Baby solar, will be a high level being, but we aren't there yet. At present we just have a few high level tricks on a mid level chassis.Alectai said:
[Exalted/SMT] Shard of a Broken Sun
- Thread starter Baughn
- Start date
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
we need new thread
Heaven Canceler
I would like to have a cool title.
- Location
- Austria
They are fragments of Nyarlaothep, mixed together with Amu or any other human that has an Chara? That would explain the relation. Charas are made from the united knowledge of mankind, the personality of the human, the dreams and ambitions and the highest potential of the Person after all.Baughn said:
Giygas
Cutest Sawk i could find. Lucario is a nice extra.
Maybe the charas are alternate versions of Amu, which knew how to do the thing she wanted to do?Baughn said:
Also: Thank you Ardion Prosili, for explaining exactly which kind of being is Nyarlatothep.
If i could, i would like your post hundreds of times.
Edit:
Igor called us "Child of Philemon", so the chance that they are fragments of Nyarlatothep is quite low.Heaven Canceler said:
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Yep, "advancement to your best" fit Philemon theme much better.Giygas said:
Baughn
Healing-type writer
- Location
- Dublin
No, he didn't~Alectai said:
Baughn
Healing-type writer
- Location
- Dublin
Not really, no. Though to be fair, you haven't actually seen the result of his gambit yet.Alectai said:
So that's 16-ish votes for "Don't take a side knowing so little / cannot brain, must sleep", 5-ish votes for "Accept" and a spattering of other random notions that don't pull in the same direction. I certainly got everyone out of the woodwork with this one; interesting to see that there are so many readers, since SB doesn't give me any more direct ways of checking that.
[X] Do not take a side knowing so little. Neither accept nor reject the offer.
-[X] Cannot brain, must sleep. Thank Nyarly for his help with that.
-[X] Lean more towards acceptance than refusal.
-[X] Be somewhat freaked out by his appearance and vague memories of his role.
A new thread will show itself upon posting.
If I read all of this right then Nyarlatothep wants to die. But he's doing this by trying to get Humanity to transcend out of being Humanity instead of killing them all/retunring them to apes/etc. So he's partially in-line with Pliemon's wishes this time around as well, excluding the Stay Human/Transcend Human argument they'd have going... I think?
That's kind of what I was thinking, but his words were worded very confusingly. Which is appropriate for the Crawling Chaos, I suppose.ShadowAngelBeta said:
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
No, he would want to die by whichever is faster. As "kill humanity" plans kinda failed he is on "transcend humanity" binge for a moment... which doesn't mean he wouldn't kill humanity in a moment if given chance - and probably would prefer it to be that way too.ShadowAngelBeta said:
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
Huh. Maybe he understands how bullshit Solars can get, then, if he's realized that transcending humanity is going to be more likely than killing them with us around.al103 said:
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
No, it's just his last two or three plans ended with him being sealed.Winged One said:
Yes, of course! It trolls humanity, make it worse for humanity AND ends it's existence! Of course Nyarly would approve!ticktrick said:
*ahem*
Just pulled an all night reading this thread in one go, and I've gotta couple things to say in the process:
Firstly, Baugn, you've got a fantastic grasp of the core material.
And nowhere is that more apparent than your treatment of Nyarl.
Here's the question, people, that infodump on the last page, do you recall that absolutely massive hint about everyone's favorite manifestation of humanity's evil's M.O.?
Baugn has dropped a bunch of hints so far.
Nyarl's picked up on your importance even before Igor and Lucy got a chance to drag you into the Velvet Room. Hence why the dreamscape was the girl wandering around before encountering the limo.
Now then: A thing about Nyarl's nature that some of you are scraping at but don't seem to grasp. The destruction of humanity, the returning of nothingness, it's very similar to the White's motivations, in that it's rooted in abject despair. It's not so much that Nyarl chooses to despair over his lot in life, but as the sum total of humanity's negativity and essentially being composed of a great deal of it and its root causes, despair is pretty much something that defines the guy.
Killing Kagatsuchi, erasing humanity, etc etc, these are all acts of desperation. An escape. Yes, he's not being completely honest with you, but there's something of a difference between Nyarl, and say, Luci. Nyarl is very much human, whereas Luci is not. Luci manipulates so well by virtue of him being Lucifer fucking Morningstar. Nyarl manipulates due to being intimately familiar with humanity, and ergo, knowing exactly what strings to pull to get the desired result.
He's a faceless horror, a shapeless horror, and takes on whatever....mask...is best suited for his situation. His empathy is real, it's merely...directed. For example, so attempting to rely on deception checks (if there is such a thing in Exalted) is doomed to failure. With Luci, you can tell that he's lying to you, simply because he's so fundamentally disconnected to humanity, that he can't really mask his deception behind human emotions. He certainly knows how to phrase and word things so that way, consciously, you'll nod your head and understand that, but a supernatural lie detector would be able to distinguish sincerity from deception.
That is not the case with Nyarl. He can lie straight to your face, simply by taking on an aspect of himself where what he's saying is entirely legitimate, straightforward, and sincere.
Luci really is an ally, all things considered. You can trust him, since it's possible to distinguish between when he's bullshitting you and when he's not. Nyarl is not. Because you simply never can know.
What makes this most interesting is the fact that...Nyarl is already here. Baugn's really done such a great job with the character. I'm impressed.
The Kira Yoshikage treatment simply never gets old.
Just pulled an all night reading this thread in one go, and I've gotta couple things to say in the process:
Firstly, Baugn, you've got a fantastic grasp of the core material.
And nowhere is that more apparent than your treatment of Nyarl.
Here's the question, people, that infodump on the last page, do you recall that absolutely massive hint about everyone's favorite manifestation of humanity's evil's M.O.?
Baugn has dropped a bunch of hints so far.
Nyarl's picked up on your importance even before Igor and Lucy got a chance to drag you into the Velvet Room. Hence why the dreamscape was the girl wandering around before encountering the limo.
Now then: A thing about Nyarl's nature that some of you are scraping at but don't seem to grasp. The destruction of humanity, the returning of nothingness, it's very similar to the White's motivations, in that it's rooted in abject despair. It's not so much that Nyarl chooses to despair over his lot in life, but as the sum total of humanity's negativity and essentially being composed of a great deal of it and its root causes, despair is pretty much something that defines the guy.
Killing Kagatsuchi, erasing humanity, etc etc, these are all acts of desperation. An escape. Yes, he's not being completely honest with you, but there's something of a difference between Nyarl, and say, Luci. Nyarl is very much human, whereas Luci is not. Luci manipulates so well by virtue of him being Lucifer fucking Morningstar. Nyarl manipulates due to being intimately familiar with humanity, and ergo, knowing exactly what strings to pull to get the desired result.
He's a faceless horror, a shapeless horror, and takes on whatever....mask...is best suited for his situation. His empathy is real, it's merely...directed. For example, so attempting to rely on deception checks (if there is such a thing in Exalted) is doomed to failure. With Luci, you can tell that he's lying to you, simply because he's so fundamentally disconnected to humanity, that he can't really mask his deception behind human emotions. He certainly knows how to phrase and word things so that way, consciously, you'll nod your head and understand that, but a supernatural lie detector would be able to distinguish sincerity from deception.
That is not the case with Nyarl. He can lie straight to your face, simply by taking on an aspect of himself where what he's saying is entirely legitimate, straightforward, and sincere.
Luci really is an ally, all things considered. You can trust him, since it's possible to distinguish between when he's bullshitting you and when he's not. Nyarl is not. Because you simply never can know.
What makes this most interesting is the fact that...Nyarl is already here. Baugn's really done such a great job with the character. I'm impressed.
The Kira Yoshikage treatment simply never gets old.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
...holy crap. You're saying that he's having bits of himself be completely sincere so the whole can mislead us?
So, what you're saying is that Nyarly basically is the Ebon Dragon. Hell, maybe he actually, literally is TEDie, or a fragment of him that escaped the destruction of everything else and embedded itself in humanity's subconscious (in a comfortable spot, near all the unpleasant bits) for shelter.TehChron said:
Don't know shit about Exalted, frankly.
