Even Further Beyond [Complete]

If, if we decide to negotiate, here's what I imagine Nameless might decide to demand.

  • Kong Zang's eternal vigilance and protection of the Empire, no matter what it might cost him
  • Folding up the Overgrowth and sticking it somewhere it won't affect civilians. Whether we do it with Diagram bullshit or somebody else's Dao, no longer shall his cocoon be a public order problem. That Nameless might come by and graze if he feels like it is the only reason he would not demand its outright destruction.
  • The Whole Goddamn Story. The Rise of Might, and the battle against Truth, all written out to be read by any in the position to wish to read it.
  • None of the universe. None of it. He will get to administer what Nameless decides to give him, and he'd damn well better do it properly.
  • Kiss Suizhen's feet and apologize. Because if she doesn't get to kill him, she sure as hell should get some closure out of it.
  • Kowtow and acknowledge Nameless as his/the Overlord, forevermore. No betrayals, no eventual usurpation. Always and forever loyal, no matter his nature.
And what Nameless would almost certainly offer.
  • KZ gets to complete his latest Ascension, free of any Fate fuckery or the fear of us coming in to stomp his ass into the ground. If in the future he discovers more ways to grow within himself, Nameless will also allow that.
 
It could be a beautiful tale of redemption and accepting that everyone has an unextinguishable spark of goodness in them that only waits for someone to help it burn anew

But let's be serious, TNO is an unapologetic gedontistic jerk with just enough positive drive to care about his friends, who are also his servants/followers

Not sure it's that kind of story, tbh

And morally speaking, murdering a trillion of people you have and can never interact with is still objectively wrong, but so is, well, almost everything happening in the setting

No one seems to enforce anything close to common decency, and TNO is actually somewhat glad about it, according to his monologues? Can't really be sure he's in that part of his character arc where he realizes that building a better world with rules in place that don't let gods do whatever they fucking please might be a worthwhile and laudable goal, and I'm not even sure his character arc even has that part?

Well, that's okay. We love you just the way you are, asshole.

[X] Annihilation
 
Has Rihaku mentioned what exactly Aurelia would do if Nameless decided to kill trillions to an infinite amount of people rather then negotiate? I know that KZ sends the elves as a whole into conniptions but for those in the thread who want to stay with Aurelia that might not be the best strategy. Personally I'm backing the sunken remains of the S.S Suizhen but it's something to consider.

Aurelia is as practical as elves get but she's also part of a species who would rather a billion elves willingly die then one innocent human baby unwillingly.
 
Prelude to Apocalypse
If only it was the good (?) Doctor we were waiting on, instead of the looming collision of schemes and titans that'll upend the world.
For seventy-seven days the Nameless One toiled, crafting a suit of armor as the world had never before seen. Deep in the fires of his man-cave he labored to forge a master-weapon, vessel by which Might itself could be imbued into a willing subject. Into this work he poured his sloth, his decadence, and his desire to procrastinate on all things...
Wouldn't it be convenient if we could literally purge undesirable character traits through Artifice, killing two birds with one stone? We'll have to be content with 'just' forging a Magnum Opus and living to use it.
The elevation of a loyal ally to a realm even higher than his own would justify his indolence even as it bound them to his cause utterly.

One suit to doom the Fates, one suit to find them, one suit to bring them all, in darkness forevermore confine them. In the land of his man-cave where the five-o' clock shadow lies...
After issuing so many Dooms of their own, turnabout is fair play, however novel the concept might be to them. Also, is this an answer to the question of whether Nameless has facial hair? They grow up so fast!
Nameless looked up from his anvil. "Stop narrating."

Aurelia pouted. "You didn't like my impression?"
It does undermine the gravity of the moment - spending the hard-won stolen fruits of our Cultivation to bring forth an avatar of Might - but I laughed. Nameless and Aurelia are surprisingly well-suited for each other.
"I should never have showed you those movies. The books were better."
At least Nameless has good taste. The movies weren't half bad either, though maybe that's different in a world with Mango instead of Apple. I assume we got them from the Rubric Hero's computer? It's really pulling its weight, between this and the Daoist literature on it. More relevant than its owner, who we haven't met!
"But they're adorable, just like me!" She struck a cutesy pose.

"You're not Galadriel," he said patiently. "For one thing, she's even older than you are."
Remarking on a lady's age? A bold strategy, even for the Overlord. Still, Aurelia and Nameless watching the Lord of the Rings is one those scenes that cries out for Addio to do it justice. Do the Fates look elsewhere for inspiration when spinning up a new Age, I wonder?
"Of course!" She exclaimed pertly. "That old hag can't hold a candle to me. I'm beautiful, wise, a natural genius & beloved by all!"
So basically Artanis in Valinor, before all the horrible life experiences and accompanying character development.
"At least Galadriel needed the Ring to go on an ego trip."

"Merely another point in my favor," She said haughtily, splaying fingers across her chest so that Majesty glinted in the forge-light.
If her ego's this inflated before she acquires the power to solo the world, just think how much better it'll be with the Battlesuit! Aurelia's clearly committed to meeting EFB's hubris quota.
"I see a few weeks without my undivided attention has driven you mad. Is it grief? Worry not, I'm almost finished."
Eleven weeks is more than a few, but it's good that the finish line is in sight.
"May I see?" She peeked tentatively over his shoulder. "I wonder what my Dao shall be..."
As an elven princess in magitech armor, clearly it's the Dao of Peak Shadowrun.
"Dao of ripping off Cate Blanchett?"
Why innovate when you can steal? It's worked for Nameless so far.
"Dao of making you a sandwich!" She crammed a sandwich into his mouth.
The surprise sandwich is shaping up to be an Aurelia classic.
"Dwao ofh Narchichissm." He methodically chewed and swallowed. Truth be told, it was extremely delicious.
We picked the wrong Diagrams of the Final Sign for it, but Truthsaying to proclaim the objective worth of a sandwich would be amusing.
"Dao of being a wonderful & loving wife, princess, and (eventual) mother!"
And here we can see another example of Aurelian modesty.
"...You don't need a Dao for that."
It's hard for him to stand and trade verbally with Aurelia, unless he cheats and starts offering affection... and Nameless is nothing if not an adept cheater.
Aurelia blushed. "Darling has been working too hard. Come here, I have a surprise for you..."

