[Exalted/SMT] Shard of a Broken Sun
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[X]cytokinesis
Baughn isn't so cruel to not take the discussed logic behind decisions in to account. So the compact form has its benefits. One can argue the details of each part still in any case.
On a slight side note, I realised I forgot to mention my logic on the Humpty Lock, from Shugo Chara we know it's an artefact that makes it possible to more easily merge with Chara, and in fully unlocked state even more so. Basically it thus should be reducing the willpower costs. Thus if one wants to use a combine tactic, then having Humpty Lock fully unlocked would reduce the amount of resources this course would take.
[X]cytokinesis
Baughn isn't so cruel to not take the discussed logic behind decisions in to account. So the compact form has its benefits. One can argue the details of each part still in any case.
On a slight side note, I realised I forgot to mention my logic on the Humpty Lock, from Shugo Chara we know it's an artefact that makes it possible to more easily merge with Chara, and in fully unlocked state even more so. Basically it thus should be reducing the willpower costs. Thus if one wants to use a combine tactic, then having Humpty Lock fully unlocked would reduce the amount of resources this course would take.
Baughn
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Exalted, indeed. Amu still can't necessarily jump in and fix things without first spending time figuring out what Fumi is doing - that's the regime of outright superhuman rolls, 11+, which would require channeling virtues or excellencies - but her understanding of Lore is broad enough that she can, by and large, be already assumed to understand anything less specialised than "This particular program".Cytokinesis said:
There'd still be a learning curve for a new programming language, it's just that it'd be measured in minutes.
That kind of "What the hell" level of skill is the primary hallmark of celestial exalts.
(For comparison, Fumi has 10 dice on programming and thaumaturgy rolls, but both of those are specialties. She only has two dots in her equivalent of Lore and Occult. She also has four in Conviction, which she can use. Very heroic mortal, but the population base of Earth is larger than Creation and Hotsuin spent a lot of time searching.)
Okay then, that's pretty damn good news. I've altered my wording so it's just having Miki help.Baughn said:
On that note, are we spending a lot of resources bringing the various Chara out? Veekie's addition of Ran to help keep spirits up is good if it's a negligible cost, but we might want to think about it further if bringing out each Chara will take a lot of resources. That's why I put in the qualification for Su, since it would be a shame to spend motes/willpower to bring her out then have her not be able to do anything.
Edit: Wait, can we use the Chara's for stuff like this? Would Miki even be able to program, or would we need Amu to do it herself?
Baughn
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Except for abilities granted to her by charms or excellencies, the charas' mental attributes and abilities are a superset of Amu's and will remain so. They can do anything she can do, often better. That's a basic part of their nature. Note that while Amu and Miki both have 4 Lore, Miki additionally has 5 intelligence and 3 wits.Cytokinesis said:
The same is not true for physical attributes, because fairy-sized.
I believe it should be possible, atleast in Shugo Chara you see the Chara do independent action at large distances from their Chara bearers at times. In fact via the Humpty Lock it was even seen that Amu could fuse with Chara from other people, now that I think about it. Though I'm not sure how wise it would be to make use of this feature at the moment... (It might be more expensive then her own Chara, probably would be considering they aren't her) Utau's angelic chara I believe has recovery capabilities how ever. Utau herself should be able to utilize that feature herself already though. Perhaps she can be convinced to use it on the various JP people? Not sure if that would reduce fatigue, but it's an angle worth considering.Cytokinesis said:
Okay, cool. We chose an interesting character, but I guess we're going to need all these advantages to succeedBaughn said:
One last question then.
Does anyone know how many Compassion channels we have left? If we have 3+ Veekie's suggestion is probably a good idea, but if it's only 1 we probably would want to save it for the moment of truth, and if it's 2 it's likely debatable.
Baughn
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Three, ATM; you used two during the attunement. I probably should make that explicit, considering that they don't regenerate as easily as willpower. (Phoenix Renewal Tactic might have helped, but is sadly ~impossible to get right now.)Cytokinesis said:Okay, cool. We chose an interesting character, but I guess we're going to need all these advantages to succeed
One last question then.
Does anyone know how many Compassion channels we have left? If we have 3+ Veekie's suggestion is probably a good idea, but if it's only 1 we probably would want to save it for the moment of truth, and if it's 2 it's likely debatable.
Edit: Guys, if you're reading this and agree with the write in, we could really use some votes. It's something like 3 to >10 right now, and it would be a shame to have all these good ideas lead to nothing due to them coming up a little too late.
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Ah, sorry for another question, but I'm a bit concerned about the vote closing. If my google search is correct, we only have two hours to gather up votes. I think not a lot of people are even up yet. Will the write in be discarded if we can't get enough votes till then?Baughn said:
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It also would have cost us two charms, and be way outside our integrity capability, meaning that we would have to make "sacrifices" to get it, which would be "fun". I think that's on our to-do list thoughBaughn said:
Baughn
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It's an interesting write-in. I'll postpone the decision as long as I can, and write other scenes instead. Looking outside the door post-conception, for instance; I need to read up on parabolic geometry, too.Cytokinesis said:
A handy trick is to add checkboxes under the virtue dots for how many of the channels have been used.Baughn said:
Hope some others will let us know what they think in awhile then.
Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic/advice that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Don't know enough about Exalted to really comment, but I imagine it's better than the default option. Don't like the bits about the Humpty Lock, as while Amu knows about it the Shrd wouldn't, but that's just semantic quibbling as it's easy enough to just have the Shard ask Amu about powerups along similar lines and have her bring it up.
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic/advice that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Don't know enough about Exalted to really comment, but I imagine it's better than the default option. Don't like the bits about the Humpty Lock, as while Amu knows about it the Shrd wouldn't, but that's just semantic quibbling as it's easy enough to just have the Shard ask Amu about powerups along similar lines and have her bring it up.
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Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Wait, so can our sisters have human sized bodies now? Or did I misread an update?
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Wait, so can our sisters have human sized bodies now? Or did I misread an update?
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[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Rereading through thread, and wow, I'm totally off in regards to the vote count. This write in is in the lead right now.
Anyway, Lilithium makes a good point. We may not want to use a Compassion channel if Miki is incapable of actually typing, since she is fairy sized.
If anyone spots an error, now is the time to speak up.
Anyway, Lilithium makes a good point. We may not want to use a Compassion channel if Miki is incapable of actually typing, since she is fairy sized.
If anyone spots an error, now is the time to speak up.
It's possible with the newest charm for the Chara which needed Essence 3 (Which she has now)Lilithium said:
It was voted not to use it right away though, as it was suspected that there were potential flaws in it that were dangerous. Including the recent effects seen with Amu, where she had internal shaping problems and it was speculated this charm would make that situation even worse.
True, anyway, I'm not sure Compassion channels are actually a thing the Exaltation could suggest. It may or may not be aware of them, but explaining the ins and outs of virtue channeling (which Amu probably doesn't understand) so that she can do it deliberately is possibly too time consuming right now when we have so many other things to do.HyperspatialParasite said:
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Cutest Sawk i could find. Lucario is a nice extra.
Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Miki can totally type, she only need to kick the keys to do it.Cytokinesis said:
The thought had occurred to me as well. Well, miniature keyboards do exist, though whether or not they'd have any on hand is another matter entirely.
Alternately, there is SEiAS, only using it on one Chara would keep the drain down, and Miki has her own Essence pool as backup if something odd happens. While part of me would still rather hold off, it does offer a solution and Amu might end up going for it on her own initiative.
Edit: The Shard told Amu to channel Compassion during the Samael fight, if memory serves.
Alternately, there is SEiAS, only using it on one Chara would keep the drain down, and Miki has her own Essence pool as backup if something odd happens. While part of me would still rather hold off, it does offer a solution and Amu might end up going for it on her own initiative.
Edit: The Shard told Amu to channel Compassion during the Samael fight, if memory serves.
Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Any reason why we should assume any of Amu's friends have magic?
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
Any reason why we should assume any of Amu's friends have magic?
I have no idea. I haven't read the series, so that's a really good point. We should remove that part entirely if they don't (since the Exaltation would know, I think).Varano said:
It detracts from the last minute resting period anyway, so it might be a bad idea altogether. I'm removing it on my own vote.
We're not controlling Amu, we're controlling the Shard. I'm saying we can suggest it to her, but that actually doing it is a bit different from her using a Charm or something.HyperspatialParasite said:
It encouraged her to use her Compassion to enhance her attack against the demon earlier.Cytokinesis said:
Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
They have Chara, which means they have Chara type magic. How that expresses varies quite a bit. But Utau for instance a small devil like chara and a Angelic like Chara. The second being capable of recovery magic to an extent I believe.Varano said:
How useful there magic can be is a question of course, but some might be useful. Utau might possibly be able to alleviate fatigue some what as an example.
Goldenlima
Statistical Anomaly
Amu
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.
[X]Ask the experts what Kagatsuchi's most likely avenue of attack is, then have the Exaltation develop a charm to combat that.
[X]Gently investigate the new Chara
[X]Try to get the key to the Humpty Lock to improve her abilities with Chara
[X]Socialize to reduce stress, but also ask if any of her friends have magic that could help
[X]At conception, fuse with all of her Chara to gain the greatest possible result if it wouldn't stress willpower reserves too much.
-[X] Otherwise, fuse with Dia if possible, or another Chara if not.
Charas
[X]Have Su alleviate fatigue, if she can think of a way.
[X]Have Miki assist Fumi with programming.
-[X] Use a Compassion channel on the programming if possible
[X]Have Ran keep track of friends efforts and generally keeping spirits up.
Exaltation
[X] Devise a charm based on the experts' knowledge of hazards
-[X] If experts cannot agree, or if experts are unavailable, fall back to hacking together a single-use charm to extend Integrity-Protecting Prana to the seal.