to our soul?
She said that?Aranfan said: