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[Exalted, ?] Most High

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Mm, I'm surprised Finish It is so popular! I thought this would be quite heavily contested, as plans the likes of Ozymandias' are pretty thoroughly disliked in most quarters. I mean, he literally did the same thing with Dr. Manhattan as Odyssial's plan is doing here!
 
Anasurimbor said:
Now we see the full measure of the costs that Rihaku hinted about earlier. The true hubris of this plan. Did anyone think that one of the Sun's masterpiece could be replicated cheaply? Without great sacrifice? The only difference is that where the Sun lessened himself Odyssial would instead sacrifice others.

What if, for all her newfound power and limitless potential, Moon is killed? What then will come of this sacrifice? She may have the potential of a Solar, but they die all the time. She will need months to years of intensive training to reach towards Ulyssian's level.

[X] This is Madness
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If it happens it happens and it won't matter if she does or doesn't get powered up (even if we're going to do everything possible to avert that) so pussying out is stupid and deprives us of all the GOOD knock-on effects it will have as well as causing soul damage and a possible totality mode and the same number of people who would have died in the flood/Fae invasion die in the conflicts between the Realm and the Anathema so let's just finish it.

Rihaku said:
Mm, I'm surprised Finish It is so popular! I thought this would be quite heavily contested, as plans the likes of Ozymandias' are pretty thoroughly disliked in most quarters. I mean, he literally did the same thing with Dr. Manhattan as Odyssial's plan is doing here!
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Eh Ozymandias was an asshole who setup his former friends to be assassinated (at least Comedian anyway) and his plan was completely unnecessary since the US and USSR were going to make peace anyway we're WAY better :D
 
[X] Finish It - Ceaselessly seek advantage. Do you think you can afford to be soft, now that you are a Solar Exalt? Do not forget how weak you still are. Odyssial was so mighty that your current strength would be nothing but a speck in his eye, and yet he failed, he fell. If you surrender the essence of yourself, if you turn away from the way that was found, then you do not deserve to be the Lord Strategos. The Lord Strategos is not chosen because he is the most righteous of the Exalted. Nor because he is the most personable, or the most philosophically venerable. He is chosen because he wins. Always.
 
Rihaku said:
Mm, I'm surprised Finish It is so popular! I thought this would be quite heavily contested, as plans the likes of Ozymandias' are pretty thoroughly disliked in most quarters. I mean, he literally did the same thing with Dr. Manhattan as Odyssial's plan is doing here!
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Ozz wouldn't bother with option though, it would have been done 2 updates ago or in an interlude
 
Anasurimbor said:
Now we see the full measure of the costs that Rihaku hinted about earlier.
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Yes, this is the true terror of Odyssial's callousness: sometimes his intervention will cause the same number of people to die as him not intervening, and he'll simply get a much better corpse:saving-Creation rate out of the dead.

Seriously, the option is "X people die, Moon gets a super boost, we are better suited to plan around the deaths" vs "X people die, Creation keeps on disintegrating, and now Odyssial tries to eat our mind and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL whenever we Limit Break".
 
There is ruthlessness and then there is mustache twirling supervillainy. Also, if I remember correctly, Ozymandias just killed a lot of people, he didn't fuck up the world climate for decades to solve a few problems and empower his love interest

[X] This is Madness
 
[X] Finish It - Ceaselessly seek advantage. Do you think you can afford to be soft, now that you are a Solar Exalt? Do not forget how weak you still are. Odyssial was so mighty that your current strength would be nothing but a speck in his eye, and yet he failed, he fell. If you surrender the essence of yourself, if you turn away from the way that was found, then you do not deserve to be the Lord Strategos. The Lord Strategos is not chosen because he is the most righteous of the Exalted. Nor because he is the most personable, or the most philosophically venerable. He is chosen because he wins. Always.
 
[X] Finish It

We chose to embrace the limit break that Odyssial had, but the arguments of others removed the edge. This is just the ruthlessness the limit break demands, and honestly, I'm tired of all the quests I've been to where people keep white knighting.
 
[X] Finish It

Let's do this thing! Shut up and multiply: if this saves more lives in the long run, we should take this path, so long as we are sure it will. And since we're directing it, we are very sure.
 
Question: How noticeable is it immediately? What are the chances that someone would identify us as the one who broke all of creation?

Unless everyone unites against us immediately though,
[X] Finish It
 
[X] This is Madness
Ruthlessness failed before because we didn't have enough people willing to stand at our side and of those who did none was there for monster we became but for hero we were before our hubris and stupidity took control. We already wasted chance to mitigate one of Odyssial's mistakes, lets not charge blindly into new product of his boundless arogance and make horrible mistake of our own.
We Exalted to for first fight Titans, from our rage an unwillingness to accept being nothing but dust and fleeing amusement to alien horrors that ruled world, to avenge our family and make sure that such tragedies won't repeat themselves, when we Wxalted for second time we did it to defend what we held dear, defiant of "might makes right" rules governing creation. Now going with this plan will be nothing else than spitting on it. We'll be just like twisted mockery of what we were, just like we became in previous life.
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
Or we go with your option and Odyssial eats us next time we Limit Break, and then we are exactly who we were in our previous life.
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Oh and don't forget how one of his defining intimacies gets randomly actived?

So we could end up with Hatred of Primordials which will make working with Nilul and Lily a lot harder as well as any other exalted affected by them.
 
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1986ctcel said:
You DO realize that's a game over right?
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Only if he fully and permanently emerges, which seems unlikely at this point given that Ulyssian's considerable personal power and the power of his allies will give him little need to depend on Odyssial outside of truly extraordinary circumstances.

Diller said:
Oh and don't forget how one of his defining intimacies gets randomly actived?
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We can stunt which one gets activated.

So we could end up with Lea and start to miss and ache for her as she would be the most important person in our life now which might make Uly more prone to leaving Luseng or getting Hatred of Primordials which will make working with Nilul and Lily a lot harder as well as any other exalted affected by them.
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Hatred of the Titans will cause complications, but you overstate how much. It's unlikely to affect our relationship with Nilul, as she is very opposed to her father. Lily is more complicated, but I think the conflicting feelings would be interesting. For all that she draws on their power, she is not one of the Titans. The result depends very much on how the intimacy is interpreted.
 
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