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Even Further Beyond [Complete]

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Rihaku said:
Guys, are you sure about this? I glossed over it a bit in the description, but you will be inflicting tortures on the Fates that are truly beyond the pale. Their capacity to suffer is far greater than a mortal mind's or even a mortal world's. The majority of the experiential content of your post-victory reality will be suffering. The very worst tortures of humankind (including the really bad ones) would pale in comparison.

And yes, they are assholes, conceited, arrogant, and casually cruel to their lessors, creatures so utterly corrupted by power as to have virtually no redeeming features. But do they truly deserve the level of suffering that a 5000-year-old lich fixated solely on hatred would inflict?

Yeah, you did promise Baenlixnaire that you'd avenge him, but you didn't specify what that entailed. There's no need to live up to his standard of vengeance just to consider your charge fulfilled.
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They certainly don't deserve it, given there's an option that almost certainly tracks with what we would intuitively say they deserve.

But Lix is cool, and they suck, and also 7 BP may the difference between a bad end and a good end. So they get to suffer unimaginable hells in return for helping create the universe Nameless prefers.
 
[x] Justice

Ugh, after some thought, Vengeance might not be good for Nameless himself mentally in the long term. They are not worth this much effort. So let's go for something lesser.
 
Rihaku said:
No "bad end" is likely given your power and versatility. The BPs won't make a difference of that scale, it's smaller details.
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Fair! Still, it could be the difference between getting one more gratuitous EFB Epilogue or not, and is there really anything which isn't worth sacrificing for that?

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Aoinfinity said:
Didn't Annihilation win? Or did argument push Negotiation up from behind?
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IIRC everything was all tied up, so Orm's EFB omake-power decided the vote, and Orm voted for Negotiation.
 
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Rihaku said:
Guys, are you sure about this? I glossed over it a bit in the description, but you will be inflicting tortures on the Fates that are truly beyond the pale. Their capacity to suffer is far greater than a mortal mind's or even a mortal world's. The majority of the experiential content of your post-victory reality will be suffering. The very worst tortures of humankind (including the really bad ones) would pale in comparison.

And yes, they are assholes, conceited, arrogant, and casually cruel to their lessors, creatures so utterly corrupted by power as to have virtually no redeeming features. But do they truly deserve the level of suffering that a 5000-year-old lich fixated solely on hatred would inflict?

Yeah, you did promise Baenlixnaire that you'd avenge him, but you didn't specify what that entailed. There's no need to live up to his standard of vengeance just to consider your charge fulfilled.
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Even if we were to somehow overturn a cornerstone of Nameless' character, the beyond points alone would aid us in making reality the paradise Tyranshal never dared dream of. We can please two liches with one stone! That the world to come would be built on the suffering of the entities who tormented the previous one just makes it more congruent with the gothic-horror aesthetic of a world run by our nigh-omnipotent vampire childer.

Honestly, if the epilogue doesn't contain us fist-bumping skeledad, then what has it all been for, really? Nameless' flesh and blood father has proven to be a disappointment; bone and hate is a much better combination.
 
How did I not think of the term 'Blood Elf'? It makes perfect sense! I should have seen that coming.

Also, Rihaku, considering our loss-condition evaporates regardless of our choice, and thus we aren't contract-bound to prevent all the kingdoms from ending (or transformation so utterly as to be considered merely a successor state), what are the odds that the passing of the Age of Might (perhaps with the death of Kong Zang or the Emperor, assuming that introduction of Blood Elves, undiminishment, etc. are enough of a shake-up to elf-kind to make them count as different) happens? And if it is, what are the odds that the following age would be the Age of Blood, as some speculated earlier during the voting?
 
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If you kill the Fates or torment them into incoherence then Ages aren't even a thing anymore.

Assuming the Fates are still alive and coherent (Justice), probably the Age of Whatever the Fuck Nameless Wants.
 
[X] Vengeance


No matter the cost we promise that.


I actually want mercy but we promise our mentor.Yeah,our mentor is not a nice man but he actually give up his hate every lasting for vengeance.


Let's give him vengeance for the favor that he abandon his hate.
 
[X] Vengeance

I want Mercy, but a promise is a promise. Unless you guys really want to scam our mentor, but I think that'd just be ghoulish overkill at this point.
 
Hmm. Another reason I want Justice is to finally see how our supposed Nemesis is like.
 
Fair. We can call it the Era of Blood. Or maybe Eon. We can workshop that later.

Unrelated to the vote, I feel compelled to say that god damn that was a good update. It was all prep, and I'm hopeful for a little bit of action in the last update, but the feeling of anticipating, the satisfaction of seeing the vote completed, of seeing some of our ideas come to fruition, to see all of the characters banter again. It's really wonderful.

Also, wow! An ending. I feel like it's been ages since we'd gotten a, like, ending-ending.
 
[X] Justice

It's the most practical option, and frankly I haven't the stomach for eternal torture when other options are on the table. I don't agree that inflicting cruelty is a cornerstone of Nameless' character - any suffering caused by him is only ever really a side effect of his selfishness, whether by seeking personal gain or hedonism. We get slaves to make an eternal Age of whatever we want! That's way better than a few stupid jewels.

Besides, what would Aurelia think?
 
Rihaku said:
*They will be broken and face suffering equivalent to Baenlixnaire's wildest dreams.
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Equivalence. What is this pleb shit? I thought we were gonna make Bane daddy proud, not just read 'em the riot act and then let 'em off with incalculable escalations of torment!

[X] Justice
If we can't do this right, we may as well own up and just make them wander the lands as mummified Sages or some shit forever. That's what they did to our Diagram boys, that's what they get.
 
Honestly, it would be pretty weird for Nameless to go Full Vengeance, so much torturing sounds like actual Work!
 
Orm Embar said:
Can I just say it's amusing that this isn't beyond his wildest dreams? Clearly our mentor does not suffer from a failure of imagination.
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Pretty hard to beat infinite, unbearable torture!

Rihaku said:
If you kill the Fates or torment them into incoherence then Ages aren't even a thing anymore.

Assuming the Fates are still alive and coherent (Justice), probably the Age of Whatever the Fuck Nameless Wants.
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I'm so torn.

On the one hand, tormenting them into incoherence would be what Baenlixnaire would've wanted.

On the other hand, how are we supposed to gloat if they aren't coherent enough to understand it? The ability to generate arbitrary Ages is just icing on that particular cake.

[X] Justice

In memory of Priest.
 
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Also, just for the sake of truly capturing the essence of this quest, we should try and turn this vote into one of the most BP-productive votes in the game, all to get the absolute best Golden Ending (at least, out of those achievable from our current position).
 
[X] Justice

Because, well, it's justice. The Fates get what they deserve. (and remain vaguely useful)

More importantly, Nameless is now basically God. Having the world ruled by a just - if lazy - god, rather than a cruel tyrant, is the best outcome.

Justice: one Lich is mildly discomforted by his dreams not coming true exactly the way he wants them to.

Vengeance: uncountable trillions of people have to live under an unstoppable ruler who is capable of boundless cruelty for petty reasons.
 
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