If we're removing parts of our personality with magic, then I'm against it. In this case it's magical persuasion. For it to feel real it has to come from self realization, that we want to change for a motivation that we want to be something more. Not for something as trivial as more power.
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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Can Nameless intensify the Maya motivate himself?
Rihaku
The Internet
Nameless isn't willing to wait that long to fill his third Truespell slot.
It's likely, but not certain.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Elder Beast is Blue, Balance is White, the others are uncolored. The difference is slight, but present.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Hmm.
Honestly, Balance FB might be worthwhile to Truespell. We're due the next .5 bonus on thursday, which should be the next update at the current pace.
As nice as Elder Beast is for Cultivation--right now, our biggest enemy is Nameless' own shitty nature.
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Come to think of it.
Wouldn't it be easier to just shift Spoiled into something less debilitating and useless? Aurelia's got a point in that outright ripping it out might not be in our best interests, but evolving it into something that's actually productive might be an easier path, and one more True to ourselves.
The real trick would be marrying the satisfaction impulse with something productive, instead of simply voraciously consuming resources. Probably easier with True Form of Balance, since we'll effectively be optimizing our biochemistry in the process.
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My immediate reactions: I like "I'll Face Myself"— the whole point of Changing was to lose Spoiled, so passing it up seems a bit silly — and one of Truth and Essence research, because actually getting Incarnation or the opportunity to EFB (later, having dropped Extirpation) an Essence Grand is immensely valuable. On the other hand, I could doubtless be swayed on that second one (mastering the Scepter, for instance, is valid for previously discussed reasons). I don't think I'll change the first, though — that's why (I) we voted to Change, let's stick to it. Now, to bed.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Just the same, Aurelia's got a point that ripping Spoiled out entirely might be a bad idea--she might not be wrong, Vengeful is mostly tempered by the fact that Nameless is honestly a lazy asshole, so he doesn't actively punish every slight to him. Remove that, and it'd probably have Bad Effects.
Tempering Spoiled into something constructive might be the way to go in that light, which she could definitely help us with.
We haven't turned our fangs on the Heroine yet, we've still got it.
greatoz
Debonair Djinni
- Location
- The Other Place
Pretty sure it's because Elder Beast is Heterodox—it seems to be that color.
Ultramandalore
Errant Quester
- Location
- just south of Parts Unknown
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
we need Prodigious Might + Palimpsest - Form of Balance for the CQC utility more than anything and as the last vote shows, overcoming at least one of our heroic passions and Truth research are our biggest needs right now. Not only that but these choices benefit from being assisted by our high-loyalty lieutenants.
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
we need Prodigious Might + Palimpsest - Form of Balance for the CQC utility more than anything and as the last vote shows, overcoming at least one of our heroic passions and Truth research are our biggest needs right now. Not only that but these choices benefit from being assisted by our high-loyalty lieutenants.
SirLagginton
Shadow Cabal Caerbannog Bun-Bun
- Location
- Arrrghhh
[X] Strategic Complexion
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Prodigious Might
- Location
- Australia
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Open the Way
Tough Choices, but i feel at this point it is the best combo.
Form of Balance should have synergy with both Pursuit of Truth and I'll Face Myself.
The other thing I am very tempted to take is Strategic Complexion - it might not be a step towards power, but given our entire purpose is to keep the Empire stable, catching things before they get worse could save a lot of time in the future.
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Open the Way
Tough Choices, but i feel at this point it is the best combo.
Form of Balance should have synergy with both Pursuit of Truth and I'll Face Myself.
The other thing I am very tempted to take is Strategic Complexion - it might not be a step towards power, but given our entire purpose is to keep the Empire stable, catching things before they get worse could save a lot of time in the future.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
More importantly.
@Rihaku
Is my thoughts about tempering Spoiled into something actually largely productive something barking up the right tree? Or is Spoiled just objectively horrible and can never be turned in any way to something that isn't a chain around our ankle?
Like, hell, if we could use BP to overcome Spoiled and turn it into a new Heroic Passion that's largely a Good Thing, that would arguably be worth it.
@Rihaku
Is my thoughts about tempering Spoiled into something actually largely productive something barking up the right tree? Or is Spoiled just objectively horrible and can never be turned in any way to something that isn't a chain around our ankle?
Like, hell, if we could use BP to overcome Spoiled and turn it into a new Heroic Passion that's largely a Good Thing, that would arguably be worth it.
Only if you ignore the fact that Rihaku literally told us that Spoiled only has disadvantages.
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
- Pronouns
- She/They
Tentative vote. There's no reason why nameless can't continue to enjoy life without being Spoiled and it's cost us and the people around us too much to be worthwhile. This will almost certainly cost us the veil of maya, but necromancer + true open the way is so much better at cultivation boosting that I don't care. Getting our hands on True Incarnation is worth the opportunity cost of [ ] Strategic Complexion.
Open the way was good enough to base the sage's progression on, and at minimum we can eat high essence monsters for inefficient cultivation. Amplification's potential to boost other stages is extremely interesting for the lore alone, and we can't go wrong with a general cultivation speed buff. I'm not willing to give up FB palimpsest so easily
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Open the Way
[X] Amplification
Open the way was good enough to base the sage's progression on, and at minimum we can eat high essence monsters for inefficient cultivation. Amplification's potential to boost other stages is extremely interesting for the lore alone, and we can't go wrong with a general cultivation speed buff. I'm not willing to give up FB palimpsest so easily
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Open the Way
[X] Amplification
Well yeah, I just hope that starting research now means we drop Extirpation, making it a whole lot faster to get an actual Essence Grand when we want one later (and have the BP).
Fair point, but given that we just managed to get Nameless motivated to change I'd really like to not pass up the opportunity. I can see a write in which has us trying to direct it into something specific, but I really would rather not completely pass up the chance, because as I've mentioned, this seems like a relatively cheap opportunity. (I'll look over opportunity costs tomorrow, but I doubt we're doing to get an option to drop Spoiled cheaper any time soon, and given the Veil intensifying it I really want to get rid of it.)
Worth noting: I expect going Strategic Complexion will be at least somewhat less urgent if we plan to go eat the Overgrowth, because we'll almost certainly come across Grandpa while doing that.
Also, depending on BP maybe we can save up for an FB Palimpsest by next update? I don't know how much we have right now, so I can't say, but we do have the BP drip income. That would be nice if we could, but I really want to get Palimpsest's multiplier before the time skip.
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- Location
- Australia
I like the idea myself, and if it was a choice I would probably take it. The question is what?
Hedonistic?
Really, what i wonder is if we make progression towards reducing spoiled either way, and that option is just making it much more likely?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Never said it didn't. It's horrible. But she's right in that making a spoiled and lazy brat into someone actually energetic and committed might--in fact--not be the best idea, especially when he has a Solar level of Heroic Vengeance streak underlying it.
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Open the Way
I might swap Truth for Diligent and OtW for Amplification.
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
[X] Open the Way
I might swap Truth for Diligent and OtW for Amplification.