...Eventually, despite interminable distractions, the Nebula Battlesuit was finally completed.
A critical hit. Fortunately, Aurelia may have armor going forward.
Nameless gazed upon his magnum opus with no small satisfaction. Its thunderhead-grey surface was inscribed with tightly packed sigils of the Diagram, sharp menace apparent in every meticulously-calligraphed line and dot, and all but glowering with the blue of Truth, a subdual emanation more hum than glare. She who donned its mantle would be dystopia made flesh, the iron fist of his policy, her boot stomping on the face of the so-called Divines for all eternity.
A Magnum Opus deserves at least a paragraph of depiction, and this lives up to the hype. I'd honestly forgotten some of the more ominous, dystopian elements of the Battlesuit's themes, but none of the opuses on offer were sunshine and rainbows.
He was famished, his essence depleted, mind and marrow entombed by weariness. His hammer fell from nerveless fingers and was replaced by the Scepter in a tenuous grip. He made his way to the staging area where Suizhen had captured innumerable Titanic beasts in preparation for this day. Their cultivation bases would feed him, restore him to the fullness of his power, and he never intended to work so hard again.
The final rush to Immortal Awakening might demand more diligence, but the storm to come is more sprint than marathon. Also, good for Suizhen. It's surprising she's able to wrangle Titanic beasts without help, at least of the sort that would be more than drops in the bucket compared to the ocean of our power, but she's grown a lot.
While the elven empire had experienced a renaissance under an aegis of unimpeachable might, the Empire of his birth was spinning out of control like a top knocked free of its axis. The meandering pace of disintegration, once so leisurely as to be almost unnoticeable, had accelerated to a precarious rate. Instability visibly frayed the exterior seams of empire; Overgrowth, banditry, and inter-sect strife claimed lives without surcease, and yet Yong Shen did nothing. Like as not the Emperor welcomed death, and the people cried out for a savior.
Not unexpected, but still worrying to hear. I'm afraid that Yong Shen may die without ever appearing on screen; god only knows what Liefang is doing to him, not to mention the Empire itself. The state of the world is finally coming to resemble the opening narration.
One was forthcoming, but the Overlord would not countenance her rise.
Looks like Just Shoot Them is victorious, then.
If an empire's strength was its cultivators, then the Labyrinth had already been gutted. Zang Kong slumbered, Yong Shen was silent, and the Emperor was a hollow shell of a man. None could save the nation if it plummeted much further along its current course, and only the Emperor was obligated to try. There was the titan of the Sects blithely conquering her rivals, but Nameless had little idea of her disposition and a singular stage I Titan was not power enough to stand against the Fates.
Irrelevant at this point, when Nameless can create Titans from peasants with a flick of his Scepter, but it sounds like she's part of the problem rather than the solution. Might've been more relevant had we visited the Imperial Center. The Emperor being obligated to try by the constraints of the Labyrinth is interesting, but the Fates'll probably twist his efforts to sow more chaos through mismanagement. Hopefully he won't actually die yet. There's nobody strong enough to kill him, but the collateral would be inconvenient.
But he was not out of time yet. The Labyrinth Empire could, by virtue of its sheer enormous inertia, stumble on for two to three more years even if its collapse accelerated according to his worst estimates. The Dao Reserve of Yong would or would not move, but a Clan was more than its Dao Reserve. Even if the mountain stood still, to press against it was folly.
So we have some room to maneuver, unless the Fates have another card left to play. There's always the elven nation and the fragmentary empires overseas. Liefang being prodded into awakening Zang is the biggest concern, but the timetable of Just Shoot Them is much shorter, since we don't need to wait for the Heroine's awakening.
Nameless would not give the fates two years. He would not give the Heroine the chance to awaken with the nations of the world like punch-drunk servants toppled at her feet. One month to finish his preparations. One month to marshal all his powers, and then the forces of the Overlord would spring out from the West to bring earth and Heaven alike under his thrall.
One month is fast, apparently Immortal Awakening's closer than I thought. Sending Suizhen to the Celestial Realm with 'only' Stage 14.5 power might not end well.
He found Suizhen in the training yards, practicing as she so often did.
Maybe after we win she can get good at tea ceremonies and flower arrangement, things she enjoys.
"Sir!" She sprang over, alight with excitement. "Is it ready?"

He schooled his features into careful dejection. "Suizhen. I'm sorry... I failed. It was too hard. I gave up."
It's good that we're playing Nameless, because he'd be frustrating to interact act with.
She gasped, dumbstruck. "S-sir..." Her blade fell from listless hands.

But before it could strike the ground, she'd already recovered, steely determination flashing in her eyes.
The Eyes of Kong allow for exciting levels of literality when it comes to expressions like that.
"Don't worry Sir, I will just train even harder! Titanic Ascension isn't far. I'll reach however many stages it takes to protect you!"
That she still hasn't ascended to Titanhood hammers home how absurd Thrice-Great is, though it looks like twice as many Orbs went into building Nameless. Suizhen's got, what? Sign of the Sword and Cultivation? Bitter irony, if her talent's actually a carbon copy of Zang's. Or maybe I'm off-base and it's all that experimentation that's making her so ridiculous.
Nameless shook his head. "No, I truly have failed... in raising a bodyguard that can detect even the simplest of scams!"

He chortled, withdrawing the Nebula Battlesuit. "Behold, the solution to all our problems! Well, until someone tries to sell you a bridge..."
You can't sell the future Empress of Cultivators a bridge if she already owns them all!
Suizhen stamped the ground petulantly. "Sir, that is not fair! I have been improving, Sir knows it. I was just so worried about Sir!"
We took our sweet time forging the Battlesuit and came out looking pretty haggard. It's good that she cares, and Suizhen has improved by leaps and bounds. At the beginning of the quest, she was an unkempt wanderer too noble to sell her sword for the food she needed. Now she's headed for the top!
"And that is precisely when your enemies will strike," Nameless lectured. "Illusion and deception are two distinct things. Your eyes can pierce the former, but the latter relies on cunning alone."
Nameless being didactic's always nice, but this seems like he's priming her for the duel of the Fates.
"The latter relies on an open mouth," Suizhen declared confidently. "And my Sword shall solve that before they can utter a word. Speaking of which, who shall we strike first, Sir? Zang Kong, or the Heavens?"
Her own preference is clear from the order of the options. Maybe I spoke too soon about her having changed, because that's some murderhobo wisdom: kill them before they can present moral dilemmas.
Nameless pointed skyward. "I'd like to remove their interference as soon as possible. We also have to worry about people prematurely waking your Patriarch, which is why I'll be on alert as soon as you set off. Once my preparations are complete, I should be able to keep the Elven Kingdom alive even if he wipes out the rest of the world. Afterwards, we'll decide what to do with Zang Kong."
I'm kind of concerned about sending a Hero of the Age to deal with the same Fates that chose her, especially if they learned from their mistakes with Kong. What if Nameless isn't the only one with a killswitch? The previous passage makes me optimistic that they won't be able to turn Suizhen, but her Loyalty still hasn't capped out, unless the Battlesuit counts. Come to think of it, wasn't there a bonus once it hit 10?
Suizhen shifted uncomfortably. "Sir already knows my feelings on the matter."

"Yes," Nameless nodded. "I'm strongly inclined to let you cut him down. But the trillions dwelling within him are innocent, if they exist as he claims. I'd like to avoid obliterating them. There's no telling what will happen if we take out the sky over their heads. He was a hopeful idealist once. If rehabilitation is possible, I'd like to attempt it."
Willingness to kill him if it comes to that is useful in negotiations, since otherwise the Elder Beast of Reason has us over a barrel. But it's likely that his inner world is populated, given the hints we've gotten and the trajectory of his past self, so I'd like to at least try for negotiation. If the Dao of Ripping Off Cate Blanchett fails, then we can do what must be done. Hopefully him being forewarned won't be too severe a strategic disadvantage.
Suizhen smiled sadly. "Now who is the one being scammed? The Patriarch of my clan is an idealist still. He has simply discarded every part of himself that is not the ideal. How many has he murdered in pursuit of his goals? Did he show them the mercy that Sir now extends?"
And if Suizhen strikes down the multitudes in him without ever giving peace a chance, she will be more of a monster than he ever was. Zang himself illustrates that malice is not required to do great harm; indifference to the cost of achieving one's goals is more than adequate. Though, perhaps it's hypocritical to with one hand proclaim 'vengeance, no matter the cost' and with the other deny Suizhen hers...
Nameless nodded in resignation. "If his head is the price of your blade, then I won't stand in the way of your vengeance. Say the word and his life is forfeit."
Nameless already knows Suizhen will defer to him, so it's no skin off his back to give her the illusion of choice.
She pouted. "Without Sir the prospect of my vengeance would be an empty dream. If Sir asks it, I will of course defer to your judgement in this. How can there be things such as prices and favors between us?"
The relationship was initially based on remuneration!
"Ah, trying to get out of the money you owe me? Maybe you're not so hopeless after all..."

"As a bodyguard, I have to be a quick learner. It's because my boss is so lazy."
I do enjoy the snappy banter with Suizhen and Aurelia. It's a shame Xiaoling's been sidelined, but the Ming Reality Effects convert wealth into power if I recall correctly, so there's not much point expending limited wordcount on her. Unless she'd wind up with the Dao of the Green-Eyed Monster? Probably better to give that a miss.

1249 words. It's good to be back in the saddle, though this took longer than I'd like, even accounting for distractions.
 
[X] Annihilation

Just resurrect him at full power later if you feel so strongly about it. That is a thing we can do, y'know? We can literally resurrect the dead. It's not an issue. Once we're strong enough to do as we please(~Stage 18/19), we'll bring him back and dictate terms to him.

As for investments, any Diagram spells that give sustained +1 Stage Boosts. Maybe put the remaining two BP into mastering the combat aspects of the Necromancer?

*Practically speaking, mastery over its faculties of offense and defense enhances the Cultivator's Combat Strength by two full stages in addition to its innumerable utility applications.

That would be +4 Stages if possible, more than enough to comfortably win the game however we see fit.

Picking up the Incarnation of the Final Scion would be some dope shit though.
 
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Can we show Kong the same vision of the past that we saw? It should be fairly trivial seeing as we still have dude's eyes, we even have a spare set. Technically he should have access to that information the moment he cares to wake up and look, since he can peruse our memories through the interface. I'd like to see what kind of reaction he has to that, and build off of that for any hypothetical negotiation.

After the re-read I'm still strongly in favor of murderous revenge. Suizen and Nameless have never really attempted kindness or charity outside the bounds of people they were close to. Aurelia will understand and forgive Nameless, perhaps she'll even be moved to shift him towards kinder paths. It may be possible to restore lives lost with Necromancy. Ultimately, I'm inclined to take a hard stance against hypothetical hostages, particularly because I enjoy getting to play a monster in these things.

We've killed better people for worse reasons already, so let's not fret too much on this one. Just focus on making sure we can pull it off, then we can deal with the fates and pivot to actually helping our father rebuild the world.

[X] Annihilation
 
Just resurrect him at full power later if you feel so strongly about it. That is a thing we can do, y'know? We can literally resurrect the dead. It's not an issue. Once we're strong enough to do as we please(~Stage 18/19), we'll bring him back and dictate terms to him.

Hm... then Nameless would literally be able to do the same thing as Zang Kong!

"Intrepid hero, in the past I slew infinite multitudes. Once I attain ultimate power I shall resurrect them of course, but if you strike me down that will never come to pass!"

Can we show Kong the same vision of the past that we saw? It should be fairly trivial seeing as we still have dude's eyes, we even have a spare set. Technically he should have access to that information the moment he cares to wake up and look, since he can peruse our memories through the interface. I'd like to see what kind of reaction he has to that, and build off of that for any hypothetical negotiation.

The Elder Beast of Reason does not lack a perfect memory! He can show you exactly why and how every logical decision lead him to his current state - (claiming) infinite trillions shelter under his Endless Sky, immune to depredations of the Fates!

I do feel like you guys are letting Suizhen's opinions color your own a tad. What has Zang Kong actually done to you personally? Given you advice, tried to negotiate a reasonable settlement and warn you of the Fates' plans? Provided Overgrowth beasts which were essential to your rapid ascent? Cautioned you by serving as a living example of the risks of Titanic Daos? Once he could have slain you as easily as turning over his hand, and yet he chose the path of dialogue. And now you repay his sincerity with the threat of annihilation?

How very xianxia-protagonist of you. He has lived his path wholeheartedly, without regret or compromise. Can you say the same?
 
@Rihaku
The most important is how many beyond point our mentor vengeance if we kill Kong?


I will always choose the path of unlimited power.I bet Kong don't begrudge us if we choose optimal choice.:p
 
I do feel like you guys are letting Suizhen's opinions color your own a tad. What has Zang Kong actually done to you personally? Given you advice, tried to negotiate a reasonable settlement and warn you of the Fates' plans? Provided Overgrowth beasts which were essential to your rapid ascent? Cautioned you by serving as a living example of the risks of Titanic Daos? Once he could have slain you as easily as turning over his hand, and yet he chose the path of dialogue. And now you repay his sincerity with the threat of annihilation?
Failed to be elf-ruthless with a frankly amoral Nameless.
@Rihaku
The most important is how many beyond point our mentor vengeance if we kill Kong?


I will always choose the path of unlimited power.I bet Kong don't begrudge us if we choose optimal choice.:p
I would be more asking how much BP we get if/when we Kill the Fates.
 
[X] Negotiation

Nameless is not a saint, but neither is he an irredeemable monster for whom slaughter is a first resort. Among the strong and in the Xianxia genre especially, mercy is an eccentricity. But Nameless' journey so far has been an endless slew of exploits worthy of the Age of Might's Overlord, so let's be eccentric. What is the purpose of power, if not to liberate us from decisions such as this? Arguments contingent on the nonexistence of Zang's denizens seem willfully obtuse, when we have quotes like this hinting at their magnitude:
... is there even a noticeable difference between ruling a hundred billion people and ten billion?
As we have access to both the beginning of his path and its conclusion, we can easily see how it came to this. Suizhen's past is tragic, yes, but we can resurrect her parents far more easily than we could restore Zang to life. The ability to make the Elder Beast of Reason yield to reason with Aurelia's help is one of the Battlesuit's advantages, a benefit I'm eager to see realized. Why bother picking this fight when diplomacy could obviate it?
 
If we're willing to kill him and his multitudes anyway, then surely my negotiation plan is strictly superior? He can help us kill the Fates!

My plan before the Long Sleep was almost exactly this - forge a binding oath-artifact to take his Cultivation from him, teach him the Dao of All Paths (that we practice) and return all (or almost all) of his Cultivation to him, via whatever ability we had that could do that. This would both increase his overall Cultivation effectiveness (by being able to switch to whatever specific Dao would be most useful to cultivating at that specific moment) and offer unparalleled utility besides, while also "freeing" him to not intractably pursue his Cultivation at every moment, above all other concerns. His Cultivation progress would experience roughly a net no change overall, he'd be much more able to handle himself in various situations... and we wouldn't have to fight to the death.

@Rihaku are there any obvious flaws to this plan I haven't seen?
Just add a clause saying that he has to help us kill the Fates, easy. Comparatively speaking it's entirely superior to just killing him, except Suizhen gets to see the Elder Beast of Reason stop being that monster instead of his death. We can just rez her parents if we care about her Loyalty now she has the suit, no big deal.

[X] Negotiation
 
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[ ] Alvan's Crown of Tragedy (Grand) - Once, Dreadlord Alvaniphaul was a simple botanist and lover of nature. When his wife and children were slaughtered and his gardens burned, he became the legendary Fifth Scourge of the Diagram Realms. This, his most terrible creation, is still spoken of in fearful whispers by those who remember his reign of terror.

While Cultivators above Ego Barrier and Diagram Mages are resistant, any Cultivator without a Complete-level or greater Ego Barrier will feel enough residual effects to be rendered substantially less effective, even if they have attained a higher Stage. If the Caster is a Cultivator, upon physical contact with an enemy they may attempt to use their own Ego Barrier to beach the target's and inflict a much larger fraction of the Crown's effect, often to devastating results. Only the strength of the Ego Barrier and Soul Chrysalis stages are relevant to this contest, so the caster could become an extremely formidable opponent at only the peak of the Ego Barrier stage.

-[ ] Go Beyond [1 Beyond Point] - The caster is capable of inducing a wider range of emotions, including more neutral ones such as Pure Loyalty (does not warp the target's personality), on up to fifteentargets at once.
-[ ] Go Further Beyond [3 Beyond Points] - The caster's Ego Barrier is considered two stages higher for purposes of this effect. This stacks with any Beyond Point expenditures on the Ego Barrier stage, to a maximum of Infinite Absolute Ego Barriers. The caster can now modulate the degree of emotion projected.
-[ ] Go Even Further Beyond [10 Beyond Points] - The emotions induced by this spell are no longer considered magical or illusory. Should a victim be affected, their feelings will be altered as if through natural circumstance, unable to be reverted except through the same... the power of a true Dark Lord. The number of targets is effectively limitless, since there is no need to keep a victim under the effect after they've been subjected to it for a few seconds.

*With Beyond Points, absurdly powerful - enslave Cultivators many realms higher than you with a touch, so long as their Ego Barrier is inferior
Look, a thing!
 
Arguments contingent on the nonexistence of Zang's denizens seem willfully obtuse, when we have quotes like this hinting at their magnitude:
... is there even a noticeable difference between ruling a hundred billion people and ten billion?
Though I agree with the point you're trying to make, I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the depopulation of his sector of the empire due to the creation of the Overgrowth.
 
