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Liefang thinks that he is merely a titan. The world thinks the same, post-Taishan.

If he deigns to actually interact with Yong's protectors he saved, they will know that he is stronger.
 
I honestly think that before Aurelia, when Nameless allowed himself to think of it amidst training and growing stronger, he probably wanted both of them - at least secretly.

I mean they are two attractive women (almost unnaturally so) who he was closest to - he has no other friends or other people he interacts with.

Though now with the marriage it's all in flux, for instance I can't imagine that Xiaoling would be happy settling in as "the second woman".
 
I am curious why Nameless think he will at mercy of Kong?

If we can wreck the Fate and drain their essence then I don't think Kong is in position to kill us.

Ofcourse Fate maybe get spite and try to damage our cultivation base or something.


But if we kick their ass first then our father or Heroine can not have those bullshit luck anymore.

The Heroine can not outscale Kong without our help.
 
Unelemental said:
Though we still have that little problem of not knowing what to do about the countless people inside Kong's Reality. What happens to a Cultivator's inner world when they're killed anyway? Maybe this is the origin of (at least some) Cultivation Realms.
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You could always try resurrecting them! But it might depend on how hard you kill Kong... or even if you decide to do so at all! It's certainly not impossible to convince Suizhen to abandon her vendetta.
 
Orm Embar said:
Still, there is danger here, as Nameless correctly apprehends. We know that the Fates were able to lead Liefang's agents to Kong's chrysalis, so they have influence within the Overgrowth, and we also know that our Emanation interfering with Kong's Cultivation can potentially wake him. Engineering an encounter is the obvious play on their part, especially since we (probably) don't have the ability to forge an Artifact to bind the Patriarch to a compact anymore, having spent that on Aurelia.

Not that the niche benefits of Fated Love resistance mean much now that we have True Incarnation and its axiomatic immunity to mental attacks, but I digress. Suizhen is also with us, making a showdown even more likely. The benefit to our Cultivation is nice, but this situation is in actuality quite precarious. Kong can trivially wipe out all the world's empires if pressed, and we have no means of limiting the battle to the Overgrowth.
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It's notable that if someone does wake Kong up, we'll be his best hope for advancement: even if his cultivation stalls, we can simply transfer essence to him. Even in the worst case (his Dao can't progress further without Ascendance), he could give us enough essence to go down to Dao Cleaving, pick a different Dao, and then have us transfer back basically all the essence.
 
Keep in mind that if his Cultivation goes down, his inner world is likely to degrade as well, with unforeseen consequences for whatever he keeps in there.

Of course, we do possess the capability to resurrect people, as mentioned by Rihaku, but... just how much Essence would that take? Even if it's a negligible amount for a single individual, that's a whole lot of victims to save, and with his death/degradation, the Overgrowth might collapse as well.

Ah well, it's all post-epilogue stuff anyway. We can always look for alternative sources of Essence once the Fates are dead - a Grand Essence Diagram combined with Artifice should do the trick.
 
Strange9 said:
It's notable that if someone does wake Kong up, we'll be his best hope for advancement: even if his cultivation stalls, we can simply transfer essence to him. Even in the worst case (his Dao can't progress further without Ascendance), he could give us enough essence to go down to Dao Cleaving, pick a different Dao, and then have us transfer back basically all the essence.
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But would he really be willing to give up his Dao? After all, he is already in its thrall!
 
Rihaku said:
But would he really be willing to give up his Dao? After all, he is already in its thrall!
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I think Aurelia can do this, since Majesty includes the capacity to make a Titan act outside their dao. Since she can remove Heroic Passions, I think she can similarly remove the influence of his Dao.

Kong's dao making him be amoral, plus the Elven race's natural animosity to Kong should make her hold back her charisma less than she did against Nameless.

If we can find a way to force Kong to listen and not just use MDV Fist or teleport elsewhere in the Overgrowth, it could be doable?
 
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Where would we even find the living space for all those people, assuming we can resurrect or rescue them? "The population of this outside world is not the slightest sliver of a speck of a drop within the ocean that resides in, and depends on, me," after all. The Overgrowth has obvious issues, even if it survives Kong's death, and may not be sufficient in any case. Aurelian diplomacy may be a better bet, and if we exceed his power to the point that his odds against us are poor, reason will force him to the negotiating table. The issue is that, for all our strength, we've still left him a backdoor, and we don't know how many effective Stages the Eyes are worth.
 
Orm Embar said:
Where would we even find the living space for all those people, assuming we can resurrect or rescue them? "The population of this outside world is not the slightest sliver of a speck of a drop within the ocean that resides in, and depends on, me," after all. The Overgrowth has obvious issues, even if it survives Kong's death, and may not be sufficient in any case.
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Good question. Maybe we can somehow bootstrap Suizhen up to Titan IV and have her take all those refugees in?
 
Orm Embar said:
Where would we even find the living space for all those people, assuming we can resurrect or rescue them? "The population of this outside world is not the slightest sliver of a speck of a drop within the ocean that resides in, and depends on, me," after all. The Overgrowth has obvious issues, even if it survives Kong's death, and may not be sufficient in any case.
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Since Essence can enhance and replicate the effects of normal Signs - including Space - I think that as an epilogue thing we could create and Artifact a Empire-Vault Essence Grand.

Something like 'Sanctuary of the Nameless One', or similar.
 
RedV said:
Since Essence can enhance and replicate the effects of normal Signs - including Space - I think that as an epilogue thing we could create and Artifact a Empire-Vault Essence Grand.

Something like 'Sanctuary of the Nameless One', or similar.
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Hopefully that works, I was just thinking it'd be bitterly amusing if the Extrusion that grants us the ability to resurrect them in the first place was mutually exclusive with the ability to house them.
 
@Rihaku what is Nameless equivalent in Titan stage?

I think we only count as actual Titan in cultivator after we consume the flower so we are currently at level of Titan Type I?

Kong is Titan IV so I guess Overgrown had a lot to offer us in cultivation progress.

I am interested in what scythe hero doing thought,Overgrown should give him strength on Titan level beast and other esoteric effect of the beast.
 
So, the next build vote will likely be Magnum Opus plus True Spells, I guess.

Maybe some minor action, like clearing Tomb or binding Liches.
 
Nameless has focused almost exclusively on essence transfer/raw power in order to carry out the Overgrowth plan, so he can't resurrect people or bind shades right now. He has broad Death-based offense and defense plus near-100% efficient absorption of Cultivation bases, but he and the lich haven't practiced the other stuff yet.
 
Rihaku said:
Nameless has focused almost exclusively on essence transfer/raw power in order to carry out the Overgrowth plan, so he can't resurrect people or bind shades right now. He has broad Death-based offense and defense plus near-100% efficient absorption of Cultivation bases, but he and the lich haven't practiced the other stuff yet.
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Yeah,that work too.

When in doubt,choose more power.:)

I want to know how Liefang will kill us thought,I don't want to underestimated him but I don't see he scale faster than heroine or have more esoteric than her.
 
skaro said:
I want to know how Liefang will kill us thought,I don't want to underestimated him but I don't see he scale faster than heroine or have more esoteric than her.
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Two possibilities:
  1. Just destroy the Empire and watch us die, assuming we don't go investigate after this is done. (Which is what I proposed, so I'm happy with doing it.)
  2. Wake Zang Kong and have him do it, making the reasonable (if possibly false) assumption he's able to out-fight us. This will definitely cause problems, because Zang Kong would be pushed 3-4 years earlier than he should be, but we could probably still survive, given how absurdly over-leveled we are right now, given that we're apparently only a year from being stronger than our top estimates of Zang Kong's power.
Of course, if he tries to destroy the Empire and we're acting at all, that's an opportunity to proc All Paths, which would be really nice. Similarly, if he awakens Zang Kong after the Heroine awakens, then we'll be stronger than him, and can eat him for tasty tasty Stages. But he does have ways to threaten us if he wants.
 
skaro said:
Yeah,that work too.

When in doubt,choose more power.:)

I want to know how Liefang will kill us thought,I don't want to underestimated him but I don't see he scale faster than heroine or have more esoteric than her.
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Well it's been stated that he thinks that we're "just" a Titan and that he was able to use poison or some other underhanded method to leave Grandpa Yong on his deathbed so he's probably counting on being able to use similar methods to eliminate us if we start interfering with his plans since he obviously doesn't know that we know everything thanks to OOC knowledge.
 
Rihaku said:
You could always try resurrecting them! But it might depend on how hard you kill Kong... or even if you decide to do so at all! It's certainly not impossible to convince Suizhen to abandon her vendetta.
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OR Suizen could use her Sky Splitting Blade to cut the universe and its people out of Zang Kong, and then kill him. She's uniquely qualified for such a surgical operation!
 
Ultramandalore said:
Well it's been stated that he thinks that we're "just" a Titan and that he was able to use poison or some other underhanded method to leave Grandpa Yong on his deathbed so he's probably counting on being able to use similar methods to eliminate us if we start interfering with his plans since he obviously doesn't know that we know everything thanks to OOC knowledge.
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Don't underestimated Yong Liefang is Rihaku word thought,I think he has some stack deck that can help him grown unlimited but I don't think that is better than heroine.

So I try to figure something out,Maybe Rihaku will show us power of friendship and cultivator working together made him grow faster and more dangerous than Heroine?

UDwarf said:
Two possibilities:
  1. Just destroy the Empire and watch us die, assuming we don't go investigate after this is done. (Which is what I proposed, so I'm happy with doing it.)
  2. Wake Zang Kong and have him do it, making the reasonable (if possibly false) assumption he's able to out-fight us. This will definitely cause problems, because Zang Kong would be pushed 3-4 years earlier than he should be, but we could probably still survive, given how absurdly over-leveled we are right now, given that we're apparently only a year from being stronger than our top estimates of Zang Kong's power.
Of course, if he tries to destroy the Empire and we're acting at all, that's an opportunity to proc All Paths, which would be really nice. Similarly, if he awakens Zang Kong after the Heroine awakens, then we'll be stronger than him, and can eat him for tasty tasty Stages. But he does have ways to threaten us if he wants.
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Good point,I guess Kong Zang is our greatest threat on mortal realm for now.

I want to do something dickish like use Scepter to drain everyone in Vane territory to their base stage thought.:p

If we want to investigate then go straight to Imperial capital and drain the Emperor and his concubine to base cultivation stage is my prefer choice.

The Emperor is probably Titan Type 2 that should give a better essence than overgrown beast and we drain sect Titan when we are at it.

More power is pretty convenience ,At Titan level we need to respected custom and has legitimated cause to kill people and take their stuff.

At our current power level then we can do whatever we want on Imperial center and Emperor can not do anything against us.

I want to know about Grand Pa condition thought but Imperial center is probably more urgent form IC perspective.

We just save Yong fort in this update and other problem is Imperial center and trade dispute between Ming and Vane.

Maybe we support Ming and conquered Vane territory?

That give legitimated cause for Heroine thought.

Imperial center is interesting choice all thing consider.

Another issue is how Liefang want to shatter the Empire when the emperor still alive?
 
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