But I've got a fairly good grasp of SMT
And no, Nyarl is totally unrelated to whatever the Ebon Dragon is, except for maybe similarity in concepts. He's...a shadow of humanity's subconscious. The opposite of Philemon in many ways.
Nyarl's childishness and willingness to bend or break the rules on a whim is a stark contrast to, say, Philemon taking everything super serious and being above board whenever possible.
Philemon is basically the parent in the relationship. Only willing to step in when shit ABSOLUTELY HITS THE DAMN FAN because no one else could. Not out of laziness, but because he has an obligation to step in where humanity fails.
Philemon wishes for humanity to transcend, whereas Nyarl just wants to make it stop. However, since they're both equals, relatively, neither can get what they want so long as the other actively cockblocks them. Philemon is fine with letting things play out, so long as things don't end absolutely fucking horribly barring his intervention. Whereas Nyarl is petty and immature enough that he has to simply have everything go his way, and thus, interferes on a regular basis in order to satiate his childishness need to control.
He's the impulsiveness to Philemon's rationality, for example.
And Winged One.
Yes.
But I've got a fairly good grasp of SMT
And no, Nyarl is totally unrelated to whatever the Ebon Dragon is, except for maybe similarity in concepts. He's...a shadow of humanity's subconscious. The opposite of Philemon in many ways.
Nyarl's childishness and willingness to bend or break the rules on a whim is a stark contrast to, say, Philemon taking everything super serious and being above board whenever possible.
Philemon is basically the parent in the relationship. Only willing to step in when shit ABSOLUTELY HITS THE DAMN FAN because no one else could. Not out of laziness, but because he has an obligation to step in where humanity fails.
Philemon wishes for humanity to transcend, whereas Nyarl just wants to make it stop. However, since they're both equals, relatively, neither can get what they want so long as the other actively cockblocks them. Philemon is fine with letting things play out, so long as things don't end absolutely fucking horribly barring his intervention. Whereas Nyarl is petty and immature enough that he has to simply have everything go his way, and thus, interferes on a regular basis in order to satiate his childishness need to control.
He's the impulsiveness to Philemon's rationality, for example.
And Winged One.
Yes.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
- Location
- Dublin
Ah, so close.Winged One said:
Oh, I seeBaughn said:
So he is being sincere
Just not in a way that makes sense to us. Basically insane troll logic?
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
Alright, so I do understand what you're saying.
The Ebon Dragon is nowhere near as related to humanity as SMT's Nyarlathotep is - he's the best at understanding us of the kind of creature he is (except that one guy who installed a cybernetic implant to help with it) due to being insanely petty, but that's it. The kind of thing he is does have a lot of discrete parts, any of which can disagree with each other or even the whole on any number of issues. So he could trick one of his bits (known as demons in Exalted, but that gets confusing) into thinking it was speaking for the whole on some issue or other, if he wanted to fool a Solar with a magical bullshit detector which goes ding when there's crap.
Anyway, he's the closest Exalted gets to pure evil, so he makes a decent meta for Nyarlathotep. He's been compared to Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep, though possibly only in my brain.
The Ebon Dragon is nowhere near as related to humanity as SMT's Nyarlathotep is - he's the best at understanding us of the kind of creature he is (except that one guy who installed a cybernetic implant to help with it) due to being insanely petty, but that's it. The kind of thing he is does have a lot of discrete parts, any of which can disagree with each other or even the whole on any number of issues. So he could trick one of his bits (known as demons in Exalted, but that gets confusing) into thinking it was speaking for the whole on some issue or other, if he wanted to fool a Solar with a magical bullshit detector which goes ding when there's crap.
Anyway, he's the closest Exalted gets to pure evil, so he makes a decent meta for Nyarlathotep. He's been compared to Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep, though possibly only in my brain.
It's not Midori's fault that Amu hasn't woken up the egg she tampered with yet.TehChron said: