Even Further Beyond [Complete]

Agreed with Orm.

Whether or not you agree with his approach, Nameless's power is one built off the backs of Ages long past. Our opposition to the Fates has become more than just a tool to save our lives; it has become a philosophical disagreement with their entire approach. From the Diagram to the Cultivators, we have seen how the Fates love to design flawed systems and to subsequently destroy them and people of such a system for being "flawed." Moreover, they have done this for countless eons, dozens or even hundreds of Ages discarded in the dirt, all evidence of their existence wiped out.

With all these Ages, it is impossible to simply say that each Age is stronger than the last. Rather, given the monikers of Age of Truth and Age of Might, each Age had a theme, a field where it shined above all others, and it is no less than our duty to exploit these strengths. Zang Kong is no archaeologist--he will know nothing of the powers Fate has so desperately tried to erase. If Scientific Cultivation is the exploitation of hundreds of Ages of interactions despite knowing nearly nothing about such Ages, how much more potent could we be if we went directly to the source and added the strengths of these Ages to ours? We could be better at Scientific Cultivation than Zong Kang was.

EDIT: If anyone else is interested in the trade Embar just conducted, I'm also open.
Alas, I switched my vote for no trade a while ago, though the Tomb is the choice I care about more.
 
As I don't want to be forced to take a combat Vault(and Rihaku said it would be needed if we're to dungeon dive) as soon as it looks like Tomb is winning I'll switch to Palimpsest.

Edit: By the way, until I spellchecked I didn't realize "Palimpsest" was a real word. So cudos to Rihaku there.
 
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As I don't want to be forced to take a combat Vault(and Rihaku said it would be needed if we're to dungeon dive) as soon as it looks like Tomb is winning I'll switch to Palimpsest.

Edit: By the way, until I spellchecked I didn't realize "Palimpsest" was a real word. So cudos to Rihaku there.
Why not switch now, and get an extra vote for tomb by swapping with @Corripere ?
 
As I don't want to be forced to take a combat Vault(and Rihaku said it would be needed if we're to dungeon dive) as soon as it looks like Tomb is winning I'll switch to Palimpsest.

Most people are gunning for Monster Vault, including me. We don't need a combat Vault for the Tomb, as we still have "Fate and Phylactery" on our side as backups. It just might be helpful. At this stage, I think we should be ambitious and try to reach for both the Vault and the Cultivation Multipliers inside the Tomb and just tank the risk. Whatever risk we find inside is nothing compared to the chance Zang Kong murders us in 5 years.

So, if we go Tomb, I expect the original objective of Monster Vault to still carry us to victory given that we have quite a bit of a safety net with Fate's dice roll bonuses as well as the ability to respawn if we happen to die.
Why not switch now, and get an extra vote for tomb by swapping with @Corripere ?

That opens me up to people threatening to switch in order to alter my votes. I'm not going down that rabbit hole. If people are going to switch with me, it better be a fair deal.
 
So wait, if Suizhen is in Reality Forming... what's her Dao?

(Also, what exactly is meant by 'combat Vault'?)
 
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As I don't want to be forced to take a combat Vault(and Rihaku said it would be needed if we're to dungeon dive) as soon as it looks like Tomb is winning I'll switch to Palimpsest.

Edit: By the way, until I spellchecked I didn't realize "Palimpsest" was a real word. So cudos to Rihaku there.
Combat Vault can be worked into certain designs at cost of FBing the Vault. Meanwhile, if we do take Flesh Diagram, we have to take modest power offered by War form, forgoing benefits of Elder Beast multipliers and having to be big ass monster.
So wait, if Suizhen is in Reality Forming... what's her Dao?

(Also, what is meant by 'combat Vault'?)
High Access/Security/Sign built which allows use of offensive portals so we can redirect projectiles and such.
 
Hmm.

Endless Progress
Endless Civilization
Perfected City
Endless Advancement
Infinite Creation
 
Hmm.

Endless Progress
Endless Civilization
Perfected City
Endless Advancement
Infinite Creation

I'm still partial to Everdistant Utopia, reflecting the human desire to forever progress their society but never quite reaching perfection. Endless growth and human trappings. It also works nicely with Philosopher-King, given the objective of one is a utopia.
Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on Apr 9, 2018 at 3:02 PM, finished with 817 posts and 79 votes.
 
I'm still partial to Everdistant Utopia, reflecting the human desire to forever progress their society but never quite reaching perfection. Endless growth and human trappings. It also works nicely with Philosopher-King, given the objective of one is a utopia.
I'm certainly think a Dao related to Civilization would simultaneously fit Nameless very well and have Titan IV potential. After all, a Kadershev IV civilization can eventually be achieved by Humanity with sufficient time.

We'll finish it long before Seram's Curse of Indenture finishes, even!
 
In fact
This Grand Diagram, when inscribed on the flesh, slowly (~weeks) rewrites the caster's genetic code according to a template input at the time of casting. Some examples:
In order to get Form of Warmain, we need to first research form and then let spell transforms over the course of weeks.

So yeah, Flesh Diagram is very much not the choice if you are overly worried over our safety in Tomb. Protector could have been, but alas.
 
Is there any hope for a collective vote-switch to Iron-Man Golem? We can even have 2 Reality effects at once--one from the Golem, and one from our Dao! Heavy Counter and Spatial Warping, just to name an annoying combination. The enemy's esoteric effects are broken, while ours are still fully in play.
 
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Is there any hope for a collective vote-switch to Iron-Man Golem? We can even have 2 Reality effects at once--one from the Golem, and one from our Dao! Heavy Counter and Spatial Warping, just to name an annoying combination. The enemy's esoteric effects are broken, while ours are still fully in play.
You would need... about 20 voters, evenly split between the other two options, to stand a decent chance at success.
 
Screw it:

[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh

[] Elvegekere's Protector
*sigh* may dilute argument power

I'm just going to tack this on. No risk if it doesn't work out, but all the gain if it does. Hopefully people will join me, so I'm not the only voter tacking on this option? There's no risk to it, anyways...
Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on Apr 9, 2018 at 1:21 PM, finished with 801 posts and 79 votes.
 
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[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Palimpsest of the Nameless One
[X] Elvegekere's Protector


I normally hate doing this, but it's true that getting a god damn Stand loaded with Counter Effects while we do something esoteric would be a frightening combination.
 
Screw it:

[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh
[X] Elvegekere's Protector


I'm just going to tack this on. No risk if it doesn't work out, but all the gain if it does. Hopefully people will join me, so I'm not the only voter tacking on this option? There's no risk to it, anyways...
It's possible it dilutes your argument power?
On the one hand, Fate likely conspired to have her pick most anti-Kong Dao she could get.


On the other, Splitting the Sky doesn't sound like something that would actually do anything, y know.

Ah, but perhaps you're only thinking of failures to split the sky!
 
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Hm... a significant amount of argument power has switched over to Palimpsest. Journey to the West and Tomb are very close as well. However, if Palimpsest wins then you run into the same problem as with Vault - you can only choose one of the three Forms. Which will it be? Balance, Elder Beast or Warmain?
 
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