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Look, a thing!
Kong Zang is believed to have some access to Truth, which among other things is capable of granting Absolute Mental Defenses, which even EFB Crown does not bypass. It's quite likely then, IMO, that it would be less than effective against him.
 
Honestly. He's too dangerous to exist. I mean, so are WE, but are the overlord and thrice great. We are supposed to be bullshit and forcing our will upon them.

The cost of his death will be billions now and uncounted more if it is delayed. He has chosen to try and make himself simply to important to be killed. Fuck that.

The cost of our master's help was that we overthrow the fates and see both of us had revenge. The reward for Suizhen's service was to kill Kong and we will deliver it as promised.

One day we will sit at a height of power unmatched but unlike Kong we aren't threatening all of creation or made untold multitudes as hostages. Our inner universe was a single lich. You know what he wants? To laze about and have petty amusement from those around him. Not bully the world, not fix it, not destroy it, just keep things running pretty well so he can real reward for minimal work.

Eugh. I don't know how to phrase it. I want a world//multiverse free of the fates, of Kong, of cultivators and their tyranny. I don't think nameless would ever make that world but he'd at least bring us closer to it. A useless God, but one who won't destroy the world in the name of perfecting it.

God should stay in his heaven, for if he cannot accept his imperfect creation then he will surely destroy it.
 
Interesting, though even an EFB'd Crown of Tragedy requires contact. That might be tricky against the Endless Sky, who's got no end of spatial fuckery from his Dao.
I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the depopulation of his sector of the empire due to the creation of the Overgrowth.
Yes, with the implication that the death toll of the Overgrowth's creation is unnoticeable relative to the population of his Titanic universe.
 
Interesting, though even an EFB'd Crown of Tragedy requires contact. That might be tricky against the Endless Sky, who's got no end of spatial fuckery from his Dao.
I admit, I may be underestimating the power of Zang's dao, but I can't help but imagine that True Open the Way would be helpful in surmounting most spatial fuckery.
 
Not unexpected, but still worrying to hear. I'm afraid that Yong Shen may die without ever appearing on screen; god only knows what Liefang is doing to him, not to mention the Empire itself. The state of the world is finally coming to resemble the opening narration.

Yong Shen has appeared on screen! He was shown having a Senior Moment, unable to come up with a name for his grandson by Yong Liefang... thus he decreed that the boy be nameless forevermore. The word of a Titan is law!
 
[X] Negotiation
The way I see it, annihilation is an acceptance of the genre conventions, doing the same thing that has happened before but more. Negotiation is a rejection of those norms. Kong is a monster through negligence and an ends-justify-means mindset, not through malice. Annihilation means that we agree with his morality, allowing atrocities for our own convenience. It fits us as a character, but he offered us a chance at negotiation, and I think we should do the same to him.
 
[X] Negotiation

It's a bit hypocritical of me to jump on sweet vengeance and plead for staying in-character when I've previously advocated for playing the game, not roleplaying the dude. My main goal in Annihilation was just to make Suizhen happy anyway, and that's a bit too petty given the scales involved. Orm pointed out we can just bring her parents back to life, so there's no need to pursue grand drama.

Lastly, if it does become a fight then I'm sure we'll monologue at each other, earning the victorious party some sweet sweet overlord points.
 
I admit, I may be underestimating the power of Zang's dao, but I can't help but imagine that True Open the Way would be helpful in surmounting most spatial fuckery.
Neutralizing Zang's spatial Extrusion effects was listed as a benefit of Open the Way, it's true. If we went that route and his mental defenses didn't no-sell the Crown, I guess we'd have to ask ourselves the following: "Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha Zang Kong?"
 
[X] Negotiation

Kong is worth more to us alive as a combatant and researcher than as necromancer fodder. Kong would be better able to advance his goals while alive, ascendant, and in our good graces. We've got most of the cards on our side, and there's very little cost to negotiating.

Besides, murder is hard work
 
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